Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/

ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.

Regardless of tech or any moon goo


Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.

New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.

I kinda understand your frustration.

However, game mechanics are firmly in place for anyone to take these systems - but I will agree it seems highly unlikely given the overwhelming odds against anyone who attempts to do so.

Just need enough dots.

AK

i have a tech moon in jita

i'm just that good

three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit

right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them!

also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass..

Just add more interactivity to moon mining, as opposed to -

1) deploy pos
2) click buttan
3) do nothing for a week or two
4) receive golden bacon

If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).

The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.

I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.

its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..

That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)?

If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story.

Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...

Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...

Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...

The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE".

Just to clarify a few details on this one:

Tech moons were all grouped together to encourage dynamic state of play over those regions. CCP forcasted that these regions would be heavily contested as many alliances would vie for moon control.

What happened was that a single cartel took dominant, uncontested control of these moons.

Wow, this thread is full of all kinds of fail. I like it. :)

Keep up the awesome poasting!!

redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea

if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons

Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?

Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it.

You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.

its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..

Regardless of tech or any moon goo


Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.

New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.

As I recall, they had a entire region given to them.

Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?

Out of curiosity, does the Federation in Goonswarm Federation come from Tau Ceti Federation?

I remember reading about the RedSwarm Federation, seems each part came from a different alliance that was a part of the coalition.

Red Alliance
Goonswarm
Tau Ceti Federation

Same case with GSF?

I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*)

It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last ). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts.

You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.

Regardless of tech or any moon goo


Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.

New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.

It transpired that, under true nuclear transmutation, it is far easier to turn gold into lead than the reverse reaction, which was the one the alchemists had ardently pursued. Nuclear experiments have successfully transmuted lead into gold, but the expense far exceeds any gain.[6] It would be easier to convert gold into lead via neutron capture and beta decay by leaving gold in a nuclear reactor for a long period of time.

More information on gold synthesis, see Synthesis of precious metals.
197Au + n GåÆ 198Au (halflife 2.7 days) GåÆ 198Hg + n GåÆ 199Hg + n GåÆ 200Hg + n GåÆ 201Hg + n GåÆ 202Hg + n GåÆ 203Hg (halflife 47 days) GåÆ 203Tl + n GåÆ 204Tl (halflife 3.8 years) GåÆ 204Pb (halflife 1.4x1017 years)

You don't say why fade in/out is a bad idea. I'm talking long-term here, not a few days. Say over 3 - 6 months.

Richard Desturned, I have a question:

How do you manage to stay sane, being the only reasonable person on these entire forums?

Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/

redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea

if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons

given that NC. Evoke. Raiden. PL all established big pvp alliances couldnt manage it together because basically goons can just constantly fund an neverending supply of ships with no consequence as thye make more isk than they can spend says theres a big problem..

Goons you may troll all you like, my statement remains. and yes please give 160kk reasons why randomising moons is not a good idea... please...

Dear CCP,

Why did you put a bunch of valuable resources in one spot? My frightened pubbie mind can't handle the thought of resource motivated warfare and diplomacy. Please spread the technitium out so that everyone can have a fare an equitable share.

Signed,

Pubbie Filth

"additionally, we want to mine tech moons in hisec"

All space is not equal. Nor should it be. Otherwise what is the point?

^ Seems like that would cause you actual economic harm though. Perhaps it should be done.

Oh dear. That reminds me of some random guy last month who I managed to convince I had a Tech moon for sale. He wouldn't buy it because it wasn't in highsec.

A pubbie failing to recognize the difference between player driven conflict and content creation... and developer interference.

unlike defiant legacy, a noted relevant space holding alliance

we had deklein given to us because we merged with the alliance that previously owned it, we only had 10-20 tech moons and we had to take the other 40-60 ourselves

"additionally, we want to mine tech moons in hisec"

Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/

You're in a NPC corp and are worrying about tech moons?

right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them!

also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass..

Neither has Goonswarm.

people advocating moon rotation are, universally, friendless nobodies who hate the fact 0.0 rewards having friends

They also do not recall that it was a rejiggering by CCP in the Dominion expansion (December 2009) of the Tech 2 manufacturing inputs which, in turn, altered the demand for various moon-derived materials.

CCP knew exactly what they were doing and they sat on their hands for over 2.5 years letting this nonsense fester.

Back on-topic: Change the Tech 2 manufacturing inputs and *poof* the demand for various moon materials is altered.

Transmutation of elements is real. Particle accelerators transmute elements on a regular basis. Transmutation also takes place in nuclear plants and during thermonuclear explosions.

At our current technology level it's mostly only of scientific interest and a side effect of nuclear power generation, but in a science fiction universe it's not too far fetched to imagine that it could be used on an industrial scale to create rare and valuable elements.

You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.

Would we have more fights or more shooting ranges?

I kinda like the idea of Alchemy.


I wish to turn every Minmatar ship I come across into gold so that I don't bleed from my eyes when I look at them.

Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/

The tech fail lies not in the fact that the resources are only in a specific area in the universe, but the fact that it is a passive generator with 0 effort to get. Throw in the subtle fact how PoS's work with their nifty shields and 24 hour immunity and so on and so forth. Whilst the PoS system is not the main issue to the problem it definitely adds a layer to it and cannot be ignored completely.

The tech fail lies not in the fact that the resources are only in a specific area in the universe, but the fact that it is a passive generator with 0 effort to get.

You mean I can get my very own Tech moon with out having to scan moons, set up a POS, refuel it, collect the goo or defend the tower!? Sign me up bro.

You seem to have some kind of magic ability to see details about the future. show them before ur very own opinion.

You mean I can get my very own Tech moon with out having to scan moons, set up a POS, refuel it, collect the goo or defend the tower!? Sign me up bro.

Scan moon: Done once

Setting up POS: Done once

Refuelling: Ignored as stated earlier.

Collecting the goo: Oh my the backbreaking effort. Any regular miner would be so PROUD of you son. Pretty much falls into the same category as refuelling. Basically a trip or two every so many timeunits from X to Y. Oh wait, did I say trip? I mean jump. Man, logistics in nullsec. What a backbreaking activity it is.

Defending the tower: Yup, quite the effort when you have a huge alliance behind your back. Besides, how many times per week do you necessarily have to defend it with said alliance behind your back? 4 times? 10 times? Give me an average number so we can deepen our discussion regarding this part at least.

Scan moon: Done once

Setting up POS: Done once

Refuelling: Ignored as stated earlier.

Collecting the goo: Oh my the backbreaking effort. Any regular miner would be so PROUD of you son. Pretty much falls into the same category as refuelling. Basically a trip or two every so many timeunits from X to Y. Oh wait, did I say trip? I mean jump. Man, logistics in nullsec. What a backbreaking activity it is.

Defending the tower: Yup, quite the effort when you have a huge alliance behind your back. Besides, how many times per week do you necessarily have to defend it with said alliance behind your back? 4 times? 10 times? Give me an average number so we can deepen our discussion regarding this part at least.

I thought that we were talking about the tech moons only now? Isn't that what everyone wants to fix? Or is there a problem with all other moons now all of a sudden?

[quote=evereplicant]ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.

Then there are 160k moons to scan for ~300 Tech moons.

If you're starting out knowing where the moon is (and assuming it's unoccupied), you've skipped over a large amount of the work.

So, step 1 is: Kill the guy currently holding it. This requires an enormous amount of effort.

Step 2 is: Set up the POS. etc.

I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*)

It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last ). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts.

I agree. Let's completely remove Tech.

Dear CCP,

Why did you put a bunch of valuable resources in one spot? My frightened gewnie mind can't handle the thought of resource motivated warfare and diplomacy. Please spread the technitium out so that everyone can have a fair and equitable share.

Signed,
The Mittani

Fixed your post. (Although to be fair, the second sentence doesn't really fit, I just can't be bothered to come up with something more appropriate for you.)

I love how your leadership when on the record saying this heavy concentration was a bad idea, decided to abuse the hell out of it to force CCP to fix it, and make "Scrooge McDuck" levels of ISK along the way... now that you rank and file GEWNS are so used to it... its suddenly a terrible idea to do what your leader suggested in the first place, and is STILL advocating last time I checked.

Go have the argument with The Mittani first and then come back here and school us pubbies.

Go ahead... we'll wait.

I guess you weren't around for the enormous threads about "R64 is OP, Nerf R64" that lead to the R64 nerf and Tech boom.

R64s are found all over EvE.

Not sure how this in anyway refutes anything I said although it seems to have meant to. Clearly I am missing something as I don't understand how your reply relates to my point.

I was simply pointed out The Mittani himself is on record as thinking the concentration was a bad idea. But now GEWNS are here in the forums defending the status quo.

Redistribution of Moons would require some...
Call it a 2 minutes to warp between moons, align to a moon, shoot the probe, and initiate warp. Ignore the 10m at the end of each system, the time to go between systems, the time to restock bulky probes, the time to type up the screencaps into useful spreadsheets, and the amount of duplicated work because competing interests don't talk to each other.

There are some 160k Mineable Moons. Redistribution would cost EvE players a MINIMUM of 5,333 man hours of scanning moons. Scanning moons, by the way, Sucks. I've scanned systems. I want to shoot myself* halfway through the first system.

Most likely, the cost would be 4-5 times that, because resupply, waiting out hostiles, the 10m wait, and duplication of effort takes huge chunks out of the efficiency.

The concentration was a bad idea. A better idea than redistributing tech would be to change the stuff used to build T2 components back to the ratios it had with R64s. They're already widely distributed. Alchemy is already there as a pressure relief valve. Most importantly, they're already mapped. Tech stops being the bottleneck (or particularly valuable), and Valuable moons are found in varying concentrations all over EVE.



*figuratively

Because I'm not allowed to have my own opinion and must do whatever some arrogant internet spaceships big shot tells me am I right? The Mittani can say whatever he likes, I'll say what I like.

I believe we deserve all the tech in the game because we are outright better people than the rest of you. We have the numbers and organization and wealth to take whatever we want, when we want and you can't stop us. If that's a problem for you, do something about it in game, just like we have. Stop whining to the developers because the rest of the game is a room full of jealous kittens all squabbling over their own selfish wants.

What would happen if CCP redistributed tech? Whatever worthless pubbie alliance ends up with a few moons would suddenly find the most organized and efficient military force this game has ever seen showing up on their doorstep. They would chest beat for a few days like they always do. Then they would fall to pieces as each member of the alliance jumps ship to save themselves. As happens every single time we burn a region to the ground. The pubbie is incapable of teaming up effectively. The pubbie is unable to look past his own interests. The pubbie runs away after making sure his "friends" run slower than he does.

Thanks for making me laugh.

I really can't even begin to respond. The levels of irony and sperge are too deep to even start to get into. I guess I'll have to admit that you are your own best counterargument and simply applaud the performance.

Bravo sir.

"I don't actually have a counter-argument so here's some high sounding mumbo-jumbo to make it seem like I didn't get dunked."

Just paraphrasing your post a little. Just a little.

Thanks for making me laugh.

I really can't even begin to respond. The levels of irony and sperge are too deep to even start to get into. I guess I'll have to admit that you are your own best counterargument and simply applaud the performance.

Bravo sir.

To help my friend, none ofthe above, out. There is some complexity to these moons. Seems like the main stream view of moons and such that CCP sells is a bit different then how the goons see moons. CCP was hoping moons would create conflict mostly. The goons do do conflict, but they also like something else from their moons. I would say the word that fits, but its kind of taboo here in EVE to utter it.

But with this alchemy fix to moons, it satisfies what the devs kind of wanted from tech and moons, the fight and conflict, but it does seem to leave the goons without much future here or no game design for them.

The main problem with the goons though, is that I am at a lost to see how to help them out. Its kind of cool what they want, but its really hard to implement or keep it going here, not really sure what to do with it, plus I just saw it now so its a bit soon.

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I was simply pointed out The Mittani himself is on record as thinking the concentration was a bad idea. But now GEWNS are here in the forums defending the status quo.

the tech nerf was 100% needed

10:1 tech alchemy, however, appears to be an overnerf that does not create new moons worth fighting over and makes tech still worth mining but not really worth fighting over

I don't even really like the method where tech is left as the bottleneck, I would prefer it be moved to an r64, but that'd be more difficult to jam into a minor patch

Heh what? Are you trolling again or high?

"goons do do conflict" - poetic

"seem to leave the goons without much future here"

Goons will have to adapt, I am sure. Some changes. But they have plenty of resources and probably understand alchemy better than anyone.

You can start writing the eulogy if you like, but I doubt these changes will be the death of goondom.

10:1 alchemy does seem to be "spinning the dials and see what happens". CCP has a tendency to overdo things once the get going nerfing something.

I was hoping for something a bit more subtle with alchemy, it being the first step, and something more comprehensive and game changing down the road.

Ah well.

So the big reason to not to redistribute moons is because some people have a database of current moons and they don't want to make a new one..... I hope to GOD they are not serious. Talk about afraid of change. I don't scan moons, but if it is truly that bad, ask that it is improved. Ohhhhhh wait, then it will be easy for others to make a database or the database pointless.

Adapt. Nothing wrong with a little unknown. Or does that scare you.

I never said complete database.

Since they have put work into making one, we should not mess with anything that would nullify this work. Is that what I am hearing?

I don't care if there are 1 million moons, you don't need to know about every moon in the universe.

So the big reason to not to redistribute moons is because some people have a database of current moons and they don't want to make a new one..... I hope to GOD they are not serious. Talk about afraid of change. I don't scan moons, but if it is truly that bad, ask that it is improved. Ohhhhhh wait, then it will be easy for others to make a database or the database pointless.

Adapt. Nothing wrong with a little unknown. Or does that scare you.

I never said complete database.

Since they have put work into making one, we should not mess with anything that would nullify this work. Is that what I am hearing?

I don't care if there are 1 million moons, you don't need to know about every moon in the universe.

Yes you do. Every moon is potentially valuable, so every moon would need to be re-scanned.

Asuming that the mid-grade moon scanning probe was used & taking in to account flight & recording times, how many man-hours would you estimate that it would take to re-scan 160k moons every 3 months?

So afraid of unknown. We might not be mining the most profitable moon..... Oh no. I need to know I am playing eve right (by the spreadsheet). Sigh.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1708944#post1708944

I did a calculation including only flight times between moons. It discounted recording time, discounted the probe time at the end of each system, discounted resupply. Everything but the time it takes to align away, warp, land, align to moon, shot probe.

5300 Man Hours.

i have another great idea

all sov in the game should drop every three months so ~small alliances~ can get a chance

Again, just cause you want to know about every moon, doesn't mean you need to know about every moon. These numbers are meaningless and at best spread across all of null/low sec.

But again, there is the fear factor of the unknown. Null sec is running scared :)

Again, just cause you want to know about every moon, doesn't mean you need to know about every moon. These numbers are meaningless and at best spread across all of null/low sec.

But again, there is the fear factor of the unknown. Null sec is running scared :)

The suggested change of rotating moons every 3 months would effectively cripple small alliances & just give the large ones another reason to hold a monopoly on everything. The idea is literally as stupid as the "Capital BPO's shouldn't be allowed to be copied so small alliances will stand a chance" idea that someone came up with last week.

Many years ago I scanned one constellation for moon materials, probably less than 150 moons in total.

I was only deinstitutionalized very recently and I am still kept under close supervision for my own safety.

Many years ago I scanned one constellation for moon materials, probably less than 150 moons in total.

I was only deinstitutionalized very recently and I am still kept under close supervision for my own safety.

Why is it better to randomly redistribute the bottleneck product than to fix the bottleneck.

Sounds like moon scanning needs to be improved.

Got an idea for how to improve it?

Remove it, put moon resources into the database dump instead.

After that no-one will be permitted to complain about null-sec being stagnant.

I think that's a terrible idea from a lore perspective, but a wonderful idea from a humanitarian perspective.

Wait, what.

How expensive is a Moros BPO nowadays?

Not too expensive, but it was more the context of the change. He basically wanted it so only BPO's could be used to produce any capital ship, module or component & only allow 1 run to be set, meaning manual input for say, 120 capital armour plate runs. Doesn't really affect established alliances, but would affect small not-so-organised alliances. I will try to find the thread.

Uh.

So all the supercap producers will harm themselves?

Minimum 5300 Man hours every time it shuffles. And I made enough assumptions that I'd be comfortable quadrupling that to get a reasonable estimate. Then comes moving POSes around. Have you ever set up or taken down a Deathstar POS?


Moon scanning is also necessary to plan your attacks on a new region. So every time someone invades someone else's space that they haven't held before, you have scouts hunting down moons.

Got an idea for how to improve it?

0.0 Region has like average of 80 systems. 40 moons is roughly average per system. That would take roughly 2 hours per system. Seeing how large 0.0 alliances are, this really isn't that much effort.

Well allow people to scan moons faster seems to be the solution. I keep hearing how long it takes. So allow scanning of multiple moons (by planet, system or constellation for instance). Or perhaps have special probes, consumed on use, which allows scan from anywhere in the system. Speeding up scanning should be easy.

But I should not be the one to improve the system. But the arguments I hear against redistribution just seem weak at best. Yours was actually the best i heard, just plainly asking what would it fix. And, I don't think it is the end all, be all, of a solution, but could be part of the solution. Makes it more challenging to control vast portions of the high value resources. I believe there should be economic reasons to help incite conflict, but we have seen highly concentrated high value resources can lead to its own issues.

give me a good argument for redistributiom

...
give me a good argument for redistributiom

But serious, I think if you read my post you may find a few reasons. And I still see fear of unknown as your sole reason against it. As I am sure we can speed up the process.

yeah because every character in a given 0.0 alliance is an individual player

Just going to point out that to scan a moon, you probably need less than 24h of training. Probably even less, if you optimize alt background and school.

Oh wait, I can answer this one! Because small bad alliances.. Wait, no...

Here, I fixed it for u.

Just going to point out that to scan a moon, you probably need less than 24h of training. Probably even less, if you optimize alt background and school.

optimize alt background and school