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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:35:00 -
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All owners of T2 BPOs actually should see their precious T2 BPOs disappear. That is my opinion.
Reasons:
- EVE is just a game, get over it, loss is meaningful, T2 BPO owner tears are best tears, etc. - the T2 BPO owners did make a lot of ISKs with them, so they have nothing to complain about - do not bother the devs with request for new mechanics to sort out old problems, just get rid of the problem as easily as possible and move on --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Except the vast majority of T2 BPO types have a lousier profit-making opportunity compared to most T1 BPOs.
That is not a problem.
Quote: Also, what about people that RECENTLY became T2 BPO owners ?
What about them? They are hardly any different from those who had T2 BPOs for a long time, nor are they much different from those players who never had one.
Quote: Removing T2 BPOs while not radically altering invention means a lot of seldom-used items go away for good. And if you're going to bother the devs to tweak invention to "fix" that too, that'll turn all T2 BPOs into low-actual-value (yet still overpriced) pieces of memorabilia anyway, so why bother removing them anymore ? So... right back at you. There is no actual problem with T2 BPOs, don't bother the devs about it.
No, not right back at me, Akita. Stop being a troll. Players have suggested complex changes to compensate for the remove of T2 BPOs. I think there is no need for complex changes. Just get rid of them. There is a "have and not-have" situation and that is always a problem. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Whitehound There is a "have and not-have" situation and that is always a problem.
In your mind only (and that of people that think like you). In reality, in this game, absolutely not at all.
What are you refering to you? We are not talking about the same thing here. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Apparently, I am talking about how T2 BPOs are not a real problem for actual gameplay ...
Well, Akita, you are not talking. You are showing that you do not care about players who feel an unfairness in how T2 BPOs are distributed and lose yourself in logic, calculation and analysis for no reason. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Explain to me why should I care about the feelings of such whiny little prats that feel "hurt" by the mere existence of T2 BPOs anyway ?
It makes you look less like a whiny little prat who only wishes to keep its T2 BPOs. However, you have given reasons why they can be removed, being no problem for the economy, and so the problem can be solved.
So I still say to remove T2 BPOs. No one is going to miss them according to Akita. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Harris What about the players who don't feel that there is an unfairness in the current state of play?
What about them?! Do you lose anything when the T2 BPOs are being removed? --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Harris Nope, and I don't gain anything either.
Which makes it fair for all.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Harris It's already fair for all.
No, it is not, or else would we not have these threads. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei ... Don't need T2 BPO ...
That is right!
Quote: Work not beg for communism.
T2 BPOs mean less work, removing them means more work, therefore less communism. Win for all. \o/ --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Yes, EVERYBODY loses something if all T2 BPOs are removed without any compensation whatsoever, whether they had a T2 BPO or not.
No. You already said that it has no economic influence. Are you now saying that you were wrong?
CCP has removed several things over the years without any form of compensation. Many NPC buy orders have gone in the past, just recently were the fixed insurances and deep safe spots removed. Now it is time to remove T2 BPOs and let invention rule the market.
T2 BPOs are an anachronism and new players hate them, because it is impossible for them to get any. It is one thing when an old player flies a Titan and a rookie flies in a frigate. It is complete different thing when there is no hope and gives EVE a bad imagine.
And because of Falcon ... --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 22/08/2010 17:02:43
Originally by: Akita T Except that it's not a completely different thing. Or, if you want to call it a completely different things, it's in FAVOUR of the T2 BPOs, not titans.
Again, no. With Titans and frigates is the gap intentional. With T2 BPOs it is accidental, and unawesome for an MMO. T2 BPOs are like a skeleton in the closet of the developers and with everyone knowing that it is there.
I still say to remove T2 BPOs.
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey This may come as a shock to you, ...
This is where I stopped reading your comment. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Again, yes. It's irrelevant how they came to be, it is only relevant that they are here and what you plan to do about them. Removing them outright without any form of compensation would be an even bigger skeleton in CCP's closet. MUCH bigger.
I still want them removed.
Why do you want a compensation?
Quote: Still, if CCP ever removes T2 BPOs without any compensation, I will be seriously pondering something I never pondered before, namely quitting EVE, because I would have had lost all trust in them to use their brains.
You would seriously rage-emo-quit, because of the removal of the T2 BPOs?! --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Because ARBITRARILY REMOVING SOMETHING MOST OWNERS HAVE WORKED HARD FOR (just because of a vocal emotion-driven opposition with no basis in fact or logic wants it so) WITHOUT ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION IS UTTERLY REPULSIVE to me and many others.
It was a lottery, not hard work, that made T2 BPOs available for some players. In comparison, getting a Titan is hard work and a lot of patience.
However, I do not want to deny you a compensation (nor is it for me to give a compensation). I only want to see the T2 BPOs removed. You should however be able to say why you want a compensation instead of using all caps. If you cannot say why you deserve a compensation then how should the developers measure a good compensation?
For the sake of arguing, I still think that the owners of T2 BPOs have an advantage over those who have to use invention and that any compensation for a removal is a mere false perception. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion Please quote where Akita made such a claim.
No, go and set my account on fire. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion People who participated in the lottery worked very hard as your chances increased the more RP you had. People would grind endlessly for RP sometimes over multiple accounts to maximize their chances.
And none of the new players will ever get to know what this was like. So the same question to you: what kind of compensation to you expect to get in return for a removal of the T2 BPOs? Is it skillpoints, ISKs, an apology by CCP?? --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion I don't own any T2 BPOs. I know, probably think I'm lying, but I don't care.
At best, isk compensation. The value that the character paid for it when they bought it at the very least. One could argue that they could get paid the discounted profits for say 5 years as well...or longer. Heck we could discount it out to infinity.
So you believe a T2 BPO has a major, if not infinite, financial advantage for its owner, while at the same time you do not posses a T2 BPO to backup your believe. And you believe that it has this value after some players ran R&D agents and won such a BPO in the lottery. Do you think that this is fair?
CCP is now going to remove the ghost accumulation of RP points. What kind of compensation do you feel necessary to be given here? --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion Linky please.
devblog --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 22/08/2010 20:31:06
Originally by: Akita T ...
I still want to see them removed. I am not interested in hypothetical scenarios or pretty arguments. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T So, basically you're saying "I don't care I have absolutely no good reason, I want CCP to make XYZ happen just because I said so" ?
No. I am saying that I do not have pretty reasons. The good reasons have been mentioned by others before me and do not need repeating. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harris That puts the tally at 2-1 at least. You lose fella.
Seeing you count to three is a win. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.23 07:08:00 -
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Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.23 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 23/08/2010 16:15:15
Originally by: Jovialmadness Im afraid im not here to convince you of anything.
Because you cannot convince me.
Originally by: Mr LaForge I can has your stuff?
Sure you can. I gave it all to Akita. Tell her to give it all to you. I have changed my mind.
Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion I don't have any T2 BPOs. I really don't plan on buying any. ...
That is a really great start for a comment and the point where I should have stopped reading it.
None of it is changing my opinion. --
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