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Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 87	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:46:00 - [1] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i just don't see the point in having an ore bay bigger than 1 cycle if it's not going to be able to fit 2 cycles of ore. there's no reason the hulk shouldn't have an ore bay equal to the skiff's. I did some math on the yields for a Hulk and 2 cycles without MLU2s and no fleet support will take almost 8k m3 space. So, after your first cycle, you make a little room in your ore hold by moving some to your cargo hold and fill up at the end of the second cycle. That seems to be the logic for 7500 m3 instead of 5500 m3. The other two ships get about 11.74 and 5.47 cycles before their holds fill up without fleet and MLU support. (8 and 4 with) Drox
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 87	Posted - 2012.07.24 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote Dave stark wrote: mining in a hulk without fitting 2 mlus... doing it oh so wrong. worst justification ever for ******** cargo size. I didn't say I liked it. And if you check the other thread, you'll see I'm arguing for 11k ore hold. I was just pointing out why it wasn't a 5500 m3 ore hold. Drox
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 87	Posted - 2012.07.24 13:16:00 - [3] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i appreciate they want to keep the cargo space to 8k, which is fine. however i'd like to see them move more space away from the ore bay back to regular cargo. keep the ore bay big enough for 1 fully maxed out cycle then the rest of the space for regular cargo because as another person pointed out; there isn't enough room for a full compliment of crystals, especially with 3 strips. Ditto As it is, you can have 10+3 crystals. So, you can have crystals for 3 ores with a spare each and one more extra or crystals for 4 ores and one spare (or singleton ore). I wonder if they will remove my rigs for me, or if I'll have some extra room? I've used cargo rigs to get my cargo space over two cycles worth of yield, but the lows are used for MLU2s. BTW, does the Ore hold mean I can stash my mining barge in the SMB without emptying the ore out? I've managed to sneak extra PI stuff around by putting it in the PI bay of the Primae and carrying it around before. Drox
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 87	Posted - 2012.07.24 13:53:00 - [4] - Quote Sandrestal wrote: Yes I know. Just that the Hulk, being way more expensive, should be doing more and doing it better than any other mining vessel. The Hulk will pull more ore/hour than any other mining ship. But you will have to jetcan mine or mine with hauling support. The Mackinaw has a built in hauler at the expense of some yield, but it is still a respectable yield on par with a cargo space fitted Hulk of today. The "Best" simply has choices now based on what you value most. Drox
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 88	Posted - 2012.07.24 16:58:00 - [5] - Quote Nevryn Takis wrote: Dorian Wylde wrote: Just that, the changes aren't live yet, and for all we know they'll be adjusting the cost of each ship the same way they're adjusting the training times. Really.. how exactly do you do that for a T2 exhumer whose cost is dictated by the -4ME BPC from invention .. dish out a few more BPO's to a select few in a raffle?? Unlike regular capsuleers, CCP has god-like powers to edit all BPs to use different numbers. The BOM can change. They have said that they will look at them for the frigates and other ships as they redo them. Drox
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 90	Posted - 2012.07.25 22:19:00 - [6] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: There is also a finite limit. Only so many roids in all of eve every daily cycle before DT replaces them. Miners can only mine that much and no more per day. If ship building demand exceeded that supply then the dynamics all change. This could happen if eve grew enough. I wonder what percentage of roids are mined out daily right now on eve? Security Missions frequently have real asteroids. 0.0 Upgraded systems have gravimetric sites that respawn upon being used up. Wormhole gravimetric sites respawn in other wormholes of the same class when they are mined out. There is infinite supply of ore, it just gets harder and harder to find as the belts get used up. Drox

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