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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:09:00 -
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Dave stark wrote: granted, i still don't see the issue with a 30k ehp mining ship with max yield though.
if we could kill a carrier in 30 seconds with a meta fit mael then there'd be tears galore on here. all ccp have done is stopped that happening on a smaller scale. destroyers vs exhumers.
if people want to cry about having to put in real effort to ganking an expensive t2 ship then i'll laugh at them as they laughed at miners. if we were getting 100k ehp skiffs mining more than hulks then yeah you'd have a point. however they don't.
edit; besides when picking between yield, tank, and cargo we have to pick entirely different ships which costs more than a few modules costs.
That's what miners get for whining when they could have just learned to tank their Hulks.
A Carrier is a Logistics ship without maneuverability. Of course it's tanky. It has to be. It's designed for Combat. A Hulk isn't designed to be a brick, it's designed to mine in a convenient manner. You want a brick miner, the Rokh's your toy.
A Hulk can be tanked enough that it can't be profitably ganked. If the gankers bring outside help (GSF bounties) to change that, and the Hulk pilot brings outside help (Blap Nado, RR, ECM), the gankers still lose at making a profit.
Price is not a balancing factor the way miners seem to think it is.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888211
This 100b ratting ship got killed by a gang worth not more than 4-5b Isk. And that gang didn't lose anything significant. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1646
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:09:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:granted, i still don't see the issue with a 30k ehp mining ship with max yield though.
Current mining ISK/hr is based on people fielding max-tanked exhumers, sacrificing yield. The people who are not prepared to sacrifice yield for tank either get blown up, or do something else in the meantime. Thus there is less competition, thus the time spent mining is worth more ISK/hr.
The perpetual Hulkageddon is good for my income, because the predators are thinning out the prey. The predators are making the surviving prey more valuable. It's evolution in action: the people who aren't good enough to survive a gank, are removed from the pool.
All of these ships could use an nerf to the point where the Hulk is unchanged except for the ice harvesting bonus, with the others brought down in proportion. As you pointed out, we'd all love being able to run around in 200k EHP maelstroms that can still deal maximum DPS. That's what this buff has done to mining ships.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Tassian Marrix
Spatial Interaction inc. Event Horizon Protocol
0
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:36:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: A Hulk can be tanked enough that it can't be profitably ganked.
If only this were true.
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Haffsol
Froody Guys Spaceships Business
7
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:49:00 -
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I think the only problem (oh well you would say "whining") about mining barges was the cost:gankability ratio, meaning that a 300 mil hull couldn't be killed by a couple of 2 weeks old toons in a 3 mil worth ships _in high sec_
I agree that some miners deserve it, no doubt, since fitting a 1.6 billion hulk with ore strip miners and cargohold expanders is just horrible, but anyway the equation was unbalanced. Now CCP apparently did what was to be done, giving barges roles and more ehp so that they can't be ganked in such a rdicule way as it was before.
Imho the hulk hadn't the deserved treatment tho, since its role hasn't changed at all. Yeah it's the king of yield, but well.... the buff received by the others make them way preferable in almost every situation, be it a skiff or a mack or even a covetor...... they could fit the same "role" as the hulk by a fair 90% of the yield doubling the ehp. And they cost less.
So, even if I personally think having a decent amount of ehp for the hulk is indeed a great and nice change, I still see things like the hulk lost his role in real everyday space life
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Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:11:00 -
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There are a couple things I keep seeing that I would like to clear up.
The mining barge is a mining ship. The Rokh is not a mining ship. The Rokh is a railgun sniping platform that conveniently has enough low slots, turret hardpoints and CPU to be the best non-barge mining ship in the game. Anyone who says a miner should use a Rokh to have a tanked mining vessel has never tried serious mining in either a barge or Rokh or both.
Anyone who assumes that the Hulk is getting shafted because the other barges are getting buffed underestimates how mind-numbingly boring mining can be. There is more to mining than ISK per hour, m3 yield per hour, hauling time. It is a boring task that yields so-so ISK/hour but can be more rewarding in a group. Coincidentally, group mining is what the Hulk and Orca are made for.
Also I would like to point out, AFK mining capabilities of the Procurer and Retriever hulls will have far greater effect on ice mining since you don't have to switch targets very often while ice mining. I think AFK mining options will be more limited for ore mining.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
515
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:23:00 -
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Traedar wrote: Also I would like to point out, AFK mining capabilities of the Procurer and Retriever hulls will have far greater effect on ice mining since you don't have to switch targets very often while ice mining. I think AFK mining options will be more limited for ore mining.
Unless you're doing The Spod, to flip a belt. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:35:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote: granted, i still don't see the issue with a 30k ehp mining ship with max yield though.
if we could kill a carrier in 30 seconds with a meta fit mael then there'd be tears galore on here. all ccp have done is stopped that happening on a smaller scale. destroyers vs exhumers.
if people want to cry about having to put in real effort to ganking an expensive t2 ship then i'll laugh at them as they laughed at miners. if we were getting 100k ehp skiffs mining more than hulks then yeah you'd have a point. however they don't.
edit; besides when picking between yield, tank, and cargo we have to pick entirely different ships which costs more than a few modules costs.
That's what miners get for whining when they could have just learned to tank their Hulks. A Carrier is a Logistics ship without maneuverability. Of course it's tanky. It has to be. It's designed for Combat. A Hulk isn't designed to be a brick, it's designed to mine in a convenient manner. You want a brick miner, the Rokh's your toy. A Hulk can be tanked enough that it can't be profitably ganked. If the gankers bring outside help (GSF bounties) to change that, and the Hulk pilot brings outside help (Blap Nado, RR, ECM), the gankers still lose at making a profit. Price is not a balancing factor the way miners seem to think it is. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888211This 100b ratting ship got killed by a gang worth not more than 4-5b Isk. And that gang didn't lose anything significant.
that link doesn't work, so i can't really comment. if it's some moron in a faction fit tengu not paying attention to local in a 0.0 system then it's really not a valid argument since we're talking about empire space. in 0.0 a lone rifter can kill anything if some dumb bastard is just sitting there afk for long enough. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:15:00 -
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Titan + SC = very expensive loss. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:29:00 -
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I posted some of my initial testing results in the SiSi feedback forum here. |
Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:29:00 -
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Sorry if I missed it, but has anyone tried ASB fits yet? |
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:28:00 -
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i'm back early from my camping trip
No ships have inherent bonuses to certain types of mining anymore (ie no mack bonus for ice, skiff bonus for mercoxit, etc)
Sandrestal wrote:One problem I see is can flippers will have a field day with solo miners in high sec. Using expanders you could get 17k m3 of cargo in a hulk. Now you have to be dumping ore into a jet can every cycle. Way to go ccp.
USE A MACKINAW. 37500m3 ore hold! for **** sake, CCP is making you make a tradeoff - and not a terribly bad one - of somewhat lower yield for less attention required.
Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:i was able to get the tanking attributes of the hulk modified - and here is the fit comparison for the following fit [which requires a CPU implant]
[Hulk, Highsec Gank proof]
EFT stats (current): 30,235 EHP (20034 shield / 2292 armor / 7909 structure), 107 dps shield tank [passive recharge], Pyfa (test server tank): 42,638 [29814 shield / 5010 armor / 7812 structure), 99.382 dps shield tank [passive recharge]
How does that compare to my current fit (requires EG-604 though EG-605 is cheaper as the former is from CONCORD, but not needed with t1 strips): EFT stats (current): 32,576 EHP (22779 shield / 2265 armor / 7533 structure), 121 DPS shield tank [passive recharge] [Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Internal Force Field Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5 I haven't yet gotten any ship to mine as much or more than a Hulk on Sisi (built-in +30% yield), but it is more tedious to test when I have to buy and swap modules.
my modified pyfa gives that 46292 EHP
Haffsol fitting a 1.6 billion hulk with ore strip miners and cargohold expanders is just horrible, [/quote wrote:
and is a loot pinata - even post-buff i would be temped to gank a hulk like that and i ******* mine (on an alt)
[quote=Darveses]Sorry if I missed it, but has anyone tried ASB fits yet?
no, but i will now! I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:30:00 -
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with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:31:00 -
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Denidll wrote:Darveses wrote:Sorry if I missed it, but has anyone tried ASB fits yet? no, but i will now!
Excellent, thanks. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:51:00 -
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[Hulk, ASB]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Internal Force Field Array I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
requires +3% or better cpu implant - 37k ehp, 268 dps tank
[Mackinaw, 3MLUs MASB [needs implants] copy]
Erin Mining Laser Upgrade Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Supplemental EM Ward Amplifier Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
needs a +5% cpu implant - 36.4k ehp, 193 dps tank
[Mackinaw, 2MLUs MASB]
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Basic EM Ward Amplifier Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
45k ehp, 220 dps tank
[Skiff, 2MLUs ASB]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
56.6k ehp buffer, 207 hp/s passive shield regen, 465 hp/s from ASBs
this is how you win eve (i'm going to have to make a officer fit of this for laughs)
[Skiff, Max ASB]
Damage Control II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
92.6k ehp, 434 hp/s passive shield recharge, 560 hp/s ASB boost
SKIFF WITH A 1000 DPS ASB+REGEN TANK? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:52:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield.
you are correct. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:59:00 -
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aaand now for utter hilarity
[Skiff, Max ASB loot pinata]
Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
130k EHP, 1239 dps/sec regen, 1190 dps/sec ASBS
3487 dps tank'ed Skiff :D gawd ASBs are over powered.
skiff is capable of one strong regen tank though - i crown it the new king of 0.0 mining (outside of fleets)
actual every-day-fit
[Skiff, 2MLUs]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
62.8k ehp, 442 hp/s
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
883
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:25:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. you are correct. Well, a Hulk has a bonus of 30% and a Skiff has a bonus of 5%. So you need to fit at least 3 MLU to match a Hulk, and the Skiff has 2 low slots (unless that was changed, as I don't see it on pastebin). |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:34:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. you are correct. Well, a Hulk has a bonus of 30% and a Skiff has a bonus of 5%. So you need to fit at least 3 MLU to match a Hulk, and the Skiff has 2 low slots (unless that was changed, as I don't see it on pastebin).
read what we were saying
dual MLU skiff vs non-MLU'ed hulk I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Enaid Verrs
Ideal Machine Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:37:00 -
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So....the retriever is better than the covetor now? :/ |
Haffsol
Froody Guys Spaceships Business
8
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:50:00 -
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skiff bait best bait >.> |
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Turifica
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:58:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Mining Income is currently driven by Miners. Not true.
Mining income is driven by demand, or would be in theory, if there weren't gigantic stockpiles all over the place. Mining income is a direct result of market pressures and it's mineral traders that are in control of pricing. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
247
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:11:00 -
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Turifica wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Mining Income is currently driven by Miners. Not true. Mining income is driven by demand, or would be in theory, if there weren't gigantic stockpiles all over the place. Mining income is a direct result of market pressures and it's mineral traders that are in control of pricing.
it is true. the more you mine the less you get. supply exceeds demand. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
883
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:18:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. you are correct. Well, a Hulk has a bonus of 30% and a Skiff has a bonus of 5%. So you need to fit at least 3 MLU to match a Hulk, and the Skiff has 2 low slots (unless that was changed, as I don't see it on pastebin). read what we were saying dual MLU skiff vs non-MLU'ed hulk I did. I even quoted it. Please explain assuming I'm clueless, as I apparently am.
No MLU Hulk: 30% bonus. Dual MLU Skiff: 23% bonus.
That's a 7% cost for durability and a larger ore hold. If the size of the hold is the issue, then of course Dave stark's comment should have mentioned that (i.e, when mining solo) , rather than being an apparent blanket statement.
But if I'm still missing something, please enlighten me. I'm trying to understand these "new" ships, just like everyone else. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
248
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:28:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. you are correct. Well, a Hulk has a bonus of 30% and a Skiff has a bonus of 5%. So you need to fit at least 3 MLU to match a Hulk, and the Skiff has 2 low slots (unless that was changed, as I don't see it on pastebin). read what we were saying dual MLU skiff vs non-MLU'ed hulk I did. I even quoted it. Please explain assuming I'm clueless, as I apparently am. No MLU Hulk: 30% bonus. Dual MLU Skiff: 23% bonus. That's a 7% cost for durability and a larger ore hold. If the size of the hold is the issue, then of course Dave stark's comment should have mentioned that (i.e, when mining solo) , rather than being an apparent blanket statement. But if I'm still missing something, please enlighten me. I'm trying to understand these "new" ships, just like everyone else.
where are you getting 30 and 23 from? perhaps we can clear up some confusion. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:25:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:with all due respect, any hulk fit without mlu IIs are pointless.
if you're sacrificing those to fit a tank on a hulk you may as well just mine in a mlu'd skiff, odds are you'll have both more ehp and yield. you are correct. Well, a Hulk has a bonus of 30% and a Skiff has a bonus of 5%. So you need to fit at least 3 MLU to match a Hulk, and the Skiff has 2 low slots (unless that was changed, as I don't see it on pastebin). read what we were saying dual MLU skiff vs non-MLU'ed hulk I did. I even quoted it. Please explain assuming I'm clueless, as I apparently am. No MLU Hulk: 30% bonus. Dual MLU Skiff: 23% bonus. That's a 7% cost for durability and a larger ore hold. If the size of the hold is the issue, then of course Dave stark's comment should have mentioned that (i.e, when mining solo) , rather than being an apparent blanket statement. But if I'm still missing something, please enlighten me. I'm trying to understand these "new" ships, just like everyone else.
Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15 I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
252
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:44:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15
0.8175/3.15 = 25.9..% hulk is ^ much better than a skiff or mack before mlus etc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
313
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:28:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Denidil wrote:Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15 0.8175/3.15 = 25.9..% hulk is ^ much better than a skiff or mack before mlus etc.
wtf? where did you get .8175 from? make sense dammit I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
883
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:42:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:where are you getting 30 and 23 from? perhaps we can clear up some confusion. No MLU Hulk: 30% = 3% per level of Mining Barge + 3% per level of Exhumers 2x MLU Skiff: 23% = 1% per level of Exhumers + two 9% MLU
As far as I can see, all the ships have otherwise been normalized at 3 strips.
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
313
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:47:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Dave stark wrote:where are you getting 30 and 23 from? perhaps we can clear up some confusion. No MLU Hulk: 30% = 3% per level of Mining Barge + 3% per level of Exhumers 2x MLU Skiff: 23% = 1% per level of Exhumers + two 9% MLU As far as I can see, all the ships have otherwise been normalized at 3 strips.
there is your error.. you didn't read the changes to the ship
new skiff:
Quote: Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to shield hit points 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances
Exhumer skill bonus per level: 1% bonus to Strip Miner yield 1% reduction in Ice Harvester duration
Role Bonus: 200% bonus to Strip Miner yield 66.66% reduction in Ice Harvester Duration and capacitor use
hence we go back to my math:
Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15
i believed they are manipulatively combined not added (the bonuses)
but if they are added
hulk = 3.9 (3*1.3) Mack = 3.1 (2*1.55) Skiff = 3.05 (3*1.05) I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
883
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:49:00 -
[180] - Quote
Denidil wrote:there is your error.. you didn't read the changes to the ship Yes I did. That is making a 1 strip Skiff into a 3 strip Skiff.
1 * (1 + 200%) = 3
As I stated, all the ships were normalized at 3 strips.
So that leaves the two 15% bonuses for the hulk and the 5% for the skiff as being the main differences, plus fitting two 9% mlu to the skiff. So I still don't see how a 2 MLU skiff is on-par or better than a no-mlu hulk.
Not trying to argue, just trying to understand.
Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 * 1.09^2 (two MLU II) = 3.742515
I don't think there is stacking penalty on MLU, but if there is, then the Skiff is even less. |
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