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Taliya Valkorva
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46 Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:03:00 -
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Honestly, the stress on the system has become fairly bad. Since I live in nullsec and am frequently in large fleets when RL doesn't interfere, I have noticed quite a few instances of loading issues, gate lag, fleet lag, black screens, and other various complaints that pilots have voiced.
I can't speak for the whole, but individually I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems. Hopefully our friends at CCP will discover the issue and the upcoming expansions will be better for content and quality of the game.
This is all I have personally noticed. Hopefully this provides useful perspective.
Fly safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
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veltorse
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: veltorse on 08/08/2010 01:05:32 only problem i have experienced are the people who complain about EVE and what CCP is doing with there time they really need to play WoW for a while before they complain
and system lag in 0.0 when doing 150+fleet fights down in providence really want to experience one without both sides calling it off
also its unfair that my corp mates get more true sansha spawns and plexes than me
other than that games been fine
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Usagi Toshiro
Amarr PoliCratton Technologies Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:06:00 -
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I do not feel that EVE is dying a horrible death, nor is dying at all. I've been playing since 2006 and have seen it experience some growing pains, that's all. It stumbles once in a while as it learns new things, but in my little corner of New Eden everything runs fine.
I find the rage and bashing to be quite stale to be honest. They should just make a Forum for whining, so that the General Area can be used more constructively.
That's my 2isk.
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Taliya Valkorva
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 01:18:40
Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Honestly, the stress on the system has become fairly bad. Since I live in nullsec and am frequently in large fleets when RL doesn't interfere, I have noticed quite a few instances of loading issues, gate lag, fleet lag, black screens, and other various complaints that pilots have voiced.
I can't speak for the whole, but individually I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems. Hopefully our friends at CCP will discover the issue and the upcoming expansions will be better for content and quality of the game.
This is all I have personally noticed. Hopefully this provides useful perspective.
Fly safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
A well thought out and reasonable complaint on fleet lag. That's new.
I do often get notifications regarding the next mass test for fleet lag and node stability, and there have been some dev blogs explaining many of the issues CCP has fixed. Link
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5tarDust
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:26:00 -
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To Op, an the other person whos saying EVE doing fine
are you kidding/trolling?? or you guys CCP's Alt or some PR Company alt doing damage control.
I know alot of people in empire who sit in station without un-docking yelling at CCP for the f$%#UP
just look at yesterday issues , which happened many time before , API not pullling , Market is lagging, CONTRACTs MIA.
those are serious issues for market carebears who sits in JITA.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:30:00 -
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I'm reposting what I wrote in another similar thread.
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CCP Fanboys, non-it getters, et al; this isn't just about the minority FW/00-lag issues. IF and I can't make the point enough IF you play the game and use your head you can EASILY see numerous things 'wrong' with EVE poor design, broken items, missing features that IF they were there would make those things BETTER, which makes the game as a whole BETTER, how is that wrong? Why is wanting the game so many have invested their time and effort, in however you measure that; 00 ownership, billions of isk etc, to be better a bad thing? CCP left players with no choice but to take their issues to third parties to get CCP big wigs to take notice because as we've seen they either aren't getting it or have ignored the message.
Read the assembly forum, browse the CSM issues pages, read the presented proposals they take/took to CCP, most are very well laid out ideas, at least as good as one can do without knowing how everything works behind the scenes at CCP. Then tell me you like your broken aspects of the game, that nothing needs or should be fixed/rebalanced if that is your position then good for you. I say that makes you a player with their head in the sand or other location, because there are problems with EVE it CAN be better and that is what players are angry about. We see and have often heard from CCP about what they are going to do only to have them deliver butchered watered down content and e-promise to make it better.
I don't experience lag, unless I'm going into Jita, I don't 'care' about a lot of the issues people are wailing about 00/low sec. MIGHT I benefit if they got some attention, yes I would, many of those disenchanted players might bring back their alts, engage in more war and drive my business ventures up, it might change the game enough I'd try out some of the aspects of the game I don't. Maybe I wouldn't get burned out playing EVE because certain aspects of the game are broken or just suck.
For the record I'd like Incarna, so long as they fully develop it, I don't expect it to be done at first release but I want it to get done in a year or two and be done because everything was completed not because they didn't want to spend anymore time or money developing it further when they can add more stuff, which is basically what they are doing with EVE.
I don't care about DUST, another FPS still not interested, link it to EVE and we'll have to see how that works but I don't imagine caring about having to deal with console players to maintain protection/ownership of a PI facility, planet, or system if it is tied to sovereignty. I also don't see it being a big enough draw to keep enough console players playing it, especially if they have to pay to play, how is whatever it gets tied to in EVE going to work when there are only a few hundred or dozen of them and they are needed in the thousands or whatever?
If there is/were to be a FPS aspect to EVE it should be in EVE not external to it through some other product, IMO anyway.
No one really wants to see CCP fail, they want CCP to do better because they know it can be done and angry that it isn't, that instead the choice between making the EVE world a bigger more in depth place that works well, they are choosing to just make it bigger by tacking stuff on. The decision is to chase new revenue streams over taking care of those who built you up and maintain your company, there is nothing wrong with a company growing but to do so at the detriment of their flagship product while ignoring their loyal customers concerns is asinine.
TLDR: Go get more pie fatty.
Long term if CCP keeps up the 'path' they seem to be on then yes Eve is going downhill and will die in time. ------------------------------------------------------- 5 minute forum time delay is a crime against humanity. |
Taliya Valkorva
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:31:00 -
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I'm not an alt and have no affiliation with CCP, aside for the fact that I pay for a service of theirs.
Every game has a hiccup every now and then, that's no indication the game is crippled or broken. It's working just fine today, it was working just fine last week, it was working fine 6 months ago.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46 Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
Welcome to the Eve forums. If I knew you were coming I would have cleaned up .
But seriously, this is how it is. It's a cyclical thing. The disgruntled go through some PMS phase every 3 months or so.
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SheIsNoLie
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems.
yeah man absolutely GLORIOUS when local is lagging with 30 pilots in system telling us 10 reds are there...
and we ask each other 'is their a fleet battle going on?' - 'nope mate you just logged into a busted node'
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5tarDust
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva I'm not an alt and have no affiliation with CCP, aside for the fact that I pay for a service of theirs.
Every game has a hiccup every now and then, that's no indication the game is crippled or broken. It's working just fine today, it was working just fine last week, it was working fine 6 months ago.
So please tell us what you actualy do in this game ? clearly you not 00 nor lowsec (since lowsec 10vs10 already looking at lags and bad grids during fights) your also not empire carebear who do manufacture/trading
how you can claim if the game working fine ? LOL im calling this thread a troll
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Isgod
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Posted - 2010.08.08 02:23:00 -
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well ive only played a couple of weeks (eve that is) and havent been involved in any 10v10 (yet) and the game runs fine where i am...
...but where i am theres not 20+ collidable objects fighting for RAM.
like any game the only thing that will resolve the problems listed in this thread is hardware,and hardware is expensive (good hardware anyways).
now saying the hardware is expensive means purchasing the actual device(s),paying for the techs to install and debug it and listen to all the whining during the downtime.
this isnt to say anything other than maybe this is why the problem hasnt been directly addressed yet.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.08 04:43:00 -
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Troll... or stupid
Just because you do not understand how the eve market works, or play in 0.0... does not mean the game is fine. Hell a thread is somewhere around about a care bear bítching a fight took place near his little mission and he lost his CNR due to the lag. Really 0.0 guys need to start to fight in HS and make these carebears understand the death lag going around.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 05:51:00 -
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This thread is like a round of counter strike.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ocih on 08/08/2010 06:13:03
Originally by: veltorse Edited by: veltorse on 08/08/2010 01:05:32 only problem i have experienced are the people who complain about EVE and what CCP is doing with there time they really need to play WoW for a while before they complain
and system lag in 0.0 when doing 150+fleet fights down in providence really want to experience one without both sides calling it off
also its unfair that my corp mates get more true sansha spawns and plexes than me
other than that games been fine
Every ship I lost in large battles was lagg death, I never saw the explosion.
I'm with you on the commander thing too. If there is a rhyme or reason to them, I dont know it. I know one guy who has 38 faction towers. Yes, 38. Me? I got a passive TS Kinetic thing once. I've killed dozens, maybe hundreds of TS, Shadow, Dominations. Junk, junk, junk. It's not the end of the world. It is a downer. Maybe they kill thousands and dont talk about that part. I dont know.
Overall topic point. The nerfs are incremental. The way things were 5 years ago to now is noticeable. The lagg situation is more like a toothache. It gets to you after a while.
The general atmosphere of the forums? I blame trolls. I used to come here with an open mind, a constructive attitude. Good intentions. Then you get hauled in to a flame war with some one line wonder troll and you go back to being a hatefull, epeen throwing, ass hole like most end up in any forum. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: 5tarDust
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva I'm not an alt and have no affiliation with CCP, aside for the fact that I pay for a service of theirs.
Every game has a hiccup every now and then, that's no indication the game is crippled or broken. It's working just fine today, it was working just fine last week, it was working fine 6 months ago.
So please tell us what you actualy do in this game ? clearly you not 00 nor lowsec (since lowsec 10vs10 already looking at lags and bad grids during fights) your also not empire carebear who do manufacture/trading
how you can claim if the game working fine ? LOL im calling this thread a troll
Funny that. I currently hang my hat in Providence (you know, that region where most of the combat in EVE seems to be currently located) and we just had a nice 80 man dust up with no noticeable lag.
That being said, sometimes you will find yourself in a system on the same node as a large battle and start feeling the game start to suffer. This is not good and definitely needs improvement. Which, of course, would explain why CCP has devoted significant resources to mass testing and coding solutions over the last several months... and is continuing to do so.
Other than lag, like any other computer game sometimes the odd bug will pop up (particularly noticeable on our unique single shard environment). As always, it gets dealt with as quickly and fairly as possible.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: 5tarDust
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva I'm not an alt and have no affiliation with CCP, aside for the fact that I pay for a service of theirs.
Every game has a hiccup every now and then, that's no indication the game is crippled or broken. It's working just fine today, it was working just fine last week, it was working fine 6 months ago.
So please tell us what you actualy do in this game ? clearly you not 00 nor lowsec (since lowsec 10vs10 already looking at lags and bad grids during fights) your also not empire carebear who do manufacture/trading
how you can claim if the game working fine ? LOL im calling this thread a troll
Funny that. I currently hang my hat in Providence (you know, that region where most of the combat in EVE seems to be currently located) and we just had a nice 80 man dust up with no noticeable lag.
That being said, sometimes you will find yourself in a system on the same node as a large battle and start feeling the game start to suffer. This is not good and definitely needs improvement. Which, of course, would explain why CCP has devoted significant resources to mass testing and coding solutions over the last several months... and is continuing to do so.
Other than lag, like any other computer game sometimes the odd bug will pop up (particularly noticeable on our unique single shard environment). As always, it gets dealt with as quickly and fairly as possible.
You are so full of crap i dont know how you can lift your hands to type your bullcrap, this game has horrid lag 5v5 you even get lag so dont talk as if you live in 0.0 because apparently you dont.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:15:00 -
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Quote: Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
We can also station spin fine.
Quote: Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
Your confused. Stop playing on singularity( test) and log into TQ
1) Its not really suppose to take 60 seconds to undock 2) Modules are not suppose to cycle 1/2 a cycle after you turn them off before they actually shut off. 3) My drone bay door is big enough to let more than one light drone out every 5 seconds. I am not jettisoning them in cans. 4) Jumpgates often have 5 seconds of lag or better. 5) Jump bridge usage is turn based. Sometimes i am stuck in limbo for 30 seconds or more. 6) PVP has been reinvented the first gang in system wins by default as the second gang must wait till after they are dead and in clones for grids to load. 7) SBUs are broken and the GM wont even let us shoot them, but we do anyway cause they wont fix them. 8) Sov. game mechanics are full of bugs. 9) 1500 man fleet fights use to be possible. Now 150 man fleet fights are 10 minutes to reload instead of 10 seconds. 10) I get eve cluster queue 30-50% of time i log on in a region that averages 40-200 people. Yeah i said region. and thats with less than 30k people online and not anywhere remotely close to a server restart. 11) I could keep going but whats the point?
Quote: How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Well considering many people i know went from playing eve a few hours a day to logging in to change training and going to play various other MMOs. Considering before i took a 7 month break, you would get 45k people plus at peak on the weekend normally and in the 2-3 weeks i have been back i have never seen it go above 38k and only seen it hit that level once. Most is between 25-35k which is where it was 2 years ago when i started playing.
Quote: Harden the **** up.
I pay for this product. In fact i put enough money into this game to buy at least two dozen brand new A-list games and that doesnt include GTCs that were sold as plexes. I expect a high quality product. Instead CCP is using my money as capital to fund a game that i have no interest in and will never play, instead of fixing the one i pay for so i can stop station spinning so how about you QFT now?
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Aessoroz on 08/08/2010 07:23:19 Edited by: Aessoroz on 08/08/2010 07:22:48
Quote: 6) PVP has been reinvented the first gang in system wins by default as the second gang must wait till after they are dead and in clones for grids to load.
Holy crap man you won't believe this but today the assaulting gang in a 900 man fleet battle actually...won....the grid still took about an hour to load but...the second gang..won...
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Defecanda
The First Order Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:12:00 -
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Guys Guys. It's an Iceland company. All the employees that live on the rock don't have time to script and dev because they are waiting in line for soup at the poor house right now. The employees in the rest of Europe are all distracted cuz they know they will be doing the same in a few months. Bottom line; they all know the glamour days of sitting on their fat asses and adding "creative" value to pew pew internet spaceships is over. It's a shame
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Jack Airron
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 08/08/2010 08:15:14
Originally by: Defecanda Guys Guys. It's an Iceland company. All the employees that live on the rock don't have time to script and dev because they are waiting in line for soup at the poor house right now. The employees in the rest of Europe are all distracted cuz they know they will be doing the same in a few months. Bottom line; they all know the glamour days of sitting on their fat asses and adding "creative" value to pew pew internet spaceships is over. It's a shame
I think personal insults about people starving is tasteless and taking it a bit to far perhaps you should stop posting.
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Honestly, the stress on the system has become fairly bad. Since I live in nullsec and am frequently in large fleets when RL doesn't interfere, I have noticed quite a few instances of loading issues, gate lag, fleet lag, black screens, and other various complaints that pilots have voiced.
I can't speak for the whole, but individually I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems. Hopefully our friends at CCP will discover the issue and the upcoming expansions will be better for content and quality of the game.
This is all I have personally noticed. Hopefully this provides useful perspective.
Fly safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
t3 = no lag _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:23:00 -
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Fleet fights in EVE are currently laggy. Thats pretty much it.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 08/08/2010 08:15:14
Originally by: Defecanda Guys Guys. It's an Iceland company. All the employees that live on the rock don't have time to script and dev because they are waiting in line for soup at the poor house right now. The employees in the rest of Europe are all distracted cuz they know they will be doing the same in a few months. Bottom line; they all know the glamour days of sitting on their fat asses and adding "creative" value to pew pew internet spaceships is over. It's a shame
I think personal insults about people starving is tasteless and taking it a bit to far perhaps you should stop posting.
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
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Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:37:00 -
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I've had plenty of lag in mission. But since there's no urgency it doesn't make a huge difference. Like someone said already an extra half or even a whole cycle is not working fine.
And what's a miner going to say about lag? 3-5 second module lag is nothing compared to a 3 minute cycle time. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 08/08/2010 08:39:38
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46 Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
What's the issue? Come live in 0.0 and see for yourself.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:59:00 -
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Lag has certainly gotten worse since Dominion. I've noticed it quite a bit.
We have to face the reality that EVE is getting to be an older game. Each new expansion adds another layer to the coding. There may not be an economically viable way to fix some problems as a result.
I'm not sure what Dominion did to the server side communications but certainly there are some problems now, however to fix them could require a full rewrite of major portions of the code, or it might be as simple as fixing a line the debugging program missed and no one's caught exactly which line it is yet, and we're talking probably millions of lines of code.
What you are seeing on the forums is unfortunately societal, we all expect everything now. It is what western society teaches unfortunately. We do not learn patience oftentimes and when we don't get things in RL we tend to throw tantrums until our parents give in. Problem is this isn't as simple as mom/dad buying the latest thing in the store. There is no easy button to fix it.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.08 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Lag has certainly gotten worse since Dominion. I've noticed it quite a bit.
We have to face the reality that EVE is getting to be an older game. Each new expansion adds another layer to the coding. There may not be an economically viable way to fix some problems as a result.
I'm not sure what Dominion did to the server side communications but certainly there are some problems now, however to fix them could require a full rewrite of major portions of the code, or it might be as simple as fixing a line the debugging program missed and no one's caught exactly which line it is yet, and we're talking probably millions of lines of code.
What you are seeing on the forums is unfortunately societal, we all expect everything now. It is what western society teaches unfortunately. We do not learn patience oftentimes and when we don't get things in RL we tend to throw tantrums until our parents give in. Problem is this isn't as simple as mom/dad buying the latest thing in the store. There is no easy button to fix it.
your mams an older game?
but honestly, the only western culture that teaches kids to be little whiny *****es are the parents fault and not the society _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.08.08 10:12:00 -
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The problem is how CCP are addressing the situation
Imagine this situation, you have a house with broken windows ideally you would fix them but CCP would prefer to invest in buying a pool then some cars then 18 months later fix one window. --
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46 Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
Well, part of the problem is that lag is being experienced in systems with almost no players in them. This is mostly a 0.0 phenomenon, but occasionally happens in FW losec as well. The cause seems to be when a system on a server node is sharing that node with another very busy system, but only CCP really knows.
That is the main cause of anger towards CCP, however, CCP's (lack of) response to the issue has brought other long standing issues to the fore (the UI, PI, FW, unfinished expansions, Sov, imbalances and many bugs) and it seems as if many people are just tired of these things and the latest CSM disaster, where CCP more or less outright informed the players that they don't have the resources to look at any of these issues for the next 18 months until Incarna and Dust are out the door brought all of this to a head.
The result has been that many people (mostly nullsec players, but I've also seen FW numbers drop a lot as players go off to play World of Tanks) don't see the value of waiting that long and have been quitting in numbers.
These issues may or may not affect you, but telling people to HTFU won't help, because it's a game and if they can't play it or don't want to play it because they're tired of whatever issue, then they'll leave.
Will Eve die? Probably not, or at least not for a while, but a major part of the game, the nullsec part, is badly broken. How much of an influence that will have in the long term I don't know, but I seriously doubt that CCP will be able to maintain the player numbers without it. The hisec part of eve is generally boring and repetitive, and Incarna won't really change that in the long term.
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:27:00 -
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Throw the OP down the well.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ....
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I don't mean to troll, but that is from 2008. In October 2008, the three biggest Icelandic banks defaulted and drove Iceland into extreme debt, debt that they still cannot or will not pay (the Icelandic people are extremely unhappy at the way they were treated by the UK after the default and do not see the debt as their fault). The Icelandic economy went from the top of European economies to the bottom and the Icelandic ISK lost 2/3rds of its value.
CCP is mostly insulated from this as most of their income is in foreign currencies, but it does have the effect that it makes it hard for them to get top ranking employees from foreign countries, and the Icelandic talent pool is very small (tiny population of some 310000 people). Most of the job listings on their site have been unfilled for years.
Also, CCP is on a very ambitious plan to develop 3 major games; Eve, World of Darkness (Incarna is supposed to be the beta for that game) and Dust 514. Since they didn't publish any financials for 2009, one can assume they weren't as rosy as the 2008 financials. This means that most likely, they are stuck with limited resources to do all of this, and the result is almost surely going to be a drop in quality.
CCP have basically stated that they want more features as these increase new player subscriptions, but they seem to be doing this at the cost of being unable to retain older players.
Where this goes in future, we'll see.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Isgod well ive only played a couple of weeks (eve that is) and havent been involved in any 10v10 (yet) and the game runs fine where i am...
...but where i am theres not 20+ collidable objects fighting for RAM.
like any game the only thing that will resolve the problems listed in this thread is hardware,and hardware is expensive (good hardware anyways).
now saying the hardware is expensive means purchasing the actual device(s),paying for the techs to install and debug it and listen to all the whining during the downtime.
this isnt to say anything other than maybe this is why the problem hasnt been directly addressed yet.
Did ccp throw out the servers that were running 1000 man fights a year ago? Hardware is clearly not the issue,or if it is its because ccp made bad decisions.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:27:00 -
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The OP is almost right.
I have alts in O.O and i live in empire. 0.0 has troubles during big fleet fights, guaranteed, but I have been doing small gangs roams just fine, despite sometimes jumping through systems and loading grid is somewhat slow. Lag has to be addressed but has not made the game unplayable to me.
My main - the one i am using for posting now - lives in empire and runs PI, industry, mining and missioning just fine. The only issue i'd love to see improved performance-wise is the jump lag when passing through lonetrek/the forge and most notably Jita.
The game *is not* broken according to me. But I admit that those who like big fleet fights are being let down.
Said that, those who run through the forums throwing hate and blame here and there, should really give up on the game and leave. And no, I do not care about their stuff as long as they get lost.
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Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
they've done that, it just didn't include the cause of the lag problem itself because they haven't found it yet.
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Giovanni DalleBandeNere
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:09:00 -
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well maybe the issue here is that is not healty to watch a space zombie try to board your POD for 15 minutes..xpecially if that zombies is you ^_^ oh my i really look that bad?
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 08/08/2010 08:15:14
Originally by: Defecanda Guys Guys. It's an Iceland company. All the employees that live on the rock don't have time to script and dev because they are waiting in line for soup at the poor house right now. The employees in the rest of Europe are all distracted cuz they know they will be doing the same in a few months. Bottom line; they all know the glamour days of sitting on their fat asses and adding "creative" value to pew pew internet spaceships is over. It's a shame
I think personal insults about people starving is tasteless and taking it a bit to far perhaps you should stop posting.
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I'm not really sure where you were going with this, but generally profit wouldn't include salaries, which would have already been removed as a cost. 5m is what was leftover after all bills, equipment, and personnel were paid. ______________________________
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ....
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I don't mean to troll, but that is from 2008. In October 2008, the three biggest Icelandic banks defaulted and drove Iceland into extreme debt, debt that they still cannot or will not pay (the Icelandic people are extremely unhappy at the way they were treated by the UK after the default and do not see the debt as their fault). The Icelandic economy went from the top of European economies to the bottom and the Icelandic ISK lost 2/3rds of its value.
CCP is mostly insulated from this as most of their income is in foreign currencies, but it does have the effect that it makes it hard for them to get top ranking employees from foreign countries, and the Icelandic talent pool is very small (tiny population of some 310000 people). Most of the job listings on their site have been unfilled for years.
Also, CCP is on a very ambitious plan to develop 3 major games; Eve, World of Darkness (Incarna is supposed to be the beta for that game) and Dust 514. Since they didn't publish any financials for 2009, one can assume they weren't as rosy as the 2008 financials. This means that most likely, they are stuck with limited resources to do all of this, and the result is almost surely going to be a drop in quality.
CCP have basically stated that they want more features as these increase new player subscriptions, but they seem to be doing this at the cost of being unable to retain older players.
Where this goes in future, we'll see.
People put to much emphasis on where CCP is HQed.99% of their income is from outside of iceland. More than likely they use a bank that has international branches such as Barclays. I got the financial off wiki, the 2009 report may not be available yet or posted. Its not something that is "hidden" it is public record.
When i started in mid 2008 average players online was in the low 30k. When i quit for a few months the end of 2009 the average was around 40-45k So i would say their was good increase. Incidently,since i have came back i have not seen players online go over 38k. I would say thats a noticable increase with just as noticable decrease this year.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/08/2010 18:13:19
Most of the moaners are just jumping on the bandwagon and see the problems as an opportunity to get some Efame. Their posts are badly thought out rants and they do a lot more damage than good as they simply force CCP to be less open about their game. I simply do not trust the opinion or judgement of people like that.
I've had no problems playing EVE at all, except for the usual irritations I find with the game. There are issues though with lag in some areas which particularly affects those who like fleet fights.
I'd pay attention to well thought out and considered posts such as the one earlier by Proclus Diadochu.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 08/08/2010 18:13:19
Most of the moaners are just jumping on the bandwagon and see the problems as an opportunity to get some Efame. Their posts are badly thought out rants and they do a lot more damage than good as they simply force CCP to be less open about their game. I simply do not trust the opinion or judgement of people like that.
I've had no problems playing EVE at all, except for the usual irritations I find with the game. There are issues though with lag in some areas which particularly affects those who like fleet fights.
I'd pay attention to well thought out and considered posts such as the one earlier by Proclus Diadochu.
I agree, we do not need more whining, we instead need playing the game, identifying eventual problems, reporting them.
Also, partecipating to mass tests on SISI is a thing that should be done by anyone intrested in lending an hand.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:36:00 -
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We probably all have our individual wishlists of what we would like to see improved.
My biggest personal frustration is that I see a lot of unused potential in the core game of Eve. It's an amazing framework with a lot of blanks that needs to be filled in. Then when CCP refuses to fill in the blanks, but prefer to make more framework it feels a bit frustrating.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 18:51:38
Originally by: Sarina Berghil We probably all have our individual wishlists of what we would like to see improved.
My biggest personal frustration is that I see a lot of unused potential in the core game of Eve. It's an amazing framework with a lot of blanks that needs to be filled in. Then when CCP refuses to fill in the blanks, but prefer to make more framework it feels a bit frustrating.
Sarina, what you say is true.
The blank spots however are represented by actual game features that need *a good amount* of improvement and also new features that can add to player experience.
I believe that balancing the amount of work that need to go in both directions is difficult.
As of now, I'd love to see some technical issues resolved, I'd love to see current game features improved (factional warfare is just an example) and I'd love to see new features added too.
I do not feel the game is broken, but I'd rather like to see small and decisive improvements on several fronts.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:58:00 -
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FW is certainly an element that could flourish if given some attention.
I agree that it is a tough tradeoff. Also I think most of us would also like to see new flashy features once in a while. If we were presented with a bug fix expansion without a single new feature, that would probably feel boring.
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Silence Duegood on 08/08/2010 20:46:52
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Whining
Whining about whining. Who needs to harden the *** up?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 08/08/2010 21:34:24
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 01:18:40
Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Honestly, the stress on the system has become fairly bad. Since I live in nullsec and am frequently in large fleets when RL doesn't interfere, I have noticed quite a few instances of loading issues, gate lag, fleet lag, black screens, and other various complaints that pilots have voiced.
I can't speak for the whole, but individually I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems. Hopefully our friends at CCP will discover the issue and the upcoming expansions will be better for content and quality of the game.
This is all I have personally noticed. Hopefully this provides useful perspective.
Fly safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
A well thought out and reasonable complaint on fleet lag. That's new.
I do often get notifications regarding the next mass test for fleet lag and node stability, and there have been some dev blogs explaining many of the issues CCP has fixed. Link
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 21:40:16
Originally by: Ghoest
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
This is exactly what the game and the community does not need: more hate.
Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes. Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather. Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes. Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
Please, be so kind not to be harsh. If you have constructive criticism, however, you are welcome.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:52:00 -
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Quote: Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes.
Lag issues are due to game coding NOT large fleet fights. Large fleet fights, if we could have such a thing in non reinforced systems, only amplify the underlying problem.
Quote: Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather.
Certainly are in at least majority of the nodes, save the ones in reinforced. Perhaps you think its proper for drones to launch 1.....at...... a....... time.... or for module cycles to be 1 and........... a 1/2 cycles. Not working as intended though thats in regions with thousands in them ( hi sec) and regions with less than 100 ( the region i am in most of the time)
Quote: Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes.
No because: A) they simply dont care B) they dont pay attention C) they write it off as graphic, pc or connection lag d)They dont know how the game is suppose to function( how it use too some time ago)
Quote: Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
See above answer.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 21:40:16
Originally by: Ghoest
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
This is exactly what the game and the community does not need: more hate.
Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes. Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather. Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes. Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
Please, be so kind not to be harsh. If you have constructive criticism, however, you are welcome.
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations.
And who really cares about youre welcome?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations. And who really cares about your "welcome?"
Dear Ghoest, I am quite informed and aware of the problems. I do 0.0 fights (my alts do) and i do empire production, and I have been experiencing very few problems. When i participated to C-J battle, becouse I was there mind you, that was a laggy situation.
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Whether you like or not the truth and my welcome it is your problem. My invitation is still there and it is not addressed specifically to you.
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
See above answer.
Thorian, people who do not care about the lag *are not* noob. They don't care or do not know or do not play the game the way you do. Your attitude too brings hate to the forums, and is not constructive at all. The invitation to be constructive is extended to you too.
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Slick O'Hara
The Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:09:00 -
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They whine because they whine, oddly enough the people that ***** endlessly about how the game is too laggy etc are never on sisi during the mass tests, they find helping CCP fix these problems takes precious time away from them which should be spent on more whining ;3
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 08/08/2010 22:24:00
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Ghoest
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations. And who really cares about your "welcome?"
Dear Ghoest, I am quite informed and aware of the problems. I do 0.0 fights (my alts do) and i do empire production, and I have been experiencing very few problems. When i participated to C-J battle, becouse I was there mind you, that was a laggy situation.
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Whether you like or not the truth and my welcome it is your problem. My invitation is still there and it is not addressed specifically to you.
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
See above answer.
Learn to read twit. I didnt say you were uninformed. Its the idiot you asked me to not insult who is uninformed. Youre just a pansy.
Additionally the lag in 0.0 is not a matter of someone "agree"ing with me. Its a matter of fact. A fact that the OP should have been aware of before posting.
So go cry somewhere else hippy and learn to read before you start telling me what to do.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Who opened the cabinet where I locked the fracking Ph.D.'s in psychiatry ? People that do not agree that LAG is quite bad at times, are uninformed, which makes them n00bs. Look up the term
Quote: Thorian, people who do not care about the lag *are not* noob. They don't care or do not know or do not play the game the way you do. Your attitude too brings hate to the forums, and is not constructive at all. The invitation to be constructive is extended to you too.
See previous answer. Now please, go sit on a flag pole and wiggle down.
If you want to spread your love, address the OMFG RAGE CCP SUXORZ posts, not the ones that try to explain something or are fed up with the 'Hey, I'm new, BUT I have all your answers tight here' types of people, that ignore the fact that there are zillions of threadnaughts out there, describing the problems IN DETAIL. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 22:34:54
Originally by: Ressiv
Who opened the cabinet where I locked the fracking Ph.D.'s in psychiatry ? People that do not agree that LAG is quite bad at times, are uninformed, which makes them n00bs.
See previous answer. Now please, go sit on a flag pole and wiggle down.
If you want to spread your love, address the OMFG RAGE CCP SUXORZ posts, not the ones that try to explain something or are fed up with the 'Hey, I'm new, BUT I have all your answers tight here' types of people, that ignore the fact that there are zillions of threadnaughts out there, describing the problems IN DETAIL.
@ressiv:
If you read my posts in this thread you will notice I said that i experienced Lag and that I agree with reports stating that lag is *at times* unbearable.
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs. If you are so angry about lag and about people who want to go over it and try to play, why are you still playing the game?
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 22:46:42
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs.
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
Quote: If you are so angry about lag
I'm not, at all. But it IS a huge problem atm.
Quote: and about people who want to go over it and try to play
Like myself ?
Quote: , why are you still playing the game?
Cuz even tho LAG makes it unplayable at times, it's still the best MMO out there, and I like it ?
I'm not on the FIX LAG OR DIE bandwagon, but it's kinda annoying to get people comming here with 0 computer knowledge, 0 in-game knowledge and all the answers.
Quote:
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
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Taphal
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Originally by: Ressiv
Quote:
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
..eh ?
Hijacking: Taking over a thread on a message board by taking a part of the original posted topic, twisting it around and "hijacking" the thread itself.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Taphal
Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Source ? I used urban dictionary.
Quote:
Hijacking: Taking over a thread on a message board by taking a part of the original posted topic, twisting it around and "hijacking" the thread itself.
No **** ... I didnt hijack it tho ... altho I might be atm, together with you. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Taphal
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Taphal
Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Source ? I used urban dictionary.
This is just how people use it. If you want to insult someone, you'd always choose "noob" over "newbie". It's a connotation, not a denotation, which might explain why it doesn't show up in urban dictionary.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
@ressiv:
If you read my posts in this thread you will notice I said that i experienced Lag and that I agree with reports stating that lag is *at times* unbearable.
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs. If you are so angry about lag and about people who want to go over it and try to play, why are you still playing the game?
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.[/quote
You highjacked the thread love child.
And to address your posts in a larger sense.
If you are going to play the passive aggressive card you have to maintain intellectual honesty which as both ressiv and I demonstrated you didnt do. What you did just sounds like a pot head arguing out his butt.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:20:00 -
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@ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro @ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
I'm confused. Who's the good guy in this fight?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 09/08/2010 04:05:17
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro @ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
I'm confused. Who's the good guy in this fight?
Well you have the honest a--holes on my side and you have the pleasant prevaricator on his side. "Good" is a relative judgment so Ill let that to you.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:19:00 -
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Every day I get into my crappy assed purple smoke spewing used volkswagen, and other people tell me it's not a good car and I'm paying too much to maintain it. But I get into it and it drives just fine. I don't understand why other people say it's not great.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 00:35:46 Every day I come to these forums and see countless threads about how useless Incarna and Dust is, how broken and horrible Eve is.... and then I log on and play the game just fine.
Missions have been running fine, PVP's been going well, and the miners I know are content; yet hundreds of people constantly bash CCP, rage on about CCP's 18 month development schedule, rage about fleet lag, and threaten to quit.
How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
Harden the **** up.
*points to sig*
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.09 10:58:00 -
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It is understood that the largest portion of the player-base lives in Empire and seem to be saying they have relatively little to no issues with the "lag monster" and the fewer low and nullsec pilots are voicing their realistic concern for the welfare of our game.
The issue that was pointed out by Thorian about the reinforcement of the node is a legitimate note that CCP has surely investigated, and now the problem is the lack of communication with the player-base. I have read the development blogs, assisted in Singularity and supported CCP in every way a player can support.
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
Fly Safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:12:00 -
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Quote: Harden the **** up.
Straight up 100% agree. The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Its starting to sound like an election race where the liberal candidate loses.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:25:00 -
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Instead of re-typing my last response to a person who thinks "the game is working fine", here is a copy of my last post:
I bought this new car, the engine might be broken (0.0) and the back seats are smeared with something pretty smelly (lowsec) but as long as I leave it parked in my garage (highsec) and only polish it once every few days instead of actually driving it (PVP) everything works great with it.
Best car I've ever owned!
Just because your idea of a large fleet is when you log on your salvaging alt to clean up your level 4 missions doesn't mean that all of our gameplay is so limited. We want to play EVE as it is intended by CCP and as it is being sold and advertised. That mainly involves large fleet battles. (Just watch the last few EVE trailers if you don't believe me - do they ever advertise their boring crap missions? Or boring crap mining? Or boring crap industry? Or do they present large fleet engagements as one of the key points of this game?)
And if your next argument is "then don't fly in large fleets" then my response is: before the change to Sov mechanics I voiced my concern that CCP was implementing as system that would give the side with the most numbers the advantage. My suggestion was to split up the Sov-structures (or at least the SBUs) over multiple systems so simply stuffing your 2000 people into a single system won't help take/hold Sov. Sadly CCP found it a better idea to make blobbing the only way to take or hold Sov.
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Chalmecatecuchtlz
NOMADIC MISFITS
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Says the tool posting with an alt. nice story bro...
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
^this
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
And when CCP stops advertising EVE with 500vs500 battles and starts advertising their "wonderful PVE content" instead then I'll stop whining, accept that CCP broke EVE and quit. But I won't let them get away with downplaying the concerns of the group of customers that are solely responsible for this game becoming what it is today. And those are not the moronic carebears that are content running the same boring missions (personally I think you'd have to be brain damaged to stand running missions for more then a few hours - or simply have dismal taste and no idea what a decent PVE game looks like) it's the PVPers and mainly 0.0-PVPers that brought the game to where it is today.
So I feel like I've put up with CCPs technical ineptitude for the last 5 years, always believing in their vision for the game and recruiting new players only to now be betrayed by some marketing a-hole at CCP who thinks he can milk his loyal customers for maximum cash before they finally get sick of it and quit. Then implement some half-arsed features to attract new customers to replace the old loyal ones.
The last time a games company did that was during the CU/NGE patches of SWG. And we all know how well that worked.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chalmecatecuchtlz
Originally by: Jovialmadness The player base is simply turning into a bunch of pussies.
Says the tool posting with an alt. nice story bro...
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu
Communication with the customer needs to become a priority for our Icelandic friends. Locking our threads, ignoring CSM suggestions, disregarding technical input/feedback from computer savvy players via petition and other resources is irritating. Of course some of the player-base is frustrated, because frankly we love this game and don't want to lose this daily distraction due to "quantity over quality" marketing and profit focused corporate behavior.
EvE is the best MMO out there, but if CCP doesn't return to focusing on us, the player, and the game that made us love them enough to stay with them for years, then eventually another game will rise up and replace them. I just hope they realize we are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
^this
-Chalm, G4MER
Annnd so enters my point...,
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu It is understood that the largest portion of the player-base lives in Empire and seem to be saying they have relatively little to no issues with the "lag monster" and the fewer low and nullsec pilots are voicing their realistic concern for the welfare of our game.
Don't drag low sec into your little spin game mate. Granted we do get a bit of lag there now and then but its not the game crushing lag the blobby fleet fight players suffer. Unless these low sec players you are talking about are actually some nullsec corp trying to hotdrop a blob on something in low sec. Same rules apply there too for massive blobs.
Originally by: Proclus Diadochu I just hope they realize we(the fleet fight guys) are the heartbeat of this game, and we want the game back.
No you are not. Fleet fights have been borked for nearly a year and yet nullsec is filled new territory holding alliances with happy players running pi or exploring or mining or ratting or running anomolies or getting some small to medium gang pew pew in or any of the thousand other things that actually make up the content of nullsec. They are the ones contributing the most to the economy and are the real heartbeat of the game. I have also yet to see any threadnaught from them complaining about the state of nullsec so things must be pretty peachy there for them. Oh wait I'm sorry. I forgot if you try to form a blob nowadays it kills everyones fun even if they are not in your blob. So it sounds more like fleet fights are a heart attack instead judging by how they kill off other peoples legitimate fun.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.09 18:21:00 -
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end of beta(2003): "this game is broken and will never succeed" 8 successful years later: "this game is broken and will never succeed"
moral: Haters will hate when its convienent for them
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taliya Valkorva How many of you actually believe Eve is going downhill and is about to die a horrible horrible death (and why), and how many are just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going to nowhere?
i'm just jumping on yet another useless bandwagon going nowhere, tbh.
although i would love a UI overhaul. that's one thing i can honestly say sucks.
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Arkanor
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:57:00 -
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I've been in some fights around the 20v20-50v50 size and haven't seen really much lag. Modules seem to activate fine, grid doesn't appear to take significantly longer to load than normal, once you're actually removed from the previous system that is.
Jumping however, seems to be a bit bothersome, especially when multiple people are doing it, it can take upwards of 20 seconds to activate a jump (and get out of limbo) and that's annoying.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor I've been in some fights around the 20v20-50v50 size and haven't seen really much lag. Modules seem to activate fine, grid doesn't appear to take significantly longer to load than normal, once you're actually removed from the previous system that is.
Jumping however, seems to be a bit bothersome, especially when multiple people are doing it, it can take upwards of 20 seconds to activate a jump (and get out of limbo) and that's annoying.
Yeah. The times that lag does rear its ugly head on low sec roams seems to be on the jump in. But once in it runs just fine like you stated.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:15:00 -
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Telling paying customers to HTFU in the face of game crashing or 1 minute delay lag is ret arded.
Yes you people have extremely low intelligence.
Ive played this game a very long time. It used to have terrible lag - then CCP fixed the lag(mostly.) It was a good thing.
Then CCP patched the lag back into the game. That was a very bad thing.
If you cant handle me pointing it out maybe you dont understand forums - or more likely youre just ret arded.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Ive played this game a very long time. It used to have terrible lag doing pretty much anything - then CCP fixed the lag(mostly.) It was a good thing.
Then CCP patched fleet fight lag back into the game. That was a very bad thing.
Fixed.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.10 03:48:00 -
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What I said wasnt incorrect and your "fix" was already implied obviously.
It goes back to only clueless noobs dont know that - in this case they would ahve to be so lazy that they didnt even bother to read this thread.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 10/08/2010 05:36:09
Originally by: Zeba Stuff
Do you actually leave the dock? or just not pay attention?I run through hi sec low sec and 0.0.Hi sec and low sec are the least laggy but not because epic fleet fights are taking place every second in every region in 0.0. hi sec and low sec are on better servers. They are designed to handle a larger server load continuously. Yes their is still lag in both hi sec and low sec. Docking and undocking takes longer than it should. Modules will make nearly a complete cycle sometimes when they shut off. Is it all the time? No. Is it worse than it was a year ago? definately. But i didnt have a year to get use to it either as i been gone for many months.
0.0 Is not about epic fleet fights 24/7. If you think thats what goes on in 0.0 constantly then you need to visit it a bit more.I still get lag in a region that has 40 plus systems and not even 100 people for the entire region. No fleet fights, no major fleet movements. Not even major ratting/mining/carebearing going on. Most are docked and probably afk. Still get lag.
Who do you think all those carebear alts belong to in high sec? How do you think we fund pvp down here in 0.0? You think( most) of us go out on our pvp character and mine/rat/mission? Alts are very common. Most people in high sec are tied to 0.0. All the carebears you see in this game are not just hardcore never been out of high sec carebears. a very large portion interact with 0.0 either on the toons you see or alts.
If carebearing was so popular in this game. If it was the big lure for Eve dont you think CCP would be marketing that if thats what draws the most players? Dont you think they would make more high sec? instead of more 0.0? You know they have guys that sit in offices all day long and crunch those kind of numbers. What do we want to market in Eve? missions! Mining! No. They market 0.0 pvp. 0.0 pvp is the money maker. because 0.0 pvpers invest a lot of money into this game. We run around on a bunch of alts, some to fly caps some to carebear, some to pvp and some just cause we can. Ultimately we are here to pvp. and we fuel that desire with alt accounts to do specific tasks, and with selling plexs( for those that are lazy). WE are the ones that invest a majority of money in this game. Not the mission runners or the high sec miners or the indy toons.
0.0 is broken. Not just fleet fights. Its amplified by fleet fights but it is broken even when it is empty and the only thing warping around are rats. If all the 0.0 pvpers left this game tomorrow with all their alt accounts, CCP would crash and they know it.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 10/08/2010 05:36:09
Originally by: Zeba Stuff
Do you actually leave the dock? or just not pay attention?I run through hi sec low sec and 0.0.Hi sec and low sec are the least laggy but not because epic fleet fights are taking place every second in every region in 0.0. hi sec and low sec are on better servers. They are designed to handle a larger server load continuously. Yes their is still lag in both hi sec and low sec. Docking and undocking takes longer than it should. Modules will make nearly a complete cycle sometimes when they shut off. Is it all the time? No. Is it worse than it was a year ago? definately. But i didnt have a year to get use to it either as i been gone for many months.
0.0 Is not about epic fleet fights 24/7. If you think thats what goes on in 0.0 constantly then you need to visit it a bit more.I still get lag in a region that has 40 plus systems and not even 100 people for the entire region. No fleet fights, no major fleet movements. Not even major ratting/mining/carebearing going on. Most are docked and probably afk. Still get lag.
Who do you think all those carebear alts belong to in high sec? How do you think we fund pvp down here in 0.0? You think( most) of us go out on our pvp character and mine/rat/mission? Alts are very common. Most people in high sec are tied to 0.0. All the carebears you see in this game are not just hardcore never been out of high sec carebears. a very large portion interact with 0.0 either on the toons you see or alts.
If carebearing was so popular in this game. If it was the big lure for Eve dont you think CCP would be marketing that if thats what draws the most players? Dont you think they would make more high sec? instead of more 0.0? You know they have guys that sit in offices all day long and crunch those kind of numbers. What do we want to market in Eve? missions! Mining! No. They market 0.0 pvp. 0.0 pvp is the money maker. because 0.0 pvpers invest a lot of money into this game. We run around on a bunch of alts, some to fly caps some to carebear, some to pvp and some just cause we can. Ultimately we are here to pvp. and we fuel that desire with alt accounts to do specific tasks, and with selling plexs( for those that are lazy). WE are the ones that invest a majority of money in this game. Not the mission runners or the high sec miners or the indy toons.
0.0 is broken. Not just fleet fights. Its amplified by fleet fights but it is broken even when it is empty and the only thing warping around are rats. If all the 0.0 pvpers left this game tomorrow with all their alt accounts, CCP would crash and they know it.
^ This is fact.
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