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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 09/08/2010 04:05:17
 Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
@ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
I'm confused. Who's the good guy in this fight?
Well you have the honest a--holes on my side and you have the pleasant prevaricator on his side. "Good" is a relative judgment so Ill let that to you.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:19:00 -
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Every day I get into my crappy assed purple smoke spewing used volkswagen, and other people tell me it's not a good car and I'm paying too much to maintain it. But I get into it and it drives just fine. I don't understand why other people say it's not great.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva
Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46
Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
*points to sig*
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.09 10:58:00 -
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It is understood that the largest portion of the player-base lives in Empire and seem to be saying they have relatively little to no issues with the "lag monster" and the fewer low and nullsec pilots are voicing their realistic concern for the welfare of our game.
The issue that was pointed out by Thorian about the reinforcement of the node is a legitimate note that CCP has surely investigated, and now the problem is the lack of communication with the player-base. I have read the development blogs, assisted in Singularity and supported CCP in every way a player can support.
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
Fly Safe,
Proclus Diadochu
RUKE Coordinator
Varion Galactic
OWN Alliance, NC
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:12:00 -
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Harden the **** up.
Straight up 100% agree. The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Its starting to sound like an election race where the liberal candidate loses.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:25:00 -
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Instead of re-typing my last response to a person who thinks "the game is working fine", here is a copy of my last post:
I bought this new car, the engine might be broken (0.0) and the back seats are smeared with something pretty smelly (lowsec) but as long as I leave it parked in my garage (highsec) and only polish it once every few days instead of actually driving it (PVP) everything works great with it.
Best car I've ever owned!
Just because your idea of a large fleet is when you log on your salvaging alt to clean up your level 4 missions doesn't mean that all of our gameplay is so limited. We want to play EVE as it is intended by CCP and as it is being sold and advertised. That mainly involves large fleet battles. (Just watch the last few EVE trailers if you don't believe me - do they ever advertise their boring crap missions? Or boring crap mining? Or boring crap industry? Or do they present large fleet engagements as one of the key points of this game?)
And if your next argument is "then don't fly in large fleets" then my response is: before the change to Sov mechanics I voiced my concern that CCP was implementing as system that would give the side with the most numbers the advantage. My suggestion was to split up the Sov-structures (or at least the SBUs) over multiple systems so simply stuffing your 2000 people into a single system won't help take/hold Sov. Sadly CCP found it a better idea to make blobbing the only way to take or hold Sov.
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Chalmecatecuchtlz
NOMADIC MISFITS
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Says the tool posting with an alt. nice story bro...
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
^this
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
And when CCP stops advertising EVE with 500vs500 battles and starts advertising their "wonderful PVE content" instead then I'll stop whining, accept that CCP broke EVE and quit. But I won't let them get away with downplaying the concerns of the group of customers that are solely responsible for this game becoming what it is today. And those are not the moronic carebears that are content running the same boring missions (personally I think you'd have to be brain damaged to stand running missions for more then a few hours - or simply have dismal taste and no idea what a decent PVE game looks like) it's the PVPers and mainly 0.0-PVPers that brought the game to where it is today.
So I feel like I've put up with CCPs technical ineptitude for the last 5 years, always believing in their vision for the game and recruiting new players only to now be betrayed by some marketing a-hole at CCP who thinks he can milk his loyal customers for maximum cash before they finally get sick of it and quit. Then implement some half-arsed features to attract new customers to replace the old loyal ones.
The last time a games company did that was during the CU/NGE patches of SWG. And we all know how well that worked.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chalmecatecuchtlz
Originally by: Jovialmadness
The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Says the tool posting with an alt. nice story bro...
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
^this
-Chalm, G4MER
Annnd so enters my point...,
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As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
It is understood that the largest portion of the player-base lives in Empire and seem to be saying they have relatively little to no issues with the "lag monster" and the fewer low and nullsec pilots are voicing their realistic concern for the welfare of our game.
Don't drag low sec into your little spin game mate. Granted we do get a bit of lag there now and then but its not the game crushing lag the blobby fleet fight players suffer. Unless these low sec players you are talking about are actually some nullsec corp trying to hotdrop a blob on something in low sec. Same rules apply there too for massive blobs.
Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
I just hope they realize we(the fleet fight guys) are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
No you are not. Fleet fights have been borked for nearly a year and yet nullsec is filled new territory holding alliances with happy players running pi or exploring or mining or ratting or running anomolies or getting some small to medium gang pew pew in or any of the thousand other things that actually make up the content of nullsec. They are the ones contributing the most to the economy and are the real heartbeat of the game. I have also yet to see any threadnaught from them complaining about the state of nullsec so things must be pretty peachy there for them. Oh wait I'm sorry. I forgot if you try to form a blob nowadays it kills everyones fun even if they are not in your blob. So it sounds more like fleet fights are a heart attack instead judging by how they kill off other peoples legitimate fun.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.09 18:21:00 -
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end of beta(2003): "this game is broken and will never succeed"
8 successful years later: "this game is broken and will never succeed"
moral: Haters will hate when its convienent for them
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
i'm just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going nowhere, tbh.
although i would love a UI overhaul. that's one thing i can honestly say sucks.
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Arkanor
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:57:00 -
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I've been in some fights around the 20v20-50v50 size and haven't seen really much lag. Modules seem to activate fine, grid doesn't appear to take significantly longer to load than normal, once you're actually removed from the previous system that is.
Jumping however, seems to be a bit bothersome, especially when multiple people are doing it, it can take upwards of 20 seconds to activate a jump (and get out of limbo) and that's annoying.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
I've been in some fights around the 20v20-50v50 size and haven't seen really much lag. Modules seem to activate fine, grid doesn't appear to take significantly longer to load than normal, once you're actually removed from the previous system that is.
Jumping however, seems to be a bit bothersome, especially when multiple people are doing it, it can take upwards of 20 seconds to activate a jump (and get out of limbo) and that's annoying.
Yeah. The times that lag does rear its ugly head on low sec roams seems to be on the jump in. But once in it runs just fine like you stated.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:15:00 -
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Telling paying customers to HTFU in the face of game crashing or 1 minute delay lag is ret arded.
Yes you people have extremely low intelligence.
Ive played this game a very long time. It used to have terrible lag - then CCP fixed the lag(mostly.) It was a good thing.
Then CCP patched the lag back into the game. That was a very bad thing.
If you cant handle me pointing it out maybe you dont understand forums - or more likely youre just ret arded.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Ive played this game a very long time. It used to have terrible lag doing pretty much anything - then CCP fixed the lag(mostly.) It was a good thing.
Then CCP patched fleet fight lag back into the game. That was a very bad thing.
Fixed.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.10 03:48:00 -
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What I said wasnt incorrect and your "fix" was already implied obviously.
It goes back to only clueless noobs dont know that - in this case they would ahve to be so lazy that they didnt even bother to read this thread.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 10/08/2010 05:36:09
Originally by: Zeba
Stuff
Do you actually leave the dock? or just not pay attention?I run through hi sec low sec and 0.0.Hi sec and low sec are the least laggy but not because epic fleet fights are taking place every second in every region in 0.0. hi sec and low sec are on better servers. They are designed to handle a larger server load continuously. Yes their is still lag in both hi sec and low sec. Docking and undocking takes longer than it should. Modules will make nearly a complete cycle sometimes when they shut off. Is it all the time? No. Is it worse than it was a year ago? definately. But i didnt have a year to get use to it either as i been gone for many months.
0.0 Is not about epic fleet fights 24/7. If you think thats what goes on in 0.0 constantly then you need to visit it a bit more.I still get lag in a region that has 40 plus systems and not even 100 people for the entire region. No fleet fights, no major fleet movements. Not even major ratting/mining/carebearing going on. Most are docked and probably afk. Still get lag.
Who do you think all those carebear alts belong to in high sec? How do you think we fund pvp down here in 0.0? You think( most) of us go out on our pvp character and mine/rat/mission? Alts are very common. Most people in high sec are tied to 0.0. All the carebears you see in this game are not just hardcore never been out of high sec carebears. a very large portion interact with 0.0 either on the toons you see or alts.
If carebearing was so popular in this game. If it was the big lure for Eve dont you think CCP would be marketing that if thats what draws the most players? Dont you think they would make more high sec? instead of more 0.0? You know they have guys that sit in offices all day long and crunch those kind of numbers. What do we want to market in Eve? missions! Mining! No. They market 0.0 pvp. 0.0 pvp is the money maker. because 0.0 pvpers invest a lot of money into this game. We run around on a bunch of alts, some to fly caps some to carebear, some to pvp and some just cause we can. Ultimately we are here to pvp. and we fuel that desire with alt accounts to do specific tasks, and with selling plexs( for those that are lazy). WE are the ones that invest a majority of money in this game. Not the mission runners or the high sec miners or the indy toons.
0.0 is broken. Not just fleet fights. Its amplified by fleet fights but it is broken even when it is empty and the only thing warping around are rats. If all the 0.0 pvpers left this game tomorrow with all their alt accounts, CCP would crash and they know it.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 10/08/2010 05:36:09
Originally by: Zeba
Stuff
Do you actually leave the dock? or just not pay attention?I run through hi sec low sec and 0.0.Hi sec and low sec are the least laggy but not because epic fleet fights are taking place every second in every region in 0.0. hi sec and low sec are on better servers. They are designed to handle a larger server load continuously. Yes their is still lag in both hi sec and low sec. Docking and undocking takes longer than it should. Modules will make nearly a complete cycle sometimes when they shut off. Is it all the time? No. Is it worse than it was a year ago? definately. But i didnt have a year to get use to it either as i been gone for many months.
0.0 Is not about epic fleet fights 24/7. If you think thats what goes on in 0.0 constantly then you need to visit it a bit more.I still get lag in a region that has 40 plus systems and not even 100 people for the entire region. No fleet fights, no major fleet movements. Not even major ratting/mining/carebearing going on. Most are docked and probably afk. Still get lag.
Who do you think all those carebear alts belong to in high sec? How do you think we fund pvp down here in 0.0? You think( most) of us go out on our pvp character and mine/rat/mission? Alts are very common. Most people in high sec are tied to 0.0. All the carebears you see in this game are not just hardcore never been out of high sec carebears. a very large portion interact with 0.0 either on the toons you see or alts.
If carebearing was so popular in this game. If it was the big lure for Eve dont you think CCP would be marketing that if thats what draws the most players? Dont you think they would make more high sec? instead of more 0.0? You know they have guys that sit in offices all day long and crunch those kind of numbers. What do we want to market in Eve? missions! Mining! No. They market 0.0 pvp. 0.0 pvp is the money maker. because 0.0 pvpers invest a lot of money into this game. We run around on a bunch of alts, some to fly caps some to carebear, some to pvp and some just cause we can. Ultimately we are here to pvp. and we fuel that desire with alt accounts to do specific tasks, and with selling plexs( for those that are lazy). WE are the ones that invest a majority of money in this game. Not the mission runners or the high sec miners or the indy toons.
0.0 is broken. Not just fleet fights. Its amplified by fleet fights but it is broken even when it is empty and the only thing warping around are rats. If all the 0.0 pvpers left this game tomorrow with all their alt accounts, CCP would crash and they know it.
^ This is fact.
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