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fin1712	Posted - 2010.08.05 12:46:00 - [1] Edited by: fin1712 on 05/08/2010 12:53:53 I am a more recent Amarr player, only 2 months or so logged, I was wondering if anyone had an Armageddon fit they would be willing to part with. My corp is so far only high sec. The Armageddon preferably would be fit to work alone, but if thats not a good situation for a 'geddon to be in thats fine. Preferably cap stable. Sorry for asking so much >_< Lastly...Preferably under 100mil and without T2 guns.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:09:00 - [2] i assume you want to use it for PVE since you want it cap stable and you are better with a smaller ship in pvp if you are only 2 months old. and if you need a PVE ship you better use a apoc because the geddon with no T2 guns will have a very poor range and its much harder to make cap stable than a apoc
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 05/08/2010 13:10:07 Yeah going out solo in a battleship, particularly a geddon, probably won't end well. You're also very unlikely to find a proper fit at less than 100mil, as the ship + rigs alone will hit around 90. And without even t2 guns, are you sure you don't just want to stick with a Harbinger or something for now? Edit: ah I just sort of assumed pvp, if it's pve then see what 1600 said above ^ Beam apoc would be best for missions. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:10:00 - [4] Just a friendly tip. Battleships do not work very good solo and from my experience, the only way you'll get a "cap stable" Armageddon is with a cap booster loaded with 800 charges. Also, you'd get one for under 100 even with T2 guns. (Not including rigs though)
fin1712	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:46:00 - [5] Thanks for the responses. Guess I posted this because in the recent war the enemy had a geddon, managed to kill a cov ops, a BS and more in one sitting. Still scares the hell out of us.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:51:00 - [6] Originally by: fin1712 Thanks for the responses. Guess I posted this because in the recent war the enemy had a geddon, managed to kill a cov ops, a BS and more in one sitting. Still scares the hell out of us. Don't mean to be harsh but a single 'geddon managing to own you all that badly was probably down to your corps mistakes rather than any amazing piloting on his part. It's really not that hard to kill a lone battleship if you've got half decent numbers/ships. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Xephys Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.05 14:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Originally by: fin1712 Thanks for the responses. Guess I posted this because in the recent war the enemy had a geddon, managed to kill a cov ops, a BS and more in one sitting. Still scares the hell out of us. Don't mean to be harsh but a single 'geddon managing to own you all that badly was probably down to your corps mistakes rather than any amazing piloting on his part. It's really not that hard to kill a lone battleship if you've got half decent numbers/ships. Well done for missing the point completely. The engagement was http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=11012600 I assume, which is in fact 3 battleships, among other things, versus that armageddon. They weren't even failfit either, apart from the Rohk. So, it was probably a mix of very nice piloting and a good fit.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.08.05 14:10:00 - [8] Edited by: Jacob Holland on 05/08/2010 14:14:58 For a cheap PvP Armageddon fit you could do worse than looking at Kil2s video Armageddon, with the commentary. He works with low named modules in general, dual heavy pulse as his primary armament... all very suitable for a younger character. He also works on the principle that flying a cheap ship opens yet another way of winning a fight. I'll see if I can dig out a link. <Edit> Linkage </Edit>
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.05 14:23:00 - [9] Geddons can make quite potent ships - they do a lot of damage at an impressive range and have a huge dronebay. However part of what makes them good is scorch ammo - without the T2 guns, they're not nearly so good. If you're quite a new pilot, then the 'geddon won't shine for you. Also: How sure are you that in that fight, he didn't have a logistics alt in support? I could try second guessing a fit, but I'm not sure, since megapulses, a repper, MWD and cap injector are very tough to all shoehorn on. However, if you're looking at someone with a logistics alt somewhere (which I've seen a lot in highsec) then a 'geddon can do a vast amount of damage, and mount enough buffer and resists that a logistics ship can give it a very impressive amount of tank.
Xephys Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.05 14:28:00 - [10] Here, this is Kil2's fit, which I've always thought was excellent. http://www.echelon5.net/clubbear/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4128 If you know what you're doing, you won't need the MWD either.

Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.08.05 14:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Xephys Here, this is Kil2's fit, which I've always thought was excellent. http://www.echelon5.net/clubbear/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4128 If you know what you're doing, you won't need the MWD either. Or if you prefer the same in EFT format: [Armageddon, Kil2] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Large Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I Heat Sink II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Large Energy Burst Aerator I Large Energy Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot] Berserker II x5 Skill intensive and not easy to use but impressive when it all comes together.
fin1712	Posted - 2010.08.05 15:02:00 - [12] Just saw Kil2's fit. I wonder how I will manage to get another 3k PG and 1k CPU for that fit...PLugged it into EFT and...161 days.... O_O not to mention I have no clue if that will even give me the necessary PG and CPU.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.08.05 15:45:00 - [13] So downgrade a bit... Drop to Afocal Pulses (dirt cheap and a lot easier to fit), drop to a Automated rep... Replace one of the plates with a Reactor Control if you have to... Take from the fit the intention he had in creating it; short range, good tracking, high buffer with moderate resists and the ability to self repair; rather than directly copying it. While Mr Lyrus is correct in his statement that T2 guns and ammo will make a fit shine they aren't necessary to make a fit work. Without T2 guns and ammo you'll still be doing good damage with multis, you can still achieve good range with Radio... you just won't be able to do both at once. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.08.05 16:01:00 - [14] By my reckonning BTW a named and T1 version of the Kil2 set-up, without rigs, will fit with Electronics 3, Engineering 3 and weapon upgrades 3. One on One versus an experienced pilot in a T2 fit ship it is unlikely to survive, but not all pilots are experienced and you have a corp who can back you up (or whom you can back up). The only thing I would say to potentially dissuade you is to stick to ships you can lose and replace easily, if you sink all of your cash into an Armageddon, lose it on its first flight and then have to sit in station for the duration then you're neither going to be as useful to your corp, nor have as much fun, as if you took a dozen fitted arbitrators and lost ten of them. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
fin1712	Posted - 2010.08.05 16:58:00 - [15] Thanks everyone, I guess I will downgrade to Dual Heavy Afocal Pulse Maser I's! With my skills I am only missing about 1k PG and 30 CPU now!
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.08.05 17:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Jacob Holland While Mr Lyrus is correct in his statement that T2 guns and ammo will make a fit shine they aren't necessary to make a fit work. Without T2 guns and ammo you'll still be doing good damage with multis, you can still achieve good range with Radio... you just won't be able to do both at once. I'm less certain that's a good idea in this particular context. Remember, one of the controversial things about this fit is the lack of a prop mod in order to fit full tackle and an injector. Which in turn means that Scorch is even more important than it regularly would be on an Armageddon. Downgrading to T1 guns doesn't make a whole ton of sense in that context. (Downgrading to a T1 neut, however, makes perfect sense if you're just looking to wedge everything on.)


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