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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: ArcDragon on 12/08/2010 22:34:37
By now, a lot of pilots have heard of the Kestrel carrying 74 plexes being destroyed. I can confirm that this is not a hoax.
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
A month ago this would not have been possible, but with a recent change in policy allowing these items to leave stations and thusly be fully lootable it has finally happened an a scale that should not be ignored.
Some will say, "He's an idiot for doing that."
Others will say, "Wow, sucks to be him!"
That is NOT what this thread is about.
I say that CCP put plexes in the game and the protection they gave them was correct. I say they are a binding contract, which roughly tranlated means, one plex for one month of game play. Game play represents CCP's obligation to allow a player access to the Eve servers, usually at a price of about $15 a month.
In this case, CCP made it possible to get about $1200 to $1300 USD and not have to honor the contracts!
To me, this policy makes CCP look bad, REAL bad. As in they put an item in the game knowing full well that it could be destroyed and did nothing about it even though it DIRECTLY represented free money, I mean, money.
If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:28:00 -
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 Originally by: ArcDragon
I say they are a binding contract, which roughly tranlated means, one plex for one month of game play.
And you're wrong.
Did this really need another thread? NEXT!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Darth Kilth
Minmatar
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:29:00 -
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It has been said and will be said again:
When you choose to convert it into a ingame items you and just you are responsible for them, You could have used it but you didn't.
If I buy a car and decide to drive of a cliff the car dealer is also not responsible for me driving of the roads.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Kuar Z'thain
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
By now, a lot of pilots have heard of the Kestrel carrying 74 plexes being destroyed. I can confirm that this is not a hoax.
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
A month ago this would not have been possible, but with a recent change in policy allowing these items to leave stations and thusly be fully lootable it has finally happened an a scale that should not be ignored.
Some will say, "He's an idiot for doing that."
Others will say, "Wow, sucks to be him!"
That is NOT what this thread is about.
I say that CCP put plexes in the game and the protection they gave them was correct. I say they are a binding contract, which roughly tranlated means, one plex for one month of game play. Game play represents CCP's obligation to allow a player access to the Eve servers, usually at a price of about $15 a month.
In this case, CCP made it possible to get about $1200 to $1300 USD and not have to honor the contracts!
To me, this policy makes CCP look bad, REAL bad. As in they put an item in the game knowing full well that it could be destroyed and did nothing about it even though it DIRECTLY represented free money, I mean, money.
You're misinterpreting the contract terms.
The contract was complete when CCP generated the in-game item, not when the item is "used".
/thread
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:30:00 -
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It was possible from the first day PLEXes were introduced, so why is it suddenly an issue now, two years later?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: ArcDragon
By now, a lot of pilots have heard of the Kestrel carrying 74 plexes being destroyed. I can confirm that this is not a hoax.
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
A month ago this would not have been possible, but with a recent change in policy allowing these items to leave stations and thusly be fully lootable it has finally happened an a scale that should not be ignored.
Some will say, "He's an idiot for doing that."
Others will say, "Wow, sucks to be him!"
That is NOT what this thread is about.
I say that CCP put plexes in the game and the protection they gave them was correct. I say they are a binding contract, which roughly tranlated means, one plex for one month of game play. Game play represents CCP's obligation to allow a player access to the Eve servers, usually at a price of about $15 a month.
In this case, CCP made it possible to get about $1200 to $1300 USD and not have to honor the contracts!
To me, this policy makes CCP look bad, REAL bad. As in they put an item in the game knowing full well that it could be destroyed and did nothing about it even though it DIRECTLY represented free money, I mean, money.
You're misinterpreting the contract terms.
The contract was complete when CCP generated the in-game item, not when the item is "used".
/thread
seriously, and now can people shut up about the super plex kessy already.
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:32:00 -
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Quote:
B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
'Nuff said, your fault.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:32:00 -
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They bought them with isk to resell in jita. Therefore they are no different than anything else lost in an untanked frig/indi.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
It was possible from the first day PLEXes were introduced, so why is it suddenly an issue now, two years later?
As I have explained here, quite elegantly:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1351410
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
You're misinterpreting the contract terms.
The contract was complete when CCP generated the in-game item, not when the item is "used".
Pretty much this. They are selling you the possibility of 30 days of game time, how you (or anyone) chooses to use that is beyond their control. When they sell you the plex, the service is complete.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:34:00 -
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For those that can not read, let me repeat:
This thread is about wether or not this specific game mechanic makes CCP look bad for allowing this scenario to take place.
I firmly believe that the "STUPID SHALL BE PUNISHED" and the kestrel pilot falls under that category, OK, I get that.
If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
For those that can not read, let me repeat:
This thread is about wether or not this specific game mechanic makes CCP look bad for allowing this scenario to take place.
They don't look any worse to me. Makes em look better.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
For those that can not read, let me repeat:
This thread is about wether or not this specific game mechanic makes CCP look bad for allowing this scenario to take place.
Only if you're small minded and hard of thinking does it make them look bad. They have done nothing shady here in the least. They sold a service, they honoured that service (because the plex's WERE in the guys hold, right?), some cretin makes a mistake - and that's their fault how, exactly?
So many people, like yourself, are acting as if the $1200 that was 'destroyed' went to the CCP beer and hooker fund and they're out living large on someone's mistake.
Service was provided honestly and with good faith.
End user was an idiot.
Explain to me again how this is CCP's fault or how they reneged on a deal, as I just can't seem to grasp the logic behind this.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
This thread is about wether or not this specific game mechanic makes CCP look bad for allowing this scenario to take place.
àand again, since this has always been the case, and CCP hasn't look any better or worse for it: no.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Simply Humus
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Simply Humus on 12/08/2010 22:50:59
Originally by: ArcDragon
For those that can not read, let me repeat:
This thread is about wether or not this specific game mechanic makes CCP look bad for allowing this scenario to take place.
I firmly believe that the "STUPID SHALL BE PUNISHED" and the kestrel pilot falls under that category, OK, I get that.
It only looks bad to people who'd take their melted ice cream back and demand a refund. Everyone who ate their ice cream before it melted are fine. |
Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/08/2010 22:56:31
All of this "moral conundrum" can be solved quite easily...
...have CCP set up a charity fund that gets filled with the RL money counter-value of destroyed PLEX, and have the CSM decide (or have a general public vote) to which charity or to which aid the funds should be donated to (on a more or less regular basis).
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Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:59:00 -
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Quote:
SO, DOES THIS MAKE CCP LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CROOKS OR NO? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
No. Next thread plz.
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:04:00 -
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When you buy a plex (or gtc then convert to plex to be exact), with RL money, you get exactly what you paid for, the plex. What you do with it after that is your responsibility.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: alittlebirdy on 12/08/2010 23:06:52
Well I hope the OP aint a laywer... as OP would suck balls at it.
Paied for GTC... got GTC. End of story, if I pay for a hammer, hit a nail and break it I can bring it back... if I choose to trade it for a nail gun... I can't go back to the store with the nail gun and say it don't work.
The GTC worked, it was traded for 2 plex's... boom CCP is done.
If the GTC vanished... and no plex's where had or time added (via use of GTC not plex trade). Ya ccp is on the hook as the GTC would be broken.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:08:00 -
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CCP gives free play time to players all the time for the player's game play sucess. If sometimes some game time gets destroyed because of game play failure it is hardly like they're taking more time than they are giving based on players game play actions.
How? Every time a player buys plex from another player with isk and then plays the game for "free" CCP give out free game time. The Idea that players can only buy isk with real money buy getting other players to give them the ISK is just a marketing ploy. CCP has every right to sell game currency directly to players just as you can in club penguin or puzzle pirates. That CCP instead allows other players to earn free game time with their play as part of that transaction is just a game play decission they made.
Symetry:
you can use game play to buy free game time.
you can lose game time by mistakes in game play.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:39:00 -
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There are 3 ways to play Eve, which one does not fit:
I buy a GTC, it is secure, I pay, someone plays.
I pay them directly, credit card, debit card etc. I pay, someone plays.
I buy a GTC convert into a PLEX, their rules now allow them to be looted/destroyed. I pay someone does NOT play.
Is this what you want?
If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:41:00 -
[22]
Originally by: ArcDragon
Edited by: ArcDragon on 12/08/2010 22:37:40
Edited by: ArcDragon on 12/08/2010 22:34:37
By now, a lot of pilots have heard of the Kestrel carrying 74 plexes being destroyed. I can confirm that this is not a hoax.
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
A month ago this would not have been possible, but with a recent change in policy allowing these items to leave stations and thusly be fully lootable it has finally happened an a scale that should not be ignored.
Some will say, "He's an idiot for doing that."
Others will say, "Wow, sucks to be him!"
That is NOT what this thread is about.
I say that CCP put plexes in the game and the protection they gave them was correct. I say they are a binding contract, which roughly tranlated means, one plex for one month of game play. Game play represents CCP's obligation to allow a player access to the Eve servers, usually at a price of about $15 a month.
In this case, CCP made it possible to get about $1200 to $1300 USD and not have to honor the contracts!
To me, this policy makes CCP look bad, REAL bad. As in they put an item in the game knowing full well that it could be destroyed and did nothing about it even though it DIRECTLY represented free money, I mean, money.
SO, DOES THIS MAKE CCP LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CROOKS OR NO? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
Holy crap you are so stupid, let me guess, a 13 year old dreaming to become a lawyer? FFS get to know the difference between PLEX and gametime cards!
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:03:00 -
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OP is stupid... but reminded me a good joke:
"I want pay back, your air balloons are defective.
-...hmm, do they pop when blown ?
- No, they do not entertain me."
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
Edited by: ArcDragon on 12/08/2010 23:48:47
There are 3 ways to play Eve, which one does not fit:
I buy a GTC, it is secure, I pay, someone plays.
I pay them directly, credit card, debit card etc. I pay, someone plays.
I buy a GTC convert into a PLEX, their rules now allow them to be looted/destroyed. I pay, someone does NOT play.
You're still not answering the question of "where EXACTLY in this chain did CCP do something shady?"
They sold the PLEX in good faith. What happens to it after that is NOT their responsibility of fault.
If there was a mechanic they introduced where you HAD to move the PLEX (and thereby risk it) you might have a case, but no one - repeat - NO ONE - has to lose a PLEX, so you're making an issue where there isn't one.
You can't regulate stupid.
Quote:
Let me put it in a way so that those who are of the opinion that PLEXs are not a special case and should be lootable if you make a mistake.
At what point do you draw the line? What if tomorrow CCP institues a policy saying that if you drive a capial ship and you get blown up in it, then they will dock you 15 days of game time?
Would that be ok, seeing as it's your own misktake for getting blown up and it's costing you real game time, which tranlates into real money leaving your wallet and therefore CCP does not have to honor game time for 15 days of play?
Is it really so hard to put the original rules back into place to protect you from loosing your money like that?
This is just all hyperbolic, histrionic nonsense.
Again, as you seem to be missing the point - CCP absolutely DID live up to their end of the bargain. Someone paid them for PLEX's, they delivered the PLEX's.
How did they do anything wrong?
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:03:00 -
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They went wrong when they wrote in the game mechanics that directly allow someone to loose something of direct monetary value. PERIOD, end of story. Nothing else in Eve, or any other MMo that I am aware of does that.
My GTC does not get destroyed and my credit card does not blow up.
If that is something you idiots want in your game, well, I guess you get what you pay for.
If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 13/08/2010 01:22:09
ah, screw it, what's the point.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
They went wrong when they wrote in the game mechanics that directly allow someone to loose something of direct monetary value. PERIOD, end of story. Nothing else in Eve, or any other MMo that I am aware of does that.
My GTC does not get destroyed and my credit card does not blow up.
If that is something you idiots want in your game, well, I guess you get what you pay for.
What was that? Because its not PLEX cards.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 13/08/2010 01:40:53
Originally by: ArcDragon
SO, DOES THIS MAKE CCP LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CROOKS OR NO? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
No it doesn't.
/opinion
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
They went wrong when they wrote in the game mechanics that directly allow someone to loose something of direct monetary value. PERIOD, end of story.
So in other words: they went wrong when they introduced PLEXes 2 years ago. So why is it an issue now all of a sudden?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon
SO, DOES THIS MAKE CCP LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CROOKS OR NO? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
CCP is looking just fine, but this thread makes you look bad.
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