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Higgs Bison	Posted - 2010.08.02 06:26:00 - [1] In EVE, I fly spaceships. I shoot at other spaceships, controlled by players like myself or NPCs. In what identifiable ways will Incarna improve this for me?
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.08.02 06:34:00 - [2] I believe that they are going to tell us when they release the next set of Dev Blogs after most of CCP gets back from their holidays. Which as far as I know, is not in 18 months.
Telvani	Posted - 2010.08.02 06:53:00 - [3] Guys I know we are really ****ed off with CCP's direction atm, but I tihnk a lot of players are genuinely interested (myself included) with incarna, it just looks cool, and alot of the time spent on it won't be by people who would be very useful in fixing lag, and at the end of the day it will bring money for eve. There will be a lot more interest than PI.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.02 06:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Higgs Bison In EVE, I fly spaceships. I shoot at other spaceships, controlled by players like myself or NPCs. In what identifiable ways will Incarna improve this for me? Character movement (New/additional gameengine) in interior/eksterior settings will open for new and exciting gameplay. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Skunk Gracklaw	Posted - 2010.08.02 07:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Character movement (New/additional gameengine) in interior/eksterior settings will open for new and exciting gameplay. Like what? CCP would do themselves a huge service if they would describe exactly what Incarna is going to bring to the game as a whole. Old videos of the graphics aren't cutting it.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.02 07:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Skunk Gracklaw Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Character movement (New/additional gameengine) in interior/eksterior settings will open for new and exciting gameplay. Like what? CCP would do themselves a huge service if they would describe exactly what Incarna is going to bring to the game as a whole. Old videos of the graphics aren't cutting it. That remains to see, doesnt it? As with most games, we know it will arrive, but part of the fun in playing it is to see what you find/experience. We will - in time - find out! The fact still dont change though: a new game engine is being added to EVE online. And that opens for all kinds of fun: Socializing, trade, industry/crafting, all-out war: infantry/vehicles, planetary terraforming/inhabitation/utilization/occupation etc etc etc etc. We will just have to wait and see what will happen! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Mica Petrokov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:08:00 - [7] Incarnia will give you a whole new way to blackscreen and lag out! Alternately, by adding a new dimension to ship spinning, they hope to further dissuade everyone from undocking and crashing their nodes with stupid stuff like fleet fights, small-gang PvP and large (15 player or more) mining operations! It'll also provide a good base for them to build their World of Darkness MMO that they're hoping will keep them afloat after EvE crashes and burns due to 18 months of neglect and incredibly broken mechanics!
Lord XSiV Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:26:00 - [8] I am surprised no one has figured out the big push by CCP to get incarna and dust done..... You see it has all to do with 'prettying' up CCP to sell. Yes, sell out as in get bought by one of the big companies. Here is what happened. The owners of CCP went out to market with their shinny and thought they could get a pretty penny for their spaceship game. Unfortunately they didn't have a clue as to properly valuate in this kind of market so just like every monkey business idea on shows like Shark Tank and Dragon's Den, the evaluation was off by some crazy factor. Rejected like a neglected step child they did the smart thing and asked for some advice on how they could make their 'shinny' become as valuable as they thought it should be. So they were told to bring in more subscribers, users, customers, whatever so that the valuation could be justified. Now herein lies the problem; Eve is marketed as a cold, harsh place not friendly for the carebear and emo types that so frequent the other 'farmville' games out there. We the player base help foster that ideal by pretty much stepping on any pathetic plebe who thinks non-consensual anything should be dealt with capital punishment. The 'problem' is not only in the fundamental game mechanics but inherent in the existing playerbase, so therefore the solution has to not only change the game mechanics to be more appeasing to the emo fail population but also to neuter the existing playbase. A plan was hatched some time ago that took an approach using the 'free expansions' to introduce things that had 2 objectives: 1. Be attractive for people not interested in Pvp 2. Irritate the existing hardcore playerbase so they would quit thus providing a more enjoyable environment for emo farmeville micro-transaction players There are two distinct cases in point that support the aforementioned: 1. Planetary Interaction - No pvp whatsoever so it attracts farmer type players. Irritates the existing playerbase as previously sold NPC items are no longer available. Both accomplished 2. Sovereignty Changes - Due to broken mechanics and half baked code, the new changes eliminated pos warfare and thus a substantial amount of pvp. Irritated the existing playerbase since it is near impossible to take systems. As well, the current lag experienced by null sec can be explained easily by CCP diverting computing resources from nullsec to empire. That accomplishes both objectives as well; emo farmer types can happily run missions and the playerbase is irritated to the point that Sov warfare is impossible. So you ask how incarna will improve the game? Simple, CCP will be sold to a large production company who will be able to actually run the game properly. After the CCP founders/owners get their huge check they will gtfo leaving the game in shambles (argumentatively it already is) which during the transition, the 'fat' will be cut. This means: 1. The fanboi devs who were hired on for the past 5 years for half of market rate will get fired. 2. Original devs who know how to code properly will be lured back. 3. A production manager with a love for the game will be assigned and held accountable for growth and success. 4. Adequate hardware will be provided (not the junk they just moved to) to ensure the game runs properly. Unfortunately this is going to take some time, ala the 18 month window they have been given. Personally I can't wait for either Sony or EA to purchase CCP; at least I know that either entity has the resources (and customer support) to have the game function as advertised. tl;dr CCP is selling out. You heard it here first. Bookmark thread for review in 18-24 months so I can say 'I told you so'
Mica Petrokov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Mica Petrokov on 02/08/2010 08:31:10 Originally by: Lord XSiV words You don't seem to understand the majority of the big MMO companies. Blizzard is the only one that operates like the valhalla you've described, and well, they've already got their money machine in the form of WoW.
Lord XSiV Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Mica Petrokov Edited by: Mica Petrokov on 02/08/2010 08:31:10 Originally by: Lord XSiV words You don't seem to understand the majority of the big MMO companies. Blizzard is the only one that operates like the valhalla you've described, and well, they've already got their money machine in the form of WoW. That's odd, I figured that being an adviser to some of those entities would constitute some form of understanding.... Then again you are a goon and probably are trolling. and no, blizzard doesn't operate that way. In fact they aren't even considered one of the larger entities in the space. Heck even Evony has a larger revenue stream than WoW does these days.....

Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:41:00 - [11] Tangible benefits of Incarna for people who fly spaceships: - Introducing new ways to earn money to buy more spaceships with, and new commodities that need to be hauled between stations, using spaceships which can be shot by other spaceships - Allows puttin NPCs in your establishments which speak text that you designed, effectively giving you the tools to create 'missions' of your own - i.e. "Go out there and mine X amount of Bistot for the alliance spaceship building program and gain <insert reward here>". Using this, you give people new reasons to fly spaceships. - Gives you and your 32 mates something to do while you're being camped into a station by 4 reds - Provides tools for visualizing the strategic planning of large-scale spaceship operations, so that every pilot knows more than just the name of the op and the shiptype they're supposed to bring - Broadens the immersive experience of EVE as a Sci-Fi simulation in general And that's just written in 5 minutes, off the top of my head. Signature? What signature?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord XSiV awesome sauce +1 rep for a glorious conspiracy theory
Mica Petrokov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Ishina Fel - Gives you and your 32 mates something to do while you're being camped into a station by 4 reds If 32 of you are being camped in by four guys, you're doing something wrong.
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Mica Petrokov If 32 of you are being camped in by four guys, you're doing something wrong. And yet it's surprisingly common, especially in empire wars Signature? What signature?
Deka Ekato	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Skunk Gracklaw Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Character movement (New/additional gameengine) in interior/eksterior settings will open for new and exciting gameplay. Like what? CCP would do themselves a huge service if they would describe exactly what Incarna is going to bring to the game as a whole. Old videos of the graphics aren't cutting it. That remains to see, doesnt it? As with most games, we know it will arrive, but part of the fun in playing it is to see what you find/experience. We will - in time - find out! The fact still dont change though: a new game engine is being added to EVE online. And that opens for all kinds of fun: Socializing, trade, industry/crafting, all-out war: infantry/vehicles, planetary terraforming/inhabitation/utilization/occupation etc etc etc etc. We will just have to wait and see what will happen! Well maybe. But still, how would "Incarna", improve the "Spaceship" game that was/is Eve Online?
Abulurd Boniface Gallente 0ccam's Razor Industries	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord XSiV CCP is selling out. You heard it here first. Bookmark thread for review in 18-24 months so I can say 'I told you so' I wish I could say you're full of it, but it could be just that. EVE was supposed to be hard as nails. There's only so many people who will accept that in a gaming environment. I'm not sure about PI though. After Dust is released I can very easily see where the Dust player would be able to blow up a capsuleer facility. EVE no longer being EVE would break my heart. It's been a brutal ride sofar and I've loved nearly every minute of it [except for losing Hulk 4. That'll be sour grapes forever I think]. You're probably right but I don't want you to be. Where do I go to when EVE is no longer EVE? Selling EVE to Bobby Kotick would be the absolute worst thing that could happen [which is, of course, why -if- it happens, it will happen that way]. Once the WoW-shoppers come in, and they get hammered because they think they should be able to go to 0.0 unmolested, the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance will start up and that's going to be all she wrote. Man, what a depressing thought. For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord XSiV Tinfoil hattery You deserve a tinfoil medal.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.08.02 08:58:00 - [18] CCP has stated that it wan't EVE to be the "Ultimate Sci-Fi Experience". I cba to find a link but it is generally referred to. For this to be the case they really need a human avatar system as part of the game. You can cover you ears, look into the distance and repeat "what's the point" over and over but you will still find there are a number of players and potential players for whom a human avatar is important and adds to the experience. What does it add? Immersion. Many players find it hard to associate their in-game self with a spaceship and a metal egg. The addition of human avatars, for whatever reason, will increase the immersion that EVE can provide. I can remember the first time I played the game I loved it - then found out you couldn't step out of the ship and put the game down. It just 'felt' important. A while later I came back - mainly because there were no other serious Sci-Fi mmo contenders that I liked the look of. I don't think CCP like this barrier to entry that some players experience - hence Incarna.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Wacktopia I can remember the first time I played the game I loved it - then found out you couldn't step out of the ship and put the game down. It just 'felt' important. A while later I came back - mainly because there were no other serious Sci-Fi mmo contenders that I liked the look of. Did the exact same thing. You people need to face it: Incarna will bring CCP more subscriptions and thus money. You can whine and moan on the forums about lag, how CCP sucks, blah blah blah, but most of you aren't quitting and have no intention to quit. CCP isn't deploying their own version of the NGE or CU ala SWG. Incarna will be a major step for the game and will bring in a lot of subscriptions. I can't wait to see the numbers personally.
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:33:00 - [20] Incarna won't. It's simple logic. This is a game revolving around politics and spaceships. Incarna brings nothing to the spaceships or politics. In fact, they even admit that the main purpose is to draw in the interest of people who weren't swayed by the spaceships or politics. So that means the lowest common denominator MMORPG player. I think we all know what type that is. So pretty much Incarna will be a deathblow for the current "INCARNATION" of eve. Like how I did that? In my opinion, drawing in a whole section of MMORPG people who weren't interested in what EVE is about right now is disastrous. They will start clamoring for more things that aren't in line with EVE, and we'll see a shift away from the game we know to a cookie cutter version of everyone else's MMORPG. I was around for the Star Wars Galaxies overnight hey presto changearoo... and I'm not interested in another one. I'm playing out my accounts 6 mos. subscription but that will be the end of it for me. It's been a great 4 years but I don't see it ending on a high note if I stick around for Incarna.

Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Researcher 4148 Incarna won't. It's simple logic. This is a game revolving around politics and spaceships. Incarna brings nothing to the spaceships or politics. In fact, they even admit that the main purpose is to draw in the interest of people who weren't swayed by the spaceships or politics. So that means the lowest common denominator MMORPG player. I think we all know what type that is. So pretty much Incarna will be a deathblow for the current "INCARNATION" of eve. Like how I did that? In my opinion, drawing in a whole section of MMORPG people who weren't interested in what EVE is about right now is disastrous. They will start clamoring for more things that aren't in line with EVE, and we'll see a shift away from the game we know to a cookie cutter version of everyone else's MMORPG. I was around for the Star Wars Galaxies overnight hey presto changearoo... and I'm not interested in another one. I'm playing out my accounts 6 mos. subscription but that will be the end of it for me. It's been a great 4 years but I don't see it ending on a high note if I stick around for Incarna. Can I buy your stuff, at a discount? Originally by: Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Higgs Bison In EVE, I fly spaceships. I shoot at other spaceships, controlled by players like myself or NPCs. In what identifiable ways will Incarna improve this for me? Well, if you and your corp/gang/fleet are station camping someone, you can dock and go find him and /dance in front of him instead of having to smack in local. To be honest, Eve does need a better form of interaction between players. The spacships passing in systems is too disjointed, and the threat of being asploded means interactions with strangers is avoided. (by interactions here, I am talking about casual chat and things like that, not PVP) If you dont like it, then dont use it. Simple. As for people who dont want it not geting anything from the FREE expansion.... thats tough, Empite players didnt get anything from all the work done on sovrenty etc. PVPers got nothing from PI. Not every expansion has something for everyone. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:46:00 - [23] It wont. You should /ragequit.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.08.02 09:53:00 - [24] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Wacktopia I can remember the first time I played the game I loved it - then found out you couldn't step out of the ship and put the game down. It just 'felt' important. A while later I came back - mainly because there were no other serious Sci-Fi mmo contenders that I liked the look of. Did the exact same thing. You people need to face it: Incarna will bring CCP more subscriptions and thus money. You can whine and moan on the forums about lag, how CCP sucks, blah blah blah, but most of you aren't quitting and have no intention to quit. CCP isn't deploying their own version of the NGE or CU ala SWG. Incarna will be a major step for the game and will bring in a lot of subscriptions. I can't wait to see the numbers personally. I'm fine with that. I just want to know what I will actually be able to do. With the huge amount of development resources that are going in to it, one would expect that there would be a wide variety of activities. CCP have been working on WiS for 5 years. That's literally enough to develop a whole new game. So what, apart from sit in a space-pub talking about space ships to our space friends, can we actually do in this whole new game? Given the level of focus on it, I think it's a reasonable question to ask at this stage. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Catherine Griffin Amarr	Posted - 2010.08.02 11:14:00 - [25] Until CCP allows polls on their forums this is all kind of speculative. - Who says most players don't want Incarna? Next to that, how can you say you won't like it until you've tried it? EVE is a space sim, so Incarna is a logical part of that, whether it catches your fancy or not.
Creepy Goat Collateral. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.02 11:46:00 - [26] Pretty sure it's because of this. RECRUITING NOW
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.08.02 14:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Researcher 4148 I was around for the Star Wars Galaxies overnight hey presto changearoo... and I'm not interested in another one. I'm playing out my accounts 6 mos. subscription but that will be the end of it for me. It's been a great 4 years but I don't see it ending on a high note if I stick around for Incarna. Me too. It was a real shame to see that happen. I really hope that doesn't happen to EVE. P.S I still vote for fixes > Incarna.
Serotta Ortot Gladiators of Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.08.02 14:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Catherine Griffin Until CCP allows polls on their forums this is all kind of speculative. - Who says most players don't want Incarna? I already played Mass Effect 2 thanks
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.02 14:50:00 - [29] Well if Planetary Interaction is the best "interaction" "immersive" experience they can deliver, it will most likely be a form of space station Cleudo map you stick pins in to go to locations.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.08.02 15:19:00 - [30] Incarna is going to improve your LIFE EXPERIENCE by killing tranq for 3 days when they try to deploy it. Also, the database concerning skill queues got corrupted and a rollback of 3 weeks happens.



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