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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist 1. In the past 3 weeks more than 4 alliances in 0.0 have *****ed about inactive people, so the chances of them logging in just to lagg Jita are slim.
2. Lagging a system for a few hours (assuming you get people to join in your blob fest) will not do much unless you plan to live there with 5000+ people in a permo node crash.
3. Its been done before and failed mainly because of the above reasons
4. Strategically thinking lagging out Jita wont do much tbh, at best CCP will fight back rather than caving in and ermm click the magic [kill lagg] buttom, you will probably at best have a stable node or a laggy one nothing else will happen
5. Lets assume you crammed in 15000+ players in Jita permanently, what do you expect CCP to actually do, this 'awareness' is based on the assumption CCP have a shortcut way into fixing lagg
6. CCP have stated they are more focused on 'other' stuff rather than lagg, I really doubt they are going to change their schedule just because of some incoming 3 hour event
7. Unless you are an elite controlling sheep you wont get the numbers you want anyway so I suggest either posting on your main (hoping its a mega famous nerd) or sleep with a meganerd
8. Theres two ways to skin a cat and more than one way to get CCP to focus on the lag issues
If you think the purpose here is to create lag in Jita, then you've clearly missed the point of JITAFEST entirely.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading There's never been an event like this, so you don't have any point of reference,...
Yes there was. Long, very long time ago. The results: server crashed and players got what they wanted (lag wasn't the problem back then, the problem was of a different kind). But that was a very different time, with different EULA and much less subscribed players (because of the low numbers every subscription back then was more important than today). |
Corska Zrai
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Reported for violating the TOS.
Quote: You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Quote: You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users.
Asshat level 5 much?
Reported for falsely reporting a TOS violation?
I have never, and will probably never, do any of the things I have stated. Just because I point out the possibility of an activity does not mean I encourage the activity. I merely understand that other people are not as considerate.
I sincerely hope that nothing majorly stupid happens, but I'm not going to bet on it.
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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker That was not speculation. That was my fantasy running wild.
Fair enough. But I think we can all agree that it's better to get an official ruling from CCP on this before we assume it's against any rule.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.18 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 18/07/2010 03:54:46
Originally by: Currin Trading
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker That was not speculation. That was my fantasy running wild.
Fair enough. But I think we can all agree that it's better to get an official ruling from CCP on this before we assume it's against any rule.
If you dont understand that intentionally lagging the server and attempting to crash the node without having CCP to explain the PLAIN ENGLISH of the TOS to you, your reading comprehension is literally < 7th grade.
The falsely reporting crack was amazing trolling, simply amazing. This is clearly a signature. |
Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones If you dont understand that intentionally lagging the server and attempting to crash the node without having CCP to explain the PLAIN ENGLISH of the TOS to you, your reading comprehension is literally < 7th grade.
Speaking of reading comprehension, you might want to read the OP again, since JITAFEST will neither lag the server nor crash any nodes.
But if you are concerned about people breaking the rules, I suggest you focus on the highsec residents. They're running bots 23/7 and I hear no complaint from you about that. Nullsec residents, on the other hand, play the game as intended. Just a friendly suggestion.
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Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading
Originally by: Musical Fist 1. In the past 3 weeks more than 4 alliances in 0.0 have *****ed about inactive people, so the chances of them logging in just to lagg Jita are slim.
2. Lagging a system for a few hours (assuming you get people to join in your blob fest) will not do much unless you plan to live there with 5000+ people in a permo node crash.
3. Its been done before and failed mainly because of the above reasons
4. Strategically thinking lagging out Jita wont do much tbh, at best CCP will fight back rather than caving in and ermm click the magic [kill lagg] buttom, you will probably at best have a stable node or a laggy one nothing else will happen
5. Lets assume you crammed in 15000+ players in Jita permanently, what do you expect CCP to actually do, this 'awareness' is based on the assumption CCP have a shortcut way into fixing lagg
6. CCP have stated they are more focused on 'other' stuff rather than lagg, I really doubt they are going to change their schedule just because of some incoming 3 hour event
7. Unless you are an elite controlling sheep you wont get the numbers you want anyway so I suggest either posting on your main (hoping its a mega famous nerd) or sleep with a meganerd
8. Theres two ways to skin a cat and more than one way to get CCP to focus on the lag issues
If you think the purpose here is to create lag in Jita, then you've clearly missed the point of JITAFEST entirely.
Thats like having 1500+ people orbitting an asteroid and saying it is nothing todo with lagging the system, I am well aware of what you said and what will happen
Ofc assuming you get the nmbers for this --
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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist Thats like having 1500+ people orbitting an asteroid and saying it is nothing todo with lagging the system, I am well aware of what you said and what will happen
Ofc assuming you get the nmbers for this
Actually Jita routinely runs up against the 1400 player cap without any problems. If you want to look at places where nodes might crash, check out nullsec sometime. If CCP wants to cancel they event they can, but I have a feeling they have more data about traffic limits in highsec than nervous people on the forums.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 18/07/2010 04:11:54
Quote: Speaking of reading comprehension, you might want to read the OP again, since JITAFEST will neither lag the server nor crash any nodes.
you directly state that reinforcing of the nodes may be required by CCP, they directly state this is against the rules.
Anyway troll on. You aren't fooling anyone. If you wanted to help the community you would get involved with the already sanctioned events. This is clearly a signature. |
Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones you directly state that reinforcing of the nodes may be required by CCP, they directly state this is against the rules.
Anyway troll on. You aren't fooling anyone. If you wanted to help the community you would get involved with the already sanctioned events.
You're literally wrong about everything.
If you ever read CAOD, you would know that CCP directly requests that if people plan a large fleet battle, they can request CCP reinforce the node. So much for "against the rules".
If you ever watched the Alliance Tournament, you would know that CCP created Jita-cam, Rens-cam and Amarr-cam specifically so players could all go into those systems and get on television (well, Eve television).
And if you ever took part in the Eve community, you would know that player-initiated events occur all the time--and any event not canceled by CCP is an "officially sanctioned event".
Perhaps you should broaden your horizons and experience the game as it was meant to be played? Up to you, though.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:43:00 -
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Like the idea, will join with all my alts!
As for you idiots talking about making lag... jita is hard capped at 1400 (can't crash it unless you are CCP or try hard) and the OP already said the point is like a rally saying FIX LAG... Not seeing what is so hard to understand...
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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:47:00 -
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You know what, let's all put our cards on the table, shall we? You think I'm disgusted by highsec carebears. Yes, I am disgusted by many of them. But it's not because they waste all their time on the worst aspects of the game. That's their choice. And it's not even because of their macros and bots. What disgusts me about them is their hypocrisy. They whine endlessly for CCP to change the rules in their favor, and then those very same people break the rules with their macros and bots.
You're worried about people breaking the rules in Jita? Take a look around on the average day. You'll see them mining happily away. They're all over highsec. When the nullsec crowd shows up for JITAFEST, they're assembling peaceably (or fighting war-decs violently). As far as I'm concerned one more JITAFEST participant from nullsec is one less highsec-hugging rule-breaker in Jita.
I tell you what. I'm going to invite you skeptics in this thread personally to go to Jita on August 1st at 20:00 Evetime and take a look at nullsec residents doing their thing in JITAFEST. See these people for yourself. You will see that these people are not criminals, or racists, or troublemakers of any kind. They're law-abiding citizens who have legitimate concerns about the direction Eve is headed. Who knows? Maybe you'll end up joining them. |
Jurona
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Posted - 2010.07.18 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading You know what, let's all put our cards on the table, shall we? You think I'm disgusted by highsec carebears. Yes, I am disgusted by many of them. But it's not because they waste all their time on the worst aspects of the game. That's their choice. And it's not even because of their macros and bots. What disgusts me about them is their hypocrisy. They whine endlessly for CCP to change the rules in their favor, and then those very same people break the rules with their macros and bots.
You're worried about people breaking the rules in Jita? Take a look around on the average day. You'll see them mining happily away. They're all over highsec. When the nullsec crowd shows up for JITAFEST, they're assembling peaceably (or fighting war-decs violently). As far as I'm concerned one more JITAFEST participant from nullsec is one less highsec-hugging rule-breaker in Jita.
I tell you what. I'm going to invite you skeptics in this thread personally to go to Jita on August 1st at 20:00 Evetime and take a look at nullsec residents doing their thing in JITAFEST. See these people for yourself. You will see that these people are not criminals, or racists, or troublemakers of any kind. They're law-abiding citizens who have legitimate concerns about the direction Eve is headed. Who knows? Maybe you'll end up joining them.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application
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Posted - 2010.07.18 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jurona
Originally by: Currin Trading You know what, let's all put our cards on the table, shall we? You think I'm disgusted by highsec carebears. Yes, I am disgusted by many of them. But it's not because they waste all their time on the worst aspects of the game. That's their choice. And it's not even because of their macros and bots. What disgusts me about them is their hypocrisy. They whine endlessly for CCP to change the rules in their favor, and then those very same people break the rules with their macros and bots.
You're worried about people breaking the rules in Jita? Take a look around on the average day. You'll see them mining happily away. They're all over highsec. When the nullsec crowd shows up for JITAFEST, they're assembling peaceably (or fighting war-decs violently). As far as I'm concerned one more JITAFEST participant from nullsec is one less highsec-hugging rule-breaker in Jita.
I tell you what. I'm going to invite you skeptics in this thread personally to go to Jita on August 1st at 20:00 Evetime and take a look at nullsec residents doing their thing in JITAFEST. See these people for yourself. You will see that these people are not criminals, or racists, or troublemakers of any kind. They're law-abiding citizens who have legitimate concerns about the direction Eve is headed. Who knows? Maybe you'll end up joining them.
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that. for the first paragraph i was sure he posted in the wrong thread.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.18 06:23:00 -
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Dear op please go read teh following because you are obviously a dumbass.
Original devblog in feb stating a dedicated team to finding lag and killing it.
Forum post offering a funny reward if we could get the real people to help test fixes.why? cause too many whiners wont actually put forth "effort" to help their game. evidently whining is better than helping. Finally
CCP statements stating what fixes they tried and what they are working on.
So before you spout crap like
Quote: As CSM has learned, there there will be no fix for lag in the near future and CCP considers the technical situation to be "in a better state than it has ever been". Petitions will not even be considered if they involve nullsec fleet battles. The outcome of all contests between the powers of Eve, no matter how many titans they field or how clever their plans, will be determined by lag and node crashes--and those determinations are final.
please do yourself a favor and do your research, and STFU
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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Obsidian please do yourself a favor and do your research, and STFU
Yes, we're all aware they have been looking into the issue for the last seven months. But unless you know something the rest of us don't, severe fleet lag is going to be around for awhile.
Perhaps if lag is not fixed by August you will consider attending JITAFEST? It wouldn't hurt to learn the facts.
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Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.18 09:41:00 -
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I have mix feelings on this.
While i understand many players frustrations about lag i don't think that trying to crash EVE will fix anything. EVE players voice must be heard by CCP but not like this.
_________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) _________________________
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Angie McFish
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading
Anyone up for a 1,000 ship conga line?
Could someone supply people with shuttles? Maybe an Orca pilot could bring a few and people could warp to him in their pods and grab one?
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:56:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Events & Gatherings.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Jade Kitana
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Kitana on 18/07/2010 10:56:39
I think the average age of those posting in these forums has gone down a bit.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Kitana Edited by: Jade Kitana on 18/07/2010 10:56:39
I think the average age of those posting in these forums has gone down a bit.
Im guessing its about the 2nd trimester now, its deffo somewhere in the in the fetal stage
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Obsidian
Forum post offering a funny reward if we could get the real people to help test fixes.why? cause too many whiners wont actually put forth "effort" to help their game. evidently whining is better than helping.
Maybe if they ran the tests at sensible times it would be better, 20:00 utc on a Thursday? ffs, fine for the students who don't have to get up for work on friday, but apart from that there's a huge amount of players that can't attend this kind of time. The last time I tried to attend one of the mass tests, it was a Saturday, similar times, and it never got off the ground, or if it did, it was way over time, yes I'm a sad ar$e who has a life outside of eve, I'm up for work at 05:00 uk time, so computers get switched off at 22:00, I needs my beauty sleep
I appreciate there is no one time that is suitable for everybody, but have a thought before slagging off people who can't attend :) +_+
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:57:00 -
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This is stupid. Lag is actually one of the few things that are being fixed and not among the numerous things which will be untouched for 18 months.
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:12:00 -
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you know, when you try this and find that it works perfectly because the server really IS "in a better state than it has ever been"... I'm going to laugh at you. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Currin Trading
Nullsec Community Organizers
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius I have mix feelings on this.
While i understand many players frustrations about lag i don't think that trying to crash EVE will fix anything. EVE players voice must be heard by CCP but not like this.
Aelius, I couldn't agree more. Trying to crash Eve definitely will not fix anything. Fortunately, JITAFEST will do no such thing. Indeed, it is deliberately being hosted in the place least likely to crash. As you can see, CCP has moved this thread into the Events & Gatherings forum rather than locking it, because it is an approved event. There's no need to worry about the nervous forum posters with CCP on our side!
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Svetdana
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Posted - 2010.07.19 02:18:00 -
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Perhaps CCP could embrace this idea as a challenge, beef up jita, and remove the cap. I am sure they will get more people than they ever could on the test server for load testing events =)
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.07.19 07:03:00 -
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Gawd damit guys its an EVE picnic just bring your blankets, vino, & your favorite food.
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NewGit
Caldari Rusty Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.19 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: NewGit on 19/07/2010 07:12:52
Originally by: Currin Trading
But if you are concerned about people breaking the rules, I suggest you focus on the highsec residents. They're running bots 23/7 and I hear no complaint from you about that. Nullsec residents, on the other hand, play the game as intended. Just a friendly suggestion.
I call Bull on that. I've seen plenty of macro ratters in null sec, and cloakers that sit afk 23/7 but know instantly when a target comes within range. I highly doubt they sit there with their eyes glued to the screen for days on end, with only an hour (or less) break each day.
It's not likely there are as many bots/macros in null as in hi sec, but then there aren't as many players there either.
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.07.19 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: NewGit
Originally by: Currin Trading
But if you are concerned about people breaking the rules, I suggest you focus on the highsec residents. They're running bots 23/7 and I hear no complaint from you about that. Nullsec residents, on the other hand, play the game as intended. Just a friendly suggestion.
I call Bull on that. I've seen plenty of macro ratters in null sec, and cloakers that sit afk 23/7 but know instantly when a target comes within range. I highly doubt they sit there with their eyes glued to the screen for days on end, with only a 1 hours (or less) break each day.
It's not likely there are as many bots/macros in null as in hi sec, but then there aren't as many players there either.
Yes we know and we've grown tired of reporting them in 0.0 as nothings ever done. Its just another examle of CCP not listenig to its customers
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Sol Mahon
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.19 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading You know what, let's all put our cards on the table, shall we? You think I'm disgusted by highsec carebears. Yes, I am disgusted by many of them. But it's not because they waste all their time on the worst aspects of the game. That's their choice. And it's not even because of their macros and bots. What disgusts me about them is their hypocrisy. They whine endlessly for CCP to change the rules in their favor, and then those very same people break the rules with their macros and bots.
Your generalizations are wrong, It's no more correct to say all high sec dwellers are botters and macro's playing the "worst aspects of the game", than it is to say all low sec dwellers are "criminals, or racists, or troublemakers"
I find your views on the divide of the EVE playerbase ironic, and rather shortsighted.
As far as the event goes though, considering all the effort CCP are making to raise awareness for mass tests on Singularity, they should support this event, and to impose restrictions, distribute bans, etc for having the playerbase do a mass test for them would be moronic, and only serve to disencourage people from participating in CCP organized mass tests in the future. |
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