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Steve Celeste
Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:27:00 -
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Throw the OP down the well.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ....
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I don't mean to troll, but that is from 2008. In October 2008, the three biggest Icelandic banks defaulted and drove Iceland into extreme debt, debt that they still cannot or will not pay (the Icelandic people are extremely unhappy at the way they were treated by the UK after the default and do not see the debt as their fault). The Icelandic economy went from the top of European economies to the bottom and the Icelandic ISK lost 2/3rds of its value.
CCP is mostly insulated from this as most of their income is in foreign currencies, but it does have the effect that it makes it hard for them to get top ranking employees from foreign countries, and the Icelandic talent pool is very small (tiny population of some 310000 people). Most of the job listings on their site have been unfilled for years.
Also, CCP is on a very ambitious plan to develop 3 major games; Eve, World of Darkness (Incarna is supposed to be the beta for that game) and Dust 514. Since they didn't publish any financials for 2009, one can assume they weren't as rosy as the 2008 financials. This means that most likely, they are stuck with limited resources to do all of this, and the result is almost surely going to be a drop in quality.
CCP have basically stated that they want more features as these increase new player subscriptions, but they seem to be doing this at the cost of being unable to retain older players.
Where this goes in future, we'll see.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Isgod well ive only played a couple of weeks (eve that is) and havent been involved in any 10v10 (yet) and the game runs fine where i am...
...but where i am theres not 20+ collidable objects fighting for RAM.
like any game the only thing that will resolve the problems listed in this thread is hardware,and hardware is expensive (good hardware anyways).
now saying the hardware is expensive means purchasing the actual device(s),paying for the techs to install and debug it and listen to all the whining during the downtime.
this isnt to say anything other than maybe this is why the problem hasnt been directly addressed yet.
Did ccp throw out the servers that were running 1000 man fights a year ago? Hardware is clearly not the issue,or if it is its because ccp made bad decisions.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:27:00 -
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The OP is almost right.
I have alts in O.O and i live in empire. 0.0 has troubles during big fleet fights, guaranteed, but I have been doing small gangs roams just fine, despite sometimes jumping through systems and loading grid is somewhat slow. Lag has to be addressed but has not made the game unplayable to me.
My main - the one i am using for posting now - lives in empire and runs PI, industry, mining and missioning just fine. The only issue i'd love to see improved performance-wise is the jump lag when passing through lonetrek/the forge and most notably Jita.
The game *is not* broken according to me. But I admit that those who like big fleet fights are being let down.
Said that, those who run through the forums throwing hate and blame here and there, should really give up on the game and leave. And no, I do not care about their stuff as long as they get lost.
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Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
they've done that, it just didn't include the cause of the lag problem itself because they haven't found it yet.
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Giovanni DalleBandeNere
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:09:00 -
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well maybe the issue here is that is not healty to watch a space zombie try to board your POD for 15 minutes..xpecially if that zombies is you ^_^ oh my i really look that bad?
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 08/08/2010 08:15:14
Originally by: Defecanda Guys Guys. It's an Iceland company. All the employees that live on the rock don't have time to script and dev because they are waiting in line for soup at the poor house right now. The employees in the rest of Europe are all distracted cuz they know they will be doing the same in a few months. Bottom line; they all know the glamour days of sitting on their fat asses and adding "creative" value to pew pew internet spaceships is over. It's a shame
I think personal insults about people starving is tasteless and taking it a bit to far perhaps you should stop posting.
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I'm not really sure where you were going with this, but generally profit wouldn't include salaries, which would have already been removed as a cost. 5m is what was leftover after all bills, equipment, and personnel were paid. ______________________________
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ....
I agree
and wiki CCP:
Revenue ▲ US$46,482,140 at 2008-12-31 20.06% from year earlier[4] Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[4] Employees 353 (2008-12-31)[6]
=$14,341.16 Profit per employee.
Hardly poor since devs typically make pretty decent money. Like This headline:"2008 Game Developer Salary Survey Reveals $79,000 Average Income [04.29.09]"
I don't mean to troll, but that is from 2008. In October 2008, the three biggest Icelandic banks defaulted and drove Iceland into extreme debt, debt that they still cannot or will not pay (the Icelandic people are extremely unhappy at the way they were treated by the UK after the default and do not see the debt as their fault). The Icelandic economy went from the top of European economies to the bottom and the Icelandic ISK lost 2/3rds of its value.
CCP is mostly insulated from this as most of their income is in foreign currencies, but it does have the effect that it makes it hard for them to get top ranking employees from foreign countries, and the Icelandic talent pool is very small (tiny population of some 310000 people). Most of the job listings on their site have been unfilled for years.
Also, CCP is on a very ambitious plan to develop 3 major games; Eve, World of Darkness (Incarna is supposed to be the beta for that game) and Dust 514. Since they didn't publish any financials for 2009, one can assume they weren't as rosy as the 2008 financials. This means that most likely, they are stuck with limited resources to do all of this, and the result is almost surely going to be a drop in quality.
CCP have basically stated that they want more features as these increase new player subscriptions, but they seem to be doing this at the cost of being unable to retain older players.
Where this goes in future, we'll see.
People put to much emphasis on where CCP is HQed.99% of their income is from outside of iceland. More than likely they use a bank that has international branches such as Barclays. I got the financial off wiki, the 2009 report may not be available yet or posted. Its not something that is "hidden" it is public record.
When i started in mid 2008 average players online was in the low 30k. When i quit for a few months the end of 2009 the average was around 40-45k So i would say their was good increase. Incidently,since i have came back i have not seen players online go over 38k. I would say thats a noticable increase with just as noticable decrease this year.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/08/2010 18:13:19
Most of the moaners are just jumping on the bandwagon and see the problems as an opportunity to get some Efame. Their posts are badly thought out rants and they do a lot more damage than good as they simply force CCP to be less open about their game. I simply do not trust the opinion or judgement of people like that.
I've had no problems playing EVE at all, except for the usual irritations I find with the game. There are issues though with lag in some areas which particularly affects those who like fleet fights.
I'd pay attention to well thought out and considered posts such as the one earlier by Proclus Diadochu.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 08/08/2010 18:13:19
Most of the moaners are just jumping on the bandwagon and see the problems as an opportunity to get some Efame. Their posts are badly thought out rants and they do a lot more damage than good as they simply force CCP to be less open about their game. I simply do not trust the opinion or judgement of people like that.
I've had no problems playing EVE at all, except for the usual irritations I find with the game. There are issues though with lag in some areas which particularly affects those who like fleet fights.
I'd pay attention to well thought out and considered posts such as the one earlier by Proclus Diadochu.
I agree, we do not need more whining, we instead need playing the game, identifying eventual problems, reporting them.
Also, partecipating to mass tests on SISI is a thing that should be done by anyone intrested in lending an hand.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:36:00 -
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We probably all have our individual wishlists of what we would like to see improved.
My biggest personal frustration is that I see a lot of unused potential in the core game of Eve. It's an amazing framework with a lot of blanks that needs to be filled in. Then when CCP refuses to fill in the blanks, but prefer to make more framework it feels a bit frustrating.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 18:51:38
Originally by: Sarina Berghil We probably all have our individual wishlists of what we would like to see improved.
My biggest personal frustration is that I see a lot of unused potential in the core game of Eve. It's an amazing framework with a lot of blanks that needs to be filled in. Then when CCP refuses to fill in the blanks, but prefer to make more framework it feels a bit frustrating.
Sarina, what you say is true.
The blank spots however are represented by actual game features that need *a good amount* of improvement and also new features that can add to player experience.
I believe that balancing the amount of work that need to go in both directions is difficult.
As of now, I'd love to see some technical issues resolved, I'd love to see current game features improved (factional warfare is just an example) and I'd love to see new features added too.
I do not feel the game is broken, but I'd rather like to see small and decisive improvements on several fronts.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:58:00 -
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FW is certainly an element that could flourish if given some attention.
I agree that it is a tough tradeoff. Also I think most of us would also like to see new flashy features once in a while. If we were presented with a bug fix expansion without a single new feature, that would probably feel boring.
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Silence Duegood on 08/08/2010 20:46:52
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Whining
Whining about whining. Who needs to harden the *** up?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 08/08/2010 21:34:24
Originally by: Taliya Valkorva Edited by: Taliya Valkorva on 08/08/2010 01:18:40
Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Honestly, the stress on the system has become fairly bad. Since I live in nullsec and am frequently in large fleets when RL doesn't interfere, I have noticed quite a few instances of loading issues, gate lag, fleet lag, black screens, and other various complaints that pilots have voiced.
I can't speak for the whole, but individually I would like to see CCP address the issue or at least provide a development blog to give us a report of what they have found in their trouble shooting and possible solutions they may try to implement.
I don't do to much PVE or mining, but I have had friends in nullsec complain about the issues affecting nearly empty systems. Hopefully our friends at CCP will discover the issue and the upcoming expansions will be better for content and quality of the game.
This is all I have personally noticed. Hopefully this provides useful perspective.
Fly safe,
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
A well thought out and reasonable complaint on fleet lag. That's new.
I do often get notifications regarding the next mass test for fleet lag and node stability, and there have been some dev blogs explaining many of the issues CCP has fixed. Link
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 21:40:16
Originally by: Ghoest
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
This is exactly what the game and the community does not need: more hate.
Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes. Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather. Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes. Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
Please, be so kind not to be harsh. If you have constructive criticism, however, you are welcome.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:52:00 -
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Quote: Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes.
Lag issues are due to game coding NOT large fleet fights. Large fleet fights, if we could have such a thing in non reinforced systems, only amplify the underlying problem.
Quote: Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather.
Certainly are in at least majority of the nodes, save the ones in reinforced. Perhaps you think its proper for drones to launch 1.....at...... a....... time.... or for module cycles to be 1 and........... a 1/2 cycles. Not working as intended though thats in regions with thousands in them ( hi sec) and regions with less than 100 ( the region i am in most of the time)
Quote: Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes.
No because: A) they simply dont care B) they dont pay attention C) they write it off as graphic, pc or connection lag d)They dont know how the game is suppose to function( how it use too some time ago)
Quote: Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
See above answer.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 21:40:16
Originally by: Ghoest
Appeantly you just learned to read and have thus missed the countless earlier posts explaining how bad lag is during fleet combat since Dominion.
Go away noob.
This is exactly what the game and the community does not need: more hate.
Are there issues due to large fleet lag in 0.0 that need to be addressed? Yes. Are those issues present in every and each node of the game? No, only where large fleets gather. Are all pilots aware at all of the lag? No, becouse their gamestyle might not trigger it and becouse they might be living on not crashed nodes. Are pilots unaware of the lag issues noobs? *Not at all* they might have not been affected or might have just discovered.
Please, be so kind not to be harsh. If you have constructive criticism, however, you are welcome.
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations.
And who really cares about youre welcome?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations. And who really cares about your "welcome?"
Dear Ghoest, I am quite informed and aware of the problems. I do 0.0 fights (my alts do) and i do empire production, and I have been experiencing very few problems. When i participated to C-J battle, becouse I was there mind you, that was a laggy situation.
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Whether you like or not the truth and my welcome it is your problem. My invitation is still there and it is not addressed specifically to you.
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
See above answer.
Thorian, people who do not care about the lag *are not* noob. They don't care or do not know or do not play the game the way you do. Your attitude too brings hate to the forums, and is not constructive at all. The invitation to be constructive is extended to you too.
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Slick O'Hara
The Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:09:00 -
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They whine because they whine, oddly enough the people that ***** endlessly about how the game is too laggy etc are never on sisi during the mass tests, they find helping CCP fix these problems takes precious time away from them which should be spent on more whining ;3
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 08/08/2010 22:24:00
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Ghoest
What the game doesnt need is stupid uninformed people making sweeping generalizations. And who really cares about your "welcome?"
Dear Ghoest, I am quite informed and aware of the problems. I do 0.0 fights (my alts do) and i do empire production, and I have been experiencing very few problems. When i participated to C-J battle, becouse I was there mind you, that was a laggy situation.
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Whether you like or not the truth and my welcome it is your problem. My invitation is still there and it is not addressed specifically to you.
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
See above answer.
Learn to read twit. I didnt say you were uninformed. Its the idiot you asked me to not insult who is uninformed. Youre just a pansy.
Additionally the lag in 0.0 is not a matter of someone "agree"ing with me. Its a matter of fact. A fact that the OP should have been aware of before posting.
So go cry somewhere else hippy and learn to read before you start telling me what to do.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
What you really are saying is that people who do not agree with you must be uninformed and then noobs. Your attitude might spread hate into the forum: this is bad and you should accept it.
Who opened the cabinet where I locked the fracking Ph.D.'s in psychiatry ? People that do not agree that LAG is quite bad at times, are uninformed, which makes them n00bs. Look up the term
Quote: Thorian, people who do not care about the lag *are not* noob. They don't care or do not know or do not play the game the way you do. Your attitude too brings hate to the forums, and is not constructive at all. The invitation to be constructive is extended to you too.
See previous answer. Now please, go sit on a flag pole and wiggle down.
If you want to spread your love, address the OMFG RAGE CCP SUXORZ posts, not the ones that try to explain something or are fed up with the 'Hey, I'm new, BUT I have all your answers tight here' types of people, that ignore the fact that there are zillions of threadnaughts out there, describing the problems IN DETAIL. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 08/08/2010 22:34:54
Originally by: Ressiv
Who opened the cabinet where I locked the fracking Ph.D.'s in psychiatry ? People that do not agree that LAG is quite bad at times, are uninformed, which makes them n00bs.
See previous answer. Now please, go sit on a flag pole and wiggle down.
If you want to spread your love, address the OMFG RAGE CCP SUXORZ posts, not the ones that try to explain something or are fed up with the 'Hey, I'm new, BUT I have all your answers tight here' types of people, that ignore the fact that there are zillions of threadnaughts out there, describing the problems IN DETAIL.
@ressiv:
If you read my posts in this thread you will notice I said that i experienced Lag and that I agree with reports stating that lag is *at times* unbearable.
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs. If you are so angry about lag and about people who want to go over it and try to play, why are you still playing the game?
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 22:46:42
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs.
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
Quote: If you are so angry about lag
I'm not, at all. But it IS a huge problem atm.
Quote: and about people who want to go over it and try to play
Like myself ?
Quote: , why are you still playing the game?
Cuz even tho LAG makes it unplayable at times, it's still the best MMO out there, and I like it ?
I'm not on the FIX LAG OR DIE bandwagon, but it's kinda annoying to get people comming here with 0 computer knowledge, 0 in-game knowledge and all the answers.
Quote:
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
..eh ? ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Taphal
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Originally by: Ressiv
Quote:
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.
..eh ?
Hijacking: Taking over a thread on a message board by taking a part of the original posted topic, twisting it around and "hijacking" the thread itself.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Taphal
Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Source ? I used urban dictionary.
Quote:
Hijacking: Taking over a thread on a message board by taking a part of the original posted topic, twisting it around and "hijacking" the thread itself.
No **** ... I didnt hijack it tho ... altho I might be atm, together with you. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Taphal
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Taphal
Originally by: Ressiv
n00b: A inexperienced and/or ignorant or unskilled person. Especially used in computer games.
That's not what a noob is. A newbie is a new and inexperienced player. A noob is a newbie that is relatively stupid even given their situation.
Source ? I used urban dictionary.
This is just how people use it. If you want to insult someone, you'd always choose "noob" over "newbie". It's a connotation, not a denotation, which might explain why it doesn't show up in urban dictionary.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.09 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
@ressiv:
If you read my posts in this thread you will notice I said that i experienced Lag and that I agree with reports stating that lag is *at times* unbearable.
People are not informed or might not care about the issue, or might not experience it, this is not making them noobs. If you are so angry about lag and about people who want to go over it and try to play, why are you still playing the game?
Btw, nice way to hijack the thread.[/quote
You highjacked the thread love child.
And to address your posts in a larger sense.
If you are going to play the passive aggressive card you have to maintain intellectual honesty which as both ressiv and I demonstrated you didnt do. What you did just sounds like a pot head arguing out his butt.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:20:00 -
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@ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro @ghoest and friends
You demonstrated nothing. However i am letting you and friends to move the thread were you like.
The lag does not really exists for the 80% of the playerbase. For the remaining part it is in 0.0 and in specific situations. Start understand that there are people who do not care if you can't do a 500vs500 battle. And my main participed to several of them
Btw, spitting in the dish where you eat demonstrate being childish, guess who is the noob here? Grow up, or find another game, I am sure you are all well suited for farmville or maybe hello kitty.
Now, that is what i call being aggressive, if I have to be.
I'm confused. Who's the good guy in this fight?
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