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Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24 Seriously...I can go into system after system and find macro-miners. It is ridiculous. You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk. This hurts the legitimate players that actually do play the game as intended and stay and actual mine. How does it hurt them? A non-afk-macro-miner cannot stay in game 23/7 and mine roids. These afk miners are driving down the price of ore for the players that choose to be miners and that is not fair. CCP has to take a pro-active stance against macro-miners and crack down on these macroing players. We players cannot afford to lose ships and security status dealing with it our selves. We shouldn't have to. Damn - how hard is it to put in some kind of random time check to see if a player is present at their computer while mining. Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present. This would go a long way to stopping the macroers from ruining the game for legitimate players. Seriously CCP - please get this under control.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:23:00 - [2] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk. Why would they respond to you? Quote: A non-afk-macro-miner cannot stay in game 23/7 and mine roids. How do you know they are? Are you in-game 23/7, you botter you? Quote: Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present How would this stop the botters? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:31:18 How do you know they are a botter? Because they do not respond to request to talk and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day and night - still mining away. By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input within a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game. If they are actively mining.
Usul Atreides	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:30:00 - [4] Hahaha. Captchas in a game. Priceless.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Because they do not respond to request to talk How does this prove anything except that they don't want to talk to you? Quote: and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day or not How does this prove anything except that they're on a lot? What makes either of those prove that they're using a bot? Quote: By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input with a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game. Yes? And? How would this stop botters? What makes you think that they can't input the code? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:33:00 - [6] CCP might look into macro mining in 18 months after they are done ruining the game we all love. Until then, CCP seems to endorse macro mining.
Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Because they do not respond to request to talk How does this prove anything except that they don't want to talk to you? Quote: and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day or not How does this prove anything except that they're on a lot? What makes either of those prove that they're using a bot? Quote: By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input with a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game. Yes? And? How would this stop botters? What makes you think that they can't input the code? Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game. You must be a botter since you want to introduce measures that have zero effect on your activities while still fooling people that CCP are doing something. Now, are you going to actually answer the questions? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Sua'Sponte	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:38:00 - [9] Could you imagine how many bowls of rice/ramen, or potatoes wouldn't be delivered to the hungry little bellies of far-off children if macro-mining were effectually countered? Even more important is how the economy would be effected, to include the price of your precious hulk.
Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 07/08/2010 20:37:10 Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game. You must be a botter since you want to introduce measures that have zero effect on your activities while still fooling people that CCP are doing something. Now, are you going to actually answer the questions? How do your indicators prove anything? How does your solution fix anything? Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there. I've answered your questions. On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.

Alia Corrino	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer. Irony.
Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Alia Corrino Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer. Irony. This is a foolish post? Right. Macro-mining is a not a problem in EVE.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there. So you can't think of a single reason why or how they'd work. Quote: I've answered your questions. Yes. Yes, you have. You have proved that you haven't quite thought your ideas through to the end. People not answering you is not proof of anything except that they don't care to talk to someone who behaves like your bog-standard griefer. People playing isn't proof of anything except that they're playing a lot. Your solution doesn't work because there's nothing to stop the bots from automating the code input as well. Quote: On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer. How about you contribute? So far, you've expressed that there's a problemà but you have thoroughly ambiguous and useless proof of this. You have suggested a complete non-solution. You don't want to discuss the issues your raise or the problems connected to those issues. You have, in essence, only said "fix bots!", which isn't particularly constructive at all. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
LustBunny	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:21:00 - [14] Well... We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:27:00 - [15] Originally by: LustBunny We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it. The is no evidence that she is running a bot fleet, just because she uses smoke and mirrors to try and obfuscate the issue does not prove that she is a bot user. However it is an assumption that I will use whenever I read any posts from her in future.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:36:00 - [16] Originally by: LustBunny Well... We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it. Yes: you. Otherwise, why would you want to see such useless measures? Are you going to answer the questions or not? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
King Gore The Church of Sentcha	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24 BBBBAAAAAAWWWWWW Gank em. - Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:54:00 - [18] I think your 'facts' and 'reasoned arguements supporting my position' are confusing them Tippia, since they dont seem to understand these concepts. The simple fact is that there is nothing CCP could reasonably implement that could not be taken into account by a sufficiently sophisticated macro program. They do the best they can and I salute them for it. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 - [19] If I'm working from home I'll mine for 16 hours semi afk. I'll have my development environment up on one machine and flip my second monitor to my laptop, dock and undock/warp/mine as needed while I'm working. Doesn't make me a macro, and I'd probably ignore you too. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.07 22:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Tippia It's not obfuscation ù it's explaining why the OP isn't making a good case for himself. There may or may not be a botting problem, but the OP offers no proof, no solution, noà wellà anything other than "waah! bots r mean!" While playing STO I have met many Eve players who are quite happy to admit that they bot, claiming it is the only way to play the game. A quick Google will find many Eve Online bot programs. There are many video clips on youtube where you can watch bots in action. All this is, of course, not proof. But makes me think that somebody who denies that Eve Online has a botting problem is either very naive or a botter themselves.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.07 22:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Hari Markkus While playing STO I have met many Eve players who are quite happy to admit that they bot, claiming it is the only way to play the game. A quick Google will find many Eve Online bot programs. There are many video clips on youtube where you can watch bots in action. So submit those as a basis for the thread instead. It's infinitely better than the nothing the OP offers. Quote: All this is, of course, not proof. But makes me think that somebody who denies that Eve Online has a botting problem is either very naive or a botter themselves. If you look closely, you'll notice that no-one is denying anythingà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Simply Human	Posted - 2010.08.07 22:16:00 - [22] If there was a way to tell bots and regular players apart CCP would have done it already. If someone mines for 6 hours straight that doesn't mean they're a bot, it just means they hate themselves and the game.
Remald Kar	Posted - 2010.08.07 22:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24 Seriously...I can go into system after system and find macro-miners. It is ridiculous. You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk. This hurts the legitimate players ... Khavi, have you considered the obvious? You are an annoying little whiner, who most likely has been blocked by 99 % of capsuleers. Block = No answer. Ever.
Hulkageddon Jackpot Amarr Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.08.07 23:03:00 - [24] Macro miners pay for their subs. What would possibly motivate CCP to do anything beyond the bare minimum required to keep us from complaining too much? That makes no business sense!
Kallehd Caldari Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.07 23:07:00 - [25] Mate, I mine. I wouldn't answer you. I wouldn't cry if you bumped me. I would ignore/auto-reject chat/fleet requests. Why? Because I can! Why do I "need" to answer you? Why would I need to react to your bumping? Because you want me to? You feel there's a need for me to prove something to you and in case I don't follow your procedure, you're right? When do you get off that high horse my noble sir?
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.07 23:29:00 - [26] Again? We need more of these topics cause one every week isn't enough. ------------------------------------------------------- 5 minute forum time delay is a crime against humanity.
saango0	Posted - 2010.08.07 23:44:00 - [27] Edited by: saango0 on 07/08/2010 23:48:56 There's no need for any hulk pilot to answer some prick yelling at him in local/bumping his ship, however, if you get in a t1 insured brutix and pull next to him expect a response or he's probably a macro ;). Honestly though, I don't think it's against the EULA to semi afk mine, meaning you leave your ship going until the cargo fills up. Most miners probably don't stay 100% alert at all times so you can't really be sure they're macros just because they don't respond to you.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2010.08.08 00:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot Macro miners pay for their subs. What would possibly motivate CCP to do anything beyond the bare minimum required to keep us from complaining too much? That makes no business sense! 2% of the user base using 30% of the clusters resources. That makes no business sense.
Hulkageddon	Posted - 2010.08.08 00:13:00 - [29] I routinely get ignored by miners. I steal their ore, loot their wrecks and do all sorts of things to get their attention and try to **** them off. The SMART ones ignore me and go about their business. The not so smart ones throw little tantrums and usually end up in their pods. We all know bots are bad and bots are in Eve but your argument is just plain weak.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.08.08 01:42:00 - [30] a lot of things are ridiculous atm in eve. Seriously, my advice to you is stop playing this game if you can't figure out how to play it for free. that is all.



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