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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:58:00 -
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you're stupid enough to undock with 74 plexes in your hold, then you're a freaking moron. it's not CCP's problem that someone is terminally stupid.
that being said.. christ i wish i had that kinda ISK to blow.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
So basically this is what just happened:
1) person(s) A purchase service from CCP (playtime) for real money.
2) this playtime is destroyed in game
3) CCP has thus earned 1200 bucks, and does not need to give service/playtime in return.
4) CCP makes 100% return on these 1200 bucks.
That reeks of fraud to me.
Which is why you are not a lawyer.
as someone who writes financial software
fraud has a specific meaning.
this is not fraud.
if you feel the urge to falsely accuse someone of fraud again try the following simple steps
1) Find the nearest door
2) Open it
3) Place you head against the doorjam
4) Slam door
repeat until sense is knocked into you.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:36:00 -
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Plexes should have a 90-100% drop rate though.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.
I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)
Totally and 100% legal. you purchased an ingame (well.. 2 units of it) for real money, then turned around and exchanged it for ISK. CCP explicitly says there is no gaurantee said item will not be destroyed.
it's just like if they sold ships for real money and someone's ship got blown up. buying virtual goods with real money is 100% caveat emptor.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
The part I wonder about, is if this applies when the ingame item can be redeemed for real world service, which is a very different beast from say, a ship or an ingame weapon.
So, i sent out the question :D
and ingame item is an ingame item, no matter what you can do with it.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
posting in a thread-naught!
hell dude.. you STARTED the threadnaught.
oh and to all the "waaa waa real world money behind waa waa"
farking QQ more.
would i be ****ed if plexes belonging to me got popped? yes
who would i ****ed at? myself for being a moron.
as for the "waa waa CCP greedy, no other reason to do this people": every special treatment item in the game creates complexities that can introduce bugs. by eliminating this class of "Special item" from the game they eliminate a potential source of bugs and exploits.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: BuckStrider
Second, Eff Yoo CCP for your money grab scam
QQ moar
in other games where you can buy ingame items for real world money is it a scam when they get destroyed?
if you could pay $5 for an Imperial Navy Apoc would it be a scam when you get blown away because you're a freaking idiot and warped to 50km on Jita 4-4 while wardec'ed?
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Giovanni DalleBandeNere
that loss hurts!
agree on the fact that he was a stupid to move the 74 plex, xpecially in a cyno frig -.-
what i ask is..do that kind of "loot" actually drops sometimes?
'cause if it does, everything's fine (xcept that dude ^_^;), if it doesn't well..then there's a problem
yes.  PLEXes do drop.
it's just this was a stack, and as you remember stacks get processed all at once instead of individually. some people loaded up a frig with 4 million PLEXes (unstacked) on Sisi then blew it up... 99%+ of them dropped.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:25:00 -
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to everyone crying in this thread: HTFU!
There is a perfectly legitimate software engineering reason to remove the special rules off this item: reduces chances for bugs and exploits
Legally and ETHICALLY CCP only has a responsibility to honor: A GTC (convertable into game time, or 2 PLEX). Once that code is redeemed their responsibility is ended until such a time as someone presents a PLEX for redemption. tese would be covered by the same ethics and laws as a gift card. It is not the responsibility of the issuer of a gift card (or prepaid visa or mastercard) if the card is lost or destroyed. They're only obligated to honor othem when they're presented.
The decisions of the players involved in this situation destroyed the "gift cards" (PLEX) so they can not be presented for redemption. It is not the legal or ethical responsibility of CCP to honor gift cards that are destroyed.
Furthermore as shown on test PLEX have a very good probability of dropping (when not stuck inside a can which got destroyed)./
Yes this means that CCP gets more money in than they give services out.. this is true of everyone who issues gift cards or prepaid credit/debit cards.
Caveat: I am a software engineer in the credit/debit/ACH processing industry.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:42:00 -
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Nye look up one post for the explanation.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nye Jaran
Regardless of the state of a gift card (in a pocket / wallet, lost, stolen, etc.) it still has value until it is used, yes?
no, if the gift card is destroyed (cut up, melted, whatever) it is void. if the number is still readable the store can, at their discretion, choose to honnor the card by punching in the PAN manually.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nye Jaran
Edited by: Nye Jaran on 08/08/2010 17:08:21
Originally by: Ressiv
Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 17:00:22
Originally by: Nye Jaran
However, when a PLEX gets destroyed, it's much like the gift card issuer deleting the card information from the DB it's much like the owner keeping it in his pocket, while washing his pants. It removes the value completely and prevents it from ever being used.
FYP
Never used a Gamestop gift card to buy from them online? Doesn't matter what happens to the card, as long as you know the number and PIN, you're good to go. Not that I've ever done that (washing a gift card) or anything.
apparently me explaining how they work to you twice was insufficient to get the point across?
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:20:00 -
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if the card is destroyed then the issuer has no responsibility to honor it, they're just being nice by honoring it's number if you have the number and the PIN.
PLEXs are like gift cards that don't have numbers printed on them (Yes.. some are magnetic strip only, don't have numbers printed on them).
once it is destroyed it is void (aka no longer has to be honored).
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nye Jaran
Originally by: Denidil
PLEXs are like gift cards that don't have numbers printed on them (Yes.. some are magnetic strip only, don't have numbers printed on them).
Now I understand. I still don't agree with it, but I get it. I was thinking about it in terms of data (card number / PIN).
99% of the time it's just data to me to as i work on the software that routes the transaction from the acquirer (aka the person making a charge) to the issuer (who's card it is). different types of cards have different rules though - Pin and Chip, Swipe and Sign, Prepaid Visa/MC, Debit, gift cards, etc.
Gift cards are actually usually not even processed on the same system as the rest of those - it's really only the Visa and master card "Gift Cards" (prepaid credit cards) that get processed over that. Gift Cards are usually either processed in house by the store (by having a step between their terminals and their transaction processor) or by their transaction processor. but AFAIK you won't find a store that has gift cards from a company that is not their acquirer processor.
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil
One major difference between a gift card and a plex, is that a plex can only be destroyed by design, or by a systems failure on the CCP side.
If a gift card is destroyed its usually by accident. If a gift card is meant to be fragile and thus add extra income on the side for the company making them, I would consider that fishy as well.
Normally thats not an issue because they are usually pretty sturdy.
CCP designed for PLEXes to be destroyable, otherwise it wouldn't even be possible.
what? logic, you don't have it.
items in eve can be destroyed. PLEX is an item in Eve. therefore PLEX can be destroyed.
for a long time there was special case code blocking that last step. special case code opens the door to bugs and exploits. therefore CCP told you to take responsibility for your own actions and be careful.
you see to want to live in a world where you constantly have a nanny protectin you. protecting people from their own stupidity is often a great idea in real life, but this is a game and PLEXs are an in game item - you had to choose to buy a GTC and then choose to redeem it as PLEX then you had to choose to undock with those. see all that player choice?
it is not CCP's fault that players are stupid.
would i be ****ed if i got popped with PLEX in the hold? yes
whould i be ****ed at CCP? no
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Denidil
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Posted - 2010.08.09 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Denidil on 09/08/2010 00:52:34
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oh nevermind.. the crybabies in this thread are just too dumb to bother talking to.
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