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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:45:00 -
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Basil... don't lose heart. This is a very cutthroat game from the get-go and there will always be periods where you seem to make little headway. Hell, even a year on I still find myself in such situations.
My advice? Look around for and attach yourself to some "newb friendly" veterans. That's what I did. With those "vets" I learned a lot about the game (from skill optimization, to fitting advice, to tactics) in a relatively short period of time. You can even learn from your enemies (i.e. the people "griefing" you). Convo them and see what they want or any tips they can provide to help you do better "next time." Do well enough and they might even recruit you.
Also... just to clarify... when I say "veteran" I don't mean someone who has played the game for a long time... rather, someone who has experienced many styles of play and KNOWS what he/she is talking about. There many 2 or 3 year old players who don't know how to do much beyond their little niche and can be easily picked apart by a bunch of month old newbies who are organized well enough. _______________________
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 21/08/2010 21:03:35
Originally by: Basil Pupkin Anyone buying accounts?
Trolling Newb forums?
Nice.
6/10 because I think most posters took you seriously.
I can assure you I have never posted on this board before.
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Rath Marr
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:26:00 -
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I've played a bunch of MMORPG's. Many of them with grief-proof newbie areas, most of them so carebeary that there was no danger from any player ever. Having done those, I have come to appreciate the method to Eve's madness. I've been ganked before, but never griefed; and each time I was ganked, it was 100% my fault.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin I can assure you I have never posted on this board before.
Newtroll is new.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians Imperium Directive
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Posted - 2010.08.22 15:40:00 -
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Eve is a 100% PvP game, by design.
In order to attempt to play outside that basic mechanic, you're going to have to make some accommodations in your play style.
Your (OP) description of events fits the term "PvP" rather than "grieving."
Peruse the EULA and ToS for specific definition of "grieving."
KB
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Jack Airron
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away). EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
Yep the 360000 people in this game dont play it.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:47:00 -
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Yes, there are a lot of immature people with weak personality and low self-esteem that get their jollies by picking on noobs. Everyone want to be able to influence their environment, and those that can't build settle for destroying. No different than losers that spray grafitti or otherwise valdalize what others have worked to build.
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move. They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems. They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems. They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up. They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa Yes, there are a lot of immature people with weak personality and low self-esteem that get their jollies by picking on noobs. Everyone want to be able to influence their environment, and those that can't build settle for destroying. No different than losers that spray grafitti or otherwise valdalize what others have worked to build.
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move. They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems. They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems. They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up. They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
Seriously? what you just said accounts to "YOU DONT PLAY THIS GAME THE WAY I DO SO YOU MUST BE A JERK"
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move. They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems. They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems. They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up. They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
Most of the advice you give is sound. With missions, yes; don't do them in busy areas where there are bound to be dozens of ninja salvagers. With hauling, yes; don't fly around valuable stuff unless you have the proper defenses for it. With mining, yes; do not provoke back when they flip you... just have a dedicated hauler to ferry your ores back to station.
However, with regards to war-decs... I take issue with that advice. No matter how "well equipped" the enemies are you are never completely defenseless. It's a simple matter of getting everyone to grow a spine, get organized, and laying out a [simple] plan that can outmaneuver and/or outclass one's opponent. For example: my friend and I were station camping a bunch of miners with a Vengeance and an Arazu. We found it funny because they had upwards of 10 guys in station. Had they undocked at the same time in a bunch of frigates and/or cruisers they would have turned the tables on us. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.23 02:48:00 -
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If you believe you're being griefed, then you're going to get griefed.
Personally I've never really believed they exist and I've led a relatively grief free life.
Sure I've encountered the odd can-flipper, or the guy who warp scrambles a can outside the station and the can just happens to be named with my character name......but they're just playing a game.
No-one's ever tried to make my life so hard that I want to quit the game. I've had war-decs and such, but again, I don't believe it was to grief me, just a way of playing the game.
I've seen the occasiional real griefer, trying to bait newbs outside a starter station, but the GMs move them on fairly quickly. On the whole, they don't really exist in any meaningful way.
______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University |
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.08.23 07:54:00 -
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I have never been "griefed" in Eve. How can this be you ask? Simple: Whatever I do, I am prepared for it and have common sense:
1) When I mined in Highsec, I still jetcan mined, but did it in a quiet system with minimal jumps/day. I also get a friend to haul for me, so the can was always empty except for a single unit of ore.
2) When I did missions, I did them in quiet areas, and usually had another person salvage for me. Ninja salvagers can't bother you if there isn't any loot there. They also won't bother you if you are not in a popular system. You can also just say screw the loot and go after bounties only to do missions faster. Then let them have the crappy loot, who cares? It is actually amusing watching a ninja talk smack in local, and try to bait you to no end, while you laugh at him wasting his time because you aren't talking back and don't care about the loot. I have even seen ninjas get themselves concorded or killed by my mission's rats lol.
3) When you are wardecced, you don't give the enemy easy kills, and you don't talk to them in local. If you give them amusement, then they will continue to wardec you. You can also avoid a wardec by being in an NPC corp, although I personally think fighting them is more fun.
4) When you are looking at contracts, make sure you read them carefully so you won't be scammed. If you are trading with someone make sure that the trade has all the items you expect.
5) if you have to haul valuable items, then use a courier, or a covert hauler. If you use a slow tech 1 hauler and you are AFK, then you are asking for someone to suicide you for the goods.
6) newbies don't have anything worth stealing for the most part, so unless you whine all the time, talk smack in local, ask for trouble, etc. people will leave you alone. |
Rath Blazit
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:00:00 -
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Basil is either a troll or mentally handicapped.
And Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 23/08/2010 14:02:36
If anything bad happens to you in EVE, it was your own fault.
I'm a miner/industrialist. I've lost billions to other players. Each time I learned something.
Sure I bitcjh and swear for a while after a loss, but then I come to my senses, pick myself up and dust myself off, and go forward with more experience.
About the best piece of advice I can give is that EVE is not like other games. Everything is replaceable; don't get attached to the pixels.
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Vaul Taic
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rath Blazit Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:25:00 -
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I'm also quite amazed by this. When I was a noob I didn't a single problem. The first time I lost a ship to another player was when I started living borderlands and 0.0 and and even those losses came after months.
You must be doing something wrong. Stop whining. |
Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/08/2010 14:50:08 Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/08/2010 14:49:40
Originally by: Ealthor
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
stuffz
I have to second this post, the most important thing:
Dont't smack and cry in local if something dosent go your way.
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:21:00 -
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There are two possibilities for this topic:
1. Troll topic
2. OP has no business playing EVE
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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:56:00 -
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Will you please either tell us specifics of what happened so we can help you or stop threatening to quit and just do it? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH. |
Zanzbar
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:39:00 -
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Not everyone who does somting that frustrates you is specificaly doing it to greif you, most have motives behind their actions that realy have nothing at all to do with you. Eve is very pvp oriented with all but a few of the t2 ship classes being desighned for a specific role in a pvp fleet providing new and more interesting ways to kill eachother.
Even industry is tied in with pvp as majority of an industrialists clients are pvp pilots and their victim, without them their is no supply to meet your demand and your prfoits suffer greatly. So in a cruel ironic way industrialist need the pvpers as much as the pvp needs them to build them ships,that's just the cuthroat nature of eve and the sooner you accept this the more fun you will have
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vaul Taic
Originally by: Rath Blazit Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
Dude, your....hood?
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:05:00 -
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Be aware that for every "you call griefing" there is a counter here in eve.
If you get a little more specific we will be happy to provide proper technics.
And the usual trolls will be here as well, so lets hope you are not trolling us.
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Creepy CousinRoger
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:15:00 -
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8/10, much better than the usual quality of Trolling one finds here.
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.24 22:56:00 -
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spinning in a station is griefer -free :) SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:36:00 -
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All of Eve is griefer-safe. Every last system. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Chiana Moro
Dark Shadow Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.25 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Or yes,
If you behave sensibly in Eve you will not be griefed - more or less. Don't mine during official Hulkageddon ... Don't shoot can flippers. Don't mission in low sec. Don't smack war targets in local. Always check contracts in Jita to see that they are what it says on the can. (Or even outside of Jita). Then of course don't visit PvP space.
Your definition of griefers would most likely differ from mine. I would be a griefer to you, although not to other pvp'ers.
Use your bloody head, learn the game mechanics and stop whining.
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whiteshark12
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:13:00 -
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only grief-free place is sitting in station with the chat windows closed
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Squid Prime
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away). EVE is just not for me.
No EVE for you!
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:12:00 -
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Considering that the biggest griefers in the game are the developers, no there is no where safe in the game.
Most of the activities that would be considered griefplay in other games are intended game mechanics in EVE. Further any requests to balance certain inequities are almost universally met with the HTFU response.
It's like Ninja salvaging and mission completion item theft. The mechanic completely favors the "griefer" in this case they aren't doing anything that requires any great skill. It doesn't require them to be great PVPers or be particularly stealthy or use any real skill beyond operating scan probes because the way the game is designed the mission runner has no recourse.
Further even in the cases where the thieves do something that would give aggression the missioner would be stupid to act on it thanks to the way the mission system is designed to make efficient PVE setups completely ineffective in PVP.
and that's just one example.
Then again if you accept that it's that kind of game and adapt to it then it can be quite fun. I recently ganked my first hulk the guy had been threatening a corp mates alt for mining in "his" system. We finally found the guy in a .5 system took a small gang of Destroyers and suicided his hulk. It was quite satisfying.
This is a game where people will scan you down suicide your shinny ship and then destroy your pod they will then hunt down your home station and camp you until you go back to wow. It's the kind of game.
It can however be a hell of a lot of fun but you've got to have the right kind of attitude.
I was going to say you either become a predator or your a victim but that isn't entirely true. One can also play a smart prey and frustrate the predators by avoiding their claws.
Of course I think it's infinitely more satisfying to reduce their ships to wreckage.
and while the game will never be "griefer" safe there are ways to minimize your risks. One get away from the hubs and populated systems. Griefers like to be efficient too so they play the odds like everyone else. The greater the concentration of potential victims the more attractive the area becomes for them.
Avoid autopilot, don't agress that ninja who just looted your mission. If he looted he's wanting to fight and these guys are generally risk adverse so if he's wanting to fight he's pretty damned sure he can take you.
Don't get too attached to your stuff. Don't fly... hell don't buy anything you aren't willing to lose. Consider every ship and all it's contents and fittings lost the second it un-docks and count it as a bonus if it makes it back into a station.
Get into some fights with some stuff you can bear to part with. Nothing will get you past combat shakes faster than a little combat. Join EVE U or a good newb friendly player corp so you can learn the ropes from some experienced players.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:58:00 -
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I've recently poking my nose back into Eve, but this question was common before I took my break (and has been since inception....)
I've spend years living in 0.0, and I've spent time living in Empire. I've hardcore carebeared, and taken part in 0.0 fleet battles as part of a hardcore pvp alliance.
Truth told, I'd like to see things a bit safer for empire hugging carebears that don't like pvp (I'm serious), but I also remember that Eve was designed DELIBERATELY as a PERSISTENT pvp game.
Just like all other Eve players, I know for a 100% fact that if CCP adopted all MY ideas, the game would be perfect. But baring CCP's recognition of my obvious genius at game design, they've done a decent job.... (could be improved, but for that they'd need to impliment my brillant ideas....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey All of Eve is griefer-safe. Every last system.
This is exactly right.
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