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V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:32:00 - [1] Edited by: V2GBR on 21/12/2004 09:50:33 All ships have been increased in base hitpoint values for testing purposes of increased survivability and can be tested on Singularity. This does only affect player ships, NPC's would not get this change. The change won't affect small / normal scaled PvP combat scenarios as dramatically as the hitpoints are increased by, most of these scenarios relay on out-caping your oponent. It will how ever affect the length of die-time in ganking scenarios where a target is not able to use his capacitor to counter the incoming damage; fleet combat, POS raids, pirate blockades & etc.Æs. It will also affect survivability of smaller ships somewhat where they have more time to get in or out of range. It just keeps getting better :( ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:32:00 - [2] Edited by: V2GBR on 21/12/2004 09:50:33 All ships have been increased in base hitpoint values for testing purposes of increased survivability and can be tested on Singularity. This does only affect player ships, NPC's would not get this change. The change won't affect small / normal scaled PvP combat scenarios as dramatically as the hitpoints are increased by, most of these scenarios relay on out-caping your oponent. It will how ever affect the length of die-time in ganking scenarios where a target is not able to use his capacitor to counter the incoming damage; fleet combat, POS raids, pirate blockades & etc.Æs. It will also affect survivability of smaller ships somewhat where they have more time to get in or out of range. It just keeps getting better :( ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:38:00 - [3] How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:38:00 - [4] How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw [Heterocephalus glaber]
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:39:00 - [5] just hope a tempest comes along wih its uber structure and no resistance. and 5 xl shiled recharger thingies "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:39:00 - [6] just hope a tempest comes along wih its uber structure and no resistance. and 5 xl shiled recharger thingies "Teh lord of Nonni"
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:49:00 - [9] Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:49:00 - [10] Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. Ok i suppose i shpuld of said anti ganker ill change it. But i still think it will suck. ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. Ok i suppose i shpuld of said anti ganker ill change it. But i still think it will suck. ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:03:00 - [13] With more hitpoints people maybe more willing to fight in smaller engagements? maybe
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:03:00 - [14] With more hitpoints people maybe more willing to fight in smaller engagements? maybe
Alcohol Priest	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. Saved by a node crash lol Thats Optimistic
Alcohol Priest	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. Saved by a node crash lol Thats Optimistic
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:12:00 - [17] Well V2, I am a loser of ships and you are a killer of ships - I'm bound to like the change more than you! ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:12:00 - [18] Well V2, I am a loser of ships and you are a killer of ships - I'm bound to like the change more than you! ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Araviel	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. well, i think it will affect pirates, it will be easier to force run blockades whit that much HP. harder for the pirates to catch their pray- you will need a huge gang at the gates if you want to catch anything, forgett solo hunting, a ship equal to your size will simple just travel past you and jump unless you got miltiple webbers on him. EPIC Recruitment post
Araviel	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. well, i think it will affect pirates, it will be easier to force run blockades whit that much HP. harder for the pirates to catch their pray- you will need a huge gang at the gates if you want to catch anything, forgett solo hunting, a ship equal to your size will simple just travel past you and jump unless you got miltiple webbers on him. EPIC Recruitment post
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:27:00 - [21] I think its a good thing, its about time battleship fights were more epic, and less dead within 20 seconds etc :) "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:27:00 - [22] I think its a good thing, its about time battleship fights were more epic, and less dead within 20 seconds etc :) "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. well, i think it will affect pirates, it will be easier to force run blockades whit that much HP. harder for the pirates to catch their pray- you will need a huge gang at the gates if you want to catch anything, forgett solo hunting, a ship equal to your size will simple just travel past you and jump unless you got miltiple webbers on him. Maybe, but I never thought of camping gates as piracy anyway. If you pirate away from gates / stations, if they can't warp they can't leave. Besides, the destruction of your target is a sign of a failed attempt at piracy. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 10:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Avon Surely this is an anti-ganker tweak? It won't effect piracy at all. Seems like a good idea to me. Longer it takes to kill me, the more likely it becomes that I will be saved by a node crash. well, i think it will affect pirates, it will be easier to force run blockades whit that much HP. harder for the pirates to catch their pray- you will need a huge gang at the gates if you want to catch anything, forgett solo hunting, a ship equal to your size will simple just travel past you and jump unless you got miltiple webbers on him. Maybe, but I never thought of camping gates as piracy anyway. If you pirate away from gates / stations, if they can't warp they can't leave. Besides, the destruction of your target is a sign of a failed attempt at piracy. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:07:00 - [25] Well if they paid there would be no ship POPPIN ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
V2GBR	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:07:00 - [26] Well if they paid there would be no ship POPPIN ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:12:00 - [27] whats funnier will be using 6 bs's to kill a tanked maller :/ "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:12:00 - [28] whats funnier will be using 6 bs's to kill a tanked maller :/ "Teh lord of Nonni"
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:21:00 - [29] Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 whats funnier will be using 6 bs's to kill a tanked maller :/ They are upping the HP, thats all. It won't take more firepower, just the same for longer. If they increased resistances, then you'd need to bring more firepower. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:21:00 - [30] Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 whats funnier will be using 6 bs's to kill a tanked maller :/ They are upping the HP, thats all. It won't take more firepower, just the same for longer. If they increased resistances, then you'd need to bring more firepower. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:43:00 - [31] Oh great, another nerf comming up on small pirate corps. Just what we needed after exodus.. This is nothing but a nice touch towards carebearism, first you take away the dual propultion systems, ok fine.. It was needed, and fair to all. But then what??? With this new proposed change, you would give back the advantage to the ones we try to catch. Might as well kept it as it was, since ppl wont need any dual mwds to make it out from a small blockade. Heres a clue, small pirate corps rely on being able to kill fast, and being mobile. But its quite a brilliant plan i must admit, give everyone better ships to make them so happy they dont see what it does to an already dying profession. Dont insult us with your bull****, by calling it balancing when its totally biazed against us. Thank you. No changes has been made to my signature during the 6 months i have used it on this forum. Go figure. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:43:00 - [32] Oh great, another nerf comming up on small pirate corps. Just what we needed after exodus.. This is nothing but a nice touch towards carebearism, first you take away the dual propultion systems, ok fine.. It was needed, and fair to all. But then what??? With this new proposed change, you would give back the advantage to the ones we try to catch. Might as well kept it as it was, since ppl wont need any dual mwds to make it out from a small blockade. Heres a clue, small pirate corps rely on being able to kill fast, and being mobile. But its quite a brilliant plan i must admit, give everyone better ships to make them so happy they dont see what it does to an already dying profession. Dont insult us with your bull****, by calling it balancing when its totally biazed against us. Thank you. No changes has been made to my signature during the 6 months i have used it on this forum. Go figure. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:48:00 - [33] You mean small gank corps, right? ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:48:00 - [34] You mean small gank corps, right? ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:49:00 - [35] He must, coz the only place I can imagine someone solo getting away is at a gatecamp/station camp (rofl) in low sec space. In belts or in 0.0, pirates usually web and scramble their target =/ [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 13:49:00 - [36] He must, coz the only place I can imagine someone solo getting away is at a gatecamp/station camp (rofl) in low sec space. In belts or in 0.0, pirates usually web and scramble their target =/ [Heterocephalus glaber]
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Avon They are upping the HP, thats all. It won't take more firepower, just the same for longer. Heh, think again. With that logic, we'd all be using newbie ships to destroy BS. "It doesn't need more firepower, it needs more time!"
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Avon They are upping the HP, thats all. It won't take more firepower, just the same for longer. Heh, think again. With that logic, we'd all be using newbie ships to destroy BS. "It doesn't need more firepower, it needs more time!"
Shintai	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:01:00 - [39] Originally by: V2GBR Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! Have you perhaps thought about things like T2 gear and ammo hit alittle harder aswell as all the new skills? It would be like saying T2 allows more ganking. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Shintai	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:01:00 - [40] Originally by: V2GBR Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! Have you perhaps thought about things like T2 gear and ammo hit alittle harder aswell as all the new skills? It would be like saying T2 allows more ganking. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Discorporation He must, coz the only place I can imagine someone solo getting away is at a gatecamp/station camp (rofl) in low sec space. In belts or in 0.0, pirates usually web and scramble their target =/ Surely this will benefit you, my dear member of BloB. But not everyone flies in fleets of 50 ppl you know, at times we are 2 ppl online. See we dont want big fleets, its not what we do. That said, it might give you another perspective of it. However as my original reply said, you will benefit of this, and most likely, thereby refuse to see what it would do to us. cheers. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Discorporation He must, coz the only place I can imagine someone solo getting away is at a gatecamp/station camp (rofl) in low sec space. In belts or in 0.0, pirates usually web and scramble their target =/ Surely this will benefit you, my dear member of BloB. But not everyone flies in fleets of 50 ppl you know, at times we are 2 ppl online. See we dont want big fleets, its not what we do. That said, it might give you another perspective of it. However as my original reply said, you will benefit of this, and most likely, thereby refuse to see what it would do to us. cheers. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Myal Terego Surely this will benefit you, my dear member of BloB. But not everyone flies in fleets of 50 ppl you know, at times we are 2 ppl online. See we dont want big fleets, its not what we do. That said, it might give you another perspective of it. However as my original reply said, you will benefit of this, and most likely, thereby refuse to see what it would do to us. cheers. Actually, no, it would affect us negatively, too. It'd mean more enemies escape during long-range fleet combat, due to them having more time to warp off. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Myal Terego Surely this will benefit you, my dear member of BloB. But not everyone flies in fleets of 50 ppl you know, at times we are 2 ppl online. See we dont want big fleets, its not what we do. That said, it might give you another perspective of it. However as my original reply said, you will benefit of this, and most likely, thereby refuse to see what it would do to us. cheers. Actually, no, it would affect us negatively, too. It'd mean more enemies escape during long-range fleet combat, due to them having more time to warp off. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Myal Terego member of BloB Bwhahahahahaha, superb name calling. What's next, chewing gum in the hair? A drawing pin on a chair? Or will you grow a pair? omfgp03mh4xspl01t!11!!one!!!!eleven!1!1 Oh, btw Disco, tell Shrike he made me cry :( ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Myal Terego member of BloB Bwhahahahahaha, superb name calling. What's next, chewing gum in the hair? A drawing pin on a chair? Or will you grow a pair? omfgp03mh4xspl01t!11!!one!!!!eleven!1!1 Oh, btw Disco, tell Shrike he made me cry :( ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:08:00 - [47] k, i will. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:08:00 - [48] k, i will. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Myal Terego on 21/12/2004 14:16:04 Edited by: Myal Terego on 21/12/2004 14:15:16 Yeah fine, im sure you know more about that then i do. I never was a fan of big fleet combat with lag. My point was, during the last 2 days, we have been hunting with 2 interceptors for catching and a battleship for killing in pb. And several times have the mwd'ing battleship died withing 1k of jumping range of the gate, infact one of them being one of your guys. If they now double the hitpoints, everyone will get away... And i kind of feel we already have had our share of nerfs EDIT: the "member of BloB" thing was meant as a jk, and im sure atleast you understood that.. sigh. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:14:00 - [50] Edited by: Myal Terego on 21/12/2004 14:16:04 Edited by: Myal Terego on 21/12/2004 14:15:16 Yeah fine, im sure you know more about that then i do. I never was a fan of big fleet combat with lag. My point was, during the last 2 days, we have been hunting with 2 interceptors for catching and a battleship for killing in pb. And several times have the mwd'ing battleship died withing 1k of jumping range of the gate, infact one of them being one of your guys. If they now double the hitpoints, everyone will get away... And i kind of feel we already have had our share of nerfs EDIT: the "member of BloB" thing was meant as a jk, and im sure atleast you understood that.. sigh. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Myal Terego Yeah fine, im sure you know more about that then i do. I never was a fan of big fleet combat with lag. My point was, during the last 2 days, we have been hunting with 2 interceptors for catching and a battleship for killing in pb. And several times have the mwd'ing battleship died withing 1k of jumping range of the gate, infact one of them being one of your guys. If they now double the hitpoints, everyone will get away... And i kind of feel we already have had our share of nerfs Then you need to bring more firepower or more webbifiers, don'tcha think? I can recommend the Stiletto, it can fit plenty ecm (or if you're feeling brave, a blackbird cruiser) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Myal Terego Yeah fine, im sure you know more about that then i do. I never was a fan of big fleet combat with lag. My point was, during the last 2 days, we have been hunting with 2 interceptors for catching and a battleship for killing in pb. And several times have the mwd'ing battleship died withing 1k of jumping range of the gate, infact one of them being one of your guys. If they now double the hitpoints, everyone will get away... And i kind of feel we already have had our share of nerfs Then you need to bring more firepower or more webbifiers, don'tcha think? I can recommend the Stiletto, it can fit plenty ecm (or if you're feeling brave, a blackbird cruiser) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:17:00 - [53] Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:17:00 - [54] Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:19:00 - [55] say, when did you enter my discussion with discorporation again? oh nm.. yes im bored at work too. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:19:00 - [56] say, when did you enter my discussion with discorporation again? oh nm.. yes im bored at work too. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:21:00 - [57] .o/ guilty :[ [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:21:00 - [58] .o/ guilty :[ [Heterocephalus glaber]
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up And FYI it was dual webbed with X5 websors, and the battleship was a raven with torpedo lvl5 and 4dmg mods on... [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up And FYI it was dual webbed with X5 websors, and the battleship was a raven with torpedo lvl5 and 4dmg mods on... [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:27:00 - [61] Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:27:34 Originally by: Myal Terego Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up And FYI it was dual webbed with X5 websors, and the battleship was a raven with torpedo lvl5 and 4dmg mods on... /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:27:00 - [62] Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:27:34 Originally by: Myal Terego Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/12/2004 14:19:07 Ohnoes, 2 frigates won't be able to gank a BS at a gate. It is truely the nerf from hell. If 2 ceptors can't hold the ship long enough for your BS to kill it, give up. EDIT: Do you ever get the feeling someone else on the forums is as bored at work as you? /me looks up And FYI it was dual webbed with X5 websors, and the battleship was a raven with torpedo lvl5 and 4dmg mods on... /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:36:00 - [63] Originally by: V2GBR Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! As I contemplate your moronality.. Enjoy this little Violin piece I'm playing for you. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:36:00 - [64] Originally by: V2GBR Originally by: Discorporation How is this an anti-pirate tweak? Feedback in the appropriate thread, btw Think about it then bite me ! As I contemplate your moronality.. Enjoy this little Violin piece I'm playing for you. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:47:00 - [65] Originally by: Avon /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon You simply asume too much. And make stupid statements about hes top speed, without even being there... Maybe you might consider facts like, it takes some time to reach the target, and maybe its a good idea to scramble before webbing so it doesnt warp faster.. And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Myal Terego	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:47:00 - [66] Originally by: Avon /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon You simply asume too much. And make stupid statements about hes top speed, without even being there... Maybe you might consider facts like, it takes some time to reach the target, and maybe its a good idea to scramble before webbing so it doesnt warp faster.. And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. [center] http://213.142.66.138/~nervar/myalb.jpg
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Myal Terego Originally by: Avon /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon You simply asume too much. And make stupid statements about hes top speed, without even being there... Maybe you might consider facts like, it takes some time to reach the target, and maybe its a good idea to scramble before webbing so it doesnt warp faster.. And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. I didn't make a 'stupid statement', I made an asumption. Quite a reasonable one too I thought. Quote: And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. Oh please! I was doing this stuff before your character was created, give it a rest. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:56:00 - [68] Originally by: Myal Terego Originally by: Avon /me thinks Assuming 700m/s bs dual webbed with 2x X5 is about 21m/s Thats 4 minutes per 5km. I am thinking you guys need more practice, OR, stop trying to gank people at gates. Edit: Swap the Raven for a Geddon You simply asume too much. And make stupid statements about hes top speed, without even being there... Maybe you might consider facts like, it takes some time to reach the target, and maybe its a good idea to scramble before webbing so it doesnt warp faster.. And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. I didn't make a 'stupid statement', I made an asumption. Quite a reasonable one too I thought. Quote: And as for practise, youre welcome to come have a go if u like. Oh please! I was doing this stuff before your character was created, give it a rest. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:58:00 - [69] Sounds like great news to me. Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.12.21 14:58:00 - [70] Sounds like great news to me. Convert Stations
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:00:00 - [71] Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 21/12/2004 15:02:39 Pirating: A Play in 3 Acts Act 1: OMGWTF PIRATE! Act 2: Ctrl+Q Act 3: Profit! Ship HP... another in a long line of unintentional ransom piracy nerfs. Go team gank! Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:00:00 - [72] Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 21/12/2004 15:02:39 Pirating: A Play in 3 Acts Act 1: OMGWTF PIRATE! Act 2: Ctrl+Q Act 3: Profit! Ship HP... another in a long line of unintentional ransom piracy nerfs. Go team gank! Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
coldheat	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:25:00 - [73] It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it.
coldheat	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:25:00 - [74] It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:28:00 - [75] Originally by: coldheat It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it. There is nothing like a well balanced and reasoned reply... ...and that was nothing like a well balanced and reasoned reply. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:28:00 - [76] Originally by: coldheat It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it. There is nothing like a well balanced and reasoned reply... ...and that was nothing like a well balanced and reasoned reply. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:41:00 - [77] I don't even know what that means, what is she saying? I need a young priest and a navajo... Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.12.21 15:41:00 - [78] I don't even know what that means, what is she saying? I need a young priest and a navajo... Convert Stations
Poding	Posted - 2004.12.21 16:06:00 - [79] Originally by: coldheat It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it. Whats going to happen 14 of Januari? Could some one tell me... couse i get freaked out by this thougth out answer..
Poding	Posted - 2004.12.21 16:06:00 - [80] Originally by: coldheat It all dont matter guys 14 of januari is uppon us and most know what that mean. Basicly only thing they should do is KICK all your Pirate scum out of this game. And too CCP dunno even where your BRAINS are somewhere in toilet or so and dont even have to explain myself why cause you know it. Whats going to happen 14 of Januari? Could some one tell me... couse i get freaked out by this thougth out answer..
Hatepants	Posted - 2004.12.21 16:52:00 - [81] er...so this means that means that my mega wont kill that indy in 4 sec....it will in 6 secs Helping to keep Carebear population under control!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hatepants	Posted - 2004.12.21 16:52:00 - [82] er...so this means that means that my mega wont kill that indy in 4 sec....it will in 6 secs Helping to keep Carebear population under control!!!!!!!!!!!!
aeti	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:10:00 - [83] will the logoff timer be increased by the same ratio?
aeti	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:10:00 - [84] will the logoff timer be increased by the same ratio?
babyblue	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:20:00 - [85] I think the deal is that with people getting more into specialization and Tech II guns [and ammo soon], insta-gankage will become commonplace without increases to ship HP. This means that those with stronger skills will be able to gibletize those with weaker skills as a matter of course. Now, at least those with weaker skills (or only Tech I equipment) will have some tactical options (like running away). In fact I don't see that this will make much difference to combat time once everyone is using Tech II weapons and ammo, more structure HP/amor HP/shield HP v greater DOT = 0.
babyblue	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:20:00 - [86] I think the deal is that with people getting more into specialization and Tech II guns [and ammo soon], insta-gankage will become commonplace without increases to ship HP. This means that those with stronger skills will be able to gibletize those with weaker skills as a matter of course. Now, at least those with weaker skills (or only Tech I equipment) will have some tactical options (like running away). In fact I don't see that this will make much difference to combat time once everyone is using Tech II weapons and ammo, more structure HP/amor HP/shield HP v greater DOT = 0.
noitulos	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:33:00 - [87] I believe this will nerf piracy yet again also especially small group pirates, which are what are left of free-roam-piracy these days anyway. Think about it... You ever try to kill a battleship that logged off with only a few ships? Takes a while, and sometimes they can beat the timer. Now double their HP, and there is no way at all. A gank fleet can still take him down quickly. Where do you find massive gank fleets?...Herd warfare ie. alliances. This will probably make fights a bit more exciting with less kills, we'll just have to see. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu
noitulos	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:33:00 - [88] I believe this will nerf piracy yet again also especially small group pirates, which are what are left of free-roam-piracy these days anyway. Think about it... You ever try to kill a battleship that logged off with only a few ships? Takes a while, and sometimes they can beat the timer. Now double their HP, and there is no way at all. A gank fleet can still take him down quickly. Where do you find massive gank fleets?...Herd warfare ie. alliances. This will probably make fights a bit more exciting with less kills, we'll just have to see. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:37:00 - [89] Edited by: Siddy on 21/12/2004 17:37:36 Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 21/12/2004 15:02:39 Pirating: A Play in 3 Acts Act 1: OMGWTF PIRATE! Act 2: Ctrl+Q Act 3: Profit! Ship HP... another in a long line of unintentional ransom piracy nerfs. Go team gank! this shuld be posted to the Newbie boards as a instruktion "what 3 things to do if i am mining and got jumpped by PKers" after this patch goes live -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.21 17:37:00 - [90] Edited by: Siddy on 21/12/2004 17:37:36 Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 21/12/2004 15:02:39 Pirating: A Play in 3 Acts Act 1: OMGWTF PIRATE! Act 2: Ctrl+Q Act 3: Profit! Ship HP... another in a long line of unintentional ransom piracy nerfs. Go team gank! this shuld be posted to the Newbie boards as a instruktion "what 3 things to do if i am mining and got jumpped by PKers" after this patch goes live -------------------------------------------
Lil' Bit	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:17:00 - [91] It will: a: lower the death rate to rats by a bit. b: make it more expensive to caracal-gank indies in empire space. It can still be done, but it'll require more firepower, = more insurance money lost on caracals. c: increase the effectiveness of things like regenerative plating, and slghtly decrease the effectiveness of 1600mm armor plating, assuming armor plating remains the same. (1600mm would still be a first choice, and regenerative still may not be used, but an adjustment in effectiveness has happened all the same). d: Increase the effectiveness of passive shield tanking. Higher shield hp = more shield hp gained per second. e: Make it harder to gank by virtue of firepower alone. It's doubtful this will effect pirates, since I have yet to meet a pirate ganker, or gank team without a scram. f: give a little more time for assessing a situation, and adjusting to it tactically. Combined with the missile nerf, this would make life alot easier for frigates, who might be able to survive 2 or 3 mistakes, instead of dying on the first mistake. g: Increase the effectiveness of pure damage loadouts vs tanking loadouts. Gankageddon pilots should like this. h: Allow short range blaster-equipped ships to survive getting into short range more easily. Blasterthrons should love this. So yes, I do think it affects 1v1 PvP substantially. It might be in a good way however, that remains to be seen.
Lil' Bit	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:17:00 - [92] It will: a: lower the death rate to rats by a bit. b: make it more expensive to caracal-gank indies in empire space. It can still be done, but it'll require more firepower, = more insurance money lost on caracals. c: increase the effectiveness of things like regenerative plating, and slghtly decrease the effectiveness of 1600mm armor plating, assuming armor plating remains the same. (1600mm would still be a first choice, and regenerative still may not be used, but an adjustment in effectiveness has happened all the same). d: Increase the effectiveness of passive shield tanking. Higher shield hp = more shield hp gained per second. e: Make it harder to gank by virtue of firepower alone. It's doubtful this will effect pirates, since I have yet to meet a pirate ganker, or gank team without a scram. f: give a little more time for assessing a situation, and adjusting to it tactically. Combined with the missile nerf, this would make life alot easier for frigates, who might be able to survive 2 or 3 mistakes, instead of dying on the first mistake. g: Increase the effectiveness of pure damage loadouts vs tanking loadouts. Gankageddon pilots should like this. h: Allow short range blaster-equipped ships to survive getting into short range more easily. Blasterthrons should love this. So yes, I do think it affects 1v1 PvP substantially. It might be in a good way however, that remains to be seen.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:43:00 - [93] tbh, this affects all pvp, not just piracy now a battleship with a mwd can force right through a blockade even when webbed, before it dies. but that kinda depends on what ships you have available. This massively increases the effectiveness of short-range blaster setups, since a thorax can be almost instaganked trying to get under someone else's optimal. log-off timer needs to change significantly to counter this small ships and frigs.. especially assault frigs, get to make use of their high resistances against other ships. enyo for example has 2000 armor and 3400 structure.. it also gives an indirect bonus to anyone that specializes, because now DOT matters a lot more since even training battleship 5 or surgical strike 5 for that extra small bit of bonus will add a lot more to combat than before. It also gives you more reason to use named guns and mods, since before you'd be dead against 2-3 battleships in seconds if you got yourself into a bad situation, no matter how uber expensive of a setup you had. this change has a huge effect on pvp, mostly positive but it can turn sour depending on how the devs do it. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:43:00 - [94] tbh, this affects all pvp, not just piracy now a battleship with a mwd can force right through a blockade even when webbed, before it dies. but that kinda depends on what ships you have available. This massively increases the effectiveness of short-range blaster setups, since a thorax can be almost instaganked trying to get under someone else's optimal. log-off timer needs to change significantly to counter this small ships and frigs.. especially assault frigs, get to make use of their high resistances against other ships. enyo for example has 2000 armor and 3400 structure.. it also gives an indirect bonus to anyone that specializes, because now DOT matters a lot more since even training battleship 5 or surgical strike 5 for that extra small bit of bonus will add a lot more to combat than before. It also gives you more reason to use named guns and mods, since before you'd be dead against 2-3 battleships in seconds if you got yourself into a bad situation, no matter how uber expensive of a setup you had. this change has a huge effect on pvp, mostly positive but it can turn sour depending on how the devs do it. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Lygos	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:44:00 - [95] If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit.
Lygos	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:44:00 - [96] If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:47:00 - [97] I'm especially worried about the impacts of frigates/cruisers fitting oversized armour playes because the bonus is applied BEFORE skills and, therefore, the benefits are multiplied by skills. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:47:00 - [98] I'm especially worried about the impacts of frigates/cruisers fitting oversized armour playes because the bonus is applied BEFORE skills and, therefore, the benefits are multiplied by skills. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
noitulos	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:53:00 - [99] Originally by: Lygos If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit. Your words make it clear that you have never tried this for any length of time. No risk? absolutely wrong. Sure ganking is easier but the first time 3x ur numbers jump in on you, you will know the meaning of risk. With herd warfare so common now, this can and does happen often. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu
noitulos	Posted - 2004.12.21 20:53:00 - [100] Originally by: Lygos If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit. Your words make it clear that you have never tried this for any length of time. No risk? absolutely wrong. Sure ganking is easier but the first time 3x ur numbers jump in on you, you will know the meaning of risk. With herd warfare so common now, this can and does happen often. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.12.21 21:21:00 - [101] Oh boo hoo, the gateganking profession is dying out, let me get my hanky. Both you and your * "play style" can burn in hell. Bunch of griefing retards, you have the audacity to call someone ELSE a carebear? YOU'RE the in carebear. Its the MINERS and INDIES and the regular tradespeople who bear all the risk. They're the ones hauling a billion isk worth of stuff in their hauler through lowsec. Where the is YOUR risk Mr big bad "pirate"? Even if you screw up ROYALLY and manage to lose your Kestrel to some Miner (which has actually happened) you just collect your insurance and move on. Don't talk to me about risk or carebears. You're the *in carebear hiding behind the retarded mechanics that let you grief/scam/etc with ZERO risk. If someone scammed me in RL, I can go back to the store and beat the vendor's face, or break his window, or yell and scream and drive away his customers, or call my lawyer and file lawsuit, or any number of things. Yet somehow in this "futuristic" Eve Universe that tries* to mimic the Wild Wild West, only the so called "carebears" carry risk to their cargo/merchandise/wallets and all the big bad "outlaws" are out gateganking and scamming and stealing from jet cans with NO risk. You're the ***** carebear. Erase Eve from your hard drive and go play Sims Online where you can scam teenage girls into giving you free netsex with no risk. Mister big bad pirate crying into his cheerios. C'mere lemme laugh at you, you *** *s. You think being a pirate is hard? Try being a bounty hunter. There are literally ZERO gameplay mechanics that support being a bounty hunter in Eve. Even IF you manage to track someone down, even IF you manage to catch them alone, even IF you manage to kill their ship, unless that person has a negative enough security rating, YOU CANT KILL HIS POD. And guess what....even if he loses his ship...ITS INSURED. LOL* Evil pirates my a$$. Piracy is a relaxing activity. ****in carebears.
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.12.21 21:21:00 - [102] Oh boo hoo, the gateganking profession is dying out, let me get my hanky. Both you and your * "play style" can burn in hell. Bunch of griefing retards, you have the audacity to call someone ELSE a carebear? YOU'RE the in carebear. Its the MINERS and INDIES and the regular tradespeople who bear all the risk. They're the ones hauling a billion isk worth of stuff in their hauler through lowsec. Where the is YOUR risk Mr big bad "pirate"? Even if you screw up ROYALLY and manage to lose your Kestrel to some Miner (which has actually happened) you just collect your insurance and move on. Don't talk to me about risk or carebears. You're the *in carebear hiding behind the retarded mechanics that let you grief/scam/etc with ZERO risk. If someone scammed me in RL, I can go back to the store and beat the vendor's face, or break his window, or yell and scream and drive away his customers, or call my lawyer and file lawsuit, or any number of things. Yet somehow in this "futuristic" Eve Universe that tries* to mimic the Wild Wild West, only the so called "carebears" carry risk to their cargo/merchandise/wallets and all the big bad "outlaws" are out gateganking and scamming and stealing from jet cans with NO risk. You're the ***** carebear. Erase Eve from your hard drive and go play Sims Online where you can scam teenage girls into giving you free netsex with no risk. Mister big bad pirate crying into his cheerios. C'mere lemme laugh at you, you *** *s. You think being a pirate is hard? Try being a bounty hunter. There are literally ZERO gameplay mechanics that support being a bounty hunter in Eve. Even IF you manage to track someone down, even IF you manage to catch them alone, even IF you manage to kill their ship, unless that person has a negative enough security rating, YOU CANT KILL HIS POD. And guess what....even if he loses his ship...ITS INSURED. LOL* Evil pirates my a$$. Piracy is a relaxing activity. ****in carebears.
Kunni Cipka	Posted - 2004.12.21 21:23:00 - [103] Edited by: Kunni Cipka on 21/12/2004 21:23:34 Originally by: noitulos Originally by: Lygos If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit. Your words make it clear that you have never tried this for any length of time. No risk? absolutely wrong. Sure ganking is easier but the first time 3x ur numbers jump in on you, you will know the meaning of risk. With herd warfare so common now, this can and does happen often. The words HIT and RUN come to mind... but you already knew that beeing a pirate...
Kunni Cipka	Posted - 2004.12.21 21:23:00 - [104] Edited by: Kunni Cipka on 21/12/2004 21:23:34 Originally by: noitulos Originally by: Lygos If it makes battles more tactical, then fine. If it makes gate ganking with small groups barely "harder".. Who Cares? Cry me a river. You're nobody and your style of gameplay is inane. I guess you'll have to find a profession with some risk attached if you wanna make some profit. Your words make it clear that you have never tried this for any length of time. No risk? absolutely wrong. Sure ganking is easier but the first time 3x ur numbers jump in on you, you will know the meaning of risk. With herd warfare so common now, this can and does happen often. The words HIT and RUN come to mind... but you already knew that beeing a pirate...
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.12.21 22:06:00 - [105] And afore too much more ranting goes on - to quote the dev post: Quote: Issues will come from this change, here are a few listed that you might encounter: * You need more charges to kill your oponent, volume of charges needs tweaking * Shield Boosting and Armor Repairing ainÆt much of an eye candy, amount of boosting and repairing needs to be increased while duration would get decreased * Shield Extenders & Armor Plates are useless with current values, they also will need the tweaking * Your ship might be unbalanced * Your ship might be even more unbalanced This test is done to start mass feedback from the community on how this change affects combat gameplay and to see what issues might occur. In other words nothing is set in stone, and if you think it needs tweaking go and test it on SiSi.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.12.21 22:06:00 - [106] And afore too much more ranting goes on - to quote the dev post: Quote: Issues will come from this change, here are a few listed that you might encounter: * You need more charges to kill your oponent, volume of charges needs tweaking * Shield Boosting and Armor Repairing ainÆt much of an eye candy, amount of boosting and repairing needs to be increased while duration would get decreased * Shield Extenders & Armor Plates are useless with current values, they also will need the tweaking * Your ship might be unbalanced * Your ship might be even more unbalanced This test is done to start mass feedback from the community on how this change affects combat gameplay and to see what issues might occur. In other words nothing is set in stone, and if you think it needs tweaking go and test it on SiSi.

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