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Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.08.13 07:10:00 - [2341] I hear that once this thread is cleaned up they're gunna get started on the game EveOnline.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.13 07:12:00 - [2342] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner. On Topic: Eve is suffering from a thousand bugs. Constructive reply: LISTEN to your player base and focus on fixes rather than content.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.13 07:18:00 - [2343] Edited by: Super Whopper on 13/08/2010 07:20:19 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner. No, you haven't. The moment you clean your own first post is the moment the 'trolling' ends. But insulting the players is fully permitted, right? I fully understand you're only doing your job but you guys need to explain to the idiots at the top of the food chain that if they don't stop smocking crack they'll end up right at the bottom, like so many other failed MMO's.
Diabolick	Posted - 2010.08.13 09:37:00 - [2344] Awards ceremony is tomorrow night if Im not mistaken. Are BIG taking bets?
Ferrus Manuss	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:27:00 - [2345] Back up you go.
Jake Too	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:37:00 - [2346] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner. The most constructive post that we could get in here would be a post by CCP management telling us about development (re)prioritization and resource allocation to document that you are actually taking the situation seriously!
Ferrus Manuss	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:57:00 - [2347] Edited by: Ferrus Manuss on 13/08/2010 11:57:47 i want to know what will be fixed in the next exspansion and what conent is being revisited. apart form PI
Rhoan Leigh	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:28:00 - [2348] So, how do we all think EvE did?
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:00:00 - [2349] Originally by: Rhoan Leigh So, how do we all think EvE did? Poorly.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:03:00 - [2350] Watch them win, and cause an even larger community outrage. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:29:00 - [2351] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Watch them win, and cause an even larger community outrage. I will lol so hard I have to grasp for air if that happens. But boy, will I lol.
Yeay Fritg Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:01:00 - [2352] Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 13/08/2010 15:01:44 CCP, I like Eve ,I'm playing with different accounts since 2006. Sad to say but I hope this year you will not win! CCP DEV/QA people, thank you for all your job and EVE game ! Sorry that some CPP Staff decided not to support you in your developer/tester work. Yeay
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:45:00 - [2353] Getting far too close to the bottom... STAY UP The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:30:00 - [2354] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of some trolling and off topic posts. Please be sure to post on topic and in a constructive manner. That's a bit silly, since you started it all. Or the marketing ppl in charge
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:38:00 - [2355] I am being constructive... I am building a Posting Bridge to page 79! The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:59:00 - [2356] Originally by: King Aires Getting far too close to the bottom... STAY UP Thats what SHE said! ...keep the threadnaught alive! Bump. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.08.13 18:01:00 - [2357] NO!!! -- "You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden
Nova Tiempo	Posted - 2010.08.13 18:44:00 - [2358] Originally by: CCP Zulu Pilots of New Eden, We have a series of blogs coming out to give a better insight into the technical side of CCP and progress in our long battle on lag. We know this issue is important to you, and there's plenty of room for further explanation, so we hope you tune in here in the coming weeks and months to follow our efforts. We call this the long battle on lag because there's not a single issue that creates lag or removes it. It's a constant, slow battle that has many possible warriors standing against us on the opposing side. You may also remember some of our more focused initatives, like Need For Speed which we started 2006. It has been a priority within CCP since then as we've taken a holistic approach to EVE's growing population and the emergent behavior of its pilots. In EVE's long history, we've made continual progress towards the promised land of minimal lag, sometimes in incremental steps and sometimes punctuated by large leaps such as StacklessIO and EVE64. Shortly after Dominion, as we've all noticed, things began reverting. This has been a problem, as we know how powerful and unique an experience a 1000+ player fleet fight can truly be. While this is all relative, as we're dealing with an exceptional gaming situation where the universe is large and un-sharded and allows for freedom of movement in the gamespace that is rarely seen elsewhere, CCP's goal is to return you to those epic space battles and then well beyond. In the past we've tried to give the right mix of information for the general EVE audience, which has led us a bit away from uber-technical blogs. However, the more technical blogs we have put out have been well-received and since we're talking lag, the blogs following this will follow suit. In the coming series... Topic: Singularity Mass Testing Report, CCP Tanis This is a report from some of the findings of the lass mass testing on Singularity and includes some of the work and investigations being done as a result. These kinds of scenarios can seldom be created on Tranquility with the amount of logging, probing and debugging in place, so this should show why each test is of great importance to us and why the brave, patient players joining us on Sisi are integral to help us tackle lag. Topic: The Long Lag and MMO Scaling, CCP Warlock This blog is about distributed applications (of which EVE is one of the more complex) designing them and how CCP scales them to give you not only the best possible performance across the cluster as a whole, but also for specific activities like fleet fights. This comes from Warlock's presentation at Para 2010, which was presented to the CSM 5 during a break in deliberations and requested in this EVE-O post. This should give another angle of understanding of the behind-the-scenes efforts we've been taking. Topic: "Thin Clients" and Automated Testing from CCP Atropos This is an explanation of an effort to rework the guts of the EVE client to slim it down as much as possible so we can undertake controlled, large scale tests in a more automated way. This new testing tool will benefit both quality and scalability moving forwards and can help us simulate fleet-fights "on demand". We aren't to the point where we can imitate player behavior though, so this goes alongside mass-testing as one of our investigative tools. Topic: Carbon, CCP's Core Technology , CCP Unifex CCP has a Core Technology Group which creates and maintains all of the core functionality of what runs EVE and will run our future games. These are groups of superspecialists which helped to produce things like StacklessIO and the Trinity2 graphics engine. This blog will help clarify the overall approach we take to making games and more parts of CCP's organizational structure which contribute directly to the development of EVE Online than just the dedicated EVE Dev Team.
bitter vetiranarian	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:11:00 - [2359] too little too late imo
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:29:00 - [2360] Originally by: Super Whopper Go Zeba GO, try to salvage the unsalvageable with your expert knowledge on EVE! A single loss and kill make you the greateststestestst EVE expert around and we're in awe of your knowledge in regards to bugs, lack of features and lag. Now if only rocks gave you km's. Says the forum troll alt with zero kills and five losses with probably just over the starting sp on his alt so he could make the witty corp name. We all have our combat alts to go with our forum alts but this forum alt at least has nearly 80 mil sp to use as I wish be it perfect probing skills or full cap ship skills or literally flying anything minnie with complete max skills. Also I have plenty of kills on this character from the nullsec runs in a rapier with alt bomber accounts I used to do. But I don't ever post killmails as its just silly to give away free intel. Why not post killmails? Because then when people see you in local and look you up they all go 'oh its a carebear! lets kill him!' and then the trap is sprung. Besides, the tears from the forum trolls trying to use it against me is hilarious. Originally by: Ban Doga Well true, nothing we can write on the forum will speed up the work. But sitting here, laughing and trolling won't help either. Well if thats how you feel then maybe you could convince your thread mates to stop with all the laughing and trolling? The only trolling I personally did in this thread was to counter the other trolling that was already to page 55 by the time I got around to it. Nothing more nothing less. Sorry if the previous trolls in this thread didn't like the competition. Originally by: Ban Doga Silently accepting that fleet warfare is broken due to lag and unstable grid-loading is really like the ignorant child that keeps telling herself "everything will be fine, someone will fix it". But that requires that someone is aware of the problem and gives a damn about fixing it (hope). Of course the "RAWR FIX IT ALREADY" will appear choleric but ultimately is an expression of "hey, here's a problem, I want that fixed now" (anger). I have never once said anyone should silently accept it and just go sit in a corner. What I have stated though is that if you are going to voice your opinion then do so in an adult manner and maybe people won't treat them like pouty kids. And a quick glance at the overall forums pretty much leaves me to believe that ccp was informed about it looong ago. Originally by: Ban Doga I don't think it's a special bonus that lag transformed the new sov-system into a stalemate. If anything it shows the wide consequences of lag and that either CCP accepted those consequences (terribad) or was unaware of them (bad). The only consequenses I see are that noone can fight in large blobs. Everyone else in nullsec and most especially the alliance leaders who are raking in the iskies from all the uninterrupted production of moon goo and corp taxes from all the ratting and anomoly farming are having a grand old time. So yeah in the context of getting the new sov 2.0 up and running with everyone getting a fair start to improve their territory then lag has been a huge if unintended success. Originally by: Ban Doga IMO this demonstrates a lack of focus and/or ability of the people working on in-space features and that is a slippery slope. 2 expansions in a row showed these symptoms, I don't want a 3rd one. 2 expansions in a row also added many fixes to the game though fleet lag has not been one of them. IMO you don't judge a companys overall focus and ability over a niche gameplay element even if that element plays greatly in the marketing departments job to sell eve and has a rabidly vocal following from all the players who literally spent years getting to the point they can do them. Again, trying to burn the house down to spite the landlord is not the best tactic in the world to use and just gets you a heap of ashes with nowhere to sleep. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:48:00 - [2361] And since I ran out of space in the last post here is a tidbit for our dear readers in this thread to ponder. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368315 Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.13 20:08:00 - [2362] Originally by: Zeba Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. I have to disagree Zeba...its moar like, 'The PR people we hired finally got the best language together so that we can make it sound like we give a s*t.' It took how long for them to even say anything* about it? It would have been more professional to have addressed it before it became as big a bi**h-fest as it has. Thats called good customer relations...oh wait. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.13 20:31:00 - [2363] Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Zeba Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. I have to disagree Zeba...its moar like, 'The PR people we hired finally got the best language together so that we can make it sound like we give a s*t.' It took how long for them to even say anything* about it? It would have been more professional to have addressed it before it became as big a bi*h-fest as it has. Thats called good customer relations...oh wait. Amazing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also I didn't realise responding to the usual forum trolls was supposed to be a design priority to actually fixing the issues the game has. If anything the real effect all these blogs will have is to take away the time and most importantly the focus* the devs in question need to do their work. It's not a good practice to pull code junkies out of their programming trance to explain themselves to the monkeys. So good going guys for delaying the fix to lag yet again. Proud of yourselves? Stay away from my house though as I don't want it burnt down. Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.13 20:35:00 - [2364] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Zeba Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. I have to disagree Zeba...its moar like, 'The PR people we hired finally got the best language together so that we can make it sound like we give a s*t.' It took how long for them to even say anything* about it? It would have been more professional to have addressed it before it became as big a bi*h-fest as it has. Thats called good customer relations...oh wait. Amazing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also I didn't realise responding to the usual forum trolls was supposed to be a design priority to actually fixing the issues the game has. If anything the real effect all these blogs will have is to take away the time and most importantly the focus* the devs in question need to do their work. It's not a good practice to pull code junkies out of their programming trance to explain themselves to the monkeys. So good going guys for delaying the fix to lag yet again. Proud of yourselves? Stay away from my house though as I don't want it burnt down. The honest, but unfortunate reality is that mixed in with the trolls there were some very insightful and seriously concerned players that wanted answers to the question. Also, "usual forum trolls". Pot - kettle...kettle - pot. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
Zverofaust Gallente Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.13 22:33:00 - [2365] Back to the top. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Norantio Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:39:00 - [2366] Why was this post all the way at the bottom?
Sajad	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:40:00 - [2367] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Zeba Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. I have to disagree Zeba...its moar like, 'The PR people we hired finally got the best language together so that we can make it sound like we give a s*t.' It took how long for them to even say anything* about it? It would have been more professional to have addressed it before it became as big a bi*h-fest as it has. Thats called good customer relations...oh wait. Amazing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also I didn't realise responding to the usual forum trolls was supposed to be a design priority to actually fixing the issues the game has. If anything the real effect all these blogs will have is to take away the time and most importantly the focus* the devs in question need to do their work. It's not a good practice to pull code junkies out of their programming trance to explain themselves to the monkeys. So good going guys for delaying the fix to lag yet again. Proud of yourselves? Stay away from my house though as I don't want it burnt down. All developers need to be accountable. If a developer can't spend ten minutes explaining what they've been working on for the past several weeks, they don't deserve to work anywhere, regardless of how good they are with code.
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:55:00 - [2368] Edited by: Lrrp on 13/08/2010 23:56:27 Edit to remove echo Originally by: Zeba And since I ran out of space in the last post here is a tidbit for our dear readers in this thread to ponder. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368315 Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. And if we didn't stamp our feet and did just as mommy told us....how much do you think CCP would wind up doing to better the core game?
Sajad	Posted - 2010.08.14 00:28:00 - [2369] Originally by: Zeba And since I ran out of space in the last post here is a tidbit for our dear readers in this thread to ponder. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368315 Also in before the usual 'they only did it because we stamped our feet and fussed like little kids everywhere there was a reply to post button' poast. Yeah, damn those customers who actually want something in return.
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.14 00:48:00 - [2370] Originally by: HarrietMiers Edited by: HarrietMiers on 12/08/2010 18:29:59 I think a few newer players and ccp fail to realize the source (or at least one of the sources) of the playerbase's grievance: at one point, 1000 on 1000 was possible. Granted, there would be be slight - 10 to 30 second - module delay. But it was possible and quite epic. We had a taste of pure awesomeness that is this game with minimal lag. It worked! We want it back. Had we never seen fights of this proportion, I doubt you'd see the whining going on in this thread. Too late though, we had a taste and are hooked. We're junkies ccp. Give us our damn junk. Confirming ccp has lost the junk in its trunk and I am no longer attracted to it



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