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Kazzzi
Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.24 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aralis Mucho metagaming has been used against us.
Dude, reality check
Years ago when you abused extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system, you lost any and all right to QQ about metagaming. |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA" set by Ushra'Khan when we got beat down. U'K claimed at that time (and continue to assert) that they never did and never will infiltrate us, but were happy to utilize vent info and tower passwords attained by other means. Likewise...we'll probably not pause in our efforts in Providence just because Hydra apparently pulled off a pretty decent infiltration.
CVA has knowingly benefited from their allies spies ever since the first time U'K held space in Provi years ago. Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.
Where do you draw the line in your double standard of 'metagaming'?
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!
It's Alowishus |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Wrong.
I'm glad many spies were caught, but when your allies passed you intel and said it came from Divine visions of Amarr baby Jesus, they meant spies.
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kazzzi
Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.
Oh gawd. This again? Really?
Sure, After all, it seems we're going to have to hear people whine about what they think happened at D-G until the server ends.
Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA
Whatever your rationale, awesome, no holds barred, we're looking forward to it. See you in space.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
All that said...well, the message has been clear from U'K's end for a little while now, Kazzzi. The irony is U'K didn't need to play "dirty" to beat us in Provi, and if certain standards had been honored, this whole situation may've been called out by Aralis per previous instances if we felt that standard was still mutual.
By playing "dirty", are you referring to where we offered you a temp NIP, and came to the forums by the dozens to give you our best wishes, some of us even offering support when we believed you may have had your alliance disbanded by a spy?
Regardless of it turning out to be hacking, we didn't know it at the time and assumed the worst. If we were such ****ks, why did we overwhelmingly give kind words of support during that bleak time?
I was on Ushra'Khan council during the recent 'age of metagaming' I hear about so much, and what you all accuse us of doesn't match anything I've seen on this end.
You initiated SOV war against an entire nullsec power block. You probably had spies from twenty different alliances in your fleets, and so did we in our fleets. Your allies have pulled tons of shady crap over the years, so stop blaming us for everything that anyone we know has done to you. Seriously, get over it.
U'K waited stoically for years to turn the tables, I'm sure you'll have every opportunity for your revenge too. |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
No. I'm referring to U'K's rather gleeful use of -A-'s real-time intel from vent compromise, the same use of POS passwords for bowling, and general mockery of CVA when we, at the time, proposed this was against certain gentlemen's rules U'K and CVA used to stick to (not unlike U'K's implications now that Aralis knowing of U'K's imminent demise is a similar breach of those rules.)
Dude, I couldn't ever run a ten man roaming gang without at least two of your blue's spies trying to join gang and vent. People you work with have attempted to pos bowl us in the past. You had the least e-honorable blues I've ever seen. We stopped bothering to let you know about them convo spamming to lag us, spamming our pilots with fleet invites, and being notorious for dishonoring 1v1s since it was clear long ago you didn't mind working with d-bags.
Do you think you guys are special? Get off your high horse. |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Conveniently enough for the purposes of this discussion, eh?
Originally by: Garreck We were well past the point with U'K where we felt obligated to report as we had in the past,
Double standard. Your diplos received a ton of complaints and you know it :p
Originally by: Garreck
The point remains Aralis had no obligation, by any standard, to tell U'K what he knew, and U'K blaming CVA for Hyrda's independent actions is cognitive dissonance at best and staggering hypocrisy at worst.
Maybe I'm being trolled?
Don't care about Aralis and what he knew and no you aren't being trolled, just saying your people have no business proclaiming their holier than thou attitude.
Originally by: Garreck
I'm really not concerned about who started what at this point; the conversation (particularly mis/disinformation about the tower spam in 9uy) is old and tired.
Your mis/disinformation of our complicity in what you think happened at D-G is old and tired already.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
D-G? When has that been thrown around by CVA? You're the one who keeps bringing it up as if it's relevant at all to this conversation, to YOUR pilot's betrayal, to HYDRA's schemes, and to U'K's demise.
D-G is where your pilots claim we did much of the naughty stuff they like to complain about. Like how we sat in our evil lair with our kitty and laser beam sharks and masterminded the pos bowling you've mentioned several times. |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
I can't be any more straight up than to say we had nothing to do with Hydra's plan and from where I sit Aralis had no obligation even by long-held CVA standards to tell U'K what was coming
This is fine, I don't care what Hydra did, we'll fix the mess. I don't care if Aralis knew all along. I don't care if you even try to take advantage of the situation. My only complaint through this entire ordeal is your alliance members attitude with their delusions of superior e-honor and stating we deserved what happened.
I understand your people needed scapegoats to explain the loss of their first epic fleet battles to all the disheartened nubs, but seriously, your people have gotten very childishly bitter, like a 10 year old who's sister has just broken his model airplane.
Originally by: Garreck
No, we just press forward, play our way, and stick to our rules 'cause that makes us feel warm and fuzzy.
Rock on |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 27/07/2010 23:25:46
Originally by: Garreck
I was unaware it had been brought up in this thread or any others regarding U'K's demise,
Originally by: Garreck [This was our understanding of our relationship until U'K pilots were bowling CVA POSes
post 339 and pretty much every time I talk to a cva member it gets brought up |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck I mention it as the reason Aralis was not obligated to tell Ushra'Khan of the tragedy heading their way.
That's fine, Aralis doesn't need to have any friends here. But if your blues warped your fleet into our POS, I really don't think that would justify me being happy with seeing your alliance stolen by a spy. We're not that petty. |
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