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Lloyd Faradan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:37:00 -
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Heya,
My month-old corp was war-decced by two merc corps that fly nothing but HACs and T3 cruisers. As far as I can see we basically have these choices:
1. Fight in frigates until the stargates get clogged with our wrecks. 2. Fight in appropriate ships for our skill level, cruisers, BC, frigs, etc. 3. Disband the corp. 4. Join Faction Warfare?
I don't want to do number one ONLY because the mercs apparently get paid (I think 25m) per kill they get on us. That's just plain mean as far as I see it. If that wasn't the case I'd be more inclined to fight if only for the practice, but it would be a slaughter every time. Frustration!
I don't want to do number two because then we'd run out of isk and be unable to replenish it. Even if we get lucky and manage to kill an Ishtar or something we'd still be out hundreds of millions of isk in BC that we couldn't pay back.
I don't want to do number three.
Does option four end the wardec or does it continue on? Do I have no options here?
I obviously love EVE and I obviously want to continue playing and loving it as much as I want that for my corp mates as well, but it's a little bit like technologically deficient natives fighting back against powerful aggressors, and we don't even have the numbers to make that work since they outnumber us both in pure pilot numbers as well as active pilots on during peak times.
So... is there some option or angle that I haven't looked at for this?
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Granolla
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:03:00 -
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Maybe you should find out who's paying them 25 mill/kill...
Then you could either
A)apologize to them and talk it out B)kill them
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Lloyd Faradan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:06:00 -
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I know who's paying them but he's in an alliance so I can't war dec him.. well,... I could but I'm not about to compound my problems and drain my wallet.
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Downtym
Amarr Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lloyd Faradan Heya,
My month-old corp was war-decced by two merc corps that fly nothing but HACs and T3 cruisers. As far as I can see we basically have these choices:
1. Fight in frigates until the stargates get clogged with our wrecks. 2. Fight in appropriate ships for our skill level, cruisers, BC, frigs, etc. 3. Disband the corp. 4. Join Faction Warfare?
I don't want to do number one ONLY because the mercs apparently get paid (I think 25m) per kill they get on us. That's just plain mean as far as I see it. If that wasn't the case I'd be more inclined to fight if only for the practice, but it would be a slaughter every time. Frustration!
I don't want to do number two because then we'd run out of isk and be unable to replenish it. Even if we get lucky and manage to kill an Ishtar or something we'd still be out hundreds of millions of isk in BC that we couldn't pay back.
I don't want to do number three.
Does option four end the wardec or does it continue on? Do I have no options here?
I obviously love EVE and I obviously want to continue playing and loving it as much as I want that for my corp mates as well, but it's a little bit like technologically deficient natives fighting back against powerful aggressors, and we don't even have the numbers to make that work since they outnumber us both in pure pilot numbers as well as active pilots on during peak times.
So... is there some option or angle that I haven't looked at for this?
Option 5. Cut a deal with the mercs to split the money if you feed them kills. Make some free-clone alts and just toss their rookie ships and pods at the mercs until they're rich. Hope they give you a split (Pro-tip: They won't).
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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:08:00 -
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take two weeks holiday and dismantle your pos(es). they'll get bored of having no targets after a week. ___ Space for Rent, free beer for signature, preferably with colours! (no pink) |
Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lloyd Faradan I know who's paying them but he's in an alliance so I can't war dec him.. well,... I could but I'm not about to compound my problems and drain my wallet.
Somebody's paying them 25 million per kill? Fly frigates, and bankrupt the guy who hired them.
Don't do it in a slow trickle, so the payer realizes the cost and cancels the merc contract. Go out and lose a hundred frigates or pods in one day, preferably when the payer's CEO is not online.
If the mercs will agree to give you a kickback, then all the better.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Downtym Option 5. Cut a deal with the mercs to split the money if you feed them kills. Make some free-clone alts and just toss their rookie ships and pods at the mercs until they're rich. Hope they give you a split (Pro-tip: They won't).
Barring any "no rookie ships or shuttles" stipulations in the Mercs' contract, do the above.
Even if you dont get a cut, you'll still have your antagonist paying out 25 million a go each time you throw away another free ibis.
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Lloyd Faradan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Downtym
Option 5. Cut a deal with the mercs to split the money if you feed them kills. Make some free-clone alts and just toss their rookie ships and pods at the mercs until they're rich. Hope they give you a split (Pro-tip: They won't).
Actually already tried that. Of course I didn't trust his reply.
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Lloyd Faradan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:31:00 -
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The real trouble is, I don't know for sure if they're actually being paid 25m per kill. That seems to be the current information I have, but it could be a lie or it could have been built up a little as it passed through a few mouths.
I need to confirm that a little either way to make a decision. If they're not paid per kill then we can fly frigate fleets. If they are paid per kill.. uh.. then we can fly frigate fleets.
Weird, maybe we should just do that anyway.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:34:00 -
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After this war is over, go declare war on somebody weaker and less organized than even yourselves. It's a great way to let off steam, rebuild morale, and continue the "circle of life" that makes EVE so much fun.
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Makko Gray
Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:36:00 -
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Taking them on directly certainly doesn't seem an option but you probably have a couple more than mentioned.
You could pause training on you mains and use another account slot for a new char, might be something nice for a week or two while you wait for the dec to come to an end.
Or you could try more guerilla tactics - head on they'll have you beat at every turn but if you can mount a small but quick force you could have some fun trying to locate the stragglers not flying with the main merc fit i.e. those who've just logged on and yet to join the group or those who are doing a little logistics.
Although I'd hope most merc corps will run most of that stuff on alts you'll occassionaly find some sat in a hauler or a barge - just try make sure it's not a trap.
If you get trapped in a system or at a station by them though your nights probably over.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 28/07/2010 20:00:53
Originally by: Lloyd Faradan Heya,
My month-old corp was war-decced by two merc corps that fly nothing but HACs and T3 cruisers. As far as I can see we basically have these choices:
1. Fight in frigates until the stargates get clogged with our wrecks. 2. Fight in appropriate ships for our skill level, cruisers, BC, frigs, etc. 3. Disband the corp. 4. Join Faction Warfare?
I don't want to do number one ONLY because the mercs apparently get paid (I think 25m) per kill they get on us. That's just plain mean as far as I see it. If that wasn't the case I'd be more inclined to fight if only for the practice, but it would be a slaughter every time. Frustration!
I don't want to do number two because then we'd run out of isk and be unable to replenish it. Even if we get lucky and manage to kill an Ishtar or something we'd still be out hundreds of millions of isk in BC that we couldn't pay back.
I don't want to do number three.
Does option four end the wardec or does it continue on? Do I have no options here?
I obviously love EVE and I obviously want to continue playing and loving it as much as I want that for my corp mates as well, but it's a little bit like technologically deficient natives fighting back against powerful aggressors, and we don't even have the numbers to make that work since they outnumber us both in pure pilot numbers as well as active pilots on during peak times.
So... is there some option or angle that I haven't looked at for this?
My second month in game with my original toon and my corp of 3 RL friends was war dec'd by a 50 man corp because we can flipped one of their miners.
We had had 1 other war dec by another guy that had taught us a little bit, so we decided to go on the offensive and hit them on our terms not theirs, to keep from being camped in stations. (learned this hard way with the 1st WD)
We ended up out killing them by the end of the war dec in both ISK and ship kills with a Ishtar kill and a Megathron kill as icing on the cake. (was nice kills for 2 month old noobs)
Granted we were not fighting Mercs but just some average corp so they weren't that great at PVP which made things a bit easier on us. I would suggest though if you decide to fight them, make them fight on your terms and never fight on theirs.
Always stay mobile and try not to fight them straight up, look for targets of opportunity that are split up away from the rest of them but be careful of traps.
The reason I say stay mobile is because it will force them to scout for you, which will split them up allowing you to set up kills on targets of opportunity. If you stay in a home system or two, it allows them to keep their numbers maximized and you want to avoid that by keep your gang together so you have max numbers while splitting their up.
Another thing we did as a corp during our war dec was move into low sec. This put us at an advantage because we were a smaller more mobile corp and flew cheap t1 frigs & cruisers. The other corp was flying BC's, Hacs and so on which put them at a disadvantage because they had to worry about pirate gangs. (we befriended a few of the local pirates as well, which helped us out a bit)
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Lloyd Faradan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:09:00 -
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Thank you all, your replies have been very helpful and enlightening. I'll try to do my best to incorporate this advice.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:48:00 -
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My wardec reaction plan when I was still doing my little carebear thing was going to be stick a caretaker CEO in charge and go to RVB until the deccers got bored.
But I like the idea of throwing cheap frigs at them and costing their employer lots of isk. Have everyone make cheap alts to stick in the corp so you can protect your mains combat stats and then buy a bunch of the cheapest frigates you can find and just keep throwing them at the mercs.
If they give you a kickback all the better but the objective is to cost the person funding the Dec as much is as you can.
Be sure to communicate with the Mercs to see if there are any additional criteria they have to meet and match it.If there is for instance a bounty on your corpse tell the mercs that if you they will advance you a percentage of it you'll let them have one (preferably an empty one).
Bonus points if you can get the Mercs to fund your hulls.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lloyd Faradan
4. Join Faction Warfare?
Joining FW as a corp won't end the wardec, I believe if they attack you they will be agressed to the entire militia (someone C/D please). It also means easy living in low sec and plenty of pvp. _______
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Gordin Brott
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lloyd Faradan
4. Join Faction Warfare?
As stated above, this involves going into lowsec. You would be astonished by the number of mercs who are unwilling to take their faction/t3 pwnmobiles into a 0.4 system. The pirates/militia corps/random passers by line up for the chance to jump them and farm them for juicy killmails. Try it for a bit. If they follow you, then at the very least they are bigger fish than you in a pool which is routinely dragnetted by the locals for juicy catches.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:43:00 -
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If i was wardecced by a corp getting paid 25mil for each kill on me, this is what I would do:
Convo them, and cut a deal saying you will continue to undock in a cheap industrial over and over letting them pop you each time if they split the isk with you.
Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
Joining FW as a corp won't end the wardec, I believe if they attack you they will be agressed to the entire militia (someone C/D please). It also means easy living in low sec and plenty of pvp.
No, they wont be agressed to the other militias.
However, there are quite a few veterans in FW that wont mind going GCC to defend their own. Get some pvp experience in FW, make friends with big ships and go to town on them.
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Smabs
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Posted - 2010.07.29 01:20:00 -
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Faction warfare would probably be the most fun thing to do. Or even just fly frigates in lowsec while the wardec goes on.
If they do fly their hacs and t3 into lowsec they'll be pretty sure to attract attention from the locals. Plus if you're just flying frigs the worst thing that can happpen is that you lose a few mil and have some fun in the process.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.29 02:37:00 -
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Set up a War Dec Refuge Summer Home in Beautiful Solitude!
Since your war is going live soon you may not have time for this now but consider it for the future. Move a modest supply of modules and ships to Solitude using blockade runners (if someone in corp has the skill) or warp stabbed industrials with a scout. Destination: Solitude.
The High sec systems in the region are desolate of much life, as the name implies, and many systems are in single route pipes. This makes them easy to scout from a defensive standpoint.
Run missions there to gain standing for better agents or refine if your corp also does mining. If your corp does mine, consider taking a few BPCs with you to produce ships, modules, and ammunition. Stock up your hangers this way as you will be a loooong way from Jita and the prices in Octanneve are theft. Once you have adequate standings and a well stocked hangar, install jump clones in your new summer home and return to empire proper. (Jump clone service is easy and free if you use Estels's corp.)
Next time your corp gets decced evaluate your response as you are doing now. If you see little or nothing will be gained by fighting jump clone to Solitude and continue corp actions as normal except post scouts in the pipe. If a war target comes in local dock up.
There are only 2 ways into Solitude. Aridia and Syndicate. Both are sprawling with rabid pvpers. Your mercs will have to be paid damned well to risk their shinny ships on the voyage to spend a week there hunting you and little else to do. If they do make the trip you can fight, dock, or just jump back to HQ and make them follow the long way. (back through the gauntlet)
Evemail me in game if you have any questions about this.
Patri
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Damien Smith
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.29 08:41:00 -
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+1 on moving to lowsec.
Move to a heavily travelled (and therefore usually gatecamped) system (Ostingele in Placid springs to mind) and fly nothing but t1 fitted t1 frigates. You may lose several ships to pirates, but so will they. Also, if you fly together in a frigate blob at all times you might even get some nice kills on war targets/outlaws.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.29 08:50:00 -
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The easiest way to respond to a wardec by a much bigger, more experienced corp/alliance is either to take an eve holliday and wait for them to get bored, or make a holding alt and go join RvB.
Personally (I'm already in FW) I would join factional warfare and move to losec. Or even better, ask a pirate corp what their application requirements are and join them if they'll let you (but there is a good chance they'll let you join just so that they can kill you as well).
Some merc corps will readily fight in losec, the really good ones, but most are scared of losing their pimped out ships to FW blobs and pirate gangs.
However, in terms of learning to pvp, you'll probably be far better off at least giving them a bit of a fight. Keeping your stuff distributed will help as will having good intel (get a trial alt to sit on a gate and watch for them or go out and watch for station campers). If you can get the drop on them a number of times without them making big enough inroads into your isk making abilities, they might quit.
Or they might not. It'll be a good learning experience all the same.
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Starnap
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:50:00 -
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Jump 6 or so T1 cruisers into their HAC blob and kill one. You'll lose all your ships so fit cheap. No-one enjoys losing HACs.
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Aerion Va'rr
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.29 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 29/07/2010 12:08:59 Solution.. Make Off-Grid Undock Bookmarks..
All You Need is.
1x Vigil or Slasher 1x MWD 3x Overdrive 3x Polycarbon Engine Housing Rigs.
Undock From Station. Turn on MWD. Go to sleep, wake up, bookmark location...
Next time you undock during your 15 seconds of 'invulnerability' warp to that bookmark, just dont sit there when you land, move somewhere else.
Change Regions; (If the need arises, make a Neutral Hauling alt, having him move you **** or have Red Frog do it for very little ISK), Enjoy Vacation.
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Daool
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Posted - 2010.07.29 12:59:00 -
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Possibly a stupid idea - but would a gung ho pirate corp love the idea of a carebear corp moving into their space for a week or 2 trailing a bunch of juicy T3 targets??
Convo a few of the bigger/better pirate corps. Even if the pirates kill some/all of your ships you'll have some PVP fun and maybe get to watch your merc's loose a T3 or two??
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: X Gallentius on 29/07/2010 17:22:08 Continually undock in unfitted, insured T1 frigs and die (spam warp while getting shot). Their sponsor will quickly go broke, or will quit paying - leading to end of war dec.
Edit: Already suggested...
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:45:00 -
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Maybe not an option for your corp right now but another idea is to move into a WH for awhile, just try not to keep any corp members in the connecting empire systems that they can use a locate agent on and find the WH entrance. Think this would cause the most frustration. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come shoot at me, I live in Heimatar. Please? |
Draco Rosso
Caldari Draconian Armada
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Posted - 2010.07.29 18:03:00 -
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My suggestion is pretty simple go afk in tama station for a week and play Star Craft 2. This probably the most dangerous low sec system in eveonline, and the mercs will sure to be caught in the cross fire between all the factions that frequent the system. Most Militia corps donĘt mind going global criminal if the target is juicy enough and is hanging out on the top belt. Website http://draconianarmada.com/
Recruitment thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1316229
Application center http://draconianarmada.com/forums/index.php?board=3 |
Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari Set up a War Dec Refuge Summer Home in Beautiful Solitude!
This post made me laugh, but it's quite good advice.
If you're a part of a smallish highsec corp that can't readily defend itself, having a far-flung base to lay low will keep you from taking forced vacations or spending a lot of your days spinning in station.
There are a good number of decent lowsec, island, and npc nullsec systems worth checking out for this purpose. Do your homework and find a site that works for your corp. You should have plenty of free time to do this while you cower in station.
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:43:00 -
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Option 6 Hire a merc corp to dec the other merc corps
try Night Wolves they reputable.
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