You're sort of right here.

You need friends to succeed in low / null sec
In order to communicate with the other humans in your community, talking is important. it gives you an identity you can't have if you only type (bots type / humans talk).
Everyone is important in these communities in low and null sec
Don't have a voice? How are you going to look out for your friends when they are in trouble and need you?
If you think typing is good enough, you have issues.

The being a renter issue is becuase there is no tax on blue lists

But this is an mmo. Playing solo means you're really only looking in from outside.

This is not a game that rewards flying solo, so don't try to play it like that.

This is not a game for people who don't want to work together.

Facts are, hi sec is an echo chamber where people who have never been to, or have had limited experience in, low/null talk about how dangerous low and null is. And because these ideas are never balanced with realistic feedback, this fear of the unknown festers and evolves into an insurmountable obstacle.

The trap is thinking that with just a slightly better ship or just a few more skillpoints that this obstacle will go away, but the massive amount of FUD spread by hi seccers creates a moving goalpost. No matter how far you advance, you can always find a further goal.

And then, because the hi seccers are moving their goalpost, they demand CCP put a hard limit on the risk for them. They demand changes that are designed to remove any sort of risk of moving to lo or null because, in their minds, they believe that even attempting to go to those places currently is a death sentence. This is where the more bizarre ideas for small holdings and making solo more viable come from.

Many of the denizens of the tar pit will blame others for their own failings. They will blame others for finding teams and working together. They will say that there's too much politics and that null sec attracts too many narcissists. They will claim that CCP has intentionally designed the game to feed the lo/null "1%" with 99% cannon fodder. They will even say that CCP should remove the benefits of flying with a team to make it easier for them.

This only transfers their own insecurities about lo sec onto others.

Forget Hi-Sec.
Low-sec should be fought over by null-sec. Some sort of Governorship over low-sec by null-sec to make it easier for hi-sec miners to mine in low-sec or live in low-sec as a trade route from null-sec to Hi-sec. If you don't like that, then resist it.

Forget Hi-Sec.
Low-sec should be fought over by null-sec. Some sort of Governorship over low-sec by null-sec to make it easier for hi-sec miners to mine in low-sec or live in low-sec as a trade route from null-sec to Hi-sec. If you don't like that, then resist it.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where CCP released statistics on player distribution in Eve.

All I've seen is character distribution. And given the average SP of high sec players, I'd put a fair bit of money on the vast majority of high sec being alts.

And those in high sec that aren't alts, given that they average at <5m SP who the hell cares about them anyway? What is a more valued customer, a 6 month or older player or one that joins for a few months and then quits? What player type would you cater to if you were running a business?

All I've seen is character distribution. And given the average conversations of high sec players, I'd put a fair bit of money on the majority of high sec being new players.

Yeah who needs new customers as a business. Throw all the money on the bittervets and hose all the newbies because lord knows newbies NEVER EVER stick around!!! That's a sure fire plan to keep the game alive...

What's funny is you're not even intelligent enough to realize how the logical fallacy you're pushing relates to you.

The people keeping me from going/staying in low/null are the elite PVP master douches IN low and null.

See... this is a GAME to me. Not a lifestyle, not a third job.

umad?

And for what its worth, I'm usually pretty newbie friendly. However dumbing down low sec and pushing away older players is pretty ********. Player retention is good in Eve outside of high sec, so if your solution to get more players outside of high sec is to make low sec more like high sec it is self defeating.

Ignorance is indeed bliss. Some day if you grow up a little intellectually you'll bad mad at yourself for ever being this stupid.



For the mod that will inevitably look at this thread I would like you to look up the definition of stupid before modifying this post.

Stupid :

Lacking intelligence or common sense


This fellow lacks common sense so badly that they cannot even realize that they were a newbie themselves and that they stuck around which completely invalidates their original argument. Then this fellow said that businesses should focus only on their current customers and not on expanding their customer base which is as far away from common sense in the business community as you can get.

Have you finished editing and rewriting your post yet? Jesus, its an internet forum, we don't care about what you have to say enough that you need to spend 20 minutes writing it.

And I was a newbie before level fours existed, and when it was considerably more difficult to make ISK. The fact that some players stick around also has no impact on average player retention. Lrn2statistics I guess.

I also barely log into the game, yet keep three accounts going. What's your point? I have a job and a gf, unfortunately I cannot dedicate all my time to Eve.

Congrats you've now convinced me that you're just a trollolol because there's absolutely no way someone could be this incoherent with their positions in one thread without trying to be that way.

In 7 years of a -do what I like- playing style always changing and moving, I have never felt more cozy and risk free isk making than when I was in a large sov alliance in nullsec.

Surrounded by sov with alliance chat, intel and other channels all keeping me updated on everything going on within 10+ jumps of my cosy little isk machine system.

hi sec is an echo chamber where people who have never been to, or have had limited experience in, low/null talk about how dangerous low and null is.[...]

Isn't low sec that boring empty space where all the scum hangs out to talk about how idiotic and safe high sec is etc etc.

...And then, because the hi seccers are moving their goalpost, they demand CCP put a hard limit on the risk for them....

Get a buddy, in fact get as many buddies as you can.

Knowledge is Power...

Don't Commit All At Once....

Don't Demand Changes to Ecosystems You Don't Understand...

In short: The idea of a tar pit only exist in your head because your personal experience has been better than the "noob" you try to educate. Onus in on CCP to provide the framework with which a newcomer can be encouraged to take the leap, it should not all be on the hapless to make sense of this convoluted world of ours.

The last time I logged into Eve was a few weeks ago, what does how much we play have to do with whether we live in low, null or highsec?

I would have thought seeing Eve as a "game" would have made you more inclined to risk your imaginary ship, rather than cowering in high sec like a little girl?