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Jesslyn Daggererux
Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:19:00 -
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i was doing a mission in umokka in my drake tonight and i got scanned out 3 times in ONE hour! wtf? they came in to steal my salvage and loot, but whatever i just let it go. my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree.
 Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Zeredek
Gallente
Vanguard Venture
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:21:00 -
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No.
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Marconus Orion
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:22:00 -
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If someone is in your mission that you don't like being there, simply warp out. They have to stay and die to rats or leave. If they come back, warp out again. Only thing you can do really.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:27:00 -
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but that is a detriment to me, and if they arent a bot or asleep they wont die.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente.
This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
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Durararagi
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:35:00 -
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I feel sad that the ninja seems to tank my mission better than I could 
That said, missions are more fun when there is a tengu, two probes and a begging destroyer around, as well as smack in local. *ah motsu*
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Zeredek
Gallente
Vanguard Venture
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
but that is a detriment to me, and if they arent a bot or asleep they wont die.
But it is beneficial to the people looting you, thus they will keep doing it.
That's EVE, enjoy your stay. 
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:39:00 -
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Dude... at least use an alt to troll on the forums.
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.07.23 04:55:00 -
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Salvage doesn't actually belong to you but if people are stealing your loot you always have the option to shoot them.
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:10:00 -
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Rumor has it that OP shares good amount of mission loot to anyone around umokka... Hmmmm... I cannot let this awesome isk making chance of the century slip away from my grip.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:14:00 -
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its not your salvage and you can kill ppls who took your loot.
but you knew that already.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:19:00 -
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Working as intended. Drakes with shield extenders have a sig radius the size of a small planet. If you don't want to get ninja salvaged, fly something a little less easier to probe out and/or move to a less crowded system. Or just fit some salvagers yourself and compete with the ninjas for the goodies.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:41:00 -
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People are still ninja looting after the loot nerf? Wow. I can't believe it. There's 40% less value now than there was before Tyrannis in mission loot. As a former ninja looter, I really feel bad for those guys. But, not nearly as much as I do for people who run missions ad nauseum.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:48:00 -
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I love how hisec missions runners ***** about "no risk" and then protest when mention of lvl 4s moving to losec comes around 
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
People are still ninja looting after the loot nerf? Wow. I can't believe it. There's 40% less value now than there was before Tyrannis in mission loot. As a former ninja looter, I really feel bad for those guys. But, not nearly as much as I do for people who run missions ad nauseum.
The opening scene from Menace to Society comes to mind.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.23 06:00:00 -
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The only reason they are scanning out your mission is not that they want your salvage. They only want to bait you into shooting them when they loot your wrecks and then they will return in PvP ships and ready to blow up your PvE fitted drake.
Regardless what is happening and as mad as you might be, never engage another player in a PvE ship. Have a PvP ship prepared at station, or call backup from your corp.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.07.23 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
i was doing a mission in umokka in my drake tonight and i got scanned out 3 times in ONE hour! wtf? they came in to steal my salvage and loot, but whatever i just let it go. my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree.
Apart from mining and mission running, ninja salvaging is the worst isk per hour occupation... So scores of isk might be overestimating a bit... Pretty much like saying you went to the moon when you actually just jumped over a fence.
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Sazkyen
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.23 06:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 23/07/2010 06:13:07
CCP wants PVP oriented people to have fun. They don't want PVE oriented ones to have fun.
Also, griefing is promoted above all else in this game. E.g., scams are allowed, station griefing is allowed, gate camping is allowed, mission scanning etc.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree.
If you think that it is easy and fast isk with no risk and everyone can do it, perhaps you need to consider a career change? Unless you don't want easy and fast isk with no risk?
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:21:00 -
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First of all: 'Free' salvage to build your PVP rigs is always nice, loot nerfed or not.
Secondly: Quit calling gameplay as intended griefing .. it makes you look like a moron and sparks useless discussions about what is or isnt griefing.
Griefing is not allowed as per game rules .. try petitioning people stealing your salvage, and keep us informed 
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Jim Pooley
The Bobtheminer Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
People are still ninja looting after the loot nerf? Wow. I can't believe it. There's 40% less value now than there was before Tyrannis in mission loot. As a former ninja looter, I really feel bad for those guys. But, not nearly as much as I do for people who run missions ad nauseum.
Agree entirely. Although even BEFORE the nerf I never really considered it a real isk supply. I just did it for a giggle and to laugh at people complaining about it. I did try to bait people by taking loot but I was never lucky enough to get anyone to fall for it.
I certainly never made a lot of isk out of it that is for sure.
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sasabor
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:48:00 -
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If you really feel ninja salvagers are a problem try and find a agent in a less populated system,
the times i do mission i rather have a lower quiality agent ( example difference between a quality 12 or a quality 16 is in my opinion neglible) in a empty system than in the main missionhubs, still doesn't guarantee you will be safe thou
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 23/07/2010 07:51:29
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The only reason they are scanning out your mission is not that they want your salvage. They only want to bait you into shooting them when they loot your wrecks and then they will return in PvP ships and ready to blow up your PvE fitted drake.
Regardless what is happening and as mad as you might be, never engage another player in a PvE ship. Have a PvP ship prepared at station, or call backup from your corp.
Not really, some tend to have PvP ships in their hangar to protect themselves against greedy missioners, but that is not of any considerable help since it's way too easy for any farmer to shoot and kill ninjas and then dock for the rest of the night remaining unpunished.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them...
And yet you think they're the ones doing it wrong?
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CanI haveyourstuff
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff on 23/07/2010 07:57:21
Originally by: Cipher Jones
its not your salvage and you can kill ppls who took your loot.
but you knew that already.
What? It's not your salvage? GTFO... :D
ofcourse its my salvage when I kill that rat, its my loot too...
ofcourse I get concorded if I try to smartbomb 10 small frigs around me and OH SNAP theres one moron ninjasalvager cloaked just next to me \o/
If ur so bad at this game that you have to NINJASALVAGE for isk... dude... just delete the game and go to wow, there is alot of free gold everywhere!!!
Originally by: Felix Esperium
Salvage doesn't actually belong to you but if people are stealing your loot you always have the option to shoot them.
What? lol... u need some +5 logic implants
The real reason why they scan mission runners out is.. they hope u get concorded if you smartbomb em - they collect ur 3 bil cnr loot and win.
or any other way - you just click overview and shoot at rat (ops.. it wasnt rat) ..
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente
Independent Coalition
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
Edited by: Sazkyen on 23/07/2010 06:13:07
CCP wants PVP oriented people to have fun. They don't want PVE oriented ones to have fun.
Also, griefing is promoted above all else in this game. E.g., scams are allowed, station griefing is allowed, gate camping is allowed, mission scanning etc.
And none of those are a bad thing. Nobody said highsec was safe, or that PvP was completely optional in this game. Even in terms of scams, it's player vs player in that only the stupid ones fall for most of them.
Be smart about it. You either learn to avoid things like gate camps, scams, ninja looting/baiting, or you get mad and emoragequit over it.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: CanI haveyourstuff
What? It's not your salvage? GTFO... :D
ofcourse its my salvage when I kill that rat, its my loot too...
Game mechanics says it isnt ... you dont get flagged for salvaging wrecks you didnt create.
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ofcourse I get concorded if I try to smartbomb 10 small frigs around me and OH SNAP theres one moron ninjasalvager cloaked just next to me \o/
If ur so bad at this game that you have to NINJASALVAGE for isk... dude... just delete the game and go to wow, there is alot of free gold everywhere!!!
Ehr ... lol ... but serious, maybe you should haul your ass over there, as people cant bug you in your lil private instance there.
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What? lol... u need some +5 logic implants
You can only have 1 implant for any stat at a given time, and what he said is perfectly correct.
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CanI haveyourstuff
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff on 23/07/2010 08:12:11
I actually really dont care what game mechanic says.. if I shoot that rat then it belongs to me.
I mission in lowsec anyway and you are welcome to come and try salvage smth.
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Sma da'Marenhide
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:42:00 -
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Mission looting fix(top secret)
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:50:00 -
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Lol OP is a nub.
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Guilty Man
Minmatar
Guilty People
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:53:00 -
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Unscannable tengus out of control.
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