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Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 01:37:00 - [1] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/08/2010 01:46:35 It has come to my attention that certain unwholesome and untrustworthy individuals have attempted to besmirch the name of my corporation. This isn't a press release, this isn't an "official statement", this isn't a "manifesto" or a "political communique". There are times for those, and now is not the time. This is simply what it is: Mixed Metaphor does not, in any way, shape or form, knowingly or voluntarily support the Amarr Empire, the Amarr religion, its proponents, slavery or any institution loyal to any of the above. We don't need to "prove" this. We don't need to "provide evidence" for this. Star Fraction would have us write lengthy discourses or painstakingly account for and justify every single statement each one of our members has ever made. We refuse to play by their rules. We invite anyone who in his own mind doubts our loyalty to the Federation to look at the facts and decide for himself. If you are unsatisfied with our denial, examine as many posts as you wish, in context, without bias. If you wish for outside assurances of our behaviour, Evanda Char of Re-Awakened Technologies, Electus Matari alliance, one of Mixed Metaphor's oldest and most trusted allies, has personally authorised me to list her and her alliance as people who will vouch for Mixed Metaphor's conduct. We remain confident that old friends from Ushra'Khan now in Damu'Khonde will do the same if called upon, as will our acquaintances within the ILF and Moira Vanguard. We serve the Federation. That is all. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Aria Jenneth Caldari Resistance Project	Posted - 2010.08.06 02:45:00 - [2] Andreus, considering that you've been known to publicly burst into flame at the mere suggestion that the Amarrian faith might not be a complete plague, blight, and stain on the cluster ... ... why did you even bother to respond to that attack?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 02:52:00 - [3] A fair question. Ring me up, I'll tell you the answer. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Vikarion Caldari The Guardsmen	Posted - 2010.08.06 03:33:00 - [4] Uh, not that I would ever classify you as an Amarrian-bloc-supporter, but perhaps they are referencing when you teamed up with Ordo Magna against White Rose? Still, it's pretty silly. - - -
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.06 05:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Andreus, considering that you've been known to publicly burst into flame at the mere suggestion that the Amarrian faith might not be a complete plague, blight, and stain on the cluster ... ... why did you even bother to respond to that attack? This. And, send me details, Andreus, please?
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.06 07:09:00 - [6] Star Fraction command staff, being haunted by opposition from all sides, has become quite paranoid and is starting to see plots and cooperations everywhere. All this paranoia is projected into one angst-gegner: 'the regressive Amarrian Imperialist'. If you are speak or act against the Star Fraction you must somehow be allied, supporting or a mouth-piece of that group. I've always argued that anarchists cannot exist with something to rebel against, anarchism is a destructive philosophy, not a constructive one, the Star Fraction command staff has decided that the 'regressive Amarrian Imperialist' are the thing to fight against, and thus nearly everything they fight against they classify as such. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Arci Arratece Sisters of Clarity	Posted - 2010.08.06 08:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Merdaneth I've always argued that anarchists cannot exist with something to rebel against, anarchism is a destructive philosophy, not a constructive one, the Star Fraction command staff has decided that the 'regressive Amarrian Imperialist' are the thing to fight against, and thus nearly everything they fight against they classify as such. I disagree Merdaneth, and I disagree with you at several levels. The first is the supposition that Star Fraction are in fact, Anarchists, they are not in fact Anarchists, they are radical freedom fighters, but regardless of what they say, they are not anarchists, and from my looking into them, they have never been anarchists, they are enheduanni, which is to say, a malignant growth on the expansion of freedom and individual rights, they are a cancer within the liberal elements of the cluster. I have worked with the Sisters all my life in order to create an environment of peace and freedom between all groups in the cluster, to expand upon person rights and create an era of acceptance and freedom for all human beings. Star Fraction are not working towards this goal of greater oikis, they are diametrically opposed to it, instead pursuing a goal of anoikis, where, in their minds, everyone would be free to do as they pleased, but in practice, in this state, it would more a state of take what you want. Anarchy is a state of being, it is not a political movement. With anarchy comes an age of ordnung, of true order, which is to say voluntary order, people work together, and go about their lives, free of dispute and interference from any form of government, a lot like Syndicate, with each station having its own ideals, and its own representatives, but with everyone working together, because they know they will die if they don't, or that if they don't, the system will fall out of ordnung, into a state of verwirrung, the Oikis will fall apart, and it will be nothing but chaos. Anarchy is not chaos, anarchy is order of the people. Star Fraction seems to believe that the two are one and the same, which they are not.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:10:00 - [8] I am sure that Mixed Metaphor are as free from association with slavers as any group can be given the often anonymous and interlinked nature of the cluster's economy. Certainly they are opposed to all such activities in support of the Empire and slavery. They have the trust of Mirkur Draug'tyr.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:13:00 - [9] Borza, we do not know each other well, but your solidarity in this ridiculous matter is much appreciated. You have my thanks. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:38:00 - [10] Edited by: ChipMo on 06/08/2010 10:43:15 Originally by: Arci Arratece Edited by: Arci Arratece on 06/08/2010 08:45:21 Originally by: Merdaneth I've always argued that anarchists cannot exist with something to rebel against, anarchism is a destructive philosophy, not a constructive one, the Star Fraction command staff has decided that the 'regressive Amarrian Imperialist' are the thing to fight against, and thus nearly everything they fight against they classify as such. I disagree Merdaneth, and I disagree with you at several levels. The first is the supposition that Star Fraction are in fact, Anarchists, they are not in fact Anarchists, they are radical freedom fighters, but regardless of what they say, they are not anarchists, and from my looking into them, they have never been anarchists, they are Appovitose warriors looking for something to believe in but in the process they have merely become a Leeomouesee, which is to say, a malignant growth on the expansion of freedom and individual rights, they are a cancer within the liberal elements of the cluster. I have worked with the Sisters all my life in order to create an environment of peace and freedom between all groups in the cluster, to expand upon person rights and create an era of acceptance and freedom for all human beings. Star Fraction are not working towards this goal of greater oikis, they are diametrically opposed to it, instead pursuing a goal of anoikis, where, in their minds, everyone would be free to do as they pleased, but in practice, in this state, it would more a state of take what you want. Anarchy is a state of being, it is not a political movement. With anarchy comes an age of ordnung, of true order, which is to say voluntary order, people work together, and go about their lives, free of dispute and interference from any form of government, a lot like Syndicate, with each station having its own ideals, and its own representatives, but with everyone working together, because they know they will die if they don't, or that if they don't, the system will fall out of ordnung, into a state of verwirrung, the Oikis will fall apart, and it will be nothing but chaos. Anarchy is not chaos, anarchy is order of the people. Star Fraction seems to believe that the two are one and the same, which they are not. *ChipMo nearly faints with shock Finally!! Someone gets it!!! We fight for Free Space. We are true freedom fighters, some of us maintain an anarchic state of being but that is not the sum of what we are. You will see, it is usually people who know little of us that label us "Anarchists" without even really understanding what that is. Bravo, excellent post. And be assured, we are under no illusions as to what we are. Edit: Just to be clear, I am talking here about Arci's understanding of Anarchism, that of the fraction still leaves some to be desired. For example, we know exactly what we are fighting for - Free Space. etc etc. Still, I am just thrilled for some one out side the Star Fraction to actually grasp what Anarchism is really about and the difference from the Free Space we prescribe too (although, they are not mutually exclusive). Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 10:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/08/2010 10:38:58 Please move discussion of your vacuous ideology to a thread in which it is in some way relevant. Incidentally, good luck finding one. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Incidentally, good luck finding one. At the risk of sounding like a fanboi, "Snap!" Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:05:00 - [13] I'd give you a high five, but you might get Amarrian quisling all over you. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Andreus, considering that you've been known to publicly burst into flame at the mere suggestion that the Amarrian faith might not be a complete plague, blight, and stain on the cluster ... ... why did you even bother to respond to that attack? Because he gets to spout off in this one with the safety net of having it locked if it blows up in his face? Thought i'd throw that one out there. (By the way Andy, it wasn't Chip who brought up SF's ideology in this thread. Double standards old chum. Nasty things.) http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:12:00 - [15] Ewwwww. You're right, better not. Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.06 11:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor does not, in any way, shape or form, knowingly or voluntarily support the Amarr Empire, the Amarr religion, its proponents, slavery or any institution loyal to any of the above. -------------------- We serve the Federation. You won't hear me argue with any of that. The Federation has no finer servants.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 12:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! You haven't been set -10 because we think you are an Amarrian Loyalist. You have been set -10 because we know you are an Amarrian bootlicker. End of story. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Jade Constantine You have been set -10 because you criticise us and we found a vague sentiment of support for people other people don't like Fixed that for you. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:33:00 - [19] Removed a misquote and the response to the misquote Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Borza Slavak I am sure that Mixed Metaphor are as free from association with slavers as any group can be given the often anonymous and interlinked nature of the cluster's economy. Certainly they are opposed to all such activities in support of the Empire and slavery. They have the trust of Mirkur Draug'tyr. I am sure Damu'Khonde warrior Borza Slavak must have missed the Star Fraction Operation Castrato (intervention in support of the Matari people against the 24th Crusade) where Ixirus for Mixed Metaphor declares for PIE Inc. And the Amarrian Empire in conflict with the Fraction. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Would be a little like the Fraction cheering for Aralis and CVA in Providence against the old Ushra'khan! Ridiculous I grant you. But people's words do go on the record and Andreus and Mixed Metaphor are held to account for the things they say. Perhaps you'd like to have a conversation with your friend and find out precisely what he meant by those words in the context of the Fractions intervention against 24th Crusade slavers Warrior Slavak? Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/08/2010 13:38:02 Ah, there's nothing sweeter than the sound of Jade throwing a teary over being gainsaid by her own allies. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Would be a little like the Fraction cheering for Aralis and CVA in Providence against the old Ushra'khan! Ridiculous I grant you. But people's words do go on the record and Andreus and Mixed Metaphor are held to account for the things they say. Uh, Jade, maybe its not that he hates freedom and liberty. Maybe he just hates Star Fraction. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Nikita Alterana Maybe he just hates Star Fraction. Thank you! Finally, someone's worked it out! ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Nikita Alterana Uh, Jade, maybe its not that he hates freedom and liberty. Maybe he just hates Star Fraction. His motivations don't really matter. The fact he responds to a thread announcing the Fraction's intervention in the conflict between the Matari people and the forces of the Amarrian 24th Crusade by jumping up and down and cheering Amarrian slavers of PIE and has publicly announced he'd rather support Slavers over Fraction simply demonstrates we were right to set him -10 KOS on the organizational basis right? Join the Revolution!
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Nikita Alterana Uh, Jade, maybe its not that he hates freedom and liberty. Maybe he just hates Star Fraction. His motivations don't really matter. The fact he responds to a thread announcing the Fraction's intervention in the conflict between the Matari people and the forces of the Amarrian 24th Crusade by jumping up and down and cheering Amarrian slavers of PIE and has publicly announced he'd rather support Slavers over Fraction simply demonstrates we were right to set him -10 KOS on the organizational basis right? True, and in this, I think you're completely justified. He hates you, so you set him -10. his issue lies in your branding him as a slaver and an Amarr loyalist when he is clearly not one, he just seems the Amarrians as the lesser of two evils, with your alliance being the greater. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Nikita Alterana True, and in this, I think you're completely justified. He hates you, so you set him -10. Thank you. Quote: his issue lies in your branding him as a slaver and an Amarr loyalist when he is clearly not one, he just seems the Amarrians as the lesser of two evils, with your alliance being the greater. I have not actually branded him a slaver or an Amarr loyalist. I have called him an Amarrian boot-licker and lickspital cringer and I believe the quote on record proves this. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! But it is well noted that such is Ixirus's hatred for the fraction it outweighs his hatred of both slavery and Amarrian Nationalism. Something the readers of this thread would do well to file away themselves for future reference. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:09:00 - [27] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/08/2010 14:14:22 Originally by: Nikita Alterana True, and in this, I think you're completely justified. He hates you, so you set him -10. his issue lies in your branding him as a slaver and an Amarr loyalist when he is clearly not one, he just seems the Amarrians as the lesser of two evils, with your alliance being the greater. We haven't branded him a slaver. We haven't branded him an Amarr loyalist. Don't believe his distortions. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! We simply say that he supports Amarr loyalists when it suits him and this is plainly true according to his own words. That's what caused us to re-evaluate him and come to the conclusion that, yes, he is so hostile to us that he will favour slavers over we who fight slavery. It's quite simple. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Aodha Khan Minmatar Matari Stormriders	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 06/08/2010 14:10:35 I haven't witnessed Andreus Ixiris cheering on the Empire maggots but if I do, he will be set KOS here too. ----------------------- Stormriders Recruitment -----------------------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Aodha Khan I haven't witnessed Andreus Ixiris cheering on the Empire maggots but if I do, he will be set KOS here too. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! There you go. Pretty clear. Join the Revolution!
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:17:00 - [30] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We haven't branded him a slaver. We haven't branded him an Amarr loyalist. A faint cough is heard on the feed Originally by: Jade Constantine Think back through your extensive record of kissing Amarrian Nationalist posteriors on Galnet you cringing functionary. There is little doubt about your loyalities and preferences on this score. Even your fellow pilots of the FDU describe you as a belly-up non-entity and you have no existence beyond trolling threads in support of Amarrians on IGS. This being the case I suspect nobody is much surprised to see you condemned alongside the religious hierarchies you aspire to pay with lip service and scrapingly abject obeisance from the carpet of your knees. You have been registered as an enemy of the Star Fraction not because we ever seriously expect to see you in space but because if we do one day make that astounding discovery we'd like the freedom to shoot you then and there rather than waiting for another full conjunction of the myriad stars 24 hours later. I'm sure if this day does come then Archbishop will speak at your memorial. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:27:00 - [31] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/08/2010 14:31:48 I don't see us branding him a slaver or Amarr loyalist in that passage. Rather, I see us expressing the view that he will support Amarr paramilitaries when it suits him. Which is simply true. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! On reflection, I am not sure what point you're making but you're certainly not supporting any claim that we branded him a slaver or Amarr loyalist. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Stitcher Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:30:00 - [32] I wonder if anyone's ever carried out a formal psychiatric profiling of Pilot Constantine... I'll have to try and get my hands on a copy. It should make for entertaining reading. For starters, I suspect that it will simultaneously break two records - the highest densities of the words "paranoid" and "Delusional" in a single document. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:36:00 - [33] Hey mate. You're late, as usual. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Stitcher I wonder if anyone's ever carried out a formal psychiatric profiling of Pilot Constantine... I'll have to try and get my hands on a copy. It should make for entertaining reading. For starters, I suspect that it will simultaneously break two records - the highest densities of the words "paranoid" and "Delusional" in a single document. Not sure where the paranoia is .... Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Are you claiming this comment doesn't exist? Join the Revolution!
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 13:36:38 Originally by: Borza Slavak I am sure that Mixed Metaphor are as free from association with slavers as any group can be given the often anonymous and interlinked nature of the cluster's economy. Certainly they are opposed to all such activities in support of the Empire and slavery. They have the trust of Mirkur Draug'tyr. I am sure Damu'Khonde warrior Borza Slavak must have missed the Star Fraction Operation Castrato (intervention in support of the Matari people against the 24th Crusade) thread where Ixirus for Mixed Metaphor declares his support for PIE Inc. And the Amarrian Empire in conflict with the Fraction. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Would be a little like the Fraction cheering for Aralis and CVA in Providence against the old Ushra'khan! Ridiculous I grant you. But people's words do go on the record and Andreus and Mixed Metaphor are held to account for the things they say. Perhaps you'd like to have a conversation with your friend and find out precisely what he meant by those words in the context of the Fractions intervention against 24th Crusade slavers Warrior Slavak? I read that statement as a tongue-in-cheek way of expressing his dislike of your organisation. I am unaware of any actions Mixed Metaphor have made in support of any Amarrian loyalists.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:52:00 - [36] Thank you, Borza. With two sentences you've pretty much managed to short-circuit six pages of nonsense. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 14:55:00 - [37] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 14:55:33 Originally by: Borza Slavak I read that statement as a tongue-in-cheek way of expressing his dislike of your organisation. I am unaware of any actions Mixed Metaphor have made in support of any Amarrian loyalists. As I said earlier in the thread. I think it is quite telling that his hatred for the Fraction outweighs his hatred for slavery. But you are free to make up your own mind of course. If you believe he is in the habit of posting things on galnet that he doesn't believe to be true then I have to take your word for that but it hardly convinces me this is a trustworthy person we are talking about. End of the day this is a whole lot of noise produced by a man who is upset to be set -10 by the Star Fraction as a direct consequence of declaring support for our mutual enemies in PIE Inc. and 24th Crusade. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! But since Ushra'khan and now Damu'Khonde and Star Fraction have the greatest respect for each others independence of standings setting and political outlooks this matter is neither here nor there. Join the Revolution!
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:13:00 - [38] Originally by: ChipMo You will see, it is usually people who know little of us that label us "Anarchists" without even really understanding what that is. Mr. Chipmo, I'm quite sure it was the Fraction itself that profiled themselves as Anarchists and in fact I've heard the Cosmopolite state the Fraction follows an ideology he calls political anarchism. I have no problem with the decription by Arci Arratece, in fact I would prefer ms. Constantine profiling her organization like this in the future. It would certainly save us from a lot of misunderstanding. A group of idealistic warriors looking for a cause that have gradually degenerated into a band of thugs who believe 'might makes right' is a description of Star Fraction I can certainly live with. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:16:00 - [39] Whilst I've been enjoying watching two enemies insult each other, I have a question to ask. If Ixiris' comments regarding PIE and SF mark out Mixed Metaphor as apologists for the Empire, then does Able Citizen's remark on the NAQAM/PIE war of a couple of years back demonstrate SF's support for the Nation? Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:21:00 - [40] Rodj... I... I... I believe I am now in the unenviable position of owing you a drink, you rat bastard. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Arci Arratece I disagree Merdaneth, and I disagree with you at several levels. The first is the supposition that Star Fraction are in fact, Anarchists, they are not in fact Anarchists, they are radical freedom fighters, but regardless of what they say, they are not anarchists, I quite agree with your disagreement. I do think that in their search for 'something to believe in' their focus is now for a large part on those who dare to oppose them, and they attempt to lump everyone opposes them together under the 'regressive Amarrian Imperialist' label, be it as warrior, supporter oe mouthpiece. I find it highly that ms. Constatine apparently sees MXD as an organization belonging to the cluster of 'regressive Amarrian Imperialists' while her own lover doesn't belong to this group, while it is clear for everyone else that the reverse would make much more sense. However, it is interesting that perhaps in their quest for something to believe in, they are (either purposely or unconsciously) trying to aggravate as many parties as possible and generate more conflict. Judging from ms. Constatine statements, it sure seems that the 'regressive Amarr Imperialist' meme is quite effective and winning more and more converts while the years go by. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Rodj Blake Whilst I've been enjoying watching two enemies insult each other, I have a question to ask. If Ixiris' comments regarding PIE and SF mark out Mixed Metaphor as apologists for the Empire, then does Able Citizen's remark on the NAQAM/PIE war of a couple of years back demonstrate SF's support for the Nation? By your logic certainly. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:32:00 - [43] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 15:36:05 Originally by: Merdaneth I find it highly that ms. Constatine apparently sees MXD as an organization belonging to the cluster of 'regressive Amarrian Imperialists' while her own lover doesn't belong to this group, while it is clear for everyone else that the reverse would make much more sense. Are you claiming that the Final Stand alliance are Amarrian Imperialists because they took part in the destruction of CVA providence and helped the Ushra'khan liberate those long benighted stars? You seem a bit deluded. But to continue your anology I guess reverse-world works here because MXD have befriended I-RED who were as we all know CVA enforcers of slave-owning Providence. So I guess (to follow your logic). Revan Neferis is a horrible slaver because she is part of Final Stand alliance that fought the CVA. Whereas I-RED are anti slavery because they supported the pro slaver CVA ... or something? Its like you are saying that CVA were actually not slavers at all and only those people that fought and destroyed them were Amarrians (in disguise). Nah that can't be it, thats a bit insane. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade Constantine By your logic certainly. Ah, Star Fraction proudly saluting the double standard, I see. Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Indic	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 15:02:53 To be fair I am also unaware of any actions Mixed Metaphor have made either Then if Andreus and/or Mixed Metaphor haven't done anything to be considered an Amarrian loyalists. This entire standing change seems to be driven by personal feelings rather then good hard evidence. A one line quote made as a snarky remark towards you Jade isn't the best. Now if you had several threads of him kissing the boots of the Amarr well that's a bit more of a solid platform ;)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 15:56:18 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Jade Constantine By your logic certainly. Ah, Star Fraction proudly saluting the double standard, I see. Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam I think the definition for double standard you are looking for is best represented by your own posts in that same thread. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go Naqam. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go PIE. I mean by this same logic you managed to support both PIE Inc. And the Nation in the same thread. You change your colours faster than some species of desert lizard under a kaleidoscope! Going back to the same thread (which is entertaining in its application to this current discussion). Some interesting quotes about your reputation there. Originally by: Lyra Garris I know an old quote that says necessity is the mother of invention. I don't know about that, but Andreus here makes a strong case for the phrase 'Cowardice is the mother of duplicity.' Still lets not get too far from the point. This is still about your spoken support for PIE Inc. And so far you have done nothing but prove our point in this thread. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:55:00 - [47] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/08/2010 15:55:28 My, my. Does someone need one of these wonderful inventions? Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Jade Constantine I think the definition for double standard you are looking for is best represented by your own posts in that same thread. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go Naqam. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go PIE. I mean by this same logic you managed to support both PIE Inc. And the Nation in the same thread. You change your colours faster than some species of desert lizard under a kaleidoscope! I read that tread just now, and took Mr. Ixiris' words to mean he hates both factions. In one line he hope Naquam destroy PIE, in the other, he hopes PIE destroys Naquam. Would not that mean he hope they will gun each other down? At least, it would appear so from my viewpoint. Where I'm from, if two of your arch-enemies are fighting each other, you would hope they wipe each other out. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/08/2010 16:05:19 Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Originally by: Jade Constantine I think the definition for double standard you are looking for is best represented by your own posts in that same thread. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go Naqam. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Wow. I mean... wow. It's a toss up between whom I dislike more and whom I like less. Sansha's Nation or PIE... with considerable and obvious effort, Andreus grits his teeth and opens his mouth, to utter a phrase which obviously causes him great emotional pain ... go PIE. I mean by this same logic you managed to support both PIE Inc. And the Nation in the same thread. You change your colours faster than some species of desert lizard under a kaleidoscope! I read that tread just now, and took Mr. Ixiris' words to mean he hates both factions. In one line he hope Naquam destroy PIE, in the other, he hopes PIE destroys Naquam. Would not that mean he hope they will gun each other down? At least, it would appear so from my viewpoint. Where I'm from, if two of your arch-enemies are fighting each other, you would hope they wipe each other out. You mean like when I have said that I would like the Nation and Amarrian Nationalist Imperialism to wipe each other out. Something like that? (or is that somehow specially different). Join the Revolution!
Eno Lacigol Amarr DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:09:00 - [50] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/08/2010 14:14:22 Originally by: Nikita Alterana True, and in this, I think you're completely justified. He hates you, so you set him -10. his issue lies in your branding him as a slaver and an Amarr loyalist when he is clearly not one, he just seems the Amarrians as the lesser of two evils, with your alliance being the greater. We haven't branded him a slaver. We haven't branded him an Amarr loyalist. Don't believe his distortions. Can you elaborate on what the difference between a Loyalest and a boot-licker is?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Eno Lacigol Can you elaborate on what the difference between a Loyalest and a boot-licker is? One has some principles, the other doesn't. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Eno Lacigol Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/08/2010 14:14:22 Originally by: Nikita Alterana True, and in this, I think you're completely justified. He hates you, so you set him -10. his issue lies in your branding him as a slaver and an Amarr loyalist when he is clearly not one, he just seems the Amarrians as the lesser of two evils, with your alliance being the greater. We haven't branded him a slaver. We haven't branded him an Amarr loyalist. Don't believe his distortions. Can you elaborate on what the difference between a Loyalest and a boot-licker is? Rodj Blake is one. Andreus Ixirus is the other. Next Question. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:23:00 - [53] I am struggling to see the problem with an individual Star Fraction pilot wishing for a slaver corporation to be defeated. It's hardly the same as the CEO of a corporation wishing for a slaver corporation to triumph in a war involving slavery. Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam Able Citizen displays his anti-slavery principles in focusing on opposition to what was then most certainly the greater immediate threat to freedom out of the two concerned entities: an Amarr paramilitary corporation actively committed to fighting in support of slavery more than two years ago. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Andreus Ixiris trashes his anti-slavery principles and focuses on opposition to an alliance he hates so much so he is moved to cheer on slavers against people fighting against slavery a year ago, in the middle of an intense conflict between the Amarr and Minmatar. The two cases couldn't be less alike. Hence me being happy to reproduce the quote from Able. If you're so happy with your words, perhaps you'll reproduce them and explain them. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:42:00 - [54] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I am struggling to see the problem with an individual Star Fraction pilot wishing for a slaver corporation to be defeated. It's hardly the same as the CEO of a corporation wishing for a slaver corporation to triumph in a war involving slavery. Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam Able Citizen displays his anti-slavery principles in focusing on opposition to what was then most certainly the greater immediate threat to freedom out of the two concerned entities: an Amarr paramilitary corporation actively committed to fighting in support of slavery more than two years ago. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Andreus Ixiris trashes his anti-slavery principles and focuses on opposition to an alliance he hates so much so he is moved to cheer on slavers against people fighting against slavery a year ago, in the middle of an intense conflict between the Amarr and Minmatar. The two cases couldn't be less alike. Hence me being happy to reproduce the quote from Able. If you're so happy with your words, perhaps you'll reproduce them and explain them. The Cosmopolite Let me get this right; A member of Star Fraction, who are affiliated with the Angel Cartel, a known slaving entity, wishes for the Nation, another well known absolute-slavery entity, to win a war against an Amarrian Imperial corporation, PIE.inc, was this so? One of your anti-slavery freedom-fighters, already on good terms with one slaver entity, cheers for another, arguably worse slaver entity, in their war against a third slaver-entity, and this is perfectly fine. When I create a list of Nation supporters for their detriment, this is hypocritical because I was born a pure-blood Amarrian Imperial and are thus a slaver by the true meaning of the word, ergo with no right to say anything bad about Nation supporters because the Nation and the Empire both hold slaves. When Andreus Ixiris cheers for an Amarrian corporation in a war between them and Star Fraction, this is wrong because as this corporation, PIE.inc, are slavers and Amarrian Imperials, this thus makes Andreus a slavery supporter, despite any action he may have taken to counter this claim. This act has 'trashed his anti-slavery reputation' due to one comment, possibly sarcastic. Is this correct? _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Originally by: The Cosmopolite I am struggling to see the problem with an individual Star Fraction pilot wishing for a slaver corporation to be defeated. It's hardly the same as the CEO of a corporation wishing for a slaver corporation to triumph in a war involving slavery. Originally by: Able Citizen Despite my affinity for the Cartel, may the Nation be victorious. Best wishes to Naquam Able Citizen displays his anti-slavery principles in focusing on opposition to what was then most certainly the greater immediate threat to freedom out of the two concerned entities: an Amarr paramilitary corporation actively committed to fighting in support of slavery more than two years ago. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And another one of those rare wars were I'm actually rooting for PIE! Go Amarrians! Andreus Ixiris trashes his anti-slavery principles and focuses on opposition to an alliance he hates so much so he is moved to cheer on slavers against people fighting against slavery a year ago, in the middle of an intense conflict between the Amarr and Minmatar. The two cases couldn't be less alike. Hence me being happy to reproduce the quote from Able. If you're so happy with your words, perhaps you'll reproduce them and explain them. The Cosmopolite Let me get this right; A member of Star Fraction, who are affiliated with the Angel Cartel, a known slaving entity, wishes for the Nation, another well known absolute-slavery entity, to win a war against an Amarrian Imperial corporation, PIE.inc, was this so? One of your anti-slavery freedom-fighters, already on good terms with one slaver entity, cheers for another, arguably worse slaver entity, in their war against a third slaver-entity, and this is perfectly fine. When I create a list of Nation supporters for their detriment, this is hypocritical because I was born a pure-blood Amarrian Imperial and are thus a slaver by the true meaning of the word, ergo with no right to say anything bad about Nation supporters because the Nation and the Empire both hold slaves. When Andreus Ixiris cheers for an Amarrian corporation in a war between them and Star Fraction, this is wrong because as this corporation, PIE.inc, are slavers and Amarrian Imperials, this thus makes Andreus a slavery supporter, despite any action he may have taken to counter this claim. This act has 'trashed his anti-slavery reputation' due to one comment, possibly sarcastic. Is this correct? If I "sarcastically" say that I wish the Nation dropships would burn your families estates to the ground and uplift your entire line to true slave status as a poetic punishment for their support of imperialist slavery will I end up back on your list? Join the Revolution!
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.06 17:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Jade Constantine If I "sarcastically" say that I wish the Nation dropships would burn your families estates to the ground and uplift your entire line to true slave status as a poetic punishment for their support of imperialist slavery will I end up back on your list? No, you would not. And my question has not been answered. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire.
Stitcher Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.08.06 18:07:00 - [57] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2010 18:08:46 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/08/2010 16:01:17 My, my. Does someone need one of these wonderful inventions? no point, she doesn't have the prerequisite hardware. Without one of THESE she'd never be able to use it. Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Stitcher I wonder if anyone's ever carried out a formal psychiatric profiling of Pilot Constantine... I'll have to try and get my hands on a copy. It should make for entertaining reading. For starters, I suspect that it will simultaneously break two records - the highest densities of the words "paranoid" and "Delusional" in a single document. Not sure where the paranoia is .... so you don't challenge the "delusional" part, then? interesting. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.08.06 18:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Stitcher Not sure where the paranoia is .... so you don't challenge the "delusional" part, then? interesting. Lets see if you can understand the meaning of one word before we start on another. Baby steps. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.08.06 18:52:00 - [59] It's ~~funny~~ effing hilarious that a woman insulting someone else's intelligence can't even work out where to put her apostrophes. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Stitcher Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.08.06 19:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Stitcher Not sure where the paranoia is .... so you don't challenge the "delusional" part, then? interesting. Lets see if you can understand the meaning of one word before we start on another. Baby steps. well, paranoia IS a delusion. You, pilot, suffer from a great many of them. I'd list them, but your fragile ego, driven as it is by the constant need for attention and to ridicule your critics... well, the poor thing might crack under the strain. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Cyferwolf	Posted - 2010.08.06 19:10:00 - [61] Jade, your desperate grasping at straws doesn't change the simple, sad reality. There is no righteous revolutionary movement involved in this, no great cause to lord over us as justification. It's just part of your own personal ****ing match with someone you don't like, and a thinly veiled attempt to justify it under those vaunted freespace principles you love to crow about. Grow up and admit to reality. You're no better off than the "Enemies of Freedom and other Regressive Nationalist Dogs, Race-traitors, Collaborators and Quislings" (Nice change of terms there, by the way, covering your arse after the fact) You're thug with a gun like the rest of us.

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