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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:41:00 -
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I realize allot of people have much more time than I do. But I'm wondering if there might be better ways to find fights a bit faster.
I'm currently in amarr FW.
I often will only have about 45 minutes to play at a time. This means itÆs usually not worth waiting for fleet to form because by the time they find something I'm leaving. So I usually roam around in a t1 cruiser or frigate. I don't really mind if I get blobbed and will engage if I can at least seperate out something with a decent chance of getting a kill before the gang comes.
Well suffice it to say I typically will roam around for an hour and not find a fight. My last two times out I ended up roaming for about hour and finding nothing and ultimately just engaging a hac in my t1 cruiser and a destroyer in my rifter.
I knew these were not smart fights but at least I got a fight. IÆm starting to think pvp in eve is only for people with *allot* of time on their hands.
IÆm thinking of joining rvb again as that seemed the best way to get fights fast. I like it fine but am interested in other options too. Is rvb the only way to get fights quickly in eve?
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
ViXen V
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Posted - 2010.07.22 13:53:00 -
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I had a lot of success asking for 1v1's in hek.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.22 14:06:00 -
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At the risk of being accused of using this as an excuse to recruit. 45 minutes is a very short time to try and fit fights in even in RVB who's main focus is getting fast fights. Since we cut out most of the metagaming and cat and mouse played in most of EVE we do manage a far greater volume of fighting than most other PVP options (perhaps even all other) but it still takes time to find people who want to fight at the same time you do under the same conditions.
A lot of whether you could get any action in RVB in a 45 minute period depends on how active people are in your playtime. There are a lot of guys who like doing the 1v1 thing and if you are actively looking for fights you can probably squeeze a couple in most of the time assuming your play time has a lot of activity(the EU US overlap would probably be a good time for that)
The problem you are facing is that EVE combat is a lot more like real combat (obviously not exactly) in that most of what decides a battle (or even if one happens) takes place prior to the engagement. Also the actual cost of loss tends to make people more cautious than they'd be in something like a 1st person twitch game. As such people put a lot of time and effort in crafting the engagement to maximize their chance of success.
This means that a lot of time is spent on logistics to begin with (I sometimes refer to EVE as logistics online) then there is hunting and target selection. If you can only find gangs you then play cat and mouse to try and separate one from the pack for a quick kill before his buddies can double back.
Even in RVB there have been nights that I've only gotten a couple or even no fights in my 2-4 hour window that is my active time. And from listening to most of the Low sec and null vets it's even worse there.
Now I'm not saying you can't make it work but it's definitely going to be difficult to do any PVP in a 45 minute window particularly outside of RVB.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.22 15:08:00 -
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Thanks for the responses. When I was in rvb I used to spam for 1v1s and would get a few while I would also catch a few fights at gates. I got enough fights although sometimes the US time zone was slow. Also if one side had too few members I would switch over to it so I would get some fresh targets.
Occasionally I will get a good night and several fights but it seems more and more my time in eve is spent jumping from system to system usually for an hour and then logging off. (or, last 2 times, engaging against ships I shouldn't just so I can shoot a gun and docking my pod before logging off.)
Here are the plans I am kicking around: 1) fly a battlecruiser - seems there are lots of canes flying around. 2) join Caldari fw see if they are more active in the US tz. 3) rejoin rvb 4) Start asking for 1v1s in local (although itÆs that arranged feel that sort of lead me away from rvb after a while) 5) lowering my sec status so IÆm flashy red to everyone in low sec. (This obviously has other disadvantages û but IÆm guessing I would get allot more fights)
-Cearain
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.22 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 22/07/2010 20:21:00 I'd sudgest giving FW a try, I was in RvB for several months and have been in FW for about a month now. My reasons for leaving where about the same as yours, the fights eventually feel to aranged and you've learned most of what you can from that type of setting. Some of the best PVP sessions I've had have been in FW gangs that got set up fairly quickly, also some of the most boring nights in eve.
Say last night we went to defend a POS that had been reinforced, we'd learned the Caldari had requested the node to be reinforced so assumed they meant business. We got a very nice fleet together, lots of folks had been exited most of the day about it no matter how it would turn out in the end. They didn't show up, from every intel we had there was no sign they ever tried to even form a fleet, we saved the POS and got it stronted again but it was one of the most boring PVP nights I've had in eve (as in no pvp at all)
Was out another night where there was a quickly formed gang of 2 bs, few bc's and rest below, we quickly got in a fight with some bs's, hostile carrier jumped in to support them, and we killed them all with minimal losses. Later that night was in a fight that we were outnumbered by a good ammount and still managed to pull out a win with minimal losses, it was one of the most amazing nights I've had in Eve.
Most important thing is being in a good corp, and some nights just suck, no way around it. You can't ever force a good fight, it's up to what the folks you want to fight decide to do as well. I'd say give it a shot (and join a corp, not just general militia) because there are alot of awsome fights going on.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.07.22 22:53:00 -
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Average time to get a somewhat decent fight in EVE is about 1 hour, but only if you know how to maximize your chances to find a fight.
If you want to get ganked, then you'll only need 5-10 minutes or so. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.23 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Average time to get a somewhat decent fight in EVE is about 1 hour, but only if you know how to maximize your chances to find a fight.
If you want to get ganked, then you'll only need 5-10 minutes or so.
Yes that would be my estimate too. Even the estimate on how long to get ganked is about right. I mean you have to make a few jumps to find someone who wonÆt think you are just bait. ItÆs funny that we both even considered how it would take just to find something to suicide attack.
Idicious Lightbane Yes I'm in fw. I it does seem a decent way to get fights I was just throwing this out there to see if anyone had any advice on how to get fights faster.
I agree with your comments it comes in streaks. Sometimes I will log in and find someone right away other times its dry. My last two outings just happened to be dry until I ended them with stupid losses due to lost patience.
As far as joining a good corp, IÆm happy with my corp now. They often arenÆt online to pvp when I am, but I am rarely online myself. I donÆt want to join a corp that is very active and IÆm the only one not there.
Ideally, I would want to be in a very large corp. That way even if everyone is often inactive there are always still a few people who want to form a gang when I happen to be online.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 23/07/2010 05:55:21
This is kinda a sore subject with my main.. His corp lives in the ass end of nowhere and now that I have limited play time it's almost a waste of time to even log him on anymore.
I've kept this toon in FW because it's always nice to have access to fast PVP when you only have a hour or so to play. Lately though the Amarr/Minmatar FW space has been really sparce as far as decent fights go in the late US TZ when it comes to WT's anyway. I still find some action pirating.
The blobbers always find something to gank but I've found very few actual fights lately.
In the last month or so I'd say easily 80% of my kills were neutrals that I went GCC on or they went GCC on me. Aside from a few Blob kills I *****d on because people were spamming Militia chat with "big fight" on such and such gate where I happened to be close.
As far as RvB, I honestly think you will get bored with it unless you are big just station fighting. I tossed this toon in RvB when it first started up and IMO the area is far too small. Soon as you had a fight going it was too easy for support from one side or another to get there which means you either had to gank them or they ganked you.
Not to mention if you like "hunting" you will be disappointed as it's pretty much 3 systems and every fight is on one of the 3 gates or 2 stations.
I'm hoping the Amarr/Minmtar fight will liven up with something more than docking queen sometime soon, because I'm also a bit disappointed in the lack of action lately for anything away from Auga & Huola..
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Reima Antero
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:35:00 -
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Come to Rorsins and Thelan, its great.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.07.23 16:06:00 -
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If you check the killboards you can quickly find systems in lo-sec with active pvp'ers, just show up, most likely they will be camping the gate waiting for you.
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DanceGabbyDance
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Posted - 2010.07.23 18:33:00 -
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The test server ffa rooms rooms are pretty fun. Instant action with 0 risk.
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Cifese
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Posted - 2010.07.23 20:56:00 -
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Summer slows down EVE anyway. All TZ affected by the sunlight...
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:42:00 -
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In Eve, pvp finds you -----------------------------
>>where the frack is my ship?<< |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.07.25 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Average time to get a somewhat decent fight in EVE is about 1 hour, but only if you know how to maximize your chances to find a fight.
If you want to get ganked, then you'll only need 5-10 minutes or so.
What he said if you want to just pew pew( and often get popped) set your destination for the nearest 0.0 pipe and start flying. If you want a fight you have a chance in then you will need to be more active in target selection. AKA: hunting. Personally i like hunting my targets more than just running them into gangs to get them popped.
If you want to increase your chances at getting decent fights you have a few more options:
1) join a merc corp/alliance. 2) joining a corp or alliance that does high sec wars often. using a little intel you can find targets usually if the CEO is any good at picking corps to wardec. 3) joining a 0.0 alliance. You will get opportunities to go on roams as well as to defend territory. Picking an alliance that boarders empire will also give you the oppoturnity to gate camp with others usually fairly active gates into 0.0 This is really the best option for pvp IMO. Their is plenty of pew pew in 0.0.
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:41:00 -
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Hotspots, use them. Low sec or 0.0 entry points are very good for a fast fight, though it can get blobby. Amamake, Old Man Star and the busier 0.0 entry points are really good for getting a fight in an interceptor.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:08:00 -
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Cearain (o/ btw, you got our tackle and got away a while back. props) As you're in Amarr/Minnie FW, I would think the easiest thing by far would be to just sit off or just on grid near to any one of the active FW gates (Kourm/Auga, Auga/Dal, Auga/Amamake, Kourm/Huola, Kourm/Kam) for a short while. Or just go sit off Auga 3rd. You'll soon get a fight I think.
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Godsdood
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:32:00 -
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I know exactly what you mean mate, I play in a dead timezone (4hrs before DT), try to find a fight at that time! In 0.0 you can sometimes camp and roam for hours and kill fluff, sometimes nothing.
With a recent addition to the family I don't have much time to play, so roaming around empty space for that one frigate kill, is just not worth it. I thought about joining RvB, but once again it all depends on how many aussies those corps have.
Can anyone from RvB confirm that there are people in both corps in the Oceanic timezone?
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Aerion Va'rr
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Godsdood I know exactly what you mean mate, I play in a dead timezone (4hrs before DT), try to find a fight at that time! In 0.0 you can sometimes camp and roam for hours and kill fluff, sometimes nothing.
With a recent addition to the family I don't have much time to play, so roaming around empty space for that one frigate kill, is just not worth it. I thought about joining RvB, but once again it all depends on how many aussies those corps have.
Can anyone from RvB confirm that there are people in both corps in the Oceanic timezone?
RvB is quite busy on all Timezones.. up to Downtime, and immediately following
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:50:00 -
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Come by Heydieles and ask for a 1v1.
Most of us are happy to comply and will probably fight each other for a chance to fight you :)
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logeoff now
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Posted - 2010.07.27 18:23:00 -
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eve is pve game imo :) that epic pvp side of E veryone vs. E verone is almost lie...
what you see in tailers - no, not going to happen, seriously :D
to find some non nod crashing pvp, might take days if not more..
to find some pvp thats utterly boring and not worthwhile (like lowsec pirating) takes less time ofc
to find some serious pvp like 1v1, 2v2... 5v5.. or 4v7... basically whatever small gang pvp - once in a week, maybe... all other times it ends with one side retreating and logging...
I undestand that tho... no one wants to lose 300+mil isk ships...
now many people go "dont pvp in what u cant afford to lose" well.. the short story is that if you go out with an a thorax then you aint coing back home - because its **** , plain and simple - you need to be pimped out in eve to be competitive or dont undock at all.
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Alotta F'china
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:52:00 -
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You might not make it back with that cheap thorax solo, but if you get a good corp that will go out with 10 thoraxes you will have a lot more fun not making it back. And all 10 of you wont cost 100M isk for the cheapfleet. Kill a single battleship and destroy more isk than your entire fleet. Select a corp wisely.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: DanceGabbyDance The test server ffa rooms rooms are pretty fun. Instant action with 0 risk.
By instant action you mean the 10-man gangs in an FFA, right? I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2010.08.05 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain PvP in eve - how long is finding it supposed to take?
About as long as it takes to train a covops pilot on a second account. Do it, it's the best solo pvp investment you will ever make.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:07:00 -
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Easiest way I have found to get quick pvp is baiting mission runners in high sec or site on a high traffic 0.0 pipe in sabre preferably with scout(s).
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Rasta Rocketman
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain I realize allot of people have much more time than I do. But I'm wondering if there might be better ways to find fights a bit faster.
I'm currently in amarr FW.
I often will only have about 45 minutes to play at a time. This means itÆs usually not worth waiting for fleet to form because by the time they find something I'm leaving. So I usually roam around in a t1 cruiser or frigate. I don't really mind if I get blobbed and will engage if I can at least seperate out something with a decent chance of getting a kill before the gang comes.
Well suffice it to say I typically will roam around for an hour and not find a fight. My last two times out I ended up roaming for about hour and finding nothing and ultimately just engaging a hac in my t1 cruiser and a destroyer in my rifter.
I knew these were not smart fights but at least I got a fight. IÆm starting to think pvp in eve is only for people with *allot* of time on their hands.
IÆm thinking of joining rvb again as that seemed the best way to get fights fast. I like it fine but am interested in other options too. Is rvb the only way to get fights quickly in eve?
45 minutes normally is not enough to get a fight in eve, just my experience. 1v1's will probably not be honored, so expect to get ganked from time to time if you try it. If you fly in a blob, it takes a while to form up and most people will run if numbers are even so you spend more time looking.
The only real way to find 'guaranteed' fights is to attack alliances sovereign space, almost guaranteed to get a fight but then the fleets are huge and it takes multiple hours to form up and fight and fights revolve around reinforce timers.
I've never heard of rvb, but if that means reasonable pvp without wasting hours, that would be pretty cool.
tl;dr 45 minute pvp won't happen regularly _______________________________________________
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.06 07:56:00 -
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Haul enough ships to some 0.0ish area where there are clonebays. Then **** EVERYONE OFF on intel. When everyone becomes red, then just undock and pewpew!
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.08.06 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ratchman on 06/08/2010 09:47:05 In FW, it does depend on what you want. If you are looking for solo combat, I think your probably most likely to get it if you join the Caldari militia, as there are a lot of Gallente that roam around alone, or in small groups, whereas there are very few Caldari that do the same. It's either a big fleet or nothing.
It does appear to be the same on the Minmatar / Amarr side of the conflict as well, with one side preferring large fleets and the other fielding small fleets and flying solo.
This does tend to be a recurring theme with FW (and probably the same with PvP in general). If you do not have the numbers for a fleet, you have to hunt in smaller packs, and those blobs become a lumbering obstacle to avoid. The trouble is that few people seem to want to scale down in order to guarantee a fight. I guess the risk-adverse nature of people would rather have a guaranteed gank rather every hour than getting more at a higher chance of losing their own. If the cost is too much to risk losing it, then don't fly it.
Solo PvP, no matter where you are, is very difficult to get, as few people honour a duel.
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Man Barthelme
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:03:00 -
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Hevrice
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.08.16 22:59:00 -
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Thanks for all the responses.
One more question. Lets say you go into a system and you see allot of people in local. Where are the most likely places to find someone looking for a fight? I usually go in check the fw plexes especially if they give some sort of restriction and also check the top belt.
I used to think the best place to find pvp was the top belt or "glory belt". But I have heard some people are checking planets. What's best to check?
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Picadilly
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Posted - 2010.08.17 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain ... the top belt or "glory belt"...
I think originally the top belt in Amamake was called "glory belt".
And then probably some people thought "glory belt" was a synonym for "top belt".
Not sure just guessing.
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