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Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.09.27 07:22:00 -
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Scamming? In my EVE? |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
186
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Posted - 2011.09.27 07:25:00 -
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Have to admit I've never fallen for a straight scam (I did lose some money in various investment schemes here and there, but it was a calculated risk, or so I was telling myself at the time).
Speaking of mistakes and not paying attention, I remember a corpmate buying a Badger off the market for 700 million ISK during a hectic redeployment... using the corporation wallet of course. Let's just say we were not happy with him.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Sarmatiko
108
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Posted - 2011.09.27 08:22:00 -
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In the first hours of Quafe Zero giveavay I was scammed for 12mil when accepted 5x Quafe Ultra bottles contract (they look same as Zero). But after that I made around 400 mil scamming other players in the next few hours until got bored |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:02:00 -
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i ave a question...
how do you SCAM a ma... i mean woman to have in to having coital relations with you.
im asking coz there is a person in EVE that i would really love to have bugger me
any and all questions are welcome and appreciated |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:00:00 -
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Let me add a scam i've read about.
As some of you may or may not know, even if you can't rig a ship yourself, you can still fly it with the benefits (and penalties) it gives.
For this to happen, you have to give your ship to somebody else to rig it ... ... and he should give you the ship back.
Basically, it works like ...
Victim: "Hi, i just want to inform you that ******** is a scammer." Victim: "I gave her my ship to rig it for me, but she didn't give it back."
I laughed so hard about this ... ... don't make the same mistake. :) |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
13
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:06:00 -
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Oh, there's another hint.
There was this bank called Phaser Inc. and they promised 5% interest per week.
If you ever, ever see something like this ...
You CAN profit from it (as did quite a few, like me), BUT THE GOLDEN RULE IS TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE !
Like ... when you hear about it and it's fresh, like a month old ... invest. The sooner (context: runtime of the scam) you reach point of ROI, the better.
Scams of this order of magnitude will last at least a few months. Like, the Phaser-scam lasted 8 months (i've given it a year ... close call ^^) and i made 55 Mill Profit of it (seems not much, but hey ... i didn't lose anything... :)
So ... early adopters who know how to beat the scam usually profit, while all the sheep who have no clue ... well. :) |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:29:00 -
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The most i ever lost in a scam was 900 thousand isk so no big deal really. The only time scams effect me now is when i go in to jita and people are just spamming local with their unimaginative scams that only idiots fall for. All it does is creates lag and frustrates people that are actually playing the game. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:30:00 -
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Marc W2048 wrote:hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around. I am more than aware that society in general does not condone scamming and that it is illegal. However we allow idiots to dump coffee on thier laps and sue people for thier own stupidity. At least in Eve you just take your scalded balls and go sit in the station and cry. I personally feel that in the real world we protect the stupid masses too damn much and I for one enjoy the lack of protection in Eve. Oh and I have had corp mates and in game friends that fall prey to a scam that do your "lynching mob" concept and get even with the person that did the scam, so you can exact revenge in Eve.
I might be a bit idealistic but I'm not an idiot (or so I think of myself). There's no way you can shield people from their own stupidity.
What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard.
To stay slightly on topic, the closest to be scammed I was in my early days while still learning my ropes in NPC corp. There was one dude who contacted me that he needs a help with mission and proposed we do it together. The catch was that the mission was in the nearby lowsec system. By this time I knew already what it meant and replied that mom told me not to go to lowsec and that was the end of the story. In hindsight I think I should have gone thru. The loss of cheap frig and even of a pod would be modest price for having interesting experience. |
malaire
64
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:55:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote:What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard. I don't think Margin Trading skill was specifically meant for scammers as you seem to suggest. It is really usefull for real traders also.
If I expect to buy certain item 10 units per day and I make buy order for 100 items, I don't really need ISK at hand to cover all 100 items. If I check my wallet daily, it is enough to make sure I can cover one day forward + some extra just in case.
Or if I am buying 30 different items, each of which sells maybe once per week, I only need enough ISK to cover what I expect to be able to buy in near future, before I get more ISK to cover rest.
And in these cases it's also not a problem for seller if I do happen to run out of ISK, since in real trading there allmost allways is another buy order from another trader. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 13:48:00 -
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malaire wrote:hmskrecik wrote:What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard. I don't think Margin Trading skill was specifically meant for scammers as you seem to suggest. It is really usefull for real traders also. If I expect to buy certain item 10 units per day and I make buy order for 100 items, I don't really need ISK at hand to cover all 100 items. If I check my wallet daily, it is enough to make sure I can cover one day forward + some extra just in case. Or if I am buying 30 different items, each of which sells maybe once per week, I only need enough ISK to cover what I expect to be able to buy in near future, before I get more ISK to cover rest. And in these cases it's also not a problem for seller if I do happen to run out of ISK, since in real trading there allmost allways is another buy order from another trader.
Allright, I went here a bit too far. I didn't want to suggest that this particular skill was introduced in order to facilitate scams. But what I want to say is that the skill probably will stay despite being such nice tool for shaving suckers.
Look, when there is certain rule and it happens that this rule is abused in a way that breaks the game, the rule is changed. Like it happened with nano nerf. And so IRL scamming tends to break "the game" in the long run, that's why there are measures being put to prevent it. In EVE scamming doesn't break the game, not in big picture and not in the long run as it seems, and that's one of differences between EVE and RL and that's why I don't expect it to be fixed in any meaningful way.
The Margin Trading is just an example. I have no personal grudge against this skill. |
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Alejan Gerakh
Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.09.27 14:50:00 -
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Funny thing about my experiences in EVE: I've never fallen prey to scams, mostly because they're generally obvious enough, to me at least, that I think nobody could ever fall for such a fail-scam.
I'm probably not one to fall for any ever, since I generally prefer to put effort into my progress, even if it's the generally-considered mind-numbing experiences of mining or missioning. It's just busy work- often relaxing after a day at real work which pays for my hobby.
So, ultimately, I guess I think, "Oh, hey, you're supposedly giving away money. Whatever. I'll keep doing things the way I know will work. You keep trying to trick people into paying you money for such a transparent ruse."
EDIT: One last thing, though, is the 'never trust anyone in EVE' ... In my case, I came into this game with a group of friends who are still in it, and we have been relying on eachother as a Corporation for the past three years. Speaking of that, you can sometimes trust those you fly with in a Corporation or Alliance. Just *shock* get to know them! Wow, you've never had to do that in another MMO, really, right? Game mechanics don't force you to socialize in other games. In this, if you don't actually socialize with people, get to trust them like you would people in real life, then you aren't probably going to get much of anywhere of importance. At the very least, have real-life friends join you in-game. Maybe if one of your group is a good judge of character (our leader's generally pretty good with it), they can lead things or interview people to join you, and make your circle of friends and confidants larger. Expand a strong, tight-nit Corporation. Become a force to be reckoned with. You won't have any reason to look at questionable deals that may be scams, then.
"You have no power over me." |
S3ND3TH
Czerka. The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.27 15:24:00 -
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i bought a couple 40 million isk drones once when i first started. luckily i only needed 2. i had the screen sorted to location and thought it was 40k isk. realized what i was doing just as i made the final click. i was lucky to learn my lesson there. always sort by lowest price first and triple check the price.
the drones? i got them blown up that day. |
Ruri Dant
The Riot Act Sacra Cupola
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 17:58:00 -
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Scamming.....
I would rather call it an act of Generosity towards the community, helping our fellow Eve players to acquire valuable life changing skills.
READ THE FINE PRINT (one of the few things you have to do in Eve and RL) If it sounds too good to be true READ THE FINE PRINT AGAIN
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4504/scamisartepicnessonmywa.jpg
a little memento of a nice afternoon in Jita, Ramsies Rex actually gave me also a full slave HG set and a full +5 implant set, besides the cash that shows....
Gotta love Jita.
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Meds Dallocort
Elemental Obelisk
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:01:00 -
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What happened to me when i was a noob, was i was flying around in my catalyst and at that time i thought i was a god id just waited 15 mins to get this nice looking ship that was given to me FOR FREEEE by the agent and it ha loads of turret slots, so i slung any gun i had on it plus two mining beams and went to the asteroid fields.
When i had got there i was greeted by a guy who said he wanted to 'test out his guns on me to see the logs, and to see how much damage mine do' so thinking i was unbeatable, i followed his instructions to take from his can (he stupidly explained it out for me so i know how the process works now). He hit me with his pvp fit weapons and blew me to pieces.....
i was sad but i would never let him win so i acted like 'oh it was just a ship, i can get another' and he left....
Now that i think back on it, it was probably a good thing, i know now that im not invincible no matter how fancy a ship i have.
And more importantly i know not to trust anyone i dont know, so maybe scamming is a good thing, it toughens you up a bit, hell ive even tried to bait a bunch of peoples (before deciding that stupid plan is stupid and left). |
Carva
Omega Celestial Procurement Omega Consortium Projects
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:23:00 -
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I haven't fallen for a scam yet, exactly. I did purchase a Carpo Mining Upgrade for 400 mil just before the nerf in 2007. Thats when i started reading the forums and dev blogs. |
Markus Reese
New Eden Weekly Sentinel
1
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:58:00 -
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I fell victim to the hauler theft in high security.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=6090568
By my standards nowadays, isn't really that much. But back as a rookie, a full hauler can represent months of work. Never haul around a full cargo hold on autopilot. There are players that scan for undefended and high value cargo in order to blow you up and take it. Concord will stop the agressor, but they cannot enforce their friend from taking the remaining cargo hold.
Never haul large quantities or high value items on autopilot, or high value items in frail ships such as rookie ships or shuttles. |
Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries. Two Zero One One
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:16:00 -
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Think the most common one I seen in jita is the guy selling via contract a bunch of items for say 4 billion isk. -áTelling you in chat good deal and resellable on market. -áWhen you check the prices on market they seem to match!!-á
What some will fall for is when they see the market prices they are missing the part where the seller has basically fixed the prices by having a crazy ass sell and buy orders for crazy money. -á But if you look close you will see they are a fixed amount that nobody would ever try getting or would pay or would pay. -á
In all you getting a great bargin at 4 items worth maybe 20 million and paying 4 billion lol. |
Bless's Minion
DuckPus Fightclub
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 03:40:00 -
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I can think of 4 more scams just off the top of my head. These ones are trickier than the usual scams and a bit rarer, so they are end up being more effective.
Seemingly High Profit Nullsec Courier Contracts
This is when a courier contract has a really good reward, but goes into null sec. However, many stations in null sec are player owned, which means that players can change the properties of the station, such as docking rights, and docking fees. If you accept this contract, you will put down a sizable collateral, get out to the null sec station, and either not be able to dock, or have to pay more than the contract reward to get in to the station. At this point you are basically screwed either way.
Prevention: Do not accept null sec courier contracts when you are a new player unless you are familiar with the stations the contract is referring to. Also null sec is a dangerous place, so you will if you are new and don't know what you are doing you are more likely to die than to live.
Inflated Prices in Market
People with a lot of isk will sometimes buy up all of a cheap item on a trade hub market. They will then create a lot of sell orders for random amounts of the item, but all orders will be for a significantly price, (usually x1000). To anyone who is buying items fast, this creates the illusion that the market is functioning normally. They buy what they need and don't notice the extra zeros. This especially effective on industrial items that rich people buy frequently and in bulk.
Prevention: ALWAYS look at the final price before you click 'buy'. If you are unsure if an item is being manipulated, look at the market price history graphs.
Mass Eve-mails
Mails that you get from people you don't know telling you about a good deal or something is always a scam. This can be further confirmed if you notice that he also sent it to 50 other people close in the alphabet to you. The most common ones are navy ships and investing. There are much easier ways to let people know about your offers than through eve-mail. If someone is taking the time to do this, they are banking on the hope that you will think you are special for being one of the few people that was sent this offer.
Prevention: Never reply to mass eve-mails. If you want, you can even set your mail charge to max so that they have to pay for their schenagians. Be careful with this though, if you are in a player corp, everyone will get pissed off. Good idea for trade alts though.
Jita Scavenger Hunt
This is one of the best ones, because it prays on people who are actively looking to spot scams. It is a variation on the above scam, in that the market price of one item is inflated in a market hub. The scammer posts a contract in chat saying that it is a scavenger hunt, and if you buy all of the items that the contract requests, you will get a large sum of money. People look at this contract, and see that it is actually offering the money(instead of asking for it) so they assume it is actually for real. Then they quickly go through the jita markets, and buy up all the seemingly cheep junk so they can complete the contract before everyone else in jita. They are doing this so fast, that they don't notice that one of the items is inflated. By the time they try to accept the contract, it has already been deleted by the issuer. A variation on this is that sometimes scammers will ask for a very rare item that isn't even on the market. This allows them to leave the contract up for a longer period of time with minimal risk.
Prevention: Don't try to buy the items in scavenger hunt contracts. In fact, just don't click on any contracts in Jita local. It is 95% scams and 5% stuff you don't need.
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Lo Res
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 04:22:00 -
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i once gave my credit card information to some game developers from Iceland.
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Vedje
ZERO-STORE-K-A-O-S W-O-R-L-D-INVASION E.B.O.L.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 07:49:00 -
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I was a victim of a scam in very crucial time, back when i just started playing EVE online. One fine day, after spending few hours with my very first corp in Deltole ratting our corp ceo decided it was about time to teach us noobs a lesson in scanning. So the man requested each of us to prepare a cheap ship, such as a frigate and equip it with probe luncher's.
Of course filled with joy and excitement i went to market and searched for a Kestrel. To my great pleasure i found one right where i was in Deltole. Bought the frig and started fitting it.
Now there was one peculiarity. I was about to buy a probe launcher as i got a message that i don't have sufficient cache in my wallet. immediately i started checking the wallet and bill that i paid, as i was sure i had a lot of isk before. Now for my surprise, that Kestrel which i thought i bought for 175k in fact did not cost as much as i thought. The damn thing was slightly overpriced In fact i paid 175m for a kestrel.
The the moment most of us know, when the cold sweat starts running down your back knowing that you fu... up badly.
Eve is dangerous, one might feel safe docked in a station, but fact is, even there there is someone preying on you ... |
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raidnkill
Rache-Engel
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:00:00 -
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Just do this one thing and u'll never be scammed
'In Eve, Assume everything is a scam until proven otherwise'
Especially if things are too good to be true, they probably are
5 years of playing EVE, 0 times scammed |
Vladimir Helios
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:18:00 -
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Spiritualhawk wrote:goonswarm has tried to scam me, as i am a industrial/mining pilot. more than three or four offers have been thrown my way from time to time. and if any goonswarm tries to lie about it, i have the chat logs to prove it. the trick is to remember one thing goon, and their allies, cannot be trusted for even recruitment. kelly mcgill tried to take me for all i was worth. got the chat logs to prove it too. if you see her in recruitment, dont ever answer her. its a setup. they will go to seroius lengths to make you believe that its legit, but on goons own webpage it says if someone asked you for any money at all, its a scam.
dont ever believe anything you see in local. your best bet is just to remember that REAL corps will not ask you to move your items thru lowsec, or into nullsec. they will work with you, and not give you a deadline. a real corp wont promise the moon, with no investment of time, or isk. if it seems too good to be true, it is. dont forget even if they let you into the corp, they now have the ability to pop you no matter what, and no concord interference.
.. but thats the name of eve. no risk; no reward. think your decisions over carefully.
If your going to be scammed, try and make sure you fall victim to one of TEST's recruitment scams. Because unlike Goons, we ain't damned space-rich.
At least you will be safe in the knowlege that your donated ISK will go to the ease the suffering of our impoverished noobie pilots. |
Iorakian Delthar
Jacques of All Trades
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:20:00 -
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Saw an interesting one in Jita just a short while ago.
Quote:BORED OF WEEKS LONG TRAINING QUEUE ? BUY THIS Synthetic Synapses AND BOOST YOUR SKILLS ! ONLY 20M for 1M SKILL POINTS !
I give it 7/10 for being original. |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:05:00 -
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Dont be fooled by the beautiful CCP. new comer noobs, scams suck. And even though ccp will like you for being scammed its not worth it. Keep the eyes open, and let ccp get into their own falling for scams, and dont let them drag ya down with them. |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:23:00 -
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Word of advice, passive agressive in this game= fully aggressive, easy way to tell if they will scam or shoot ya. and if they ask alot, if they ask alot, can be a scam. If passive agressive and asking alot=definetly will be shot. |
Aphroditie Fortune
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 20:32:00 -
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Scamming is for some people a career. I have done alot of scamming (on alts), there are many scams which people should know about, but here are afew scams people aren't aware of...:
The ship builders scam... Any chance to get a ship made for cheaper is always welcome, so people asking for ship builders allows scammers to take advantage by asking for a deposit to pay for the building costs of a ship, usually 50% deposit or 25% deposit, to avoid this, use a third party trade person such as chribba.
The corperate recruitment "i'll move your stuff" scam... The typical "we have a freighter/carrier, we could move your assets safely" scam, taking in new recruits and taking there stuff... similar to the goonswarm "we require 200 mill isk to make sure ur not a spy" scam, easy to avoid.
The lottery scam... People say "lottery isn't a scam" but trust me, most are.... they say they have 1 big prize, but in reality one of there many alts is usually the one to win the prize, so all the money from people buying "tickets" goes straight into the scammers wallet, and the prize usually doesn't even exist.
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Aswell as scams there are other things which can cause problems, ninja salvagers (don't attack them, they usually have backup), the 1 vs 1 fighters with neutral reps, the anti miners who join mining corps then kill the mining fleets, and more.... many i admit i have done, but then again the idiots who fall for it most likely won't read this =)
Fly safe new eden. |
flank steak
Ancient Malevolence Rage Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.29 03:44:00 -
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Don't let strangers T2 rig your ships |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:27:00 -
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I've been playing EVE for almost 4 years now on 2 accounts, I've never been scammed. Until last Saturday.
1: Greed is *not* good. 2: If it looks too good to be true it usually is. 3: If no-one else reacts upon this "offer you cannot resist", scratch your own skull why you should.
In short, I just bought 1 GTC, converted it to 2 PLEX then saw an "offer" in local for a contract: buy 1 PLEX, only 320Mil, need skill books and I was like, 'hey, I can make 60 mil profit on this'.
The contract stated: - YOU WILL PAY: 320.000.000 ISK (320 Million) - YOU WILL GET: 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX) x 1
I lost: 320 mil.
Somewhere in the fine print it also included me to pay with a PLEX and I didn't see it. After 3 times going over the contract. |
malaire
70
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:35:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:In short, I just bought 1 GTC, converted it to 2 PLEX then saw an "offer" in local for a contract: buy 1 PLEX, only 320Mil, need skill books and I was like, 'hey, I can make 60 mil profit on this'. The contract stated: - YOU WILL PAY: 320.000.000 ISK (320 Million) - YOU WILL GET: 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX) x 1 I lost: 320 mil. Somewhere in the fine print it also included me to pay with a PLEX and I didn't see it. After 3 times going over the contract. Image of such a scam: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1109/2011.09.23.20.25.00.png (from post #3 in this thread) There is red "You will pay ... 1 PLEX" below that green "You will get 1 PLEX". Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Moyra Jurescki
BACKFIRE Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 09:39:00 -
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I play this game for quite some time. I have been able to avoid all kind of scams but one. The Quafe Zero scam. OFC I bought about 10 pieces of Quafe Ultra instead of Quafe Zero. I still have those in a can named "Quafe forever" so I can remember to pay a closer look to the contract next time. :)
Cheers! |
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