Yes I know. Just that the Hulk, being way more expensive, should be doing more and doing it better than any other mining vessel.

Yes I know. Just that the Hulk, being way more expensive, should be doing more and doing it better than any other mining vessel.

Yes I know. Just that the Hulk, being way more expensive, should be doing more and doing it better than any other mining vessel.

One problem I see is can flippers will have a field day with solo miners in high sec. Using expanders you could get 17k m3 of cargo in a hulk. Now you have to be dumping ore into a jet can every cycle. Way to go ccp.

hulk bonuses are unchanged so (so it's mining yield is unchanged) so we can figure out all the mining rates relative to a hulk

these calculations are based on Exhumers V/Barge V char, for mining rock not ice - this is without MLUs


Ship - Strips * modifiers = effective # of strip mining modules

Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675
Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15
Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15

Covetor - 3 strips * 1.2 (barge V) = 3.6
Retriever - 2 strips * 1.5 (role bonus) = 3 strips
Procurer - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) = 3 strips


or % relative to a hulk

Mackinaw: 79.4%
Skiff: 79.4%

Covetor: 90.7%
Retriever: 75.6%
Procurer: 75.6%



note: there is now an ice mining and a mercoxit rig

see thread in the test server forum


note: more posts to come, i'm going to try to find ships with comparable stats (CPU/PG/HP) to post side-by-side

[edit]
note if you fit two MLU's to the exhumers you get the following effective strip miner factors

hulk: 5
mack/skiff: 3.99

and ice and mercoxit "role bonuses" have been moved to rigs [see second page of thread]

Two words: Insurance fraud will be back for a limited time!

Mining ship buffs -> more mining -> mineral prices fall. Ship insurance prices are updated periodically. In theory, if mineral prices drop significantly before the insurance prices update, we'll see a boom in insurance fraud.

Two words: Insurance fraud will be back for a limited time!

Mining ship buffs -> more mining -> mineral prices fall. Ship insurance prices are updated periodically. In theory, if mineral prices drop significantly before the insurance prices update, we'll see a boom in insurance fraud.

ship mining buffs -> people mining in ships with lower yield -> oh wait....

Yes I know. Just that the Hulk, being way more expensive, should be doing more and doing it better than any other mining vessel.

So instead of adressing the lack of reward or fun in mining, CCP rewards AFK-ers and botters by making them safer against gankers.

Good move.

Your regular miner, that poor **** who was paying attention, who had friends with him, who knew what the hell he was doing, will be left untouched by these changes. His hulk's yield will remain the same, and even going into big scary low/nullsec wont improve his condition much. In the current (and, apparently, future) state, he's still a poor **** who play a role so un-challenging that a bot can fill it, and be just as efficient as he is.

Mining dont need a 100k EHP mining barge, nor a barge able to mine 30 minutes without requiring a single click, mining need a ship, or a mechanism, that makes a human better than a script.

Your regular miner, that poor **** who was paying attention, who had friends with him, who knew what the hell he was doing, will be left untouched by these changes. His hulk's yield will remain the same, and even going into big scary low/nullsec wont improve his condition much. In the current (and, apparently, future) state, he's still a poor **** who play a role so un-challenging that a bot can fill it, and be just as efficient as he is.

hulk bonuses are unchanged so (so it's mining yield is unchanged) so we can figure out all the mining rates relative to a hulk

these calculations are based on Exhumers V/Barge V char, for mining rock not ice - this is without MLUs


Ship - Strips * modifiers = effective # of strip mining modules

Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675
Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15
Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15

Covetor - 3 strips * 1.2 (barge V) = 3.6
Retriever - 2 strips * 1.5 (role bonus) = 3 strips
Procurer - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) = 3 strips


or % relative to a hulk

Mackinaw: 79.4%
Skiff: 79.4%

Covetor: 90.7%
Retriever: 75.6%
Procurer: 75.6%



note: there is now an ice mining and a mercoxit rig

see thread in the test server forum


note: more posts to come, i'm going to try to find ships with comparable stats (CPU/PG/HP) to post side-by-side

[edit]
note if you fit two MLU's to the exhumers you get the following effective strip miner factors

hulk: 5
mack/skiff: 3.99

and ice and mercoxit "role bonuses" have been moved to rigs [see second page of thread]

Just that, the changes aren't live yet, and for all we know they'll be adjusting the cost of each ship the same way they're adjusting the training times.

AFK friendly buffs leads to more AFK miners, plus the lowered skill requirements. (Nevermind the added NPE content.)

I'm not saying that insurance fraud is guaranteed to happen, but I imagine that these changes are big enough that people will start dumping existing mineral stocks.

Really.. how exactly do you do that for a T2 exhumer whose cost is dictated by the -4ME BPC from invention .. dish out a few more BPO's to a select few in a raffle??

Really.. how exactly do you do that for a T2 exhumer whose cost is dictated by the -4ME BPC from invention .. dish out a few more BPO's to a select few in a raffle??

skill requirements for the mackinaw is still exhumers II, unchanged.
and you only get a 37500 ore bay at exhumers V.

I found the quote in another thread, but they are apparently planning on tiericiding the Exhumer skill, so all 3 become available at Exhumers I.

well that's not implimented on sisi yet.

Before we forget, part of what players now call GÇ£tiericideGÇ¥ is to look at skill requirements. We are not pleased with how they work specifically with this ship class, since the Hulk is currently only a few hours away from the Covetor in terms of skill training. That is why, after the change, all tech 1 mining barges will now only require the Mining Barge Skill at level 1.

We will most likely add the new ORE frigate skill at 4 as a Mining Barge nested prerequisite though

Well it took four seasons for the Cylons to implement their plan, so let's assume that sisi is a work in progress?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890

By changing what amounts of each moon goo get used. Pretty simple.

Adding a small number of BPOs won't significantly change the final price of any popular T2 item. Inventors dominate the market and set the prices. (Skiffs might be BPO dominated atm because they're not commonly used, but I couldn't say for sure without looking at numbers.)

There might be a few marginal cases where a few BPOs is all that's needed to push BPO production to the point where it can satisfy demand, but those aren't what I'd call popular items.

I was wondering if anyone knows wether mined ore (in lets say a hulk) will switch to your normal cargo hold if your ore hold is full, or when the ore hold is full(Which is rather small with a hulk) do you get the hold full message? thankyou

Mining dont need a 100k EHP mining barge, nor a barge able to mine 30 minutes without requiring a single click, mining need a ship, or a mechanism, that makes a human better than a script.

Cargo/Ore bay capacities
Hulk: 500/7500
Mackinaw: 350/25000 (+10% ore hold per mining barge skill level)
Skiff: 350 / 17500

Covetor: 500/7000
Retriver: 350/20000 (+10% ore hold per mining barge skill level)
Procurer: 350/15000