And those in high sec that aren't alts, given that they average at <5m SP who the hell cares about them anyway? What is a more valued customer, a 6 month or older player or one that joins for a few months and then quits? What player type would you cater to if you were running a business?

all the money in Low and Null is monopolized by gigantic Alliances that make it impossible for the vast majority of people who don't like the blob warfare playstyle to justify sticking around - so they don't.

Facts are, hi sec is an echo chamber where people who have never been to, or have had limited experience in, low/null talk about how dangerous low and null is...

Facts?, from where did you get these so called "facts" ? Fox News?

I lived in 0.0 for a year, we had sov and our corp even mined a couple of tech moons way before Technetium was worth anything. We tried wormholes too. The "facts" in our case is, we didn't have fun. It became a job where we had to join mandatory pvp and mining ops, run logistics to keep towers running, etc.

Here is an actual "fact" for you: we got tired and bored of the 0.0 crap. We unanchored our towers and came back to empire where we can play when we want, how we want and have fun.

I think he's mostly talking about the posters from HS who tend to be most active on the forums, who tend to be woefully misinformed about the nature of Low/Null because they've never been there and take the stories brought back by people who didn't enjoy it* as uncolored gospel.

The may very well be half the problem, the other half being the NS players who refuse to accept players doing anything outside null, and constantly are trying to force players into null.

I don't want to get rid of hi sec.

I do want to keep my lo/null sec intact.

When I started, I was a HS miner. The Tar pit's a pretty valid analogy for a lot of newer players. I heard "I'll go when I have enough SP/ISK" often (and still hear it from old corpies who have far more SP than I do), and even said it. Finally I got put in touch with someone who helped bring me out to null, but even then the tar pit attitude of "I must have ISK at the ready" is tough to shake off.

With low skills levels null is hard. Even belt rats can pose an insurmountable challenge. For PvP, if that's all you want to do it's fine (but then how do you get the isk for your ships unless corp provides?). Otherwise training up a little and getting some ISK in the bank is a good idea before heading out. You're going to lose a lot of your crap getting the hang of things in low/null.

With low skills levels null is hard. Even belt rats can pose an insurmountable challenge. For PvP, if that's all you want to do it's fine (but then how do you get the isk for your ships unless corp provides?). Otherwise training up a little and getting some ISK in the bank is a good idea before heading out. You're going to lose a lot of your crap getting the hang of things in low/null.

yeah newbies can't survive in nullsec, nobody in nullsec has less than 100 million skillpoints

go to high sec to grind since it's got the fastest personal income.

Don't be a dumbass. Nobody said 100,000,000 sp. Most corps have a minimum SP requirement. Anyone under that usually needs babysitting 23/7.

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Exploration , yes only thing worth doing in low sec , it is what takes me out to low sec, but sometimes unfair for those people living on the wrong side of the timezone

FW what i ve heared of people it got very interesting and exciting , according to th people i spoke with , maybe thi is the way forward for lowsec

my opinion about null sec , npc nullsec is fine rest is for the jerks who think they own the game

Hi sec working as intended

ITT: Nullsec turds have the audacity to tell someone they're playing a sandbox game wrong.

ITT: Nullsec turds have the audacity to tell someone they're playing a sandbox game wrong.

ITT: Some idiot doesn't know what a sandbox is, and think it doesn't allow for discussion of game mechanics or balance.

I'm sorry, what's your point exactly? You think high sec, low sec and null sec are segregated systems with no impact upon one another?

How would you feel about us undoing the sanctum nerf, then? Hell, lets double low and null sec mission lp and isk rewards while we're at it.

I don't think much about it. I haven't given any indication what my opinion on the matter is. You're just looking for a fight. I merely said that it's incredible to me that any one person can have the balls to tell any other person, or group of people, that they aren't playing the game right.

Edit: Typo

Okay so what is the problem ?
High-sec is not a threat to low sec / null.
What do you want ?

They want their stunted little-kid egos validated.

They lack emotional development/maturity enough to know that there are ways to do this other than crassly bullying/dominating/controlling others into doing it their way, it's all "I-I-I-I-ME-ME-ME-MINE-MINE-MINE NOW-NOW-NOW-NOW!" all the time, or it's GTFO.

And this exacerbated by them refusing to acknowledge the true, full depth of meaning of the term "sandbox," even whilst often shouting it the loudest. (Such monumental hypocrisy, it's not even pitiful. What a bunch of deluded twats)

They want what they want...That's fine.

They just refuse to understand that not everyone wants the same things, nor yet uses the same means of getting them, and that they do not have the right to force what they want, how they want it on others, and that the sandbox allows others to avoid/combat this.

That's fine too:

Player-ships urp-splode more pretty than NPC ships, and if you do exploration in quiet-but-not-so-safe space, then "disappearing" completely is all too easy.

They really freaking hate that, by the way--So, as a true believer in "the most sandbox, for the greatest number" on general principle, I must say:

CCP BUFF CLAOKY NAOW!!!!111oneone!

In a sandbox game designed around the concept of fighting for limited resources, the ability to avoid interaction with other players and harvest infinite resources without interruption simply does not belong.

It really is that simple. No need to write half a page of tears about it mate.

I don't even see what your post has to do with what he posted and is that in the manifesto somewhere? I thought there were trading skills, exploration skills and builder skills, your just making crap up to keep arguing in circles for the sake of arguing.