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Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:05:00 - [61] You know I'm not a heavy missioner but I do 1 or 2 L4s pretty much every night at least and I have NEVER ONCE had a ninja salvager/looter. Maybe you should pick less populated systems to mission in.
Captain Yifan Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:16:00 - [62] Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 13:17:53 Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 13:17:36 Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i was doing a mission in umokka Sir, you are doing it wrong. In short, in the universe of EvE, you do not have some sort of divine right to make maximum possible profit without competition at all times. What the salvage and loot? You have to beat someone else to it. EvE is a competitive game, mmmkay?
K'ven	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:19:00 - [63] ok, I'm only gonna say this once, because I side with the ninjas... fit an armor tank, some racial specific ECM for the rats your fighting, a web, and a scram. When ninja loots your wreck, start jamming the rats. ECM works on rats, and they will lock up targets randomly after they are jammed. Once enough rats have locked your ninja, you can scram and web him. But really, why not just fight the bastard? I'll never understand carebears.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux MRing is already a pittence of money, and could use all the help it can get. LMAO Sorry, you have to be a bit more subtle than this if you want people to take you seriously. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Captain Yifan Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:24:00 - [65] Originally by: K'ven But really, why not just fight the bastard? I'll never understand carebears. Do not shoot a ninja, bad things happen.If he is just salvaging your wreck, then shooting him will result in Concord shooting you. And unless your ship is built with some uber jove technology that is capable to taking on 100 Concord BS, you can forget about trying. If he is also looting your wreck, then of course you can engage him at your own risk. You better be able to swap into a PvP ship soon as engaging in PvP with a PvE fitted ship will result in certain death (no matter how much billions of faction/officer gears you've put on your shiny faction battleship).
Takseen	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:25:00 - [66] I like ninja salvagers, atleast the "new player trying to make some quick cash in a fun way" kind. I'd looks like its way more enjoyable than level 1/2 missioning or frigate/cruiser mining, and they need to be quite alert to not get popped by new spawns and the like. So the more the merrier I say, its not like loot/salvage is more than a fraction ot total mission income anyway.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux MRing is already a pittence of money, and could use all the help it can get. Originally by: Gladys Pank Lol OP is a nub. I'm afraid I concur with Gladys after that statement... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2010.07.23 13:57:00 - [68] using a huge sig drake in a system like Umokka? There are always lot of mission runners and therefore always probers around in the main systems. They won't be after you specifically, but you're one of the easier targets because of the sig radius. For a quieter life, move somewhere quieter.
Deirdre Threepwood	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:05:00 - [69] OP and all the other whiners...you are pathetic you get LOTSA isk sitting afk in your Ravens/Drakes...farming Bounties/LP/mission rewards and still you cry over some "ninja" salvagers Grow some balls and blow them up if it annoys you that much...just refit your ship jump back and enjoy the fun and/or let some corpies join in to shoot the evil ninja you pathetic lonesome isk grinders don't get EvE at all...defo not the game for you also i love seeing missioners blow up their own stuff.for some reason they think it ****es me off but ill just sit there and watch them blow it all up.amazing how people get excited over some pixels i feel sorry for you people now back to some probing
My Postman	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:20:00 - [70] The not so funny handle with ninjas: Start popping wrecks when ninja comes near. Don¦t convo. You must be very patient, more patient than ninja. Enjoy ninja smacking in local. A bit more funny: When mission makes possible, try getting full room aggro, warp out. Only do it when you are NOT scrambled, and be sure to be able to handle it if something might go wrong with your own gtfo. Some good loot/salvage on ninjas wreck sometimes. Enjoy smack in local. Very funny: Have an alt in a cloaked pvp fitted (high alpha) ship ready nearby (must be in same corp). Wait ninja stealing (comes flashy red to you) otherwise CONCORD will take care of YOUR fine pvp ship. One shot ninja. If alt¦s sec status allows, send ninja to clone station, hoping there were +4¦s in his head. Enjoy killmail. This is actually the only thing the Sin is existing. Hope this helps.

Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:25:00 - [71] All I can say to address the OP is... "This isn't Hello Kitty Online...welcome to eVe." ...don't think your the first to get Ninja'd, deal with it. Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe Opinions here may not reflect those of Blacklight.
Makar Kravchenko	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:25:00 - [72] I think its funny to shoot the wrecks right before they get to salvage it! :D
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:32:00 - [73] Try flying something other than a Drake. These days that just screams "I have no idea what's going on, but some guy told me Drakes are pro, so here i am". My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Anddeh McNab Matari Department of Gun Control	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Saelie 2) They provide good comedy in Local that makes running missions in major mission hubs (With one or two friends usually) less boring. 3) I don't usually salvage anyway so if they find me I'm not losing anything. I've simply abandoned all the wrecks in the mission when I've seen ninja-salvagers warp in before. This sometimes has the ironic result of **ing them off, feeding into #2. 4) Sometimes I'll manage to get them killed, resulting in delicious tears. These, pretty much. They provide some flavour in an otherwise bland mission running day. Originally by:** Saelie Cool stories. Cool story indeed bro. My own story is a tad less interesting. Some ninja salvager turned up in my Damsel in Distress mission, not too much of a problem as long as him doesnÆt intend to nick the loot of Zor (however bad it might be). Not feeling particularly malicious but seeing the opportunity for some fun anyway I remember the station with the Damsel in explodes dealing damage in a 40km AoE. Not enough to cause harm to a battleship but certainly enough to ruin the day of anyone in a frigate. Pop goes the station and pop goes this poor chapÆs Covert Ops, I believe it was. It made me smile.
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2010.07.23 15:03:00 - [75] Since more than one person in this thread has evidenced some confusion about the ownership of salvage from mission rats: Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.23 15:23:00 - [76] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i was doing a mission in umokka in my drake tonight and i got scanned out 3 times in ONE hour! wtf? they came in to steal my salvage and loot, but whatever i just let it go. my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree. I wonder how they spend their 20s of isk.
Jesslyn Daggererux Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application	Posted - 2010.07.23 15:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i was doing a mission in umokka in my drake tonight and i got scanned out 3 times in ONE hour! wtf? they came in to steal my salvage and loot, but whatever i just let it go. my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree. I wonder how they spend their 20s of isk. you obviously don't know what your talking about. I make much more off salvage in missions like AE4 than mission reward AND bonus, and faster than it takes to run the mission in my drake Originally by: CCP Fallout Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente. This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Cipher Jones its not your salvage and you can kill ppls who took your loot. but you knew that already. This. Obvious troll OP is obvious.
Jesslyn Daggererux Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:28:00 - [79] So obvious it's about to hit page 4 Originally by: CCP Fallout Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente. This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Captain Yifan Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 13:17:53 Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 13:17:36 Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i was doing a mission in umokka Sir, you are doing it wrong. In short, in the universe of EvE, you do not have some sort of divine right to make maximum possible profit without competition at all times. What the salvage and loot? You have to beat someone else to it. EvE is a competitive game, mmmkay? Yes, it is important to understand that EVE is primarily a PVP-focused world/game. DB \| Map

Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:32:00 - [81] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i was doing a mission in umokka in my drake tonight and i got scanned out 3 times in ONE hour! wtf? they came in to steal my salvage and loot, but whatever i just let it go. my complaint really is just the ease of which this is done. the barrier for entry is so low it may as well not exist. people are making scores of money with little sp, no risk, and no work because i do it all for them. this is so out of wack that i am convinced it needs to change. /sign if you agree. I wonder how they spend their 20s of isk. you obviously don't know what your talking about. I make much more off salvage in missions like AE4 than mission reward AND bonus, and faster than it takes to run the mission in my drake YOU were the one that said "scores of money". Look up the meaning of "scores" in this instance. And it's "you're".
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:54:00 - [82] Originally by: CanI haveyourstuff Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff on 23/07/2010 07:57:21 Originally by: Cipher Jones its not your salvage and you can kill ppls who took your loot. but you knew that already. What? It's not your salvage? GTFO... :D ofcourse its my salvage when I kill that rat, its my loot too... ofcourse I get concorded if I try to smartbomb 10 small frigs around me and OH SNAP theres one moron ninjasalvager cloaked just next to me \o/ If ur so bad at this game that you have to NINJASALVAGE for isk... dude... just delete the game and go to wow, there is alot of free gold everywhere!!! Originally by: Felix Esperium Salvage doesn't actually belong to you but if people are stealing your loot you always have the option to shoot them. What? lol... u need some +5 logic implants The real reason why they scan mission runners out is.. they hope u get concorded if you smartbomb em - they collect ur 3 bil cnr loot and win. or any other way - you just click overview and shoot at rat (ops.. it wasnt rat) .. 1. You are just making **** up, OP was in a Drake. 2. Yes, it's not your salvage, it is your loot. CCP confirms, everybody knows. 3. Enjoy your stay in the sandbox. QQing is allowed. This is clearly a signature.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux you obviously don't know what your talking about. I make much more off salvage in missions like AE4 than mission reward AND bonus, and faster than it takes to run the mission in my drake Then you're doing it wrong. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.23 16:57:00 - [84] I have my own solution to it really: If a looter comes around,i start blowing up the wrecks,and when said looter sees that i'm doing it repeatedly,the looter leaves. It's a simple and effective solution,and no,i don't give a crap about the loot myself,it's just the principle of the thing.
WhiteGhostBear Furs of New Eden	Posted - 2010.07.23 17:27:00 - [85] Hi Jess! 10/10, you succeeded.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.23 17:28:00 - [86] Originally by: WhiteGhostBear Hi Jess! 10/10, you succeeded. Nah. 5 more posts ù 35 to really make it countà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.23 17:59:00 - [87] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/07/2010 18:05:35 Originally by: digitalwanderer I have my own solution to it really: If a looter comes around,i start blowing up the wrecks,and when said looter sees that i'm doing it repeatedly,the looter leaves. It's a simple and effective solution,and no,i don't give a crap about the loot myself,it's just the principle of the thing. Nah, people always say that, but they still get their thrills from watching you destroy your loot, and will return to watch you do it again. If you really want to know what's always worked for me, as someone who's done more missions than anyone you're likely to meet, just wait until the ninja salvager comes close to the bunch you're tanking, and warp out. That makes them rage pretty hard. Some keep checking the pocket to see if i'm back yet for awhile after, and i just keep leaving and putting the NPCs on them again. That usually does it, but two people really, really, got mad, and made it their lifes purpose to keep checking the pocket every 5 minutes for hours. I just docked and went afk to do other things around the house, while they just kept checking, and checking, and checking. Never seen those two log in to the game ever again. That, my friends, is how you deal with ninja salvagers. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Captain Yifan Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.23 18:38:00 - [88] Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 18:38:02 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux you obviously don't know what your talking about. I make much more off salvage in missions like AE4 than mission reward AND bonus, and faster than it takes to run the mission in my drake Then you're doing it wrong. I second that. OP, you seemed to forgot about taking account of the bounty, which for AE4, is at least 10 million isk. Let me tell you one more interesting fact: Assume it takes you one hour to complete an AE4 which gives you 20million worth of bounty, reward and LP, and it takes 20 minutes for you to salvage the wrecks you left behind that gives you 5 millions isk worth of salvage and loot, you are actually losing money by actually bothered to salvage your mission. You're better of to skip the salvage and do another mission.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.23 18:44:00 - [89] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/07/2010 18:09:47 Originally by: digitalwanderer I have my own solution to it really: If a looter comes around,i start blowing up the wrecks,and when said looter sees that i'm doing it repeatedly,the looter leaves. It's a simple and effective solution,and no,i don't give a crap about the loot myself,it's just the principle of the thing. Nah, people always say that, but they still get their thrills from watching you destroy your loot, and will return to watch you do it again. If you really want to know what's always worked for me, as someone who's done more missions than anyone you're likely to meet, just wait until the ninja salvager comes close to the bunch you're tanking, and warp out. That makes them rage pretty hard. Some keep checking the pocket to see if i'm back yet for awhile after, and i just keep leaving and putting the NPCs on them again. That usually does it, but two different people really, really, got mad, and made it their lifes purpose to keep checking the pocket every 5 minutes for hours. I just docked and went afk to do other things around the house, while they just kept checking, and checking, and checking. That, my friends, is how you deal with ninja salvagers. I've had many ninjas who've met me before turn around and warp out when they see it's me again. The loot sucks anyways,and it doesn't take long to destroy a good portion of them,which i specifically target the battleship wrecks first....They basically assume it bugs me but it doesn't,since i never salvage anything anyhow,and move on to the next mission ASAP.
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.23 18:44:00 - [90] Edited by: Ressiv on 23/07/2010 18:45:03 Originally by: Captain Yifan Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/07/2010 18:38:02 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux you obviously don't know what your talking about. I make much more off salvage in missions like AE4 than mission reward AND bonus, and faster than it takes to run the mission in my drake Then you're doing it wrong. I second that. OP, you seemed to forgot about taking account of the bounty, which for AE4, is at least 10 million isk. Let me tell you one more interesting fact: Assume it takes you one hour to complete an AE4 which gives you 20million worth of bounty, reward and LP, and it takes 20 minutes for you to salvage the wrecks you left behind that gives you 5 millions isk worth of salvage and loot, you are actually losing money by actually bothered to salvage your mission. You're better of to skip the salvage and do another mission. This holds true when you sell your salvage like a monkey. If you put that stuff up with sell orders at .01 isk less then the lowest sell order, you'll be amazed at the amount of isk you get out of that worthless salvage Or, even better, invest in a few BPO's (or BPC's if you're still poor) and build some rigs off em... anyways, I turn salvage into 30 to 50 % of mission total .. so yeah, you guys are doing something wrong. Dont even start on my social skills. They are good. Edit: ... in game that is ... ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================



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