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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:33:00 -
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hulk bonuses are unchanged so (so it's mining yield is unchanged) so we can figure out all the mining rates relative to a hulk
these calculations are based on Exhumers V/Barge V char, for mining rock not ice - this is without MLUs
Ship - Strips * modifiers = effective # of strip mining modules
Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15
Covetor - 3 strips * 1.2 (barge V) = 3.6 Retriever - 2 strips * 1.5 (role bonus) = 3 strips Procurer - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) = 3 strips
or % relative to a hulk
Mackinaw: 79.4% Skiff: 79.4%
Covetor: 90.7% Retriever: 75.6% Procurer: 75.6%
note: there is now an ice mining and a mercoxit rig
see thread in the test server forum
note: more posts to come, i'm going to try to find ships with comparable stats (CPU/PG/HP) to post side-by-side I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
369
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:55:00 -
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Thanks for following up on this. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
880
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:56:00 -
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I do hope ore goes directly into the ore bay when mined. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
369
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:57:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I do hope ore goes directly into the ore bay when mined. That would be awesome. Don't get your hopes up! Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
509
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:00:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I do hope ore goes directly into the ore bay when mined.
They were talking about that, iirc FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:04:00 -
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more information dump
Ship: Shield/Armor/Structure - L/M/H slots - CPU/PG
Hulk: 2500 / 2300 / 2700 - 2/4/3 - 300/35 Mackinaw: 4000 / 3700 / 4300 - 3/4/2 - 270/35 Skiff: 6500 / 5500 / 6000 - 2/5/1 - 270/50
Covetor: 2200 / 1800 / 2000 - 2/1/3 - 225/35 Retriever: 3800 / 3200 / 3500 - 3/1/2 - 235/35 Procurer: 6000 / 5000 / 5500 - 250/45
(note: i used a no skill char in EFT to get the PG when i was unchanged.. so i'm not 100% sure that is correct)
Cargo/Ore bay capacities Hulk: 500/7500 Mackinaw: 350/25000 (+10% ore hold per mining barge skill level) Skiff: 350 / 17500
Covetor: 500/7000 Retriver: 350/20000 (+10% ore hold per mining barge skill level) Procurer: 350/15000
next up: finding ships with similar base hitpoints I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
880
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:07:00 -
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The problem is a 500 m3 cargohold is even a small for one strip miner, so hence the ore going directly to the ore bay would be a requirement.
Modulated Strip Miner II: 360 m3/cycle T2 Mining Crystal: 1.75
360 m3 * 1.75 = 630 m3 and skills and ship bonuses haven't even been included yet!
On an slightly unrelated note, rookie ships getting powergrids boosted to 20 MW means a cyno can be fitted without a MAPC |
Ron Maudieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:16:00 -
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Woah, retriever has 3 highs? I'm liking this change already. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:20:00 -
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Ron Maudieu wrote:Woah, retriever has 3 highs? I'm liking this change already.
3 lows I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:21:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I do hope ore goes directly into the ore bay when mined. That would be awesome. Don't get your hopes up!
They have already said that it will do this. largely because there will be no cargo rigs that will effect the size of the ore bay if you need overflow into your cargo you will have to move it manually. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
509
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:22:00 -
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50% bonus to strip output. so effectively 3 strip miners. Procurer gets 1 miner. but with +200% output. so effectively 3 miners. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:22:00 -
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Skiff and Mack with those huge ore bays? + the ability to fix mercoxit/ice rigs to them is pretty A*. Love it. |
Ron Maudieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:23:00 -
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ahh I misread, still though, the ore space is nice, means I won't need to train for a hauler :) |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:27:00 -
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you still need to train for a hauler, but not for your ore (for your minerals :P)
i'm going to try to alter pyfa to update it with the new stats (pyfa use an sqllite database) I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:42:00 -
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Ron Maudieu wrote:ahh I misread, still though, the ore space is nice, means I won't need to train for a hauler :) I'll always need a hauler. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Arele
Valar Morghulis. Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:48:00 -
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Now if they would add some sense into the size of mining crystals, and allow the Rorqual lines to be able to pull / deposit directly to / from the ore bay by default. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:05:00 -
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i was able to get the tanking attributes of the hulk modified - and here is the fit comparison for the following fit [which requires a CPU implant]
[Hulk, Highsec Gank proof] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
EFT stats (current): 30,235 EHP (20034 shield / 2292 armor / 7909 structure), 107 dps shield tank [passive recharge], Pyfa (test server tank): 42,638 [29814 shield / 5010 armor / 7812 structure), 99.382 dps shield tank [passive recharge]
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
40
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:09:00 -
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Are the shield/armour resists changed?
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Scapogo
Smurf Club
3
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:15:00 -
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Anyone did calculations for ice mining? I did try it but failed somehow, cant find my error :/ |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:17:00 -
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updated the mackinaw's EHP/slot/CPU stats and i was able to make this fit
[Mackinaw, Inferno 1.2 test]
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Basic EM Ward Amplifier Medium Shield Extender II Residual Survey Scanner I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Pyfa EHP: 44919 [ 24 358 shield, 8061 armor, 12500 hull ]
effective mining output: 3.99 strip miner IIs I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:27:00 -
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The skiff just made me **** in my pants (j/k)
[Skiff, inferno 1.2 test]
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
effective mining output: 3.54 strip miners EHP: 106,993 [76 260 shield / 11982 armor / 18750 hull] shield resists: 82.2 / 77.4 / 83.0 / 84.2 tank (passive recharge) 407 HP/s
I now crown the new king of 0.0 mining. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:32:00 -
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What are the stats on the ice and mercoxit rigs? |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:37:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:What are the stats on the ice and mercoxit rigs?
ice rig: iceHarvestCycleBonus: -12.0
mercoxit rig: miningAmountBonus: 16.0
note: only one mining rig may be used on a ship
another skiff fit
[Skiff, inferno 1.2 test2]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
84.4k ehp, 365 ehp recharge tank I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Talon Kitsune
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:38:00 -
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Denidil wrote:effective mining output: 3.54 strip miners EHP: 106,993 [76 260 shield / 11982 armor / 18750 hull] shield resists: 82.2 / 77.4 / 83.0 / 84.2 tank (passive recharge) 407 HP/s
And it'd still have a respectable cargo capacity, higher than most current hulks not afk spec'd. Yeah, if anyone's getting ganked after 1.2 by the 2 week alt on a catalyst with options like this out there, they are doing something seriously wrong. This thing could shrug off a nado gank. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:41:00 -
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have ice/mercox bonuses been removed from ships?
also i'll take back the bad things i said about the mackinaw, nearly 40k cargo space is nothing to be sniffed at. the cargo is large enough for it's niche to be worth while. in fact, i might even use one myself. especially since it has an extra low for an additional MLU if the cpu can support it to bring it even closer in line with the hulk.
overall good changes imo. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:42:00 -
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Talon Kitsune wrote:Denidil wrote:effective mining output: 3.54 strip miners EHP: 106,993 [76 260 shield / 11982 armor / 18750 hull] shield resists: 82.2 / 77.4 / 83.0 / 84.2 tank (passive recharge) 407 HP/s And it'd still have a respectable cargo capacity, higher than most current hulks not afk spec'd. Yeah, if anyone's getting ganked after 1.2 by the 2 week alt on a catalyst with options like this out there, they are doing something seriously wrong. This thing could shrug off a nado gank.
a hulk with 2x expanded cargohold IIs and 2x cargohold optimization I rigs is 17199m3 with tech 2 rigs it is 18727m3
the mackinaw i listed above is 37500 (skills) and 50% more EHP than a "FU tanked" hulk - and the FU fitted tank has to give up it's MLUs which gives the mackinaw more mining output I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:42:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:have ice/mercox bonuses been removed from ships?
also i'll take back the bad things i said about the mackinaw, nearly 40k cargo space is nothing to be sniffed at. the cargo is large enough for it's niche to be worth while. in fact, i might even use one myself. especially since it has an extra low for an additional MLU if the cpu can support it to bring it even closer in line with the hulk.
overall good changes imo.
yes they have been removed - they've been moved to rigs I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:45:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:have ice/mercox bonuses been removed from ships?
also i'll take back the bad things i said about the mackinaw, nearly 40k cargo space is nothing to be sniffed at. the cargo is large enough for it's niche to be worth while. in fact, i might even use one myself. especially since it has an extra low for an additional MLU if the cpu can support it to bring it even closer in line with the hulk.
overall good changes imo. yes they have been removed - they've been moved to rigs
good, this was the one place ccp were going to fail (if anywhere) with these changes. glad to see they realised how op the mackinaw would be if the ice bonus remained. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
370
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:46:00 -
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Lot of good changes there. Looks like I gotta do some work on IPH soon. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:59:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Lot of good changes there. Looks like I gotta do some work on IPH soon.
do you have a fitting tool in it? otherwise you don't really need to change anything - hulk w/ 2 MLUs is still king. a skiff or mackinaw with 2 MLUs comes out just above a hulk with no MLUs I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
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