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Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.07 19:44:00 - [1] DARK ANGEL CHAPTER has opened for Buisness. We are currently offering service in High Sec, Low Sec, and in some cases null sec. Services provided: War Dec service- we will declare war and kill as many of your opponents as possible. We will actively hunt down war targets every minute of the day. Asset Denial- we will camp your opponent in Stations, on gates, and basically insure they cannot conduct business as usual. we will disrupt their day to day operations. Escort- We can provide Scouts, Protection, and Logistics Support while you move your fleet in relative safety. Killboards We understand the concerns you may have in not only hiring a Mercenary corporation, but also in hiring one as new as we are. Please stop by "DAC Public" in game and speak with us. You will be treated in a professional manner from start to finish. Also, you may contact Celebrinbaur, Nitees, Tolowim Capeen, or Sin Golem in game.
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.09 03:36:00 - [2] Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 09/08/2010 03:38:52 The Killboards may be having Database issues server side. Pleasebe patient as we are working on finding the problem and reapiring it as quickly as possible.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.09 06:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Celebrinbaur Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 09/08/2010 03:38:52 The Killboards may be having Database issues server side. Pleasebe patient as we are working on finding the problem and reapiring it as quickly as possible. Oh good.. I was thinking your low kill count was due to you being bad at this game. Now I know its just a DB error and im looking forward to seeing your real stats once its fixed. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.09 07:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 09/08/2010 07:57:33 We do have a low Kill count. We are just starting our second Contract tomorrow, After being formed a few short days ago. I'm sure it will go well and more kills should arrive promptly. Unfortunately our first contract was merely an asset denial and POS take-down. Not many kills but we did manage to take down their POS, deny them free movement and counter attacked the Merc Alliance they Hired. While negotiating successfully an end to hostilities. All things considered I am proud of the way my guys are handling themselves. and Thanks for the Bump, Lana.
Sin Golem Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:28:00 - [5]
Fatty McChubchub	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:40:00 - [6] Getting caught up on the forums and I see this. Good luck in the future. Looks like you need it. 36.24% over all isk eff. Tisk tisk. Ok ok not all contracts can be judged by kill stats alone. But in looking at your opponents kb I see you're also missing a Drake and Raven loss on your kb. If nothing else mercs should be honest and post all losses. Like I said,good luck. You're gonna need it. O/
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:13:00 - [7] Yay more merc threads. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Adida
Tortugan Internal Anarchy WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:28:00 - [8] Say... Aren't you that fellow who got kicked from Noir., and then proceeded to lose a thanatos to pirates just hours later? :D
Faekurias Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.08.12 20:12:00 - [9] Off to a great start from the looks of things not
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:55:00 - [10] The problem with taking contracts against former Underworld Excavator pilots is.... they're former UE pilots. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Berneh LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:15:00 - [11] your killboard stats made me laugh my **** off
Astald Ohtar Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:00:00 - [12] 8kill 8 loss 0.07bill killed 1.7bill lost hope your contractor is not paying for your losses
Misanth Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Faekurias Off to a great start from the looks of things not Just like our relationship! not - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Faekurias Off to a great start from the looks of things not Just like our relationship! not pshaw! and monkeys might fly outta my butt! ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Misanth Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.	Posted - 2010.08.13 22:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Faekurias Off to a great start from the looks of things not Just like our relationship! not pshaw! and monkeys might fly outta my butt! They might not - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Lexa HeIIfury	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:10:00 - [16] You guys sure kill frigates good. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.15 18:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Tortugan Say... Aren't you that fellow who got kicked from Noir., and then proceeded to lose a thanatos to pirates just hours later? yes I am.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.16 03:35:00 - [18] I say go back to the broken killboard.. This new fixed one isnt doing you any favors.. Last 7 days has 2 T3 losses, a tone of drakes and a tone of canes, for well, not much.. Even including last Saturday where you managed to kill 6 BSs I still doubt you have broken even this week.. I would be delighted if someone were to employ your merc services against me, at least you don't seem to run from fights.. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.16 10:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Lana Torrin I say go back to the broken killboard.. This new fixed one isnt doing you any favors.. Last 7 days has 2 T3 losses, a tone of drakes and a tone of canes, for well, not much.. Even including last Saturday where you managed to kill 6 BSs I still doubt you have broken even this week.. I would be delighted if someone were to employ your merc services against me, at least you don't seem to run from fights.. Apparently being outmatched and outmanned means running and hiding. One of the many things we need to learn. And, no we didn't come close to breaking even this week, but we had a pretty good time.
Salient Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2010.08.16 16:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Celebrinbaur We just don't have enough sense to know when to quit and give up, and TBH we probably never will. And, no we didn't come close to breaking even this week, but we had a pretty good time. This I appreciate. Nothing worse than a merc corp that decs you, talks smack, and then hides after losing a few ships. ut tensio sic vis
Misanth Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.	Posted - 2010.08.16 17:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Salient Originally by: Celebrinbaur We just don't have enough sense to know when to quit and give up, and TBH we probably never will. And, no we didn't come close to breaking even this week, but we had a pretty good time. This I appreciate. Nothing worse than a merc corp that decs you, talks smack, and then hides after losing a few ships. Weird. If I hire a merc corp, I'd want them to grief my targets. Assuming they're throwing away their ships to the hostiles, then they might actually be boosting their morale (and killboard), which is counter-productive. But I dunno, maybe it depends on what work I want to be done (and how much I pay for it!). However, when it comes to 'pure' PvP, outside of merc contract, then I'd agree with both of you. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Gregor Vernof Voodoo Tactical	Posted - 2010.08.17 03:16:00 - [22] As one of the targets in Dark Angels Chapter's last contract I feel compelled to post and rate them. I realize that the full measure of a Merc's success is calculated by the happiness of their client through the completion of the terms of the contract, but as a ex-Merc myself what professional pride I have left demands that I make future buyers beware. .DAC. Dec'd us on behalf of a member of The League of Fighting Gentlemen. They were apparently also hired to Dec Universal Ventures, however our mutual War Dec's on the League were coincidental and we'd never had contact with UVENT before the Mercs got involved. Once the Dec was placed we quickly did our intel on our new targets. We soon had a list on names that encompassed about 90% of their membership which at the time numbered 44. It quickly became apparent to us that a large portion of the membership had factional reps that would preclude them from entering Gallente or Minatar space, and a few that security status that would not allow them to pursue us into the higher security systems. This was only the beginning of their difficulties since we found out from their own membership that not only was there only about 11 active members at the time of the contract, only around 6 seemed to be active during our play times. The majority of the active players that could actually come and hunt us due to factional rep where their very youngest pilots. Their membership was quite eager to chat with us and it was through two of them that we found out which member of the League had issued the contract, what the contract entailed, and approximately how much the contract was valued. The contract was specifically to keep us engaged and too busy to hunt the League. We had already figured out the level of their expertise through the loss of a Proteus and a Hurricane at a station camp they initiated while an Armageddon abandoned their teammates before the Proteus was even at 50% armor(yup we let it get away unfortunately, one of our newer members forgot to point it... well we are training them, consider lesson learned.... LOL). So with new intel in-hand (although honestly we already knew most of this from the Client's C&P post), we ran some 40 jumps through the territory where .DAC. supposedly would be most active due to factional rep restrictions and popped and podded their client just a mere 2 hours before he was apparently going to abandon his former Corp due to the ineffectiveness of his Merc's to control us (this fact and confirmation that the Client had just lost well over 500 mil isk in implants came later from a convo with the former Client.) The ineffectiveness and inexperience of .DAC. became even more apparent with their loss of a second T3 hull after the pilot warpped to a gate 16 KM off of it and engaged the UVENT Rifter we pushed the gate after our scouts saw this. After this loss the .DAC. pilots went out of their way to actually avoid VTAK and concentrate on UVENT who they had had better success engaging. Although this was abundantly clear to us, we had this fact also confirmed to us through convos with .DAC.'s membership. By the end of the Dec, they retracted it a day early after we'd started actively hunting them because the League had apparently fallen apart at this time. Our tally was 13 .DAC. ships destroyed for a total of approximately 2.4 Bill isk in damages to 0 ships lost (full details as to their or their Client's losses can be found at our killboard, they are all API linked and we can be found by doing a google search for Voodoo Tactical Killboard). Several glaring issues present themselves when considering this organization to fulfill a contract: 1. Apparent lack of active pilots 2. Apparent inability of their membership to pursue targets in all 4 Empires and in all levels of System Security. 3. Serious lack of seasoned Leadership FC'ing their fleets. 4. Serious lack of experience in fitting PvP ships 5. General inability to effectively use scouts and locators. 6. Inability of their Membership to keep confidential information to themselves. 7. Non accurate Killboard. As of this writing there were still missing losses (just because a member Corp is no longer in the Alliance AFTER hostilities cease is no excuse not to post all their losses during the time of their membership). This would indicated a non-API linked KB, a hallmark of Merc transparency and honesty. Generally I would grade this organization an "F" on ability, but a C on fighting spirit. A definite "don't buy" here regardless of what discounted prices they may come up with.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.17 03:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Celebrinbaur but we had a pretty good time. Not words to get paid by, but words to stop me trolling you. Good luck guys. I hope you get lots of good fights and generally enjoy yourselves while (hopefully) killing people. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.17 07:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Researcher 4148 on 17/08/2010 07:40:32 This alliance is not going to stand the test of time. From what I read here, if the facts are accurate, they simply don't have things working right. Bad Faction Standing ( You can't merc if you can't go where the target is) Bad Sec Status ( Read Above ) Running from the fight before everyone is dead Giving up too many juicy kills ( Just makes the enemy have a party) I give it three weeks. In 3 weeks, more than half the pilots will realize this isn't working, quit, and they'll be a shell of people trying to go through the motions. Then a few more will just quit eve... and a couple guys will go afk ghosting in the corp. Just another merc fail. edit for failure on bullet points
Lexa HeIIfury	Posted - 2010.08.17 07:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Celebrinbaur we had a pretty good time. Oh, well here you go, have some of my isk. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.17 19:25:00 - [26] Agreed. I don't hire mercenaries so that they have a good time. Usually if they are competent and you hand them a good war, they end up having a good time. However, if they just end up flailing around and coughing up massive kills, what they end up doing is giving the enemy a party, and making the client look like a laughing stock. If you want to be a mercenary alliance, you should take a look at the main merc alliances. Noir Snatch Victory Pitboss's new Privateers, Orphanage. TBH, I'm not so sure about Noir any more since they don't smell like mercs any more but they can stay on the list for the time being. Hydra perhaps as well, although I am less familiar with them and merc'ing is also not one of their primary foci. There are a couple good corps as well, but I am unfamiliar with them. However, if you want to be a mercenary ALLIANCE, those are the groups you must compare yourself to. They don't have pilots with sec status that keeps them from high sec. They don't have pilots whose faction standing keeps them from chasing into hostile empires. and they don't have 0.350 kill death ratios. Like I said, another flash in the pan mercenary alliance. It's a shame really.
Sheba Gartenna	Posted - 2010.08.18 00:25:00 - [27] So Researcher 4148 who's alt are you? From reading all your post I bet your a Snatch Victory alt. Hey at least the other merc alliance's and corporationsÆ use some of there main characters to beat there chest on here. To bad you donÆt. Oh but wait Snatch victory never do use mains to post here. well a few do but they are usually just the younger members or just plain stupid. I love all the advice an expertise you give here but yet never with your main character. To bad you are so ashamed of yourself. You must be a Snatch victory alt after all you have to love the awesome performance they showed in the last alliance tournament.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.18 00:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Sheba Gartenna So Researcher 4148 who's alt are you? From reading all your post I bet your a Snatch Victory alt. Hey at least the other merc alliance's and corporationsÆ use some of there main characters to beat there chest on here. To bad you donÆt. Oh but wait Snatch victory never do use mains to post here. well a few do but they are usually just the younger members or just plain stupid. I love all the advice an expertise you give here but yet never with your main character. To bad you are so ashamed of yourself. You must be a Snatch victory alt after all you have to love the awesome performance they showed in the last alliance tournament. show me on the doll where the bad merc touched you. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.18 05:44:00 - [29] Sheba, whose alt are YOU? To put it simply, I am the alt of no merc. It is true that I know people in all three of the merc groups I mentioned, but my only affiliation with any of them stems from having hired some, and idling often in the merc contract channel. This may not have occured to you, since your ability to use rational thought to discern accurate conclusions from incomplete data is limited, but a person who is around the mercenary business but not yet actually a mercenary, might sound like one, and a person who has formed opinions on who the competent mercs are, might also sound like them to a person who is obviously as you are. So simply put? You mad? Obviously so. I would hazard a guess and say that you have been on the receiving end of SV and Noir, and perhaps Orphanage as well, although less likely since they are newer. However, I could have distilled all of that into this simple concept. Anyone who posts with an alt to call another alt out for not identifying themself has two things going for them. They think they have some kind of vengeance they can wreak upon the guy, and they're mad. Don't be mad bro.
Sheba Gartenna	Posted - 2010.08.18 07:32:00 - [30] IÆm not at the least mad I just think your a pompous a$$. And while we are at it lets see have I ever told someone on this forum they fail before they even start no. And from what you say your not a merc alt and have only hired them and know a few of them so that makes you an expert ummm NO. You name the big 3 merc alliances as you call them. While you talk crap about 2 of them ôPitboss's new Privateers, Orphanage, TBH I'm not so sure about Noir any more since they don't smell like mercs any more but they can stay on the list for the time beingö and leave snatch victory alone. So that tells me your possibly a snatch victory alt. Which is ok with me as ive never had any dealings with snatch victory? Except watching them fail miserably during the alliance tournament. The other 2 organizations you name have the balls to at least post with their mains and yet you do not. Another thing who has ever said snatch victory should be classed as one of the big 3. I mean really who are they? What makes them part of the big 3 as you say? Oh thatÆs right your one of there alts. So if you want to make other mercs look bad at least come out and do it with your main. Or if youÆre not an alt and want to be such a merc expert why donÆt you become one. Then even I myself will read and maybe even take your advice. Oh and so that it doesn't seem like Im trying to hijack this thread. Best of luck to you DARK ANGEL CHAPTER!!! Who cares what this armchair quarterback has to say unless he can prove he knows what he is speaking about.
Lexa HeIIfury	Posted - 2010.08.18 07:42:00 - [31] sniping. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.18 07:44:00 - [32] Few points in rebuttal. Your post structure sucks. Use some enter key occasionally for everyone's sake. Regarding the Alliance Tournament. I looked at the final standings, conveniently located on this very same website. SV came out with more points than Noir. I also wasn't exactly insulting Pit Boss. Just stating the facts that those guys were pretty much the core of Privateers and they're reforming as Orphanage. Not an insult. As to putting SV in the big three. I've used them and they got results. I'm not the only one who considers them to be up in that level. Also their wars against both REPO and Orphanage demonstrate kills and efficiency that would indicate that. However, I am not nor ever have been one of their alts. A lot of eve can be learned from listening to people, reading into the killboards, and working with them in a business situation. Am I a merc personally? No. Have I worked with them and seen results? Yes. I feel that gives me enough experience to judge. I would also like to make a final point. You castigate me for not actually being a merc, yet making comments about them. Logically this means that you are arguing from a position of more experience, which means that you are exactly what you claim I am. An alt of a mercenary who is mad. I suspect a REPO alt.
Lexa HeIIfury	Posted - 2010.08.18 07:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Researcher 4148 Regarding the Alliance Tournament. I looked at the final standings, conveniently located on this very same website. SV came out with more points than Noir. Well that's not too terribly challenging. Have noir ever even killed a single ship in their alliance tourny history? -------------------------------------------------------------------
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.18 07:58:00 - [34] This is not knowledge I have actively researched. I just wanted to make a comment on one of the fundamantel points he made. You cannot point at A's result in a event and laugh at it, and then rank B higher than A if B performed even worse. Simply stupid.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.18 08:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Researcher 4148 This is not knowledge I have actively researched. I just wanted to make a comment on one of the fundamantel points he made. You cannot point at A's result in a event and laugh at it, and then rank B higher than A if B performed even worse. Simply stupid. Silly kitteh. Logics is not for teh internets.
Researcher 4148 Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.08.18 08:12:00 - [36] I would accept that adage. Tell it to the lad who used poor logic in an attempt to defeat me in a battle of wits. For that we need another adage. When coming to a battle of wits, don't come unarmed.
Sheba Gartenna	Posted - 2010.08.18 13:09:00 - [37] Oh no now you attack how I post on a forum my sentence structure. Here let me give you speeling to corect now. As for me am I a repo alt? Where have I ever mention repo? And didnÆt repo fail also? Or even stated I was an expert about merc stuff show me anyplace or anything that could lead you to that. Yet you continue to defend snatch and continue to post stating your not. Just proving to me you are. Battle of wits no not really I was stating youÆre a pompous a$$ and you continue to prove me right. As I stated in the beginning of this have the balls to post with your main like the rest of the mercs do.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.18 14:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheba Gartenna Oh no now you attack how I post on a forum my sentence structure. Here let me give you speeling to corect now. As for me am I a repo alt? Where have I ever mention repo? And didnÆt repo fail also? Or even stated I was an expert about merc stuff show me anyplace or anything that could lead you to that. Yet you continue to defend snatch and continue to post stating your not. Just proving to me you are. Battle of wits no not really I was stating youÆre a pompous a$$ and you continue to prove me right. As I stated in the beginning of this have the balls to post with your main like the rest of the mercs do. Please keep posting. You're funny. Thanks for putting us poor 0rphans in the top 3, Im pretty sure our results justify that position. Post with your main!
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.08.18 14:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 18/08/2010 14:30:23 Originally by: Sheba Gartenna Oh no now you attack how I post on a forum my sentence structure. Here let me give you speeling to corect now. As for me am I a repo alt? Where have I ever mention repo? And didnÆt repo fail also? Or even stated I was an expert about merc stuff show me anyplace or anything that could lead you to that. Yet you continue to defend snatch and continue to post stating your not. Just proving to me you are. Battle of wits no not really I was stating youÆre a pompous a$$ and you continue to prove me right. As I stated in the beginning of this have the balls to post with your main like the rest of the mercs do. TL:DR Would have tried except there was no sentence structure. Boost structure with Grammar DCUII +60% resist to flames.
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.18 20:29:00 - [40] I was going to reply to Gregors post but honestly it looks as if everyone here can navigate the forums better than I can. they'll see that we did not give up the client. as for standings. every pilot in the alliance can freely travel to every empire unimpeded, with the exception of my alt Celebrin Shoaf. I like pods... and as far as inaccurate killboards... one of the CEOs refused to give his API. as Gregor pointed out, that's been taken care of. oh, good bad or indifferent, thank you all for the bumps.
Worstluck Dead Pilots Society	Posted - 2010.08.18 20:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Worstluck on 18/08/2010 20:40:39 Edited by: Worstluck on 18/08/2010 20:40:07 Edited by: Worstluck on 18/08/2010 20:39:25 Originally by: Sheba Gartenna IÆm not at the least mad I just think your a pompous a$$. And while we are at it lets see have I ever told someone on this forum they fail before they even start no. And from what you say your not a merc alt and have only hired them and know a few of them so that makes you an expert ummm NO. You name the big 3 merc alliances as you call them. While you talk crap about 2 of them ôPitboss's new Privateers, Orphanage, TBH I'm not so sure about Noir any more since they don't smell like mercs any more but they can stay on the list for the time beingö and leave snatch victory alone. So that tells me your possibly a snatch victory alt. Which is ok with me as ive never had any dealings with snatch victory? Except watching them fail miserably during the alliance tournament. The other 2 organizations you name have the balls to at least post with their mains and yet you do not. Another thing who has ever said snatch victory should be classed as one of the big 3. I mean really who are they? What makes them part of the big 3 as you say? Oh thatÆs right your one of there alts. So if you want to make other mercs look bad at least come out and do it with your main. Or if youÆre not an alt and want to be such a merc expert why donÆt you become one. Then even I myself will read and maybe even take your advice. Oh and so that it doesn't seem like Im trying to hijack this thread. Best of luck to you DARK ANGEL CHAPTER!!! Who cares what this armchair quarterback has to say unless he can prove he knows what he is speaking about. Thanks m8.
Gregor Vernof Voodoo Tactical	Posted - 2010.08.19 02:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Celebrinbaur Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 18/08/2010 21:54:24 I was going to reply to Gregors post but honestly it looks as if everyone here can navigate the forums better than I can. they'll see that we did not give up the client. as for standings. every pilot in the alliance can freely travel to every empire unimpeded, with the exception of my alt Celebrin Shoaf. I like pods... and as far as inaccurate killboards... one of the CEOs refused to give his API. as Gregor pointed out, that's been taken care of. oh, good bad or indifferent, thank you all for the bumps. And again, for the record. regardless of performace. We never did Violate the terms of the contract or the trust of Client. Some information was just entirely too public. I could easily post the chat logs of convos with Tolowim and Nitees, just has you could has easily claim they where fabricated. However that does not change the fact that they happened and you have internal problems with inexperience players. It was reasonably clear who the Client was from his posts on C&P, however that doesn't change the fact that both Tolowim and Nitess dropped his name. What wasn't completely clear from Arador's posts where the "Terms" of the contract. Destroy us? Cause us to drop the Dec? Keep us busy? The vague "keep us busy" we learned from Tolowim. BTW, this the closest I want to get to flaming: you didn't succeed, check our kill boards. A quick look at your members factional reps will start to show problems, although Diplomacy V would help most of that. Also it was mentioned to us that the majority of your neutral help and friends where locked in their ability to move around. It's just the reality of High Sec warfare that neutral scouts and repping and plenty of good friends around the areas of operation go a long way to a successful contract. The more pressing issue was the complete lack of active pilots you had available for your Client's needs. A problem your own pilots where quick to complain about. A problem so acute that one of your members actually admitted in Local chat to account sharing with her Corp buddies so they could be logged in and hopefully distract us with locates on AFK pilots. You yourself only seemed to log in now and then and where never seen. Now trust me as an older player with a family I can fully understand RL issues being greater than EVE play time, but if the majority of your player base is absent I'd suggest it would not be appropriate to take contracts during that time. You have an organization that with some work could possibly become a fight force, there was a great amount of "fighting spirit" and willingness to learn from mistakes, but your younger pilots need some serious guidance before that becomes a reality. Until that reality is obtained I don't see how it is appropriate for you to continue to take a Client's isk while not being able to fulfill a contract. As for your Killboard a API from a Executor Corp CEO should be enough to post all the kills. If it doesn't I'd suggest to look around for a new one.
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.08.19 05:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Gregor Vernof Originally by: Celebrinbaur Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 18/08/2010 21:54:24 I was going to reply to Gregors post but honestly it looks as if everyone here can navigate the forums better than I can. they'll see that we did not give up the client. as for standings. every pilot in the alliance can freely travel to every empire unimpeded, with the exception of my alt Celebrin Shoaf. I like pods... and as far as inaccurate killboards... one of the CEOs refused to give his API. as Gregor pointed out, that's been taken care of. oh, good bad or indifferent, thank you all for the bumps. And again, for the record. regardless of performace. We never did Violate the terms of the contract or the trust of Client. Some information was just entirely too public. I could easily post the chat logs of convos with Tolowim and Nitees, just has you could has easily claim they where fabricated. However that does not change the fact that they happened and you have internal problems with inexperience players. It was reasonably clear who the Client was from his posts on C&P, however that doesn't change the fact that both Tolowim and Nitess dropped his name. What wasn't completely clear from Arador's posts where the "Terms" of the contract. Destroy us? Cause us to drop the Dec? Keep us busy? The vague "keep us busy" we learned from Tolowim. BTW, this the closest I want to get to flaming: you didn't succeed, check our kill boards. A quick look at your members factional reps will start to show problems, although Diplomacy V would help most of that. Also it was mentioned to us that the majority of your neutral help and friends where locked in their ability to move around. It's just the reality of High Sec warfare that neutral scouts and repping and plenty of good friends around the areas of operation go a long way to a successful contract. The more pressing issue was the complete lack of active pilots you had available for your Client's needs. A problem your own pilots where quick to complain about. A problem so acute that one of your members actually admitted in Local chat to account sharing with her Corp buddies so they could be logged in and hopefully distract us with locates on AFK pilots. You yourself only seemed to log in now and then and where never seen. Now trust me as an older player with a family I can fully understand RL issues being greater than EVE play time, but if the majority of your player base is absent I'd suggest it would not be appropriate to take contracts during that time. You have an organization that with some work could possibly become a fight force, there was a great amount of "fighting spirit" and willingness to learn from mistakes, but your younger pilots need some serious guidance before that becomes a reality. Until that reality is obtained I don't see how it is appropriate for you to continue to take a Client's isk while not being able to fulfill a contract. As for your Killboard a API from a Executor Corp CEO should be enough to post all the kills. If it doesn't I'd suggest to look around for a new one. I am not even going to comment on the contract anymore than I have. as far as the active Pilot situation, we had a couple of people Including myself having to attend to RL issues. I personally work on Tankers, Noramlly I can log on for 6 hours or so at night, but this BP situation has me goinf full time. I can only do administrative things. But, you are right. we weren't prepared for this and we never should have taken the contract. it wasn't fair to the client and it certainly wasn't fair to My guys. But we are learning from this, and every flame on this post helps. This has helped alot in how we conduct ourselves on future contracts, if we aquire any. I appreciate your candor as it is a springboard by which we institute new policy. I hate the fact that we are coming out the gate with such a huge black eye.
Master ManiC Solar Revenue Service	Posted - 2010.08.22 11:40:00 - [44] Edited by: Master ManiC on 22/08/2010 11:40:27 Well I hope for your sake your ready this time,decing us might have been a bad move heres our killboard incase you havent found it http://taxu.eve-kill.co.uk/?a=home
Brian Badondi	Posted - 2010.08.23 08:18:00 - [45] Bump for an excellent merc alliance.
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:54:00 - [46] √ Bump...
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:04:00 - [47] Bvmp
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:22:00 - [48] Killboard is looking a lot better this month.. Bet you are glad to get August behind you... August, 2010 - 46 Ships killed (2.36B ISK) 39 Ships lost (3.95B ISK) 37.45% Efficiency (ISK) Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.09.03 07:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Lana Torrin Killboard is looking a lot better this month.. Bet you are glad to get August behind you... August, 2010 - 46 Ships killed (2.36B ISK) 39 Ships lost (3.95B ISK) 37.45% Efficiency (ISK) Yeah, it was a struggle. and like I said in an earlier post, it allowed me to trim some fat. but we're progressing...
Mytzso Private Nuisance	Posted - 2010.09.03 08:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Celebrinbaur We just don't have enough sense to know when to quit and give up, and TBH we probably never will. Give it time :D
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.09.15 11:15:00 - [51] åBump
Tira Mitzu Sphere Industries	Posted - 2010.09.17 07:49:00 - [52] Cheers for your services, our efforts were still nooby and carebearish, but it was cool to join up with people who knew what they were doing friendly bump
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.10.27 08:31:00 - [53] bump
Celebrinbaur Caldari The Forgotten Heroes Dark Angels Chapter	Posted - 2010.10.28 05:05:00 - [54] Have I mentioned we are recruiting? well, you are all in luck. we are indeed recruiting, please contact myself or Tolowim Capeen for details. you can also join "DAC Basilica" ingame
Calfis	Posted - 2010.10.28 17:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Celebrinbaur Edited by: Celebrinbaur on 18/08/2010 21:54:24 regardless of performace. We never did Violate the terms of the contract or the trust of Client. Performance should be all that matters, effort is nice, but is it getting the job done? If I told my boss at work that I tried but couldn't get something done then more than likely I would be told "not good enough."

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