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Doomfist	Posted - 2010.07.25 16:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 25/07/2010 15:54:08 Good players learn from their mistakes, alter how they approach the same situations in the future. You don't have to read minds to do that. I've often asked a corp mate if I can test out my damage, or asked them to test my tank in the past. Why should this change because you cannot seemingly check your corp applicants? I heard there was a test server And do you feel the need to attack a corpmate while in a mission and hes tanking the room ? hmm
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.25 16:17:00 - [32] Edited by: Mag''s on 25/07/2010 16:18:01 You don't read well either it seems. I said I did this in the past, I now don't have to worry about it, as I'm -10 anyway and tend to know my fits better. That's the whole learning thing coming into play. Yes there is a test server and it's full of people like NightmareX, that's why I tend to avoid it. Edit: Oh and I don't run missions, no matter what room I'm in. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.07.25 16:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Doomfist I heard there was a test server And do you feel the need to attack a corpmate while in a mission and hes tanking the room ? hmm Test server is for testing game features, not for free pvp. As for attacking corpmates, I don't do that kind of thing but if I was in your corp, I could see why it would be tempting. Forming a corporation requires trust, yet rewards you with solid benefits. If you can't trust people in a corporation, stay in the npc corps. I for one like being able to web corp members freighters without getting Concorded. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.25 18:03:00 - [34] Being able to engage corp-mates is a nice feature. Because when somebody's an asshat, not only can you kick them, but you can pod their ass before you kick them.
Nalesh The Children Of Gallifrey Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.07.25 18:43:00 - [35] As soon as you trust someone, that trust will be abused, may not be right now, but at one point it will. The only rule of eve. --- Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet Does that mean i'm shooting my packets into your inviting tubes?
Jade Pisto Mammoth Erections	Posted - 2010.07.25 18:48:00 - [36] Its happens, people try to get fast isk or just want the lol's cuz they have little risk. When i was in a previous corp we were all mining and the new recruits came over and killed the orca. We just got a new one and went back to mining. Not much you can do, other than just be careful on who you let into the corp. Mammoth Lotto #1 Great Prizes!
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.25 19:37:00 - [37] Edited by: Ressiv on 25/07/2010 19:40:23 Originally by: Doomfist And do you feel the need to attack a corpmate while in a mission and hes tanking the room ? hmm Let's see .. yeah! I can think of a number of situations where I would want to be able to scramble / web / blow the living fck out of a corp mate. Pretend you do have a pair of balls and and you are a smart guy, okay ? (yeah I know ... I said pretend* you trolls!) Instead of whining here you would eat your spinache Popeye style, mkay? Lets pretend your dear corp mate decided to haul off with a a **ton of BPO's out of the corp hangar in your highsec POS your Orca with a few Hulks in it and everything else he could grab. Who would have known you dear 2nd in command diceded to take everyting. You have a good security devision in your corp, and you would love to send them after him, they are online and in the system next door. If only he wasnt in your Corp you could actualy stop him before it is to late and rescue at least whatever you loot out of it. Oh crap .. no I cant ... some loser decided tho whine and CCP actualy payed attention, and since the change you cant attack Corp mates in missions, and your director used that mechanic to be invunerable to your security devision and managed to escape. Do you see why changing the mechanic is not helping you, but working against you ? Okay, fine. No realize that we pretended something in the first line I wrote. Do it !! Grow up, take responsability for your own 'life' and situations you get in in-game and probably out of game as well aka HTFU!** ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Firnas Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.07.25 19:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Doomfist Originally by: Gladys Pank Doing a background check isn't the same as mind reading genius. Cry about game mechanics all you like CCP aren't going to do anything about it. Yes I agree mind reading isnt the same as a backround check so why have a system that so relies on mind reading seems counter productive to me As far as crying about game mechanics...well no I just think there is a better way Will CCP listen and agree and change ? I dont know but I do know this is a "discussion forums" and since this game has had many changes/patches means the game is everchanging and this is one of those things that should be changed at least make it so they cant attack you whille you on a mission (or do you defend that kind of "practice pvp"? I'm afraid that this is where you were mistaken. C and P is not a discussion forum, its a moron filtration device, and you just got caught in the screen.
Doomfist	Posted - 2010.07.26 00:08:00 - [39] Ressiv other than your insulting tone at least you have thought about the issue more than your other defenders of a borked system If someone makes off with your blueprints (while they can be locked from doing so) is it not you who let your guard down and did not see it coming as well......the big diffence with the ability to attack your own corpmate allows you to stop the thief and thats a good thing but you could have prevented it yourself with locking them from access (atm there is no stopping a player from ganking you while in corp) so I think a system that pleases both our needs is to allow a perma-killright on them If this happens then traitor can allways run away out of your reach but to allow the ganking of corpmates is really counter productive to the formation or CORPS ....and it WILL drive many that get burned this way AWAY from paying for this game (btw I did win my fight thanks to a damgage control II and a EM rig if not I would have lost that fight but he did instead)
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.07.26 00:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Doomfist Ressiv other than your insulting tone at least you have thought about the issue more than your other defenders of a borked system If someone makes off with your blueprints (while they can be locked from doing so) is it not you who let your guard down and did not see it coming as well......the big diffence with the ability to attack your own corpmate allows you to stop the thief and thats a good thing but you could have prevented it yourself with locking them from access (atm there is no stopping a player from ganking you while in corp) so I think a system that pleases both our needs is to allow a perma-killright on them If this happens then traitor can allways run away out of your reach but to allow the ganking of corpmates is really counter productive to the formation or CORPS ....and it WILL drive many that get burned this way AWAY from paying for this game (btw I did win my fight thanks to a damgage control II and a EM rig if not I would have lost that fight but he did instead) OMFG .... ..... ..... READ WTF YOU JUST WROTE ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================

Richard Lolington Gallente The Law Offices of LOL and LOL	Posted - 2010.07.26 01:43:00 - [41] Your crime idiocy, your punishment -1 internets.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.07.26 01:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Firnas ... Again, the general rule of Eve applies. Never fly anything you don't want blown up, because there are a thousand ways it can happen. The actual rule is don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. If the above quoted was the rule, the only people undocked would be suicide gankers.
EdLolingtonIII Gallente The Law Offices of LOL and LOL	Posted - 2010.07.26 01:51:00 - [43] Greetings Doomfist. I have been directed to this situation by my partner Richard. As an experienced Internet Spaceship Attorney, I have carefully weighed the evidence and consulted the books of CCP law. It is my professional opinion that valid game mechanic is valid and that your corporation is at fault for negligence in not checking this anonymous player's previous corporation history, combat record, and conducting other various methods of verifying said pilot's background. I do submit unto you an invoice for 100 million ISK for my services and fine you not 1, but 2 internets for your crimes against common sense Ed Lolington III Esq. Attorney at LOL
Firnas Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.07.26 01:57:00 - [44] It is a matter of semantics at that point. I would argue that for a lot of people, myself included, what you can afford to lose is the same as what you don't mind getting blown up. General principle is the same. Your ships will blow up. Only fly the ship that you can accept losing. In fact I think my version might be stronger. It might easily come to pass that a person could be flying a ship they cannot replace isk wise, but would be willing to lose in a fight. Besides the point anyway, this guy is just arguing for a padded safety wall to get dropped over eve so he doesn't have to be careful. I enjoy and utilize shooting at corp mates. There are a lot of reasons its good. Discipline. Anger leadership, get blown up. Saves on mistakes. Corpies accidentally shooting each other don't flag or get concorded. This is big for some people. A few other good reasons but I'm stuck at work, not enough time to delineate them. Basically doomfist you demand we accept your reqsoning that it hurts corps and the game. You have not provided proof, merely requiring that we accept your conclusion. I require a mature and reasoned proposition showing how. You have not done this.
Nilanea Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.26 05:38:00 - [45] Hmm, let's see. What if CCP grants your wish and corp mates CANNOT attack each other. Here's a couple of scenarios I came up with. You invite a new member into corp. This person can do the following to grief you. Smack talk in local causing other corporations to declare war on you. During a mission the person assigned salvage duty, because that person is still "learning up the skills to fly a XXXX ship", keeps all the salvage to him/her self. Person steals mission critical item causing you to lose standings. Person flies in a cheap destroyer and agros all the NPCs and triggers all the spawns causing you to tank the entire room. Person offers fellow corp mates to move ships, ore, items via his/her freighter and then keeps everything. All the above doesn't involve the new guy/gal firing a shot at you. Normally you would just blow up, pod, and kick the idiot for doing the above. But since CCP heard your wish, you can only just kick em. Dang... That'll teach him/her not to do that again. Funny thing. If you do a proper background check, as other users already stated in the previous posts, you don't have to read minds to figure out if the new guy/gal will do harm to your corp. Does doing a background check guarantee that he/she will not turn on you 100%. Heck nope, but you can reduce the possibility of the above happening. If you really want this feature of not being able to attack corp mates. Make a thread in Features and Ideas Discussion. But again, they will just grief you in other ways other than shooting you. P.S. if you want permanent kill rights on someone, you can do it right now. Just setup and operate in 0.0. You can shoot up anyone there...
Time2Whine	Posted - 2010.07.28 14:12:00 - [46] make it so that the CEO/director can declare specific players' corp aggression unsanctioned leading to concordokken sit a bucket out to catch the griefbear tears
SolusLunes Caldari Griefing Inc HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.28 14:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Doomfist yes I can look at corp history /age /sec status but I cant read minds to allow a mechanic that forces me too is retarted at its very foundation Originally by: Doomfist a mechanic that forces me too is retarted at its very foundation Originally by: Doomfist retarted at its very foundation Originally by: Doomfist retarted Originally by: Doomfist RETARTED DAT WORD In other, related news, Mitnal was never here.
Danny Centauri Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.07.28 15:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Doomfist Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 25/07/2010 15:54:08 Good players learn from their mistakes, alter how they approach the same situations in the future. You don't have to read minds to do that. I've often asked a corp mate if I can test out my damage, or asked them to test my tank in the past. Why should this change because you cannot seemingly check your corp applicants? I heard there was a test server And do you feel the need to attack a corpmate while in a mission and hes tanking the room ? hmm Piracy and infiltration of corps in its self is a feature. This has been done in the past on much bigger scales with spys causing the death of caps/supercaps; whilst stealing multiple billions in assets. The point here is you could avoid this by tightening your recruitment policies, also if your corp all does missions in a local area then if someone gets in trouble you can help each other out. EVE is a sandbox, this is just another part of that and promotes trust amongst corp mates. EVE is a harsh world it was designed that way it might not be for everyone but piracy is here to stay.
sinamrali	Posted - 2010.07.28 16:14:00 - [49] This actually happened to me a few months back in my first month of EVE. I got killed by someone that did the same thing. He was in our corp and fleeted us to an empty part of space where he killed us all. We were all noobs, so easy pickings. It wasn't a big loss for me, just a fail-fit Coercer. I blamed the CEO for not seeing this guy's LONG history of corporations with a short amount of time in each one. The corp was growing like crazy so I figured background checks were not as deep as they should have been. I left that corp with haste. I didn't make a thread about it because that would have given him (the piwate) what he wanted; tears. OP, you're lucky you came out on top and denied him some tears. It could have been worse. Good for you.
Butzewutze	Posted - 2010.07.28 18:05:00 - [50] Edited by: Butzewutze on 28/07/2010 18:07:29 Why should ccp change gamemechanics that 300.000 players (except you) enjoy? Actually players are doing this for ages, they are invading corps and killing the big juicy missionships because... well... they are dropping good loot. Its like a big officer in highsec. Sure, these are not the best fights out there but "they" are making money with that so i think thats a good reason to do it. Like others said, it was your own fault letting unknown players in your corp... u dont let strangers into your house too... or well, if i think about it... maybe you do. Quote: I wanted to put a bounty on this traitor of the highest order but the game would not allow it cause he did not have a neg security rating ( I wanted to be able to tag him as a security risk Or just transfer the money right on his account because he will use an alt / friend to pop a cheap clone of him and make 50/50. Quote: If this whole attack gank your corp mate is a feature I think its my least favorite and in my opinion should be changed next patch If u run against a wall and hurt yourself you should think about how to evade that wall. You instead, choosed to call the Police to remove the wall. Thats not pretty smart dont u think? Maybe Hello Kitty Online is something for you... this is not happy carebearland dude. We are enjoying the game like it is and if u dont, then maybe look for another one.

Bryg Philomena Don't Taze Me Bro	Posted - 2010.07.28 19:04:00 - [51] Lucky bastard. You would never have gotten away from me. /me wishes Vasili and Lofty were still around. The threads in here have gotten worse and worse (but it sounds like the bears got dumber and dumber again) Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Doomfist	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:36:00 - [52] I have been directed to a better place then here to discuss this http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1359787
Cpt Tackle	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:42:00 - [53] The OP is a typical: "I suck at making ISK or PVP or corporation management or something else and I don't want to learn and/or improve so lets change game mechanics to make the game more enjoyable for m... err I mean other players."
Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:46:00 - [54] the system shouldn't change, but if you actually BLOW UP a corpmates ship, you SHOULD get kill rights. even an accidental ship death by a corp mate is ****ing infuriating. and if you're cool enough with your corp mates that you blow each other up in fun, griefless pvp, then obviously you're cool enough that killrights on said person will not affect you, as they are your friend. i actually fly amarr
Xereyn	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Doomfist see an up and coming mission runner trying to grab a small slice of the pie and feel a lil threatend Protip: No-one feels threatened by a mission-runner. No-one is infiltrating your small-time corp because they care, they're doing it because you're an easy mark. Protip 2: This kind of thread does very little but advertise what an easy mark you are to the EVE community at large. Protip 3: If you want to be able to have "complete safety" while being undocked, EVE is not for you. There is no PVE server. There is no newbie zone. It's Contested Territory across the map and that scrub in your guild won't just pull aggro and wipe the group - he can backstab you without dropping a duel flag first. And nobody's going to back you up on this one because no-one else has a problem with corp aggression mechanics, because the problem here is you, not the game. Welcome to EVE. Now HTFU.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:55:00 - [56] Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. Hell, makes me want to join up with an alt to get in on the fun. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City' Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
Ichire Dacar	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Danny Centauri Piracy and infiltration of corps in its self is a feature. This has been done in the past on much bigger scales with spys causing the death of caps/supercaps; whilst stealing multiple billions in assets. The point here is you could avoid this by tightening your recruitment policies, also if your corp all does missions in a local area then if someone gets in trouble you can help each other out. EVE is a sandbox, this is just another part of that and promotes trust amongst corp mates. EVE is a harsh world it was designed that way it might not be for everyone but piracy is here to stay. This tbh.
Laxyr Chamsin Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:41:00 - [58] Theres one thing you can do and that is to screen your wannabe corpmates ver very carefully. The LEAST you have to do is contact 2 of his/her former CEOs. Let my bio be a reminder to you ;-) Regards, Lax
Creepy CousinRoger	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:14:00 - [59] Originally by: Doomfist I have been directed to a better place then here to discuss this http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1359787 I see that thread went well for you.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:59:00 - [60] I'll give you a great example of when this mechanic is a huge asset to a corp. Have you ever heard of Red vs Blue? These are two corps at constant war with each other, having a good time. Every once in a great while, we have a silly Free For All event. Take this past Sunday. A guy was leaving Eve for personal reasons (basic training I believe with limited access to Eve). He opt to give his stuff away to the winner of a battlecruiser Free For all. Both Red and Blue members were invited. They went to a nearby system, found a nice quiet spot, and went at it. It was a joy to watch and the winner got some very nice prizes out of the deal. Why should we not be allowed to have such fun? To do this without such a mechanic would have required either a very messy everyone pop cans to flip, or find a Wormhole big enough to allow us all in and out, or low or nul sec and risk others coming in. So really, why should we lose a feature that allows us to have fun simply because it impacted you negatively?



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