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CCP Zymurgist
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:03:00 -
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You bet your bottom ISK there are scammers in EVE Online. In fact scamming is a way of life for some pilots out there. When I came to EVE from one of those fantasy based MMOs out there I didnGÇÖt know the first thing about scams and found myself completely flabbergasted at the text flying by my screen in Jita local chat!
In the cold depths of space, scams are common and players will attempt to relieve you of ISK at any opportunity. In fact, I recently purchased a cruiser that had two extra zeros in the price tag! As a new player this can be devastating to your wallet and even your assets if you let someone walk away with them.
Some of us have learned the hard way what kind of scams are out there but hopefully we can help each other out by talking about them. So what are the most popular scams in EVE and how do you protect yourself from them, or maybe even, how did you fall for it? Keep in mind that not all forms of scamming are allowed, does everyone know what kind of scams are illegal?
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malaire
44
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:29:00 -
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Let's start with two common contract scams you see in trade hubs all the time.
Giving all my ISK away for single Tritanium
In this scam, you see message in local saying something like: "I'm leaving EVE. Giving all my ISK away for single tritanium. [Want To Buy]"
The catch is, that the contract is not buying tritanium but selling tritanium. If you accept the contract you will lose a lot of ISK and get single piece of tritanium which is not worth much.
If you read the contract, you see that it clearly says "You will pay (a lot of ISK)" and "You will get Tritanium x1". But the scammer is hoping that you do not read the contract but accept it in hurry since you want to get the ISK which scammer claims to be giving to you.
How to avoid this scam?
Read contract carefully. Especially whether you are giving or receiving ISK and whether you are giving or receiving items.
Fake buy order on market
This is a bit more complicated. Someone is saying in local: "Hangar cleanout. I'm leaving to nullsec soon, selling rest of my items cheap [Multiple Items]"
Now you probably don't know all those items and what they are worth, so you go to market and check their price. You notice that most items are not worth much, but there is buy order for that Station Laboratory for 1400 million ISK. So it seems that you can accept the contract for 900 million ISK, and immediately sell that one item for 1400 million ISK, giving you 500 million ISK profit.
But there is catch. That buy order on market is "fake" and you can't sell to it. If you try to sell to it, it will disappear and you are left with items you bought with 900 million ISK but which are not worth even 100 million ISK.
Now why can't you sell to all buy orders you see on market, even when they are green?
Normally when player makes buy order, game takes all the ISK needed to fulfill that order into escrow, and when someone sells to that buy order he is paid from escrow regardless of whether buyer has any ISK in wallet or not.
But if player making the buy order has Margin Trading skill, game only takes some of the needed ISK into escrow. The rest is taken from buyers wallet when someone sells to that buy order. But if wallet happens to be empty (and in this scam, it is allways empty) then buy order just fails and seller can't sell the item since buyer doesn't have enough ISK to cover it.
How to avoid this scam?
This can be more difficult. There is no way to see if buy order is "fake" i.e. if buyer doesn't have enough ISK to actually cover it. My suggestion would be to check price of that item in other regions from website like Jitonomic to see what it really is worth. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
malaire
44
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:18:00 -
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More contract scams, fresh from Jita. Can you spot the scam without reading answers?
Since you dont have Market here, here are few prices to help analyse these contracts:
30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) = 385 million ISK Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher = 75 million ISK Hulk = 194 million ISK Isogen = 60 ISK Medium Cargohold Optimization I = 3.5 million ISK Modulated Strip Miner II = 3 million ISK Raven = 78 million ISK Raven Navy Issue = 340 million ISK
CONTRACTS
1) 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) x 3 990m 2) Isogen x 1050000 (Item Exchange) 49 each 3) URGENT!! WANT TO SELL 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) ONLY FOR 320 MILLIONS ISK!! NEED MONEY TO BUY SKILL BOOKS!! 4) [Want To Buy] PLEX x 10 - - - - 4.5 BIL 5) Raven Navy Issue (Auction) Cheap Navy Raven 6) [Multiple Items] cheap Hulk + fittings, only 190 mil 7) Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher x3 200m
ANSWERS (Try to figure it out yourself before checking answers.)
Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Peregrine Shae
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:29:00 -
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Another variation of the "Fake buy order on market / Margin Trading scam" involves setting a high quantity for the purchase or sale of items. As an example I've seen numerous times, someone will post a buy order above or even very high above regional average for an item you might want to sell. The buy order is going to be for a particular station only. You take your item to that station and when you go to sell it, you get a fraction of what the buy order was. How does it work? The person set the minimum quantity of that high buy order to a large number so that when you go to sell one or two of the item, you can't fill that minimum quantity and so roll over to the next highest buy order. If you're not paying attention when selling a bunch of salvage items at a station, you can end up getting far less ISK that you expected. (They can also use the Margin Trading Scam so that the order cannot be fulfilled even if you meet their minimum quantity.)
You will also see items for sale on the market where their price has a few extra zeros on it. The regional price for a ship might be 30 million, but that person is selling it for 300 million, most likely hoping that you will buy it without realizing you're paying ten, a hundred, or even a thousand times as much as you should be.
There are also buy orders that do this, but with fewer zeros instead of more.
Some items on the market seem haunted by people who post items at a really ludicrous prices. I've seen items that normally sell for 10 thousand ISK selling for 99 million or more. These folks are either hoping you blindly click on their auction or are trying to skew the market price data collected on the item. (Not all data analysis of market data is created equal after all.) They may also be hoping that you will try and buy cheaper items elsewhere (where they may be selling them) and move them to this location thinking if they can get 99 million, you can price it at 50 million and be sure to sell. |
Malcom Dax
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.09.25 00:25:00 -
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Lets not forget the lolfully obvious "send me some isk and I'll double it" scam.
This can go down one of two ways.
You give them isk and never see anything back
OR
You give them a small amount of isk to see if they're genuine and recieve 2x that back. Great you think, this guy is for real, and you give them a lot of isk, which you never see again.
Remember: If it seems too good to be true then it probably is.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
85
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Posted - 2011.09.25 03:45:00 -
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What about there Goonswarm Recruitment scam?
You'll be approached by a member of Goonswarm who will tell you that they're recruiting (Goonswarm don't recruit), and can get your ships ferried out to null sec for a small payment (only a few hundred million ISK). So you give them your ships and your money, and never see them again.
A variation of that scam is where someone claiming to represent Goonswarm will offer your alliance access to some area of null sec. "We're desperate for industrialists" they'll tell you, "rent this system off us, and we'll buy ships & ammo from you." They will of course require a downpayment to cover infrastructure costs, and then they'll meet you at the Torrinos gate in EC-P8R to escort you to your new home. Only they blow you up instead. You never see your ships or money again. |
Nunchuck Norris
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 08:24:00 -
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NAME SIMILARITY SCAM
Another type of scam is the one where people are claiming to sell something , and they sell something else with a similar name .
Example : "WTS Charon for 600m , i need isk now !" . A charon freighter worth ~800+ m isk , so they are hoping noobs will accept it fast without reading carefully .
The catch is this : they are giving a Carbon commodity , not a freighter .
Another example is Onyx Heavy interdictor , where they put instead an unit of Onyx Ochre , an ore type ...
T3 scam
Another type of scam is the one where you see people yelling in Jita "WTS cheap tengu / legion / loki / proteus with subs , 50m under market price , buy it now" .
The catch is they will not give you subsystems (which worth 200m isk) , they will give you skillbooks who worth like 20m isk . |
malaire
50
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Posted - 2011.09.25 08:36:00 -
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This thread might be more usefull in "EVE New Citizens Q&A" section. While some scams are of interest to trial players, most scams requires victim to have something worth taking and trial players generally don't have much assets.
Canbaiting / Yellow container with free items This is often used against new players. You see yellow container floating in space and it says "free items for new players" or something like that. When you go there and take the items you are immediately attacked and your ship is destroyed.
Taking from yellow containers is considered stealing. If you take items from yellow container, CONCORD police doesn't care, but the owner of the container (and his corporation if he is in player corporation) can attack you freely for 15 minutes.
If he attacks you, you can then attack back and defend yourself. But since he was prepared for this and you probably aren't, he will most likely win the fight.
Variations There are some variations to this basic scheme.
Can flipping: While you are mining someone takes your ore from your container into his own. Thief is now red and hopes that you take your ore back (thereby stealing from him) or that you attack him. In either case he can attack you and will likely destroy your ship.
Arranged 1v1 fights: This mechanism is often used for making 1v1 fights in highsec without CONCORD interfering. Player A steals items from Player B which allows Player B to attack Player A. After Player B attacks, Player A can attack back and fight is on.
This is usefull when you want to try 1v1 fight with person you know. But offers of 1v1 fights in local-chat are often scams. Your opponent often has friends nearby who will come to help him, either by attacking you in group or by repairing his ship during fight.
Blue container with free items: Now this is not a scam. If you see blue container or wreck in space, it means that owner has abandoned it and it is now free for anyone to take. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
64
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Posted - 2011.09.25 08:45:00 -
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It Looks the Same Scam
Usually done from a direct, in-station trade the con man will take a non-valuable T1 ship and rename it to look like a faction ship. The victim doesn't know the difference cause the icon is small enough to not noticed the difference in paint job.
Examples include giving you a normal ship when you were expecting the navy issue version or giving you a primae instead of a noctis
To avoid this scam make sure to show info on the ship and read it's description and the easier way is to make sure that the ship has a number in a little black box on it to indicate a stack of one. This little black box being visible means that the ship is repackaged and has lost all of its individuality as compared to the base ship on the database. Loosing this individuality means that it also doesn't have a specific name for anyone to have given it so that you can trust that the name of the ship you see is its actual name. The Drake is a Lie |
malaire
50
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Posted - 2011.09.25 09:48:00 -
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Most scams are allowed in EVE but few are not:
ILLEGAL scamming Character Bazaar-channel is used for selling characters for ISK. Scams relating to this are not allowed.
Buddy invites and rewards from other players-topic has buddy-invite offers from paying players. Scams relating to this are not allowed.
To protect new players, canbaiting/canflipping is not allowed in 24 Rookie Systems. (Article only mentions canflipping but I understand that canbaiting is also not allowed.)
Buying or selling ISK/items/characters for real money is not allowed. (However you can buy PLEX with real money from official site and sell it for ISK in-game.)
Botting or client modification is not allowed. So while you can post your contract-scam to local-chat manually every 5 minutes, you are not allowed to use a bot to automatically paste that text to local-chat every 5 minutes.
Scamming is not allowed in some chat channels. I know that "Help" and "Rookie-Help" chat channels don't allow scamming.
Excessive spamming in local-chat is not allowed. I don't know exact rules for this, but if I remember correctly one scammer told me that you can repost once every minute or after 5 other posts (whichever happens first). But I have not confirmed this. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
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Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:34:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:You bet your bottom ISK there are scammers in EVE Online. In fact scamming is a way of life for some pilots out there. When I came to EVE from one of those fantasy based MMOs out there I didnGÇÖt know the first thing about scams and found myself completely flabbergasted at the text flying by my screen in Jita local chat!
In the cold depths of space, scams are common and players will attempt to relieve you of ISK at any opportunity. In fact, I recently purchased a cruiser that had two extra zeros in the price tag! As a new player this can be devastating to your wallet and even your assets if you let someone walk away with them.
Some of us have learned the hard way what kind of scams are out there but hopefully we can help each other out by talking about them. So what are the most popular scams in EVE and how do you protect yourself from them, or maybe even, how did you fall for it? Keep in mind that not all forms of scamming are allowed, does everyone know what kind of scams are illegal?
Before you lovely devs changed the colors to differentiate between BPO and BPC, I lost quite a bit of isk thinking I was buying a researched BPO on contract. Yes, I was in a hurry. :( |
Manc
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:45:00 -
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Chump change. |
Aelana Anais
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:45:00 -
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Another one I have seen is the "cheatcode" scam.
So lets say this now and definitively
There are no cheatcodes in eve.
Selecting give money and holding down keys while pressing a lot of 1s will just end up with you loosing a lot of isk.
There are other variations of this but this is the one I have seen recently. |
Scorpionidae
63
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:55:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote: In fact, I recently purchased a cruiser that had two extra zeros in the price tag!
Was that from me?!?!? (or one of my alts?) If so that be great!
malaire wrote: Scamming is not allowed in some chat channels. I know that "Help" and "Rookie-Help" chat channels don't allow scamming.
And now the Recruitment channel! <-- I did not like this as it was where I made alot of iskys. (And the only one I know doing it so I guess its my fult)
Scorpionidae If you see my sig... Like me plz? I feel unloved.
Every Day I be Trolling |
Marc W2048
Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:48:00 -
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Honestly in all my years of playing Eve I have never been taken by any type of scam. I have always been smart enough to look at the details of anything being offered. It's pretty simple to tell if something is a scam. Put in simple terms if it sounds too good to be true, it is. Back in the old days of contracts (escrow as it was called back then) I know it was alot easier to post things and get away with scamming. These days you mearly have to look close at what you are about to do and it's obvious that it's a scam.
The sad part of scams in Eve is they tend to screw the newer players over much harder than people like myself. Newer players don't have ISK yet and it's very hard to make alot of ISK as a newer player with low skills. Not to mention they feel it's just a game and that they are safe from scams. Most other MMO's give you things back if you get scammed, not here and that is one aspect of Eve I love. Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
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Trimutius III
Avalon Guards Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:52:00 -
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There were times when I lived solely of trading.
First of all if I give money to somebody then I don't expect something in return (I may give 100-200k ISK to some newbie if he asks politely in local).
Second, if I click some contracts in local chat (like Jita or Amarr or Rens locals), then it may be only for this reasons: - to learn about new scamming techniques (or see old ones) - to laugh about some hilarious scamming techniques - to acknowledge some good scamming technique (though I personally never scam but still i acknoledge some interesting stuff) - to see some rare items for sale Note: if I found rare items in local and want to buy it I will still look through the contract search and Jita market (if applicable) to compare prices (maybe there are more then 1 item for sale)
Third, if I buy, sell something i check the price 3 times, and if I'm not in Jita then i compare prices to Jita prices (i have four accounts and there are usually no problem for me to login an alt that is located in The Forge)
Fourth, if you buy something through contracts never use contracts from chat. Even if you found something good in chat double check and find the same contract through contract search, if you type in Charon in the search you will never get Carbon instead of it... =)
Fifth, Try to avoid courier contracts that ask you to go to low secs and zero secs (even NPC stations) if you are not 100% sure that you will be able to run from the ones who created the contract when they will try to catch and destroy your ship...
That is what most important. And I want to share some experience. Remember that there is skill called Margin trading that allows you to create orders that will cost more than you have on hand (if only part is sold to you there would be no problem but otherwise your purchase will fail) I ones have seen a market order in Jita, somebody wanted to buy a lot of meta 4 medium shield booster for pretty high price. The volume for order was 2349, but nobody could have sold it to him because minimum volume was also 2349. So I actually bought 2349 Meta 4 medium shield boosters all over the empire. For pretty cheap prices I should say (I'm a trader afterall) And when I came to Jita to sell this stuff to that guy my trade failed and his order desappeared. I suppose he didn't have enough money to buy so many shield boosters and I got stuck with 2k+ shield boosters (which I couldn't have sold back fast of course) But I'm thankful a bit, it taught me a lesson that I should never fall for such high minimum volume orders. And actually because of that i started t2 invention, which is pretty profittable (though it still a lot of work to do 2349 invents of Medium Shield Booster II) |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 17:42:00 -
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Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
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Torus Nunn
0utbreak Outbreak.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:01:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
No one endorses scamming. But no one endorses the stupidity to fall victim to a scam either. It's your own doing that got you scammed, no one forced you to do it, and that's what CCP endorses, your own choices. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:11:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:What about there Goonswarm Recruitment scam?
You'll be approached by a member of Goonswarm who will tell you that they're recruiting (Goonswarm don't recruit), and can get your ships ferried out to null sec for a small payment (only a few hundred million ISK). So you give them your ships and your money, and never see them again.
A variation of that scam is where someone claiming to represent Goonswarm will offer your alliance access to some area of null sec. "We're desperate for industrialists" they'll tell you, "rent this system off us, and we'll buy ships & ammo from you." They will of course require a downpayment to cover infrastructure costs, and then they'll meet you at the Torrinos gate in EC-P8R to escort you to your new home. Only they blow you up instead. You never see your ships or money again.
You insult my space-honor, good sir. Take that slander to CAOD where it belongs. |
Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists Yarr Collective
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:09:00 -
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I've never been caught by a scam due to being a scam-savvy little bastard myself (Runescape scamming was the best back in the day, even if they would permaban you for doing it. Pussies.). My first one was more of a corporate theft than a scam, tl;dr version I joined a corp for 3 days and made off with 1.6 bil, give or take.
This is the full story if anyone cares. |
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Lisa Eldridge
GeoCorp. Gentlemen's Agreement
4
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:14:00 -
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Scams are scams and anyone with common sense will see that. I've never been victim to a scam in EVE, nor any game and neither should anyone else fall victim to them. Honestly, I find it ridiculous that developers of a game promote this kind of behavior and it makes my job as a recruiter and director that much harder. Your goal was to get people to trust each other and make friendships correct? Well you keep shooting yourselves in the foot every time you talk about how great it is to ruin friendships and promote paranoia and closed groups. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:07:00 -
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Lisa Eldridge wrote:Scams are scams and anyone with common sense will see that. I've never been victim to a scam in EVE, nor any game and neither should anyone else fall victim to them. Honestly, I find it ridiculous that developers of a game promote this kind of behavior and it makes my job as a recruiter and director that much harder. Your goal was to get people to trust each other and make friendships correct? Well you keep shooting yourselves in the foot every time you talk about how great it is to ruin friendships and promote paranoia and closed groups.
You sound awfully mad. Why you so mad? |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
53
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:33:00 -
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The Killer Recruit Scam
When desperate for new recruits, young CEOs and recruiters will often get lazy with their background checks. They will accept ANYONE into their corp. These scammers are depending upon this laziness. They go to the recruitment channel, say that they are looking for a new corp. They get invited to a chat channel for a quick interview by the eager CEO/recruiter. The scammer is eager to join and wants to help with your mining ops/run missions/whatever it is that you do.
They apply to join the victim's corporation, and once accepted, the carnage begins. You see, CONCORD does not interfere with fights between player corporation members. So once the scammer gets in to your corporation, they can kill whomever they like without any CONCORD interference. They may ransom you, they may look for one of your members with a faction fit navy battleship, they may just go on a rampage and kill everyone they see in your corporation.
The worst part is that once they accept your invitation - YOU CAN'T REMOVE THEM FROM THE CORPORATION UNTIL THEY DOCK OR LOG OFF.
How to avoid falling for this scam: Always do a background check on EVERY recruit. At the very least, check their employment history and look for red flags - having left every corp they join after a very short period of time is the most important red flag to look for in this scam. |
Lord Haur
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:44:00 -
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Trimutius III wrote: Fifth, Try to avoid courier contracts that ask you to go to low secs and zero secs (even NPC stations) if you are not 100% sure that you will be able to run from the ones who created the contract when they will try to catch and destroy your ship...
While on the topic of Courier scams, the "courier to a station you can't dock in" scam isn't the only scam possible. There are also high-volume high-collateral courier contracts with a very short completion time, and often a high reward. The idea for the scammers here is twofold: one, get the courier to cough up a large collateral for a package worth a few million ISK, typically POS modules or low value components for capitals/stations. Secondly, they ensure that the package must be carried by a ship with a large cargohold. This makes it a much easier target to suicide gank, thus ensuring the contract can never be completed.
If you ARE going to risk these kind of contracts, always use an alt character to accept the contract, preferably in a NPC corp, and then trade the package to your main for hauling. However, check out the route required, and be extra vigilant if it leads into a small pocket with only one entrance, or if the only route passes through an area off the major trade lanes. The scammers may/will be watching these locations and using Cargo Scanners to check the contents of any passing hauler/freighter, for one that matches their courier contents. |
Spiritualhawk
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 00:05:00 -
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goonswarm has tried to scam me, as i am a industrial/mining pilot. more than three or four offers have been thrown my way from time to time. and if any goonswarm tries to lie about it, i have the chat logs to prove it. the trick is to remember one thing goon, and their allies, cannot be trusted for even recruitment. kelly mcgill tried to take me for all i was worth. got the chat logs to prove it too. if you see her in recruitment, dont ever answer her. its a setup. they will go to seroius lengths to make you believe that its legit, but on goons own webpage it says if someone asked you for any money at all, its a scam.
dont ever believe anything you see in local. your best bet is just to remember that REAL corps will not ask you to move your items thru lowsec, or into nullsec. they will work with you, and not give you a deadline. a real corp wont promise the moon, with no investment of time, or isk. if it seems too good to be true, it is. dont forget even if they let you into the corp, they now have the ability to pop you no matter what, and no concord interference.
.. but thats the name of eve. no risk; no reward. think your decisions over carefully. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:06:00 -
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Personally, the closest I've come to someone trying to scam me was when I was a few days old and doing mine & return in a Navitas @ Duripant. This guy in an industrial comes along and kindly offers to haul my ore for me. I turned him down and he couldn't seem to understand why. I told him that it was because I preferred to do everything myself - but the fact of the matter was - that I didn't trust him - as I had been playing long enough to know that once my ore was in his ship ... it wasn't my ore any more ... I didn't tell him that - as information is power and I was better off pretending that I didn't know what he was up to - than getting in some pissing contest, with him evidencing pretend outrage that I question his motives ... I had better things to do. Of course ... he actually could have been someone just trying to help a new person out ... but ... no ... I'd have been a fool to trust him.
Another scam I saw some people laughing about in Amarr local (including the victim) was a contract for a rigged hulk - including all the fittings. The only problem was ... the only thing actually there ... was the fittings ... no actual Hulk.
Now ... as to the Goons. The thing to understand about the Goons is - they are members of a comedy web site who sometimes play games together. They were calling themselves Goons before EVE existed. That's just their nickname for people who frequent that site (Something Awful) and I had heard of it before I started playing EVE. I've not been there - but I understand that it IS posted on the Goons web site - that in order to join their in game organizations - you have to ALREADY be a member in good standing of the Something Awful web site and have a reference from someone who will vouch for you. Anyone else - is fair game. This is a video of one such "recruitment":
Goon recruitment policy enforced.
For the most part, they seem to be a bunch of guys who like to have fun ... just at other peoples expense. Thus, there is no point in trying to deal with them if you aren't already one of them ...
*shrug*
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Armtoe
One.
86
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:30:00 -
[27] - Quote
Nobody has mentioned the really big eve scams - aka the eve bank. Anybody who says that if you give them x amount of isk and they will give you a guarenteed rate of return is running a classic ponzi scam. |
Marc W2048
Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:54:00 -
[28] - Quote
hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
I am more than aware that society in general does not condone scamming and that it is illegal. However we allow idiots to dump coffee on thier laps and sue people for thier own stupidity. At least in Eve you just take your scalded balls and go sit in the station and cry. I personally feel that in the real world we protect the stupid masses too damn much and I for one enjoy the lack of protection in Eve. Oh and I have had corp mates and in game friends that fall prey to a scam that do your "lynching mob" concept and get even with the person that did the scam, so you can exact revenge in Eve. |
Midori Amiiko
NerdHerd Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 04:31:00 -
[29] - Quote
The key ingredient in any scam is the greed of the mark. Don't be greedy and you'll be immune to 90% of the scams out there. Contract scamming is a lot harder since they added numerical descriptors (like millions) to the ISK figures. Keep your nose clean and your eyes on the details and you'll do all right. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.09.27 06:08:00 -
[30] - Quote
hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
This ones funny..
Personally I don't fall for scams and if youre someone who likes to buy the shinny stuff its best to know contracting prices and scams. I myself am fairly good at catching scams and have no problem blowing them up(calling out scam and details) whenever I see them in local. Some might ***** cause I go so hard and I might get blocked just like the scammer. But at least you've been informed whether you like it or not. Plus it protects newer players I guess. But I know they gotta learn too, one way or another.
I enjoy cramping a scammer bit especially then non botting ones. They're actually there to see you throw salt in their game.. |
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Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 07:22:00 -
[31] - Quote
Scamming? In my EVE? |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
186
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Posted - 2011.09.27 07:25:00 -
[32] - Quote
Have to admit I've never fallen for a straight scam (I did lose some money in various investment schemes here and there, but it was a calculated risk, or so I was telling myself at the time).
Speaking of mistakes and not paying attention, I remember a corpmate buying a Badger off the market for 700 million ISK during a hectic redeployment... using the corporation wallet of course. Let's just say we were not happy with him.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Sarmatiko
108
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Posted - 2011.09.27 08:22:00 -
[33] - Quote
In the first hours of Quafe Zero giveavay I was scammed for 12mil when accepted 5x Quafe Ultra bottles contract (they look same as Zero). But after that I made around 400 mil scamming other players in the next few hours until got bored |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:02:00 -
[34] - Quote
i ave a question...
how do you SCAM a ma... i mean woman to have in to having coital relations with you.
im asking coz there is a person in EVE that i would really love to have bugger me
any and all questions are welcome and appreciated |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
13
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:00:00 -
[35] - Quote
Let me add a scam i've read about.
As some of you may or may not know, even if you can't rig a ship yourself, you can still fly it with the benefits (and penalties) it gives.
For this to happen, you have to give your ship to somebody else to rig it ... ... and he should give you the ship back.
Basically, it works like ...
Victim: "Hi, i just want to inform you that ******** is a scammer." Victim: "I gave her my ship to rig it for me, but she didn't give it back."
I laughed so hard about this ... ... don't make the same mistake. :) |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
13
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
Oh, there's another hint.
There was this bank called Phaser Inc. and they promised 5% interest per week.
If you ever, ever see something like this ...
You CAN profit from it (as did quite a few, like me), BUT THE GOLDEN RULE IS TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE !
Like ... when you hear about it and it's fresh, like a month old ... invest. The sooner (context: runtime of the scam) you reach point of ROI, the better.
Scams of this order of magnitude will last at least a few months. Like, the Phaser-scam lasted 8 months (i've given it a year ... close call ^^) and i made 55 Mill Profit of it (seems not much, but hey ... i didn't lose anything... :)
So ... early adopters who know how to beat the scam usually profit, while all the sheep who have no clue ... well. :) |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
3
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:29:00 -
[37] - Quote
The most i ever lost in a scam was 900 thousand isk so no big deal really. The only time scams effect me now is when i go in to jita and people are just spamming local with their unimaginative scams that only idiots fall for. All it does is creates lag and frustrates people that are actually playing the game. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:30:00 -
[38] - Quote
Marc W2048 wrote:hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around. I am more than aware that society in general does not condone scamming and that it is illegal. However we allow idiots to dump coffee on thier laps and sue people for thier own stupidity. At least in Eve you just take your scalded balls and go sit in the station and cry. I personally feel that in the real world we protect the stupid masses too damn much and I for one enjoy the lack of protection in Eve. Oh and I have had corp mates and in game friends that fall prey to a scam that do your "lynching mob" concept and get even with the person that did the scam, so you can exact revenge in Eve.
I might be a bit idealistic but I'm not an idiot (or so I think of myself). There's no way you can shield people from their own stupidity.
What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard.
To stay slightly on topic, the closest to be scammed I was in my early days while still learning my ropes in NPC corp. There was one dude who contacted me that he needs a help with mission and proposed we do it together. The catch was that the mission was in the nearby lowsec system. By this time I knew already what it meant and replied that mom told me not to go to lowsec and that was the end of the story. In hindsight I think I should have gone thru. The loss of cheap frig and even of a pod would be modest price for having interesting experience. |
malaire
64
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:55:00 -
[39] - Quote
hmskrecik wrote:What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard. I don't think Margin Trading skill was specifically meant for scammers as you seem to suggest. It is really usefull for real traders also.
If I expect to buy certain item 10 units per day and I make buy order for 100 items, I don't really need ISK at hand to cover all 100 items. If I check my wallet daily, it is enough to make sure I can cover one day forward + some extra just in case.
Or if I am buying 30 different items, each of which sells maybe once per week, I only need enough ISK to cover what I expect to be able to buy in near future, before I get more ISK to cover rest.
And in these cases it's also not a problem for seller if I do happen to run out of ISK, since in real trading there allmost allways is another buy order from another trader. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 13:48:00 -
[40] - Quote
malaire wrote:hmskrecik wrote:What I wanted to point is that IRL most of the scamming activities are plainly illegal, even if badly enforced. In EVE maybe there is not a "thou shall scam" commandment but still it is very welcome by devs ("hey, it's a part of the game") and so there are given some nice tools towards it (say, this market order skill), while normally such holes tend to be plugged. I can live with it, for me it's a part of the game too. I just protest against saying that EVE community emulates any real society. At least in this particular regard. I don't think Margin Trading skill was specifically meant for scammers as you seem to suggest. It is really usefull for real traders also. If I expect to buy certain item 10 units per day and I make buy order for 100 items, I don't really need ISK at hand to cover all 100 items. If I check my wallet daily, it is enough to make sure I can cover one day forward + some extra just in case. Or if I am buying 30 different items, each of which sells maybe once per week, I only need enough ISK to cover what I expect to be able to buy in near future, before I get more ISK to cover rest. And in these cases it's also not a problem for seller if I do happen to run out of ISK, since in real trading there allmost allways is another buy order from another trader.
Allright, I went here a bit too far. I didn't want to suggest that this particular skill was introduced in order to facilitate scams. But what I want to say is that the skill probably will stay despite being such nice tool for shaving suckers.
Look, when there is certain rule and it happens that this rule is abused in a way that breaks the game, the rule is changed. Like it happened with nano nerf. And so IRL scamming tends to break "the game" in the long run, that's why there are measures being put to prevent it. In EVE scamming doesn't break the game, not in big picture and not in the long run as it seems, and that's one of differences between EVE and RL and that's why I don't expect it to be fixed in any meaningful way.
The Margin Trading is just an example. I have no personal grudge against this skill. |
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Alejan Gerakh
Clan Hyena
4
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Posted - 2011.09.27 14:50:00 -
[41] - Quote
Funny thing about my experiences in EVE: I've never fallen prey to scams, mostly because they're generally obvious enough, to me at least, that I think nobody could ever fall for such a fail-scam.
I'm probably not one to fall for any ever, since I generally prefer to put effort into my progress, even if it's the generally-considered mind-numbing experiences of mining or missioning. It's just busy work- often relaxing after a day at real work which pays for my hobby.
So, ultimately, I guess I think, "Oh, hey, you're supposedly giving away money. Whatever. I'll keep doing things the way I know will work. You keep trying to trick people into paying you money for such a transparent ruse."
EDIT: One last thing, though, is the 'never trust anyone in EVE' ... In my case, I came into this game with a group of friends who are still in it, and we have been relying on eachother as a Corporation for the past three years. Speaking of that, you can sometimes trust those you fly with in a Corporation or Alliance. Just *shock* get to know them! Wow, you've never had to do that in another MMO, really, right? Game mechanics don't force you to socialize in other games. In this, if you don't actually socialize with people, get to trust them like you would people in real life, then you aren't probably going to get much of anywhere of importance. At the very least, have real-life friends join you in-game. Maybe if one of your group is a good judge of character (our leader's generally pretty good with it), they can lead things or interview people to join you, and make your circle of friends and confidants larger. Expand a strong, tight-nit Corporation. Become a force to be reckoned with. You won't have any reason to look at questionable deals that may be scams, then.
"You have no power over me." |
S3ND3TH
Czerka. The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 15:24:00 -
[42] - Quote
i bought a couple 40 million isk drones once when i first started. luckily i only needed 2. i had the screen sorted to location and thought it was 40k isk. realized what i was doing just as i made the final click. i was lucky to learn my lesson there. always sort by lowest price first and triple check the price.
the drones? i got them blown up that day. |
Ruri Dant
The Riot Act Sacra Cupola
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 17:58:00 -
[43] - Quote
Scamming.....
I would rather call it an act of Generosity towards the community, helping our fellow Eve players to acquire valuable life changing skills.
READ THE FINE PRINT (one of the few things you have to do in Eve and RL) If it sounds too good to be true READ THE FINE PRINT AGAIN
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4504/scamisartepicnessonmywa.jpg
a little memento of a nice afternoon in Jita, Ramsies Rex actually gave me also a full slave HG set and a full +5 implant set, besides the cash that shows....
Gotta love Jita.
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Meds Dallocort
Elemental Obelisk
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:01:00 -
[44] - Quote
What happened to me when i was a noob, was i was flying around in my catalyst and at that time i thought i was a god id just waited 15 mins to get this nice looking ship that was given to me FOR FREEEE by the agent and it ha loads of turret slots, so i slung any gun i had on it plus two mining beams and went to the asteroid fields.
When i had got there i was greeted by a guy who said he wanted to 'test out his guns on me to see the logs, and to see how much damage mine do' so thinking i was unbeatable, i followed his instructions to take from his can (he stupidly explained it out for me so i know how the process works now). He hit me with his pvp fit weapons and blew me to pieces.....
i was sad but i would never let him win so i acted like 'oh it was just a ship, i can get another' and he left....
Now that i think back on it, it was probably a good thing, i know now that im not invincible no matter how fancy a ship i have.
And more importantly i know not to trust anyone i dont know, so maybe scamming is a good thing, it toughens you up a bit, hell ive even tried to bait a bunch of peoples (before deciding that stupid plan is stupid and left). |
Carva
Omega Celestial Procurement Omega Consortium Projects
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:23:00 -
[45] - Quote
I haven't fallen for a scam yet, exactly. I did purchase a Carpo Mining Upgrade for 400 mil just before the nerf in 2007. Thats when i started reading the forums and dev blogs. |
Markus Reese
New Eden Weekly Sentinel
1
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
I fell victim to the hauler theft in high security.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=6090568
By my standards nowadays, isn't really that much. But back as a rookie, a full hauler can represent months of work. Never haul around a full cargo hold on autopilot. There are players that scan for undefended and high value cargo in order to blow you up and take it. Concord will stop the agressor, but they cannot enforce their friend from taking the remaining cargo hold.
Never haul large quantities or high value items on autopilot, or high value items in frail ships such as rookie ships or shuttles. |
Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries. Two Zero One One
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:16:00 -
[47] - Quote
Think the most common one I seen in jita is the guy selling via contract a bunch of items for say 4 billion isk. -áTelling you in chat good deal and resellable on market. -áWhen you check the prices on market they seem to match!!-á
What some will fall for is when they see the market prices they are missing the part where the seller has basically fixed the prices by having a crazy ass sell and buy orders for crazy money. -á But if you look close you will see they are a fixed amount that nobody would ever try getting or would pay or would pay. -á
In all you getting a great bargin at 4 items worth maybe 20 million and paying 4 billion lol. |
Bless's Minion
DuckPus Fightclub
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 03:40:00 -
[48] - Quote
I can think of 4 more scams just off the top of my head. These ones are trickier than the usual scams and a bit rarer, so they are end up being more effective.
Seemingly High Profit Nullsec Courier Contracts
This is when a courier contract has a really good reward, but goes into null sec. However, many stations in null sec are player owned, which means that players can change the properties of the station, such as docking rights, and docking fees. If you accept this contract, you will put down a sizable collateral, get out to the null sec station, and either not be able to dock, or have to pay more than the contract reward to get in to the station. At this point you are basically screwed either way.
Prevention: Do not accept null sec courier contracts when you are a new player unless you are familiar with the stations the contract is referring to. Also null sec is a dangerous place, so you will if you are new and don't know what you are doing you are more likely to die than to live.
Inflated Prices in Market
People with a lot of isk will sometimes buy up all of a cheap item on a trade hub market. They will then create a lot of sell orders for random amounts of the item, but all orders will be for a significantly price, (usually x1000). To anyone who is buying items fast, this creates the illusion that the market is functioning normally. They buy what they need and don't notice the extra zeros. This especially effective on industrial items that rich people buy frequently and in bulk.
Prevention: ALWAYS look at the final price before you click 'buy'. If you are unsure if an item is being manipulated, look at the market price history graphs.
Mass Eve-mails
Mails that you get from people you don't know telling you about a good deal or something is always a scam. This can be further confirmed if you notice that he also sent it to 50 other people close in the alphabet to you. The most common ones are navy ships and investing. There are much easier ways to let people know about your offers than through eve-mail. If someone is taking the time to do this, they are banking on the hope that you will think you are special for being one of the few people that was sent this offer.
Prevention: Never reply to mass eve-mails. If you want, you can even set your mail charge to max so that they have to pay for their schenagians. Be careful with this though, if you are in a player corp, everyone will get pissed off. Good idea for trade alts though.
Jita Scavenger Hunt
This is one of the best ones, because it prays on people who are actively looking to spot scams. It is a variation on the above scam, in that the market price of one item is inflated in a market hub. The scammer posts a contract in chat saying that it is a scavenger hunt, and if you buy all of the items that the contract requests, you will get a large sum of money. People look at this contract, and see that it is actually offering the money(instead of asking for it) so they assume it is actually for real. Then they quickly go through the jita markets, and buy up all the seemingly cheep junk so they can complete the contract before everyone else in jita. They are doing this so fast, that they don't notice that one of the items is inflated. By the time they try to accept the contract, it has already been deleted by the issuer. A variation on this is that sometimes scammers will ask for a very rare item that isn't even on the market. This allows them to leave the contract up for a longer period of time with minimal risk.
Prevention: Don't try to buy the items in scavenger hunt contracts. In fact, just don't click on any contracts in Jita local. It is 95% scams and 5% stuff you don't need.
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Lo Res
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 04:22:00 -
[49] - Quote
i once gave my credit card information to some game developers from Iceland.
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Vedje
ZERO-STORE-K-A-O-S W-O-R-L-D-INVASION E.B.O.L.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 07:49:00 -
[50] - Quote
I was a victim of a scam in very crucial time, back when i just started playing EVE online. One fine day, after spending few hours with my very first corp in Deltole ratting our corp ceo decided it was about time to teach us noobs a lesson in scanning. So the man requested each of us to prepare a cheap ship, such as a frigate and equip it with probe luncher's.
Of course filled with joy and excitement i went to market and searched for a Kestrel. To my great pleasure i found one right where i was in Deltole. Bought the frig and started fitting it.
Now there was one peculiarity. I was about to buy a probe launcher as i got a message that i don't have sufficient cache in my wallet. immediately i started checking the wallet and bill that i paid, as i was sure i had a lot of isk before. Now for my surprise, that Kestrel which i thought i bought for 175k in fact did not cost as much as i thought. The damn thing was slightly overpriced In fact i paid 175m for a kestrel.
The the moment most of us know, when the cold sweat starts running down your back knowing that you fu... up badly.
Eve is dangerous, one might feel safe docked in a station, but fact is, even there there is someone preying on you ... |
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raidnkill
Rache-Engel
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
Just do this one thing and u'll never be scammed
'In Eve, Assume everything is a scam until proven otherwise'
Especially if things are too good to be true, they probably are
5 years of playing EVE, 0 times scammed |
Vladimir Helios
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:18:00 -
[52] - Quote
Spiritualhawk wrote:goonswarm has tried to scam me, as i am a industrial/mining pilot. more than three or four offers have been thrown my way from time to time. and if any goonswarm tries to lie about it, i have the chat logs to prove it. the trick is to remember one thing goon, and their allies, cannot be trusted for even recruitment. kelly mcgill tried to take me for all i was worth. got the chat logs to prove it too. if you see her in recruitment, dont ever answer her. its a setup. they will go to seroius lengths to make you believe that its legit, but on goons own webpage it says if someone asked you for any money at all, its a scam.
dont ever believe anything you see in local. your best bet is just to remember that REAL corps will not ask you to move your items thru lowsec, or into nullsec. they will work with you, and not give you a deadline. a real corp wont promise the moon, with no investment of time, or isk. if it seems too good to be true, it is. dont forget even if they let you into the corp, they now have the ability to pop you no matter what, and no concord interference.
.. but thats the name of eve. no risk; no reward. think your decisions over carefully.
If your going to be scammed, try and make sure you fall victim to one of TEST's recruitment scams. Because unlike Goons, we ain't damned space-rich.
At least you will be safe in the knowlege that your donated ISK will go to the ease the suffering of our impoverished noobie pilots. |
Iorakian Delthar
Jacques of All Trades
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
Saw an interesting one in Jita just a short while ago.
Quote:BORED OF WEEKS LONG TRAINING QUEUE ? BUY THIS Synthetic Synapses AND BOOST YOUR SKILLS ! ONLY 20M for 1M SKILL POINTS !
I give it 7/10 for being original. |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:05:00 -
[54] - Quote
Dont be fooled by the beautiful CCP. new comer noobs, scams suck. And even though ccp will like you for being scammed its not worth it. Keep the eyes open, and let ccp get into their own falling for scams, and dont let them drag ya down with them. |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Word of advice, passive agressive in this game= fully aggressive, easy way to tell if they will scam or shoot ya. and if they ask alot, if they ask alot, can be a scam. If passive agressive and asking alot=definetly will be shot. |
Aphroditie Fortune
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 20:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
Scamming is for some people a career. I have done alot of scamming (on alts), there are many scams which people should know about, but here are afew scams people aren't aware of...:
The ship builders scam... Any chance to get a ship made for cheaper is always welcome, so people asking for ship builders allows scammers to take advantage by asking for a deposit to pay for the building costs of a ship, usually 50% deposit or 25% deposit, to avoid this, use a third party trade person such as chribba.
The corperate recruitment "i'll move your stuff" scam... The typical "we have a freighter/carrier, we could move your assets safely" scam, taking in new recruits and taking there stuff... similar to the goonswarm "we require 200 mill isk to make sure ur not a spy" scam, easy to avoid.
The lottery scam... People say "lottery isn't a scam" but trust me, most are.... they say they have 1 big prize, but in reality one of there many alts is usually the one to win the prize, so all the money from people buying "tickets" goes straight into the scammers wallet, and the prize usually doesn't even exist.
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Aswell as scams there are other things which can cause problems, ninja salvagers (don't attack them, they usually have backup), the 1 vs 1 fighters with neutral reps, the anti miners who join mining corps then kill the mining fleets, and more.... many i admit i have done, but then again the idiots who fall for it most likely won't read this =)
Fly safe new eden. |
flank steak
Ancient Malevolence Rage Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.29 03:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Don't let strangers T2 rig your ships |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
23
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:27:00 -
[58] - Quote
I've been playing EVE for almost 4 years now on 2 accounts, I've never been scammed. Until last Saturday.
1: Greed is *not* good. 2: If it looks too good to be true it usually is. 3: If no-one else reacts upon this "offer you cannot resist", scratch your own skull why you should.
In short, I just bought 1 GTC, converted it to 2 PLEX then saw an "offer" in local for a contract: buy 1 PLEX, only 320Mil, need skill books and I was like, 'hey, I can make 60 mil profit on this'.
The contract stated: - YOU WILL PAY: 320.000.000 ISK (320 Million) - YOU WILL GET: 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX) x 1
I lost: 320 mil.
Somewhere in the fine print it also included me to pay with a PLEX and I didn't see it. After 3 times going over the contract. |
malaire
70
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:35:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:In short, I just bought 1 GTC, converted it to 2 PLEX then saw an "offer" in local for a contract: buy 1 PLEX, only 320Mil, need skill books and I was like, 'hey, I can make 60 mil profit on this'. The contract stated: - YOU WILL PAY: 320.000.000 ISK (320 Million) - YOU WILL GET: 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX) x 1 I lost: 320 mil. Somewhere in the fine print it also included me to pay with a PLEX and I didn't see it. After 3 times going over the contract. Image of such a scam: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1109/2011.09.23.20.25.00.png (from post #3 in this thread) There is red "You will pay ... 1 PLEX" below that green "You will get 1 PLEX". Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Moyra Jurescki
BACKFIRE Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 09:39:00 -
[60] - Quote
I play this game for quite some time. I have been able to avoid all kind of scams but one. The Quafe Zero scam. OFC I bought about 10 pieces of Quafe Ultra instead of Quafe Zero. I still have those in a can named "Quafe forever" so I can remember to pay a closer look to the contract next time. :)
Cheers! |
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
1
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Posted - 2011.09.29 11:37:00 -
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Bless's Minion wrote:Prevention: Don't try to buy the items in scavenger hunt contracts. In fact, just don't click on any contracts in Jita local. It is 95% scams and 5% stuff you don't need.
I'd like to re-phrase that, if I may: "Don't click on any contracts in local."
If people post a contract in local, it is a scam, no doubt.
I once saw an auction-contract scam. It seemed legit enough and all. "Cheap Hulk with equipment and rigs, starting price 170mil". To anyone, that might seem cheap. When I clicked it, though, I noticed that the "Hulk" in question was actually just a Covetor, which is only worth 17mil at most. And to make it worse, that auction had about 5 other bids, with the price raised to about 200mil. People obviously didn't check what they bought.
Another contract scam I've seen was for a "Worm", although the ship in the contract was actually just a regular, cheap-ass Merlin.
And a last one I can remember: 100,000 Units of Republic Fleet EMP L, 50 ISK each, total price: 50,000,000 ISK. With just a basic grasp of calculus, it shouldn't be hard to see that this is an obvious scam. Even more so, considering that is was only 10,000 Units of EMP L that was actually being sold.
Here's a hint for all you scammers: Try harder. |
Amun Doshu
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:05:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Lisa Eldridge wrote:Scams are scams and anyone with common sense will see that. I've never been victim to a scam in EVE, nor any game and neither should anyone else fall victim to them. Honestly, I find it ridiculous that developers of a game promote this kind of behavior and it makes my job as a recruiter and director that much harder. Your goal was to get people to trust each other and make friendships correct? Well you keep shooting yourselves in the foot every time you talk about how great it is to ruin friendships and promote paranoia and closed groups. You sound awfully mad. Why you so mad?
may u mad? may she touched a sensitive point of ur? she is absolute right. also i see in rl, just read some terms and contitions, its daily to scam ppl (also travelling markets, mlm and so on, there is a lot legal rl scam) i just try to leave that world to be with friends and build new friendships, but u cant trust any u dont know a long time ago. u will be scammed, killed not in battle (i was twice cos of spies, once in a 2 bill rattle). u may enjoy ur party with that few ppl, but can u really trust them or just use them as count in battle??? (before u think i dont cry for that 2 bill, i have 13+) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2011.09.30 11:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lo Res wrote:i once gave my credit card information to some game developers from Iceland.
I laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that.
In fact, some players might say that's the biggest scam of all.
Just kidding.
Anyway, all kidding aside there's a couple of other scams that should be mentioned.
If anyone says they need your full API account number to verify something, don't give it. it's a scam which could end up with your account being hacked resulting in the loss of everything.
When buying multiple items on a contract (example) like a full set of +5 Attribute Implants, always show info on each item listed even if the contract description (written by player) states 'Full set of +5 Implants' . The scam part of this is the contract will have a good price for quick sale but only 1 or 2 of the implants will actually be +5 while the rest of the implants will be +2's.
If someone in your NPC Corp chat channel says they need a loan of x amount of ISK to buy skillbooks, a Frigate, to complete a deal, etc and will repay it very soon with interest, good chance it's a scam. However, if you have plenty of ISK and can afford it, the player just might be telling the truth.
Case in point: A few years ago a Russian speaking player in NPC corp chat asked in very broken English for 100,000 isk to complete a trade deal and would give isk reward for help. Immediately a lot of players responded with remarks like 'Go away thief' or 'Stop begging' or 'Scam' , etc. I had at the time a little over 10 million isk in my wallet and remembered when someone had helped me with a 1 million isk donation. So I decided to give the Russian 1 million isk which I mentioned in corp chat. That caused everyone else in chat channel to tell me 'Don't do it' and 'It's a scam', etc.
Next thing I know my wallet flashed and the Russian gave 900,000 of the 1 mill isk back to me. I then gave it back to him. He returned it back to me again. I then gave it back to him again. I told everyone in corp chat what was happening and they were telling me to stop or give it to them, etc.. The Russian then linked my name in the chat channel with some Russian words typed in very large bold capital letters. Someone said they couldn't read Russian but they could tell that he was mad.
About 10 minutes later my wallet flashed again, the Russian had now placed 10 million isk into it with a message - 'Reward'. I told the channel members what happened and then linked his name in chat with a salute o7. He then replied with a smile and salute :) o7. The rest of the channel members couldn't believe it. A lot of them said I was lucky. I was just trying to do some good will help. I didn't expect anything in return and ended up with about 20 mill in my wallet, doubling what I already had.
But my story doesn't stop there.
About a week after that, a new player in NPC corp chat channel said he had over 10 billion isk on his main character and was leaving Eve. Said he wanted to help out new players and would double the amount of isk anyone gave him. Since I had a bunch of isk (+20 mill), I did a personal convo with him and after he assured me he would double it, gave him 15 mill isk. After he got my isk, he closed the personal chat and continued posting his 'Double your ISK - Leaving EVE' message in NPC corp chat. I tried to do personal chat again but he wouldn't accept. I then realized I had been scammed for 15 million isk.
I told everyone about it in NPC corp chat. One of the other channel members told me thanks for the info cuz he was just about to give the guy 10 mill isk. A couple members said I just learned a very good lesson about Eve - Never trust anyone - and - If it sounds too good to be true, then it is - Other members started linking the guys name with 'Thief' and 'Scammer' next to it. This caused the guy to log out from the game. Man was I bummed out. After talking to a couple of corp members in private convo, I learned some info about tracking players. I added the scammer to my contact list with -10 standing and placed him on watch list. I also learned about Locator Agents. A couple of hours later the scammer logged back into the game.
I used a Locator Agent to find out where he was and set destination. I arrived in system to see he was running the same 'Leaving Eve' scam in local chat. I immediately started telling local chat that it was a scam and the guy was a thief. I spammed local chat - linked his name with 'Scammer' - He left the system and I warped around jumping into all connected systems till I saw him in local chat again where I continued doing the same thing, linking his name with 'Scammer' next to it. Again he left system and again I jumped around til I found him and started spamming my message in local chat again. He then logged out of the game again.
There was no way I was going to let this slide. I was pretty much online about 20 hours a day, tracking the scammer and spamming local chat with my message. Anytime the scammer came online, I was in system ready and waiting to do my thing - link his name with 'Scammer' next to it in local chat. If he traveled to another system, I would follow. This went on for a few days. I was bound and determined to ruin any chance of him scamming other players. Eventually the guy placed 15 mill isk back into my wallet with a mail message saying 'Leave me alone'.
I saw him log in and out of the game for a few more days after that. I think after his trial period was done, the character was bio-massed. I never did get 'Double' the isk amount. That was the first time I was ever scammed in Eve and hopefully it's the last time as well.
If you see other players in local chat saying they got double isk from so and so, they are either alts or friends of the scammer, all of them trying to get your hard earned isk.
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malaire
76
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Posted - 2011.09.30 14:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:If anyone says they need your full API account number to verify something, don't give it. it's a scam which could end up with your account being hacked resulting in the loss of everything. This is not true. The numeric "User ID" used with old API keys can't be used to hack the account and it is safe to give it away.
I believe there is no use for just that "User ID" alone. It is used with old limited and full API keys, but alone that "User ID" is useless and can't be used for anything. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Yuuki Musashi
Madoff Securities
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:33:00 -
[65] - Quote
I feel compelled to speak up for proper, decent scammers. Not all of us are spamming Jita local with mis-labelled contracts. A noble handful of us are hardworking grifters running sophisticated confidence games, hustling ISK day in and day out to finance the endless war against Goons and Russian botters to keep Delve and Period Basis safe for decent people.
Rest assured, gentle victim, the billion ISK you just paid me for something that was worth a tenth of that is going to a good cause. (After I buy another PLEX and faction-fit my new Archon, of course)
P.S. Block this toon if it makes you feel better, but it won't do you any good. Getting your ISK is the easy part, counting it all...that's hard. |
Hamster Too
No Name Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.02 13:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
Anshio Tamark wrote:I once saw an auction-contract scam. It seemed legit enough and all. "Cheap Hulk with equipment and rigs, starting price 170mil". To anyone, that might seem cheap. When I clicked it, though, I noticed that the "Hulk" in question was actually just a Covetor, which is only worth 17mil at most. And to make it worse, that auction had about 5 other bids, with the price raised to about 200mil. People obviously didn't check what they bought.
Those multiple bids were most likely placed by the scammer's alts in effort to make the auction look legitimate.
Starting with a low initial price, inflating it with a few bids (double digit number of bids can be seen quite often in Jita) makes the auction look "real" to unwary and appears to be the latest fad in scamming. |
Iorakian Delthar
Jacques of All Trades
1
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Posted - 2011.10.03 05:19:00 -
[67] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:I've been playing EVE for almost 4 years now on 2 accounts, I've never been scammed. Until last Saturday. 1: Greed is *not* good. 2: If it looks too good to be true it usually is. 3: If no-one else reacts upon this "offer you cannot resist", scratch your own skull why you should. In short, I just bought 1 GTC, converted it to 2 PLEX then saw an "offer" in local for a contract: buy 1 PLEX, only 320Mil, need skill books and I was like, 'hey, I can make 60 mil profit on this'. The contract stated: - YOU WILL PAY: 320.000.000 ISK (320 Million) - YOU WILL GET: 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX) x 1 I lost: 320 mil. Somewhere in the fine print it also included me to pay with a PLEX and I didn't see it. After 3 times going over the contract.
I had a look at that one too a few times trying to work out where the scam was, until I read it in this forum a while ago (about the 3rd or 4th post in). |
Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.10 12:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
malaire wrote:Most scams are allowed in EVE but few are not: ILLEGAL scamming Character Bazaar-channel is used for selling characters for ISK. Scams relating to this are not allowed. Buddy invites and rewards from other players-topic has buddy-invite offers from paying players. Scams relating to this are not allowed. To protect new players, canbaiting/canflipping is not allowed in 24 Rookie Systems. (Article only mentions canflipping but I understand that canbaiting is also not allowed.) Buying or selling ISK/items/characters for real money is not allowed. (However you can buy PLEX with real money from official site and sell it for ISK in-game.) Botting or client modification is not allowed. So while you can post your contract-scam to local-chat manually every 5 minutes, you are not allowed to use a bot to automatically paste that text to local-chat every 5 minutes. Scamming is not allowed in some chat channels. I know that "Help" and "Rookie-Help" chat channels don't allow scamming. Excessive spamming in local-chat is not allowed. I don't know exact rules for this, but if I remember correctly one scammer told me that you can repost once every minute or after 5 other posts (whichever happens first). But I have not confirmed this.
Botting is not allowed but there is nothing in there about using Macro's, programs that manually move the mouse around simulating a humans hand movement, if CCP actually cared, they would have long banned it all. |
malaire
83
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Posted - 2011.10.10 13:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
Kara Books wrote:Botting is not allowed but there is nothing in there about using Macro's, programs that manually move the mouse around simulating a humans hand movement, if CCP actually cared, they would have long banned it all. I believe that such macros are not allowed either. Actually they are just simple bots. Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P C C P Alliance
181
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:34:00 -
[70] - Quote
malaire wrote:Kara Books wrote:Botting is not allowed but there is nothing in there about using Macro's, programs that manually move the mouse around simulating a humans hand movement, if CCP actually cared, they would have long banned it all. I believe that such macros are not allowed either. Actually they are just simple bots.
That is correct. According to the EULA,
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."
So if you manually scam someone of their ISKs you won't be violating that rule! Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
74
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:45:00 -
[71] - Quote
Where does the EULA stand on scamming for out-of-game (but related) services?
If I tell someone I am going to host a killboard for them, and the agreed payment is a PLEX, what would be the repercussions on myself for not delivering on it?
I saw someone offering exactly this service, and scamming for it, and it struck me as being a bit "off" - not least because there are no in-game mechanisms for detecting or acting on the scam. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Charlie Tan
Charlie Tan's Intergalactic Trading Service
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
Id just like to thank the guy that paid me 2.1 billion for some broken integrity response nodes yesterday. All your hard work and effort gathering that together has paid for my new slave set, so it wont go to waste :) |
Ms sellsalot
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
I have one thing to say about all this....Thank you Jita....thank you very much |
Caldari Citizen5547851
ZOMB MY CORP
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:25:00 -
[74] - Quote
My thanx are going to 9 pilots whom ive scammed this week.I really thank u for these 15bils.I didnt have enough money to fit my 3d titan but now Im satisfied. Im really cant help scamming.Its like a drug and i really fill frustrated when my buy orders are kicked. p.s see ya in Jita.Happy scamming |
malaire
83
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:53:00 -
[75] - Quote
Caldari Citizen5547851 wrote: i really fill frustrated when my buy orders are kicked. Thank you for telling that. I really like collecting rare items and using them to remove fake buy orders from market. After this I'm going to like it even more.
Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Caldari Citizen5547851
ZOMB MY CORP
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:03:00 -
[76] - Quote
malaire wrote:Caldari Citizen5547851 wrote: i really fill frustrated when my buy orders are kicked. Thank you for telling that. I really like collecting rare items and using them to remove fake buy orders from market. After this I'm going to like it even more.
Ah yr the pilot we counterf*cked for a bil. Your are free to cry and complain here |
Yuuki Musashi
Madoff Securities
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:40:00 -
[77] - Quote
Caldari Citizen5547851 wrote: I really cant help scamming.Its like a drug
*fistbump*
I hear that. It's like ******, 1-2 hits and you're hooked for life. I prefer to think of it as 'Market PVP.'
Never. Stop. Scamming.
interesting edit, CCP....how about 'white horse'? |
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GM Lelouch
Game Masters C C P Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:20:00 -
[78] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Where does the EULA stand on scamming for out-of-game (but related) services?
If I tell someone I am going to host a killboard for them, and the agreed payment is a PLEX, what would be the repercussions on myself for not delivering on it?
I saw someone offering exactly this service, and scamming for it, and it struck me as being a bit "off" - not least because there are no in-game mechanisms for detecting or acting on the scam.
Tl;dr: We don't like scams of this sort, don't do it!
Players who find themselves scammed in this manner should petition immediately to have the matter looked into, reporting the incident weeks or months after the fact will likely not amount to much as we naturally cannot reliably determine whether the service was provided in the past.
No, you'll not get away with the scam by stalling the buyer for some time with promises that the service will be ready in a few days. The payment should not be rendered by the buyer until the seller is ready to start providing the advertised service. As a legitimate seller, do not accept payment for the service unless youGÇ˙re ready to start providing it within a few hours.
The scammer should at the very least expect to have the proceeds of the scam removed. A warning or even temporary/permanent account suspensions could apply based on the situation at hand/the scammer's track record. There are plenty of ways to scam in EVE without breaking the game rules, sticking to those methods will ward off any potential trouble.
Finally, for maximum accountability, transactions involving out-of-game services such as killboard/voice chat server hosting should be negotiated through the sell orders section of these forums. It goes without saying that this should not be taken as a free pass to conduct scams of this sort outside of these forums. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
101
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:43:00 -
[79] - Quote
GM Lelouch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Where does the EULA stand on scamming for out-of-game (but related) services?
If I tell someone I am going to host a killboard for them, and the agreed payment is a PLEX, what would be the repercussions on myself for not delivering on it?
I saw someone offering exactly this service, and scamming for it, and it struck me as being a bit "off" - not least because there are no in-game mechanisms for detecting or acting on the scam. Tl;dr: We don't like scams of this sort, don't do it! Players who find themselves scammed in this manner should petition immediately to have the matter looked into, reporting the incident weeks or months after the fact will likely not amount to much as we naturally cannot reliably determine whether the service was provided in the past. No, you'll not get away with the scam by stalling the buyer for some time with promises that the service will be ready in a few days. The payment should not be rendered by the buyer until the seller is ready to start providing the advertised service. As a legitimate seller, do not accept payment for the service unless youGÇ˙re ready to start providing it within a few hours. The scammer should at the very least expect to have the proceeds of the scam removed. A warning or even temporary/permanent account suspensions could apply based on the situation at hand/the scammer's track record. There are plenty of ways to scam in EVE without breaking the game rules, sticking to those methods will ward off any potential trouble. Finally, for maximum accountability, transactions involving out-of-game services such as killboard/voice chat server hosting should be negotiated through the sell orders section of these forums. It goes without saying that this should not be taken as a free pass to conduct scams of this sort outside of these forums.
As a side note - it should be noted that out-of-game scams are, by their very nature, out-of-game. That makes it a real world scam. In the real world, the re-spawn timer is a bit** and there are some very real world consequences for conducting them. All GëíGęçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGęçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Maaliki Khashour
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:26:00 -
[80] - Quote
Marc W2048 wrote:I am more than aware that society in general does not condone scamming and that it is illegal. However we allow idiots to dump coffee on thier laps and sue people for thier own stupidity.
1. Spilling a drink has nothing to do with intelligence. Perhaps you have never spilled a drink, hot or cold, in your life, but it happens to people for a wide number of reasons that have little to do with intelligence. Now, if Liebeck had made the choice to drive a car while holding a hot cup of coffee, that would have been stupidity, but she was the passenger in a parked car when she spilled it. This matters because the trial that followed determined she was 20% responsible for being burned.
That means that McDonald's was found 80% responsible. Why? Because of the choices people within the corporation made.
2. McDonald's policy was to serve the coffee at 180-190 degrees F. Not only is this hotter than other major coffee providers (Starbucks and Dunkin's) but prior to the incident with Liebeck, McDonald's had over 700 complaints about people being scalded by their coffee and had already paid over $500,000 in damages.
McDonald's made the choice to serve a product it knew could cause injuries because the price of paying people off was easier than changing its existing policy. This is a choice many companies make. Recalls, re-training, and replacing equipment cost money. For a company as large as McDonald's, it can literally cost them millions.
3. Liebeck suffered third-degree burns, permanent scarring, and required skin grafts. The representative for McDonald's admitted that he knew this was a possible consequence of its coffee spilling on someone but also that the average consumer would not be aware of this.
Negligence often involves the idea of the reasonable person. A reasonable person expects to suffer some burns when a cup of coffee hits their lap, but not for their genitals to fuse to their inner thigh.
4. Liebeck initially asked for $20,000 and was refused. Recall that McDonald's previously just paid off medical costs but this particular franchise owner decided that he or she would only pay $800. Again, that's a choice. McDonald's could have avoided a trial altogether with one $20,000 check.
5. McDonald's legal strategy was to admit to all wrong doing and then say they had more important things to worry about. Seriously. If you want to talk about stupidity, look at the lawyers for the defense and their witnesses. |
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Jark Vohaul
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:50:00 -
[81] - Quote
What great tips! Definitely bookmarking this thread. |
Cerisia
Lone Star enterprises
274
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
Jark Vohaul wrote:What great tips! Definitely bookmarking this thread.
In my humble opinion this thread could do with being made a sticky!! Free Lyris Nairn, goodposter extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar. |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
I made a video of me sitting in Jita and explaining all the contract scams which were linked in local chat, might be helpful to new pilots (or older pilots for that matter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wB2ubIIDUs |
Ripard Teg
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
8
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:29:00 -
[84] - Quote
The "Exploit the Contract UI" scam
You decide you want some Caldari Navy Ballistic Control Systems and have never used the Contracts system before, but head there because that's how you get them.
You get into the Contracts system, sort prices at the top of the column, and get this:
http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2011/contract-scam.png
Only, you fail to notice the thing circled in red, and instead concentrate on the thing circled in blue. You buy three Caldari Navy Ballistic Control Systems for 119 million ISK each, never realizing that the actual lowest price is far below this. The current contract UI sorts by Date Created, not Lowest Price, by default.
The "Convert AUR to ISK" scam
You get an EVE mail claiming that CCP has instituted a means of converting AUR to ISK, at some large amount of ISK per AUR. All you have to do is right click on a very official-sounding character name, select "Give Money", and copy/paste a very complex-looking line of code into the "Amount" field, then press Enter twice.
EVE can't understand what you mean by that very complex-looking line of code and converts it to your total amount of ISK, whatever that is, when you hit Enter the first time. When you hit Enter the second time, the ISK is gone. Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 23:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
I show you: http://bit.ly/tWBkuR New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á . Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.10 23:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
Pro-tip # 742...
Don't play drunk.
Or at the very least, don't buy anything expensive when drunk.
Sigh, who am I kidding; when you drink, expect a surprise when you sober up.
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
150
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Posted - 2011.11.11 00:20:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Zymurgist wrote:Some of us have learned the hard way what kind of scams are out there but hopefully we can help each other out by talking about them. So what are the most popular scams in EVE and how do you protect yourself from them, or maybe even, how did you fall for it? Keep in mind that not all forms of scamming are allowed, does everyone know what kind of scams are illegal?
I'm going to actually answer your question here.
Scams that are not allowed include:
Character transfer scams (get someone to pay for a character you are selling them, then keep the money and don't give them the character) Impersonating CCP employees/volunteers Recruitment scams now apparently >:| Scams involving passwords or access to another player's account(s) Scams involving real-world assets and money (this is usually illegal IRL) Buying and selling things that exist on the test server (sort of a scam) That's everything that I can think of off the top of my head. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:58:00 -
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Until you KNOW how to scam, don't touch contracts! If CCP has a developer in charge of Factional Warfare, please come forward and show yourself.
CCP admiting you don't have a plan for FW would be better then keeping up believing in the FW fairy. |
Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:23:00 -
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I'll post what I've done a couple of times over the last week or two:
The station trading scam. Probably been mentioned here a time or two, but I ask in local if anyone wants to buy *item*. I get someone who convo's me and then we settle on a price. This is when I tell them that they can save about 5-10% if we use station trading to "avoid taxes". I ham this up a bit, etc.
Essentially, I open a trade window and put the item, let's say a PLEX, into the window, but I don't click accept. I tell them that clicking "accept" locks the trade in so it cannot be changed.
Then, I get them to give me the ISK as a "player donation", because I don't want to "pay corp tax on ISK through the trade window", lol.
Finally, I cancel the trade, tell them the item should be in their hangar soon, and close the window. It makes for easy ISK, and you get to interact with the person you're scamming. It makes it more fun than margin trading or that kind of scam, in my opinion.
In short: NEVER "give isk" to a character, unless it's one of your alts. Ever. And don't station trade unless you know the person you're trading with in real life. Simple as that. |
Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:56:00 -
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Http://eve.rehcamretsnef.com - my little anti-scam list. Most are covered already in this thread, and I still want to do more to it. Took plenty of screenshot examples, and newer versions have cropped up here and there but of course im too lazy to post em yet. I'll incorporate everything from this thread into my page eventually. Someday hopefully it can be a nice one stop shop. |
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Causalitii Eullon
C.A.S. Assisted Living
5
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:04:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around.
Ancient Spartan kids were taught to steal for dinner. If they didnt steal they wouldn't get to eat, if they got caught they were severely punished |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:26:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:hmskrecik wrote:Marc W2048 wrote:Just like in the real world if you don't pay attention, it's your loss. File a petition in Eve for your own lack of attention and get a nice reply from a Dev saying sorry. What they should say is, " You were an idiot, not our problem."
Well... Unlike in EVE, if you scam in real world you are hunted down and if you're lucky enough that police find you before lynching mob does you are sent to the federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Show me actual society or non-cult religion which endorses scamming everyone around. I show you: http://bit.ly/tWBkuR
Good point, I give it to you. However please keep in mind that the name "419 scam" comes from the number of THEIR criminal code describing this activity.
Causalitii Eullon wrote: Ancient Spartan kids were taught to steal for dinner. If they didnt steal they wouldn't get to eat, if they got caught they were severely punished
Could be. But I think it's safe to say that there are too many differences between ancient and contemporary societies to take strict guidance from those former.
Anyway, EVE rules permit scams and I don't contest it. I just opposed implied justification that scams are allowed IRL too. |
Myddine Ka
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:58:00 -
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Very helpful thread, thanks everyone :) |
SIWETH
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:16:00 -
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never buy anything in the trade window if you can help it, if you do make sure the item is repackaged and check the item info to make sure it's what you think you are buying. if the seller "mistakenly" (bait and switch) closes the trade window and reopens it again make sure the item is repackaged and check the info to make sure you know what your buying. |
positie11
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:00:00 -
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From my point of view there is no such thing as a margin trading scam.
You really need to be greedy to fall for a "scam" like that.
There are 2 reasons behond greed that would make a margin "scam" work.
- too high drug consumption. - too much alchohol consumption.
Oh and never press the advanced button in the trade window unless you are advanced.
Ccp should block the advanced trade button for at least 60 days for new players. |
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