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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24
Seriously...I can go into system after system and find macro-miners. It is ridiculous. You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk. This hurts the legitimate players that actually do play the game as intended and stay and actual mine. How does it hurt them? A non-afk-macro-miner cannot stay in game 23/7 and mine roids. These afk miners are driving down the price of ore for the players that choose to be miners and that is not fair.
CCP has to take a pro-active stance against macro-miners and crack down on these macroing players. We players cannot afford to lose ships and security status dealing with it our selves. We shouldn't have to.
Damn - how hard is it to put in some kind of random time check to see if a player is present at their computer while mining. Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present. This would go a long way to stopping the macroers from ruining the game for legitimate players.
Seriously CCP - please get this under control.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk.
Why would they respond to you?
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A non-afk-macro-miner cannot stay in game 23/7 and mine roids.
How do you know they are? Are you in-game 23/7, you botter you?
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Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present
How would this stop the botters?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:31:18
How do you know they are a botter? Because they do not respond to request to talk and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day and night - still mining away.
By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input within a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game. If they are actively mining.
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Usul Atreides
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:30:00 -
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Hahaha.
Captchas in a game. Priceless.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Because they do not respond to request to talk
How does this prove anything except that they don't want to talk to you?
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and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day or not
How does this prove anything except that they're on a lot?
What makes either of those prove that they're using a bot?
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By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input with a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game.
Yes? And? How would this stop botters? What makes you think that they can't input the code?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:33:00 -
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CCP might look into macro mining in 18 months after they are done ruining the game we all love.
Until then, CCP seems to endorse macro mining.
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Because they do not respond to request to talk
How does this prove anything except that they don't want to talk to you?
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and or they are on when I stop playing and back on when I return at different times of the day or not
How does this prove anything except that they're on a lot?
What makes either of those prove that they're using a bot?
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By having a random code pop up and requesting the miner to input it would verify that they are present. It would pop up at various odd times and if it is not input with a short period of time the botter is kicked from the game.
Yes? And? How would this stop botters? What makes you think that they can't input the code?
Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game.
You must be a botter since you want to introduce measures that have zero effect on your activities while still fooling people that CCP are doing something.
Now, are you going to actually answer the questions?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Sua'Sponte
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Could you imagine how many bowls of rice/ramen, or potatoes wouldn't be delivered to the hungry little bellies of far-off children if macro-mining were effectually countered?
Even more important is how the economy would be effected, to include the price of your precious hulk.
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 07/08/2010 20:37:10
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Right...so you must be a botter because you seem to be trying your best to make this seem like this is not a problem in game.
You must be a botter since you want to introduce measures that have zero effect on your activities while still fooling people that CCP are doing something.
Now, are you going to actually answer the questions?
How do your indicators prove anything? How does your solution fix anything?
Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there. I've answered your questions. On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.
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Alia Corrino
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.
Irony.
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alia Corrino
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.
Irony.
This is a foolish post? Right. Macro-mining is a not a problem in EVE. 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there.
So you can't think of a single reason why or how they'd work.
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I've answered your questions.
Yes. Yes, you have. You have proved that you haven't quite thought your ideas through to the end.
People not answering you is not proof of anything except that they don't care to talk to someone who behaves like your bog-standard griefer. People playing isn't proof of anything except that they're playing a lot. Your solution doesn't work because there's nothing to stop the bots from automating the code input as well.
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On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.
How about you contribute? So far, you've expressed that there's a problemà but you have thoroughly ambiguous and useless proof of this. You have suggested a complete non-solution. You don't want to discuss the issues your raise or the problems connected to those issues.
You have, in essence, only said "fix bots!", which isn't particularly constructive at all.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
LustBunny
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:21:00 -
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Well...
We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: LustBunny
We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it.
The is no evidence that she is running a bot fleet, just because she uses smoke and mirrors to try and obfuscate the issue does not prove that she is a bot user. However it is an assumption that I will use whenever I read any posts from her in future.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: LustBunny
Well...
We certainly know who is running a macro-bot fleet in this thread, and who is being hit in the wallet by it.
Yes: you. Otherwise, why would you want to see such useless measures?
Are you going to answer the questions or not?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24
BBBBAAAAAAWWWWWW
Gank em.
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Originally by: Verone
Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone
I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:54:00 -
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I think your 'facts' and 'reasoned arguements supporting my position' are confusing them Tippia, since they dont seem to understand these concepts.
The simple fact is that there is nothing CCP could reasonably implement that could not be taken into account by a sufficiently sophisticated macro program. They do the best they can and I salute them for it.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 -
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If I'm working from home I'll mine for 16 hours semi afk. I'll have my development environment up on one machine and flip my second monitor to my laptop, dock and undock/warp/mine as needed while I'm working. Doesn't make me a macro, and I'd probably ignore you too.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
It's not obfuscation ù it's explaining why the OP isn't making a good case for himself. There may or may not be a botting problem, but the OP offers no proof, no solution, noà wellà anything other than "waah! bots r mean!"
While playing STO I have met many Eve players who are quite happy to admit that they bot, claiming it is the only way to play the game. A quick Google will find many Eve Online bot programs. There are many video clips on youtube where you can watch bots in action.
All this is, of course, not proof. But makes me think that somebody who denies that Eve Online has a botting problem is either very naive or a botter themselves.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus
While playing STO I have met many Eve players who are quite happy to admit that they bot, claiming it is the only way to play the game. A quick Google will find many Eve Online bot programs. There are many video clips on youtube where you can watch bots in action.
So submit those as a basis for the thread instead. It's infinitely better than the nothing the OP offers.
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All this is, of course, not proof. But makes me think that somebody who denies that Eve Online has a botting problem is either very naive or a botter themselves.
If you look closely, you'll notice that no-one is denying anythingà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:16:00 -
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If there was a way to tell bots and regular players apart CCP would have done it already.
If someone mines for 6 hours straight that doesn't mean they're a bot, it just means they hate themselves and the game. |
Remald Kar
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 07/08/2010 20:23:24
Seriously...I can go into system after system and find macro-miners. It is ridiculous. You can bump their ships, try to contact the operator and get no response from hulk, after hulk, after hulk. This hurts the legitimate players ...
Khavi, have you considered the obvious?
You are an annoying little whiner, who most likely has been blocked by 99 % of capsuleers.
Block = No answer. Ever. |
Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:03:00 -
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Macro miners pay for their subs.
What would possibly motivate CCP to do anything beyond the bare minimum required to keep us from complaining too much?
That makes no business sense!
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Kallehd
Caldari
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:07:00 -
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Mate, I mine. I wouldn't answer you. I wouldn't cry if you bumped me. I would ignore/auto-reject chat/fleet requests.
Why? Because I can! Why do I "need" to answer you? Why would I need to react to your bumping? Because you want me to? You feel there's a need for me to prove something to you and in case I don't follow your procedure, you're right?
When do you get off that high horse my noble sir?
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:29:00 -
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Again? We need more of these topics cause one every week isn't enough.
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saango0
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: saango0 on 07/08/2010 23:48:56
There's no need for any hulk pilot to answer some prick yelling at him in local/bumping his ship, however, if you get in a t1 insured brutix and pull next to him expect a response or he's probably a macro ;).
Honestly though, I don't think it's against the EULA to semi afk mine, meaning you leave your ship going until the cargo fills up. Most miners probably don't stay 100% alert at all times so you can't really be sure they're macros just because they don't respond to you.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Macro miners pay for their subs.
What would possibly motivate CCP to do anything beyond the bare minimum required to keep us from complaining too much?
That makes no business sense!
2% of the user base using 30% of the clusters resources. That makes no business sense.
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Hulkageddon
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:13:00 -
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I routinely get ignored by miners. I steal their ore, loot their wrecks and do all sorts of things to get their attention and try to **** them off. The SMART ones ignore me and go about their business. The not so smart ones throw little tantrums and usually end up in their pods.
We all know bots are bad and bots are in Eve but your argument is just plain weak.
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Leil Ren'Do
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:42:00 -
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a lot of things are ridiculous atm in eve.
Seriously, my advice to you is stop playing this game if you can't figure out how to play it for free.
that is all.
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:44:00 -
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they do crack down on macros
they endore hulkageddon every year.
what more do u want?
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.08 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Why would they respond to you?
You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?
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How do you know they are? Are you in-game 23/7, you botter you?
Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.
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How would this stop the botters?
It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:12:03
Originally by: Ori Blake
You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?
Yes. Why humour the guy who's obvious goal is to annoy you and get your attention?
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Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.
àand how do you know he's not doing the same?
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It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.
Capchas are already being botted. The bot doesn't have to "brute force" it when it can just read ità
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:22:00 -
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I like the input a code idea
System changed to BHV-Y8
Myrmidon has Warp Disrupted your Stabber
Electron Blaster Deals 458 Dmg
Please insert this code 25BJFV7NRD99X to continue
Myrmidon has Warp Disrupted your pod
That will show those Macro's
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:12:03
Originally by: Ori Blake
You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?
Yes. Why humour the guy who's obvious goal is to annoy you and get your attention?
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Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.
àand how do you know he's not doing the same?
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It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.
Capchas are already being botted. The bot doesn't have to "brute force" it when it can just read ità
1. Because there's a chance he might blow up your exhumer. Target him as a catalyst or arty thrasher. Also, anyone at the keys is going to make some kind of action: move to a different belt, reply back, something.
2. Because its hard to coincide. I'm talking just checking for a few minutes at different times in the day. The average person is not going to be on a lot of different times: work, classes, etc. Do it for a few days if you worry to screen accidents. Ask corp members to check too.
3. That's why they distort them, or put them in a gif, to prevent reading.
In any case, CCP will have tools and be able to watch accounts who is suspected of being a bot. Players simply cannot mine for 16-24 hours a day. Let them check to see if you doubt players ability to determine it, and let them deal with it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:45:21
Originally by: Ori Blake
1. Because there's a chance he might blow up your exhumer. Target him as a catalyst or arty thrasher. Also, anyone at the keys is going to make some kind of action: move to a different belt, reply back, something.
So you pretty much prove that you're a griefer out for attentionà so why give it to you?
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3. That's why they distort them, or put them in a gif, to prevent reading.
OCR has that solved already.
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2. Because its hard to coincide.
Fair enoughà but the basic problem remains: you can't know. The only solution to this is constant surveillance, at which point we run headlong into the key issue hereà Quote:
In any case, CCP will have tools and be able to watch accounts who is suspected of being a bot. Players simply cannot mine for 16-24 hours a day. Let them check to see if you doubt players ability to determine it, and let them deal with it.
àwhich is that this is already what's happening, and people aren't satisfied with it.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Johann Rascali
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:18:00 -
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I must admit, I did lol at the four pods in an ice field that were repeatedly docking then rewarping to the same point after a certain amount of time...for two hours straight. |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Rascali
I must admit, I did lol at the four pods in an ice field that were repeatedly docking then rewarping to the same point after a certain amount of time...for two hours straight.
Leave Tippia's bots alone. 
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.08 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aera Aiana on 08/08/2010 09:47:50
I understand your frustration. As a legitimite miner you have to deal with prejudice ("it's a botter anyway, so let's blow em up") and low mineral prices resulting in the crappiest income you can get down to in EVE. But...
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present.
... that idea is more like an insult isn't it? So mining is crappy and instead of fixing it and adding some actual "game-experience" into it, you want them to go the easy way (again) and use a captcha check? WTF!?
The only way to fix mining is to make it interesting and to some degree challenging. Otherwise it will never be worth the time investment. Nothing easy ever is.
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Aoshi Yamura
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:40:00 -
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Only way I can think to "solve" macro-mining is to remove belts from hi-sec. Make "hi-sec minerals" like veldspar and scordite available on the market from NPC vendors.
All low-sec and null-sec belts stay the same.
You can imagine the uproar from such a change, considering most the playerbase resides in hi-sec.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:32:00 -
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What's botting? What's AFK, What's a miner?
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:35:00 -
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Who would we gank then :(
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Giovanni DalleBandeNere
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:47:00 -
[43]
bump bump bump, flip flip flip or also pop pop pop
if you and yr corpmates/friends start doin continuosly for some days, u'll see they'll move somwhere else..and there u have yr system to mine in ^_^
also 0.0 macro ratters can be noisy..but meh
btw is not that CCP did nothing against bots
cya
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there. I've answered your questions. On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.
You, Sir, are a moron.
If I dont respond to your whining if I'm a macro, there is nothing wrong with that. You have too much self importance.
Being able to check if someone is online 23/7 means you are as well... u a butter ? By your logic you are.
Having to type some verification string would not solve anything. The macro would get edited to do that as well.
The fact you fail to see how Tippia just said the exact same thing makes me wonder if you still play under adult supervision
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Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:21:00 -
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Im a macrominer. heck. I must be. because:
1. I have a few times in my eve career had mining ops running for 15-18 hours..... Self mined ore is free, rite???
2. not answering hails from people. Reading, busy doing anything else during laser cycle or not caring about answering, not seeing hails in local etc.
Generalizations are the first failure to stopping them botters.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Malena VXXI
Amarr
Persia Capital Investments Group
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:42:00 -
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as a miner I realy feed up with people stating in local Im a macrominer and then bump my hulks.
O yeas I run more then 3 accounts mostly on the same time.
O thats right I realy feed upp with the idea with I as a miner should have to put in a code during my mining to est Im a real player.
I trying to play a game here.
O for that matter alot of us miners 'those who make it possible for you to have a ship at all'
tend to have other stuff then talking to as we call griefers (macro intel so call macro hunters)
we sitt and chatt with friends in voice chatt with text chatt minimized.
Its called Ventrilo 'hint off'
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.08.08 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Epeen on 08/08/2010 14:23:51
There is a huge difference between ignoring dumb**** idiots out to harass you and running a bot program.
I fall in the first category. I have actually been reported for telling some asshat to leave me alone because I'm a macro. Think about the intelligence involved within that little pea brain. Most of the people posting in this thread are idiots and couldn't care less about botting. They just want to jump on the band wagon and pad their post count.
Mr Epeen 
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:16:00 -
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As much as I hate cheating in games - which botting definitely is - a few facts:
1. There's not a single mmorpg game around without botters;
2. Afaik CCP has never ever banned macro miners solely for macro mining itself. They only ban you when you sell the profit for RL money;
3. How to prove someone's a botter/macro miner?
a) bumping doesn't mean anything. Every Hulk player doesn't watch their mining lasers yield ore for 15 minutes, at least I definitely don't. Everyone is afk or does other things on a 2nd account;
b) doesn't respond to convo: same thing. Next to that, some poeople may not speak english and the EULA doesn't say you have to answer every convo request;
c) 23/7: some people suffer from insomnia and can stay awake for weeks;
What CCP should do is making botting impossible by constantly changing some game mechanisms so the programs don't work.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
What CCP should do is making botting impossible by constantly changing some game mechanisms so the programs don't work.
Now do you honestly believe that to ever be possible? I sure as hell don't.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:04:00 -
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What hasn't been macro'd in Eve? Find that and then see if it's possible to make a mining version of that.
For example, combat mission running might not be easily macroable. How would/could you make mining act enough like combat mission to prevent macroing? Maybe, introduce a chance for mining ship loss if you're not paying attention?
Also, why is it in CCP's (and probably most players') interests to eliminate macro-mining? Macro-miners bring in subscriber money for CCP and they keep mineral prices low, which means that ships and ship component prices are lower. I'm going to guess that ship combat and industry brings in more active subscribers than mining. It might actually be bad for Eve if macromining were to be completely eliminated?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:03:00 -
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Stop whining and kill them you damn carebear.
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Confirming that I am the best poster.
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Lord Orefinger
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Posted - 2010.08.09 00:01:00 -
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The largest reason they can do this and ignore your attempts to contact them is because the game supports the ability to stop everybody from contacting you. If they remove this feature - and make the game client smaller and possibly faster as a result - then this problem goes away. People would still have to spend ISK to contact you of you have it turned on, and it does nothing to harm people not using scripts.
We already have systems in place to limit spam, etc.. and this is an MMO, so the key thing here being "multiple player".. so this feature seems to me to exist only to be abused or limit the fun of the game. So remove it.
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