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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.21 11:32:00 -
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Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It would be awesome to be able to travel 1m/s slower than light beside a ray of light and watch it move slowly. Would this be possible even in theory?
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.21 11:32:00 -
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Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It would be awesome to be able to travel 1m/s slower than light beside a ray of light and watch it move slowly. Would this be possible even in theory?
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It would be awesome to be able to travel 1m/s slower than light beside a ray of light and watch it move slowly. Would this be possible even in theory?
No, you couldn't watch it. You and the light would arrive at your destination instantaneously (well, it would appear so to you anyway), no matter how far away that destination was. Sorry.
Even if the trip did last long enough for you to 'see the light', it would still appear to be travelling away from you at the speed of light.
It really isn't fair, is it? ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It would be awesome to be able to travel 1m/s slower than light beside a ray of light and watch it move slowly. Would this be possible even in theory?
No, you couldn't watch it. You and the light would arrive at your destination instantaneously (well, it would appear so to you anyway), no matter how far away that destination was. Sorry.
Even if the trip did last long enough for you to 'see the light', it would still appear to be travelling away from you at the speed of light.
It really isn't fair, is it? ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 21/12/2004 13:05:17
Originally by: Jin Entres Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It's usually explained something like this :
Imagine a spaceship going in circles around you. In the spaceship, there are 2 mirrors : 1 on the floor, and 1 in the roof. Between these mirrors, there is a ray of light bouncing up and down.
To the observer in the spaceship, the ray of light is just bouncing up and down.
To you, it's not that simple. Since the spaceship is moving, there will be a certain angle - the ray of light will move to the left or right (depending on which direction the spaceship is going) at the same time as it's bouncing up and down.
When the ray of light is not simply going up and down anymore, but also a little to the side, its path will be longer. However, since the speed of light is constant to all observers, the ray of light will not appear to be bouncing up and down as fast to you as to the guy in the spaceship, since the speed of light is the same to both of you.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 21/12/2004 13:05:17
Originally by: Jin Entres Could someone explain me how velocity and time are supposedly related? What is the cause and effect explanation as to how velocity affects the genetic aging process and what do the theories about actual time travel base on.
It's usually explained something like this :
Imagine a spaceship going in circles around you. In the spaceship, there are 2 mirrors : 1 on the floor, and 1 in the roof. Between these mirrors, there is a ray of light bouncing up and down.
To the observer in the spaceship, the ray of light is just bouncing up and down.
To you, it's not that simple. Since the spaceship is moving, there will be a certain angle - the ray of light will move to the left or right (depending on which direction the spaceship is going) at the same time as it's bouncing up and down.
When the ray of light is not simply going up and down anymore, but also a little to the side, its path will be longer. However, since the speed of light is constant to all observers, the ray of light will not appear to be bouncing up and down as fast to you as to the guy in the spaceship, since the speed of light is the same to both of you.
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Tyriel Nathos
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Posted - 2004.12.21 13:09:00 -
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Okay, okay, let's settle the topic. What is light? We see it as a particle (I refuse to see it as a wave as well ONLY because it ACTS like one), and it travels at a very high speed. A particle is bound to hit something along its path, and due to the high energy nature of the particle, it either: 1) brushes aside its obstruction while its path is slightly diverted. 2) bounces away at the same speed 3) gets absorbed Its energy cannot be converted to anything else, except heating, so its speed is generally high. But that does not mean it cannot be slowed down - we just haven't found the way to, yet.
Let's put it this way: what is time? I believe its an illusion as well. How can there by another dimension? Everything is just in motion, that's all. The concept it utterly ridiculous to me. Time is merely an illusion of the human mind, and a stock reply made by scientists to explain something that they themselves doubt.
By the way, I'm the 14 year old here...
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Tyriel Nathos
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Posted - 2004.12.21 13:09:00 -
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Okay, okay, let's settle the topic. What is light? We see it as a particle (I refuse to see it as a wave as well ONLY because it ACTS like one), and it travels at a very high speed. A particle is bound to hit something along its path, and due to the high energy nature of the particle, it either: 1) brushes aside its obstruction while its path is slightly diverted. 2) bounces away at the same speed 3) gets absorbed Its energy cannot be converted to anything else, except heating, so its speed is generally high. But that does not mean it cannot be slowed down - we just haven't found the way to, yet.
Let's put it this way: what is time? I believe its an illusion as well. How can there by another dimension? Everything is just in motion, that's all. The concept it utterly ridiculous to me. Time is merely an illusion of the human mind, and a stock reply made by scientists to explain something that they themselves doubt.
By the way, I'm the 14 year old here...
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tyriel Nathos What is light? We see it as a particle (I refuse to see it as a wave as well ONLY because it ACTS like one)
It's probably neither or both tbh...
Originally by: Tyriel Nathos Let's put it this way: what is time? I believe its an illusion as well. How can there by another dimension? Everything is just in motion, that's all. The concept it utterly ridiculous to me. Time is merely an illusion of the human mind, and a stock reply made by scientists to explain something that they themselves doubt.
What's time? Good question. Answer that properly and you'll probably get a Nobel price. It's not an illusion - it's a way of measuring stuff, but it seems to get distorted when things move at a high relative speed, just like some other stuff seems to get weird that way.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tyriel Nathos What is light? We see it as a particle (I refuse to see it as a wave as well ONLY because it ACTS like one)
It's probably neither or both tbh...
Originally by: Tyriel Nathos Let's put it this way: what is time? I believe its an illusion as well. How can there by another dimension? Everything is just in motion, that's all. The concept it utterly ridiculous to me. Time is merely an illusion of the human mind, and a stock reply made by scientists to explain something that they themselves doubt.
What's time? Good question. Answer that properly and you'll probably get a Nobel price. It's not an illusion - it's a way of measuring stuff, but it seems to get distorted when things move at a high relative speed, just like some other stuff seems to get weird that way.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:08:00 -
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Actually it has been proven that you CAN transfer information with a speed faster than light. I think my english is not good enough to explain it to a full extent, but it has been done with Quantum Mechanics and some kind solid object. The information that they tried to transmit "travelled" 3.x time faster than possible by light.
Another thin, i do not know if it has been said before, is that the speed of light is not always the same. It is corresponding the the medium it is travelling through.
Cheers
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:08:00 -
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Actually it has been proven that you CAN transfer information with a speed faster than light. I think my english is not good enough to explain it to a full extent, but it has been done with Quantum Mechanics and some kind solid object. The information that they tried to transmit "travelled" 3.x time faster than possible by light.
Another thin, i do not know if it has been said before, is that the speed of light is not always the same. It is corresponding the the medium it is travelling through.
Cheers
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 21/12/2004 14:17:05
Originally by: MrBinary Buncha EvE geeks trying to act smarter than one another. Classic comedy. <some stuff> And some of you gaming geeks think you have the answer? <some more stuff>
I don't think I have the answers and I'm definitely not the smartest guy playing EVE, but it's an interesting topic so let us discuss in peace
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 21/12/2004 14:17:05
Originally by: MrBinary Buncha EvE geeks trying to act smarter than one another. Classic comedy. <some stuff> And some of you gaming geeks think you have the answer? <some more stuff>
I don't think I have the answers and I'm definitely not the smartest guy playing EVE, but it's an interesting topic so let us discuss in peace
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Evalius Twin
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Evalius Twin on 21/12/2004 14:30:45 I'm with Burzon on this one and my english is not good enough for deep discussion in this topic:(
There are quant physics. Things that share information somehow instantly no mather how great distance...that should mean that somthing travel faster (or dosn't require traveling(??)) then light?
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Evalius Twin
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Evalius Twin on 21/12/2004 14:30:45 I'm with Burzon on this one and my english is not good enough for deep discussion in this topic:(
There are quant physics. Things that share information somehow instantly no mather how great distance...that should mean that somthing travel faster (or dosn't require traveling(??)) then light?
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evalius Twin Edited by: Evalius Twin on 21/12/2004 14:30:45 I'm with Burzon on this one and my english is not good enough for deep discussion in this topic:(
There are quant physics. Things that share information somehow instantly no mather how great distance...that should mean that somthing travel faster (or dosn't require traveling(??)) then light?
I think you are talking about quantum entanglement. The effect is certainly faster than light, but being able to use it to transmit information...that is the real problem. Being a quantum effect it is bound by the uncertainty principle, and uncertain information isn't all that useful. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evalius Twin Edited by: Evalius Twin on 21/12/2004 14:30:45 I'm with Burzon on this one and my english is not good enough for deep discussion in this topic:(
There are quant physics. Things that share information somehow instantly no mather how great distance...that should mean that somthing travel faster (or dosn't require traveling(??)) then light?
I think you are talking about quantum entanglement. The effect is certainly faster than light, but being able to use it to transmit information...that is the real problem. Being a quantum effect it is bound by the uncertainty principle, and uncertain information isn't all that useful. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/12/2004 14:46:22 I'm dissatisfied with the speed of light, it could do faster, it's not quite fast enough by my standards. Where's the manager, I want to file a complaint.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/12/2004 14:46:22 I'm dissatisfied with the speed of light, it could do faster, it's not quite fast enough by my standards. Where's the manager, I want to file a complaint.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:49:00 -
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As i said i cannot explain it completely in english. It is sure not uncertain where the information will be delivered. They actually transmitted a very small amount of information through a solid object at a speed faster than light. The problem is that you would need a solid object between to points to do it which in itself is very impractible when it comes to long distance communication. In addition to this there is a physical theory that describes how you can travel at speeds faster than light and for example backwards in time. Just the usability is a bot out of reach :) And that this form of "warp" travel will not allow you to control anything from inside the travelling object and would require extreme portions of energy.
Cheers
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.12.21 14:49:00 -
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As i said i cannot explain it completely in english. It is sure not uncertain where the information will be delivered. They actually transmitted a very small amount of information through a solid object at a speed faster than light. The problem is that you would need a solid object between to points to do it which in itself is very impractible when it comes to long distance communication. In addition to this there is a physical theory that describes how you can travel at speeds faster than light and for example backwards in time. Just the usability is a bot out of reach :) And that this form of "warp" travel will not allow you to control anything from inside the travelling object and would require extreme portions of energy.
Cheers
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nelisa
Originally by: MrBinary Buncha EvE geeks trying to act smarter than one another. Classic comedy.
Some of this earths brightest minds, spend tens of thousands of dollars, and many years of thier lives studying this stuff in high end universities around the globe.
And some of you gaming geeks think you have the answer?
Yer all a bunch of looooosers. :)
Cheers, MrBinary
Actually Im a college professor with a phd in physics and an interest in quantum mechanics.
So I do know what Im talking about and you shouldnt make broad overgeneralizations about people you know nothing about.
yeah, everyone and their cousin is. and im sure there others in this thread that are huge physics buffs, working for the gov't, what have you.
doesn't change the situation- Mr Binary has it down pat. my hats off to you sir for pointing out the silliness of gaming forum "what is the meaning of life" -esque topics.
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nelisa
Originally by: MrBinary Buncha EvE geeks trying to act smarter than one another. Classic comedy.
Some of this earths brightest minds, spend tens of thousands of dollars, and many years of thier lives studying this stuff in high end universities around the globe.
And some of you gaming geeks think you have the answer?
Yer all a bunch of looooosers. :)
Cheers, MrBinary
Actually Im a college professor with a phd in physics and an interest in quantum mechanics.
So I do know what Im talking about and you shouldnt make broad overgeneralizations about people you know nothing about.
yeah, everyone and their cousin is. and im sure there others in this thread that are huge physics buffs, working for the gov't, what have you.
doesn't change the situation- Mr Binary has it down pat. my hats off to you sir for pointing out the silliness of gaming forum "what is the meaning of life" -esque topics.
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Nelisa
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
yeah, everyone and their cousin is. and im sure there others in this thread that are huge physics buffs, working for the gov't, what have you.
doesn't change the situation- Mr Binary has it down pat. my hats off to you sir for pointing out the silliness of gaming forum "what is the meaning of life" -esque topics.
If you dont want to talk about the topic we are discussing because you think quantum physics is "silly" then please be my guest to not read this thread. No one is forcing you to.
Anyways in response to someones earlier question regarding Van De Whals Forces its the name of the phenomenon that causes the electron clouds of two or more atomic particles to synchronize into opposing polarity cycles, causing the atoms to attract and adhere to each other. Its the fundamental force that makes molecules possible. |
Nelisa
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
yeah, everyone and their cousin is. and im sure there others in this thread that are huge physics buffs, working for the gov't, what have you.
doesn't change the situation- Mr Binary has it down pat. my hats off to you sir for pointing out the silliness of gaming forum "what is the meaning of life" -esque topics.
If you dont want to talk about the topic we are discussing because you think quantum physics is "silly" then please be my guest to not read this thread. No one is forcing you to.
Anyways in response to someones earlier question regarding Van De Whals Forces its the name of the phenomenon that causes the electron clouds of two or more atomic particles to synchronize into opposing polarity cycles, causing the atoms to attract and adhere to each other. Its the fundamental force that makes molecules possible. |
Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.12.21 18:02:00 -
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so... if some dude in another galixy pointed a laser pointer at us... and he was going almost the speed of light, away from the earth...
could we see the laser going like 1 foot per second?
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i |
Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.12.21 18:02:00 -
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so... if some dude in another galixy pointed a laser pointer at us... and he was going almost the speed of light, away from the earth...
could we see the laser going like 1 foot per second?
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i |
Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.12.21 18:03:00 -
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and what if 2 galixys are going in oppsite direction each at 3/4 the speed of light...
then they would never see eachother?
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i |
Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.12.21 18:03:00 -
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and what if 2 galixys are going in oppsite direction each at 3/4 the speed of light...
then they would never see eachother?
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i |
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