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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:44:00 -
[2311]
 Originally by: Zeba
Hats off to the lobbyist alt army for continued excellence in political spin and an unending trudge to absolutely nowhere.
This is actually my main. I sold my 2003 toon when the lag became unacceptable and am bearing until they fix it. Feel free to hit me up in game for my old info if you'd like. I'd also love a chat with you. You seem like a chill brosef.
Originally by: Zeba
]Far far less than all the faceless and not so faceless fleet fight lobbyist alts I can assure you. And I claim victory because you can't even dispute me anymore. Just personal attack after personal attack. Hell the last few pages were totally lulz as you and the alt army continued to toss offtopic attacks at me when you saw me post in another thread and I continued to ignore you all in this one.
I'm not coming at you brah. I'm complimenting you working people up into a frenzy. No sarcasm. It's fun to watch a ::puppet master:: in his/her prime.
Originally by: Zeba
Feels so good to be wanted. 
I tell myself that everyday too. 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:52:00 -
[2312]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Hats off to the lobbyist alt army for continued excellence in political spin and an unending trudge to absolutely nowhere.
This is actually my main. I sold my 2003 toon when the lag became unacceptable and am bearing until they fix it. Feel free to hit me up in game for my old info if you'd like. I'd also love a chat with you. You seem like a chill brosef.
Why thank you. I am a pretty chill brosef ingame as I never let the forum game leak into the real game. I'm too busy enjoying the endless amount of fun to be had with all the awesome stuff to do.
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Far far less than all the faceless and not so faceless fleet fight lobbyist alts I can assure you. And I claim victory because you can't even dispute me anymore. Just personal attack after personal attack. Hell the last few pages were totally lulz as you and the alt army continued to toss offtopic attacks at me when you saw me post in another thread and I continued to ignore you all in this one.
I'm not coming at you brah. I'm complimenting you working people up into a frenzy. No sarcasm. It's fun to watch a ::puppet master:: in his/her prime.
Yeah my bad. I have a bad habit of putting in the word 'you' when I should be using 'they' or 'them' or some other group descriptive. And I'm not a puppet master I just like to trip up the players who go over the top on the forums into the realm of the emo. And noone can deny we have had a crapton of that in this thread.
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Feels so good to be wanted.
I tell myself that everyday too.
Positive reinforcement best reinforcment. Especially when they ask for you by name. 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:56:00 -
[2313]
::brofist::
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:05:00 -
[2314]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
there seems to be peanut butter on your nose lol
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:11:00 -
[2315]
Edited by: Zeba on 12/08/2010 19:12:33
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: HarrietMiers
That said, how many times have you posted in this thread? Be honest
http://www.eve-search.com/stats/thread/1360067
Crap I've got some catching up to do.
Better get to poastin then.
And neat link. Didn't realise you could do that with eve search. 
edit; ffs keep forgeting to say BUMP!
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:45:00 -
[2316]
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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PCaBoo
noXCorp
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:48:00 -
[2317]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
maybe it's always been like this, but lately it seems like anything said against the propaganda machine is deemed trolling and moderated.
If things don't pan out for you guys at CCP, maybe you can work for the Iranian or Chinese governments.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:02:00 -
[2318]
Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
maybe it's always been like this, but lately it seems like anything said against the propaganda machine is deemed trolling and moderated.
If things don't pan out for you guys at CCP, maybe you can work for the Iranian or Chinese governments.
Well they removed some of my replies too and I am supposedly considered to be part of the ccp propaganda machine. Tbh I'm pretty sure they(ccp) would not shed so much as a tear if I never posted in the forums again.(at least in this thread, maybe a few others ;p) 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Carebearingtonfieldville
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:21:00 -
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How many years have passed since WIS was coming "soon"?
CCP doesn't ever actually implement big things (WIS) or fix big things (lag).. not ever. They just say "lol we workin oon it comin' soon lolol"
Then they go "lol u guise fight eachother lol" (FW) then a couple years later "lol u guise wanna click the planets lol?" (PI) "lol buy an x-box looll we got somthin comin' soon"
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Bertie McBert
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:33:00 -
[2320]
The lack of any real response from CCP regarding the concerns raised by those not trolling in this thread makes me sad. 
Voted for Conan btw.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:55:00 -
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Quote:
I'm not coming at you brah. I'm complimenting you working people up into a frenzy. No sarcasm. It's fun to watch a ::puppet master:: in his/her prime.
yes, making crying people cry is an amazing skill. My hat is off tho the both of you. You're tighter than Bill Clinton and the Pope.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:00:00 -
[2322]
Originally by: Bertie McBert
The lack of any real response from CCP regarding the concerns raised by those not trolling in this thread makes me sad.
Voted for Conan btw.
Go play it.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:10:00 -
[2323]
Edited by: Zeba on 12/08/2010 21:17:51
Originally by: HarrietMiers
I think a few newer players and ccp fail to realize the source (or at least one of the sources) of the playerbase's grievance: at one point, 1000 on 1000 was possible.
I'm fairly certain ccp knows about the former ability to enjoy laggish free fleet fights as they were the ones who sweated their destiny balls off making it happen. Then Dominion came along and wrecked it to worse than it ever was and even moar annoyingly(for everyone including ccp) somehow it got wrecked so bad ccp still haven't figured out what the hell happened.
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Had we never seen fights of this proportion, I doubt you'd see the whining going on in this thread. Too late though, we had a taste and are hooked. We're junkies ccp. Give us our damn junk.
Here is the rub. I want ccp to fix fleet fight lag just as bad as anyone else. My sympathies go to everyone including myself who sank tens and tens of billions of isk into all the revelant cap skills and ships to outfit all my combat alts in shiney hotdrop style. Even had a few prospective offers to get into the nullsec game by joining one of the fw corps nullsec divisions so I was all happy and giddy to get started. Then Dominion hit and it all went up in a lag bomb. So yeah I too have lots of annoyance over all this stuff I was wanting to do suddenly getting yoinked out from under me. I can only imagine what it feels like for the ones who already were waist deep in it.
But really. Was it nessesary to highjack this and multiple other threads and turn them into a 'we can't fleet fight' rage fest? What does it accomplish? The needed coding revisions certainly are not going to get sped up on fixing it over pages and pages of rage. Plus noone can toss the 18 month misquote out over it because ccp has stated over and over they never stopped working on the fix for lag even with incarna and dust getting the lions share of the content creation devs(who by the way all suck at fixing lag) that won't work on other aspects of eve for that constantly tossed out 18 month snippet. Now besides fleet fight lag are there issues that need to be dealt with? Certainly. I will be one of the first to wag his finger in faction warfares general direction and give ccp a stern look about how the promised fleshing out never got past Soon.
But is faction warfare unplayably broken like fleet fights? Not at all. Granted the rr alts are annoying as is the lack of an official reason to undock and pew pew with the less than effective plexing mechanic but we still go out and have a ball every single day of the week. Same can be said for most other areas of eve. Do they need some lovin? Very much so. Cosmos is a prime example with its bpo rewards that for certain mods are fairly useless compared to named and t2 not to mention faction so noone really uses the content. But its still doable and gets you other rewards like fast stadings increases and some decent research agents so again it can wait for 18 months.
One can even surmise that the silver lining to the fleet fight thunderstorm of doom is that because there has been no ability to field sov destoying cap ship fleets that nullsec is more populated now than it ever was. So basically the lag let anyone with the corp skills and access to a hauler to setup shop and improve his system without fear of getting dropped by PL or the Goons or any nearby bored alliance just for the lulz. So now we have everyone all nice and cozy with plentiful outposts and cynojammers just waiting for lag to be fixed as they milk their upgrades for isk. Plus it should be waaaaaay more fun than if only the large previously established alliances had been able to pwn at will from day one locking everyone else out yet again.
So guys ask yourselves this about the contents of this thread: Was it worth it trying to burn your house down to spite the landlord?
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Isten Baba
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:22:00 -
[2324]
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 21:24:14
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 21:23:44
Lag is a symptom, not the disease. The essential problem is CCP (apparently) losing focus on EVE, and instead committing to FPS console stupidity and vampires.
I would understand if CP said "sorry, we screwed up, and we even though we are truly trying, we haven't yet found a soltion to lag". However, I need to know as a customer that (most) of my 30 euros a month (two subs) goes to EVE, and that they are fully committed to it. I am not paying to subsidise other games I will never play.
At the moment I seriously doubt that (PI was very poor, and there are just too many indications to the contrary), but I still hope that CCP will change its strategy.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:29:00 -
[2325]
Edited by: Zeba on 12/08/2010 21:30:49
Originally by: Isten Baba
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 21:24:14
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 21:23:44
Lag is a symptom, not the disease. The essential problem is CCP (apparently) losing focus on EVE, and instead committing to FPS console stupidity and vampires.
I would understand if CP said "sorry, we screwed up, and we even though we are truly trying, we haven't yet found a soltion to lag". However, I need to know as a customer that (most) of my 30 euros a month (two subs) goes to EVE, and that they are fully committed to it. I am not paying to subsidise other games I will never play.
At the moment I seriously doubt that (PI was very poor, and there are just too many indications to the contrary), but I still hope that CCP will change its strategy.
Apparently ccp are commiting 100% of the devs who can fix lag to fix lag and not sending said lag fixing devs off to make virtual clothes for incarna or map levels for dust. Not to mention trying to hire even moar devs so they can do even more stuff in a single development cycle. They also have a dedicated team working on pi unlike other areas of the game like fleshing out fw etc etc which will get their turn in 18 months. So your point is?
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Isten Baba
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:44:00 -
[2326]
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 21:46:14
Originally by: Zeba
Apparently ccp are commiting 100% of the devs who can fix lag to fix lag and not sending said lag fixing devs off to make virtual clothes for incarna or map levels for dust. Not to mention trying to hire even moar devs so they can do even more stuff in a single development cycle. They also have a dedicated team working on pi unlike other areas of the game like fleshing out fw etc etc which will get their turn in 18 months. So your point is?
My point? That I'm a paying customer who loves (the concept of) EVE, and who is very concerned with the direction CCP is taking: shiny new things and other games, rather than improving and expanding the already existing infrastructure. There many, many amazing things that could be done to the EVE universe, and yet I don't see that happening.
I voice my concern beause I still like the game too much to give up on it (ie. unsubscribe). The moment I stop posting will be the moment I don't care anymore. I hope it will not get to that.
Oh, and:
1) as I stated (didn't you read my post?), lag is not the main problem and I assume they are seriously working on it.
2) I have no negative opinion on Incarna in itself, even though I don't think I will be using it a lot. However, I am afraid (given a poor track record) that CCP will simply introduce it half-finished once again, and never truly use its full potential. Too many examples like that already.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:56:00 -
[2327]
Originally by: Isten Baba
My point? That I'm a paying customer who loves (the concept of) EVE, and who is very concerned with the direction CCP is taking: shiny new things and other games, rather than improving and expanding the already existing infrastructure. There many, many amazing things that could be done to the EVE universe, and yet I don't see that happening.
I voice my concern beause I still like the game too much to give up on it (ie. unsubscribe). The moment I stop posting will be the moment I don't care anymore. I hope it will not get to that.
Oh, and:
1) as I stated (didn't you read my post?), lag is not the main problem and I assume they are seriously working on it.
2) I have no negative opinion on Incarna in itself, even though I don't think I will be using it a lot. However, I am afraid (given a poor track record) that CCP will simply introduce it half-finished once again, and never truly use its full potential. Too many examples like that already.
Well thats your personal view and I wasn't trying to invalidate it. But the counter point is that if ccp had shelved incarna and dust for 18 months and instead worked on older content for us older players then we still would have gotten this epic lulz of a thread. Only with different whinges. Then there was the whole argument about ccp not focusing on completing a feature before it hits the live servers. Well they made a choice and went all out to make sure incarna and dust both ship as feature complete as possible at the expence of fleshing out playable older content that the the majority of new players won't use up for years anyways and they still can't win in the eyes of the forums. Thats simply the nature of a public gaming forum. The happy people are in the game playing the game and the unhappy people are on the forums playing the forums game. And whilst the dancers might change with the wind the actual dance never stops.
Care to dance?
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Alexander Knott
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:11:00 -
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So when is vacation time over anyway? Or is this "vacation" like alliance leaders always seem to take as they're losing all their space?
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Isten Baba
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:12:00 -
[2329]
Edited by: Isten Baba on 12/08/2010 22:13:08
Originally by: Zeba
Well thats your personal view and I wasn't trying to invalidate it. But the counter point is that if ccp had shelved incarna and dust for 18 months and instead worked on older content for us older players then we still would have gotten this epic lulz of a thread. Only with different whinges. Then there was the whole argument about ccp not focusing on completing a feature before it hits the live servers. Well they made a choice and went all out to make sure incarna and dust both ship as feature complete as possible at the expence of fleshing out playable older content that the the majority of new players won't use up for years anyways and they still can't win in the eyes of the forums. Thats simply the nature of a public gaming forum. The happy people are in the game playing the game and the unhappy people are on the forums playing the forums game. And whilst the dancers might change with the wind the actual dance never stops.
Care to dance?
Im a lousy dancer, unfortunately (had ballroom classes for a couple of months. It wasn't pretty).
I'm never sure about the "unhappy=forum minority, happy=silent majority" argument. Even though there are some serial whiners, I suspect that the majority of posters on EVE forums are simply people who truly care, and who are overall very loyal to EVE. They might very well reflect the (silent) majority experience as well, but that's impossible to prove either way.
I personally don't like complaining, but am truly concerned (I'd love EVE to be around forever). I defended CCP in the PLEX threads, for example.
The problem is not any specific example, such as lag, but the cumulative signs that CCP are no longer committed to EVE in a way that will allow it to flourish. There seems to be a real disconnect between the community and CCP, and CCP seems to have a strategy that doesn't seem to support my hopes/wishes for EVE.
It's not a big thng in my life (EVE is only a tiny part of it), but I do hope that CCP will continue to develop and improve the kind of game I enjoy playing, and that they pick up on the expressed concerns from their customers.
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:22:00 -
[2330]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
Not quite the constructive response I was hoping for. Maybe I am an optimist...
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Teidor Auvehro
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:24:00 -
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Helping to keep the thread on top. The longer it stays on the first page the chances are higher that somebody important at CCP actually sees and reacts to it.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:26:00 -
[2332]
Originally by: Teidor Auvehro
Helping to keep the thread on top. The longer it stays on the first page the chances are higher that somebody will start playing EvE right now.
Fixed.
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Taguchi Hiroko
Shady Oaks Retirement Home
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:39:00 -
[2333]
lol, ccp troll best troll.
been playing starcraft 2 instead.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:51:00 -
[2334]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 12/08/2010 23:51:17
77 PAGES AND 160,000 VIEWS
If I go back and read all of it, will I see good things?  We can only hope the PR department has at least GLANCED at all this?
Yes?
No?
Maybe? 
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:03:00 -
[2335]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 12/08/2010 23:51:17
77 PAGES AND 160,000 VIEWS
If I go back and read all of it, will I see good things? We can only hope the PR department has at least GLANCED at all this?
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
You forgot probably, though that means no anyway.
Go Zeba GO, try to salvage the unsalvageable with your expert knowledge on EVE! A single loss and kill make you the greateststestestst EVE expert around and we're in awe of your knowledge in regards to bugs, lack of features and lag. Now if only rocks gave you km's.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:23:00 -
[2336]
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: HarrietMiers
That said, how many times have you posted in this thread? Be honest
http://www.eve-search.com/stats/thread/1360067
This demonstrates once again that people who want to kill off PvP are a vocal minority. When will CCP hear the rest of us?
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:26:00 -
[2337]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
But the original post is still there?? 
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:30:00 -
[2338]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner.
But the original post is still there??
It'll take 18 months to clean up the rest.
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Nedefeg
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Posted - 2010.08.13 04:47:00 -
[2339]
BUMP
****IN PIECE OF **** BEAN****ERS
TROLL TROLL TROLL
CCP CLEANUP CREW...
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.08.13 06:32:00 -
[2340]
Originally by: Zeba
Here is the rub. I want ccp to fix fleet fight lag just as bad as anyone else. My sympathies go to everyone including myself who sank tens and tens of billions of isk into all the revelant cap skills and ships to outfit all my combat alts in shiney hotdrop style. Even had a few prospective offers to get into the nullsec game by joining one of the fw corps nullsec divisions so I was all happy and giddy to get started. Then Dominion hit and it all went up in a lag bomb. So yeah I too have lots of annoyance over all this stuff I was wanting to do suddenly getting yoinked out from under me. I can only imagine what it feels like for the ones who already were waist deep in it.
But really. Was it nessesary to highjack this and multiple other threads and turn them into a 'we can't fleet fight' rage fest? What does it accomplish? The needed coding revisions certainly are not going to get sped up on fixing it over pages and pages of rage. Plus noone can toss the 18 month misquote out over it because ccp has stated over and over they never stopped working on the fix for lag even with incarna and dust getting the lions share of the content creation devs(who by the way all suck at fixing lag) that won't work on other aspects of eve for that constantly tossed out 18 month snippet. Now besides fleet fight lag are there issues that need to be dealt with? Certainly. I will be one of the first to wag his finger in faction warfares general direction and give ccp a stern look about how the promised fleshing out never got past Soon.
But is faction warfare unplayably broken like fleet fights? Not at all. Granted the rr alts are annoying as is the lack of an official reason to undock and pew pew with the less than effective plexing mechanic but we still go out and have a ball every single day of the week. Same can be said for most other areas of eve. Do they need some lovin? Very much so. Cosmos is a prime example with its bpo rewards that for certain mods are fairly useless compared to named and t2 not to mention faction so noone really uses the content. But its still doable and gets you other rewards like fast stadings increases and some decent research agents so again it can wait for 18 months.
One can even surmise that the silver lining to the fleet fight thunderstorm of doom is that because there has been no ability to field sov destoying cap ship fleets that nullsec is more populated now than it ever was. So basically the lag let anyone with the corp skills and access to a hauler to setup shop and improve his system without fear of getting dropped by PL or the Goons or any nearby bored alliance just for the lulz. So now we have everyone all nice and cozy with plentiful outposts and cynojammers just waiting for lag to be fixed as they milk their upgrades for isk. Plus it should be waaaaaay more fun than if only the large previously established alliances had been able to pwn at will from day one locking everyone else out yet again.
Well true, nothing we can write on the forum will speed up the work.
But sitting here, laughing and trolling won't help either.
Silently accepting that fleet warfare is broken due to lag and unstable grid-loading is really like the ignorant child that keeps telling herself "everything will be fine, someone will fix it". But that requires that someone is aware of the problem and gives a damn about fixing it (hope).
Of course the "RAWR FIX IT ALREADY" will appear choleric but ultimately is an expression of "hey, here's a problem, I want that fixed now" (anger).
I don't think it's a special bonus that lag transformed the new sov-system into a stalemate. If anything it shows the wide consequences of lag and that either CCP accepted those consequences (terribad) or was unaware of them (bad).
IMO this demonstrates a lack of focus and/or ability of the people working on in-space features and that is a slippery slope. 2 expansions in a row showed these symptoms, I don't want a 3rd one.
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