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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 07:47:20
So far all things I tried in eve (1.5 months here) are overloaded with griefers.
Every thing I tried in EVE so far which seemed fun was ruined by them.
So, the question is - Is there some place in EVE a newbie can occupy and be griefer-safe at?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:59:00 -
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I've played for years and haven't been griefed even once. Either you are doing it horribly wrong or you are mistaking interaction and PvP as griefing.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:17:00 -
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I hear people talking about it, but I've never been entirely sure how one does get oneself 'griefed'. Can you give me some tips? How did you do it?
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:43:00 -
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I can't figure that out myself. In an npc corp you fear nothing but suicide ganks so long as you're in empire (which every month-old newbie should be unless he plans to go balls-to-the-walls and pvp from the get-go). You won't be flying a ship at that point that's worth suiciding, so you essentially have nothing to fear at this juncture.
Months later you join some newb player corp, you then have to put up with war decs, but you can always jump back to the safety of npc corp if the water gets too hot. Barring that, you can just not smack local in jita and generally you wont see a day of grief even in the dumbest newb corp.
I get the feeling the general "I got griefed" newb's life goes something like this:
Day1 - proceed to shoot the first person to touch my jet-can (I'm an angry miner!)
Week1 - proceed to join player corp of like-minded dolts so you can have strength in numbers (lol?)
Month1 - jump into lowsec, get popped, smack and cry in local or direct to the player and get a wardec in reply
etc- continue to act indignant to the idea that your actions have in any way brought griefers to you
Honestly, even the most tear-hungry griefers i'm aware of don't waste all that much time pounding rookies. The last time my corp wardec'd a gaggle of brand newbs it was because they came into our (lowsec) system for a mining op and proceeded to give us no end of laughs as they died and screamed at us in local.
Moral of the story: there are plenty of ways to avoid grief. You practically have to go out of your way to get griefed in EVE. So long as you dont: loan isk, give your corp control over to someone else, or otherwise put yourself in danger for no reason, you'll be fine.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Irae Ragwan
I can't figure that out myself. In an npc corp you fear nothing but suicide ganks so long as you're in empire (which every month-old newbie should be unless he plans to go balls-to-the-walls and pvp from the get-go). You won't be flying a ship at that point that's worth suiciding, so you essentially have nothing to fear at this juncture.
Months later you join some newb player corp, you then have to put up with war decs, but you can always jump back to the safety of npc corp if the water gets too hot. Barring that, you can just not smack local in jita and generally you wont see a day of grief even in the dumbest newb corp.
I get the feeling the general "I got griefed" newb's life goes something like this:
Day1 - proceed to shoot the first person to touch my jet-can (I'm an angry miner!)
Week1 - proceed to join player corp of like-minded dolts so you can have strength in numbers (lol?)
Month1 - jump into lowsec, get popped, smack and cry in local or direct to the player and get a wardec in reply
etc- continue to act indignant to the idea that your actions have in any way brought griefers to you
Honestly, even the most tear-hungry griefers i'm aware of don't waste all that much time pounding rookies. The last time my corp wardec'd a gaggle of brand newbs it was because they came into our (lowsec) system for a mining op and proceeded to give us no end of laughs as they died and screamed at us in local.
Moral of the story: there are plenty of ways to avoid grief. You practically have to go out of your way to get griefed in EVE. So long as you dont: loan isk, give your corp control over to someone else, or otherwise put yourself in danger for no reason, you'll be fine.
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
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Ealthor
Amarr
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
lol.
Mining is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec
2) Try not to jetcan mine. Try a large secure container if you must.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Missioning is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec.
2) Don't shoot people who come in to ninja-salvage or loot.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Being in a PC missioner/miner corp is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec
2) Don't join a group of angry children who smack and cry in local when something doesn't go their way.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Living outside of Highsec is griefer safe if you:
1) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Sure, people will try to steal your stuff or blow you up if it seems profitable but that's not griefing and so long as you don't aggravate them they'll just go on about their merry way.
I personally have done a bit of mining, missioning, low and null-seccing and can't say I've been griefed. I've been blown up (Once when I was a noob I got blown up while ratting in lowsec, took it well and the bloke who sploded me reimbursed my ship 5x over), can flipped and had chaps bait me in missions (that was fairly funny, I wish they'd be more imaginative).
Only smack if you KNOW that you can back up your words with in-game actions.
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 21/08/2010 09:22:47
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
Can't you just explain what happened?
If you stay in the NPC corp for a while and don't go to lowsec too often nothing will happen in most cases. I'm playing for 7-8 months now (with 2 accounts) and except for the occasional loss because of wardecs when in a player corp (my miner/indy char) not any of my characters have been suicide ganked, killed in lowsec or canflipped at all (well that's cheating as I hate can mining so I never do it).
It really isn't that bad, unless you're doing reckless things that mark you as very easy prey EVE isn't that dangerous for rookies.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:24:00 -
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It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful! 
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
What I and the other posters are trying to get across to you is that being picked at is entirely optional in any part of EVE. It is extremely easy to make choices that completely preclude being picked at. We're more than willing to advise you of those choices if you're willing to make the effort to apply them.
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Guru'Kha
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Guru''Kha on 21/08/2010 10:04:33
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
What I and the other posters are trying to get across to you is that being picked at is entirely optional in any part of EVE. It is extremely easy to make choices that completely preclude being picked at. We're more than willing to advise you of those choices if you're willing to make the effort to apply them.
Wise words Indeed.
Stay in highsec, watch your mouth and accept the occasional loss, if your willing to engage. This is Eve, not a soft cuddly word.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
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Ealthor
Amarr
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
So... because you can't do/say stupid things in EVE without worrying about consequences you don't want to play?
You're right, EVE isn't for you.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
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VinLieger
StoneDogS
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ealthor
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
So... because you can't do/say stupid things in EVE without worrying about consequences you don't want to play?
You're right, EVE isn't for you.
This. The new player forum is normally very nice to ppl compared to the rest of the forums and people go out of their way to help but when you refuse to accept that help or acknowledge that its your fault then its pretty obvious eve is not for you
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Generals4
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
A: I can accept some loss when there's some win. So far my EVE life was everyday's loss and almost no win.
B: It happened actually. Twice. With all the wreck stolen. That's pretty surprising, isn't it?
C: WoW is never an option.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:42:00 -
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In Eve, you have to be streetwise. If you are, you'll enjoy the game. If you aren't, you will meet people who are. Many people are looking for an opportunity to get you - the obvious solution is not to give them an opportunity.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Generals4 on 21/08/2010 10:43:59
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Generals4
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
A: I can accept some loss when there's some win. So far my EVE life was everyday's loss and almost no win.
B: It happened actually. Twice. With all the wreck stolen. That's pretty surprising, isn't it?
C: WoW is never an option.
B: Than you must have done something wrong. It never happened to me , neither my friends who play EvE. The only time it actually happened was because i got can-stolen and thought it was a good idea to fight back in a Mining-fitted osprey . But like i said: can mining is a big exception.
EDIT: well add to B that transporting very valuable goods can make you a target of suicide killers as well . If you want to transport very valuable goods you better have a tanking capable ship.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:14:00 -
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Greifer Safe for a small corp? Quiet Lowsec. Granted, it's 'dangerous' and you'll probably lose the odd ship, but the chances you'll be singled out for greif play are far, far lower.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:15:00 -
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Yeah that Mexallon must have been very valuable...
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William Walker
Amarr
House Celtae
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:24:00 -
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Griefing is when you get harassed time and time again and the people not only harass you by killing your ships but also verbally and with threats.
If you just get killed once by some crazy guy in highsec that is not griefing. If you get your jetcan stolen then you should rethink your methods.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Yeah that Mexallon must have been very valuable...
Well then you got bad luck , i have already carried more than a mill mex to jita and nover got blown up or even locked . And yes **** happens , but its not because it happened it always does . Far from it
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.08.21 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Don't smack. Join another corp one with older players who can teach you. Don't smack. Join EVE university they can teach you. Don't smack.
From my memory if you play any game and proceed to irritate people it will not go well.
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Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:12:00 -
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The same guy with black avatars has been trolling this section for 2 weeks now.
Dont feed the troll.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
You're absolutely correct in what you say. The tens of thousands of us who play the game quite happily only do so because we're entirely masochistic. Thank you for enlightening us.
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Hai Karamba
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:31:00 -
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For new players.
Perhaps another oft-unstated point about 'griefing' is that even if you don't smacktalk or act like an arse, when you do get ganked, ninjad, podded or just loose out in some way - if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response.
Often it is better to just be quiet if all you can say is 'that sucks', or 'Where did all those remote-repping alts-come from?'.
It is not always obvious to High-sec industrial or mission/tradey type players (not saying carebares - oops I said it) that a lot of players just want to get more 'points' on their particular kill counting forum or whatever, and they don't care about style or kudos. If you register on thier radar or stick in thier minds as a bit of a joke they will come for you for ****s and giggles - and points on their kill list. This stilll isn't griefing, but it is nasty and to avoid the attention of such people just take losses silently if you can't avoid either moaning or trying to pretend 'that never hurt' nosily in local.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:31:00 -
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Let me put it this way... for most of us (the ones that have been playing for some time anyway), the fact you can never automatically be completely 100% safe anywhere is one of the main attractions of EVE.
You know, the attraction of not being safe yet still getting away unharmed (or even victorious).
But you're right, EVE isn't for everybody.
You need to have an ever so slightly thick skin to fully enjoy EVE.
If you're particularly thin-skinned and afraid even of your own shadow, EVE is certainly not for you.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:31:00 -
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"Griefing" is something that only exists inside the "victim's" head.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.21 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 21/08/2010 21:03:35
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Anyone buying accounts?
Trolling Newb forums?
Nice.
6/10 because I think most posters took you seriously.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:45:00 -
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Basil... don't lose heart. This is a very cutthroat game from the get-go and there will always be periods where you seem to make little headway. Hell, even a year on I still find myself in such situations.
My advice? Look around for and attach yourself to some "newb friendly" veterans. That's what I did. With those "vets" I learned a lot about the game (from skill optimization, to fitting advice, to tactics) in a relatively short period of time.
You can even learn from your enemies (i.e. the people "griefing" you). Convo them and see what they want or any tips they can provide to help you do better "next time." Do well enough and they might even recruit you. 
Also... just to clarify... when I say "veteran" I don't mean someone who has played the game for a long time... rather, someone who has experienced many styles of play and KNOWS what he/she is talking about. There many 2 or 3 year old players who don't know how to do much beyond their little niche and can be easily picked apart by a bunch of month old newbies who are organized well enough.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 21/08/2010 21:03:35
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Anyone buying accounts?
Trolling Newb forums?
Nice.
6/10 because I think most posters took you seriously.
I can assure you I have never posted on this board before.
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Rath Marr
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:26:00 -
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I've played a bunch of MMORPG's. Many of them with grief-proof newbie areas, most of them so carebeary that there was no danger from any player ever. Having done those, I have come to appreciate the method to Eve's madness. I've been ganked before, but never griefed; and each time I was ganked, it was 100% my fault.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
I can assure you I have never posted on this board before.
Newtroll is new.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Hell's Librarians
Imperium Directive
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Posted - 2010.08.22 15:40:00 -
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Eve is a 100% PvP game, by design.
In order to attempt to play outside that basic mechanic, you're going to have to make some accommodations in your play style.
Your (OP) description of events fits the term "PvP" rather than "grieving."
Peruse the EULA and ToS for specific definition of "grieving."
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
Yep the 360000 people in this game dont play it.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:47:00 -
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Yes, there are a lot of immature people with weak personality and low self-esteem that get their jollies by picking on noobs. Everyone want to be able to influence their environment, and those that can't build settle for destroying. No different than losers that spray grafitti or otherwise valdalize what others have worked to build.
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move.
They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems.
They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems.
They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up.
They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Yes, there are a lot of immature people with weak personality and low self-esteem that get their jollies by picking on noobs. Everyone want to be able to influence their environment, and those that can't build settle for destroying. No different than losers that spray grafitti or otherwise valdalize what others have worked to build.
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move.
They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems.
They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems.
They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up.
They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
Seriously? what you just said accounts to "YOU DONT PLAY THIS GAME THE WAY I DO SO YOU MUST BE A JERK"
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Ignore them.
They flip your can, move.
They scan you down in mission and steal the objective and try to ransom it back to you, fail the mission and do a few more to get the standings back. Stop missioning in the busiest systems.
They scan you down, steel your loot and salvage your wrecks, mission in less busy systems.
They war dec you, just take down your POS and stay docked up.
They gank you, don't take large loads of valuable stuff in easily popped ships.
Most of the advice you give is sound.
With missions, yes; don't do them in busy areas where there are bound to be dozens of ninja salvagers. With hauling, yes; don't fly around valuable stuff unless you have the proper defenses for it. With mining, yes; do not provoke back when they flip you... just have a dedicated hauler to ferry your ores back to station.
However, with regards to war-decs... I take issue with that advice. No matter how "well equipped" the enemies are you are never completely defenseless. It's a simple matter of getting everyone to grow a spine, get organized, and laying out a [simple] plan that can outmaneuver and/or outclass one's opponent.
For example: my friend and I were station camping a bunch of miners with a Vengeance and an Arazu. We found it funny because they had upwards of 10 guys in station. Had they undocked at the same time in a bunch of frigates and/or cruisers they would have turned the tables on us.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.23 02:48:00 -
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If you believe you're being griefed, then you're going to get griefed.
Personally I've never really believed they exist and I've led a relatively grief free life.
Sure I've encountered the odd can-flipper, or the guy who warp scrambles a can outside the station and the can just happens to be named with my character name......but they're just playing a game.
No-one's ever tried to make my life so hard that I want to quit the game. I've had war-decs and such, but again, I don't believe it was to grief me, just a way of playing the game.
I've seen the occasiional real griefer, trying to bait newbs outside a starter station, but the GMs move them on fairly quickly. On the whole, they don't really exist in any meaningful way.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 07:54:00 -
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I have never been "griefed" in Eve. How can this be you ask? Simple: Whatever I do, I am prepared for it and have common sense:
1) When I mined in Highsec, I still jetcan mined, but did it in a quiet system with minimal jumps/day. I also get a friend to haul for me, so the can was always empty except for a single unit of ore.
2) When I did missions, I did them in quiet areas, and usually had another person salvage for me. Ninja salvagers can't bother you if there isn't any loot there. They also won't bother you if you are not in a popular system. You can also just say screw the loot and go after bounties only to do missions faster. Then let them have the crappy loot, who cares? It is actually amusing watching a ninja talk smack in local, and try to bait you to no end, while you laugh at him wasting his time because you aren't talking back and don't care about the loot. I have even seen ninjas get themselves concorded or killed by my mission's rats lol.
3) When you are wardecced, you don't give the enemy easy kills, and you don't talk to them in local. If you give them amusement, then they will continue to wardec you. You can also avoid a wardec by being in an NPC corp, although I personally think fighting them is more fun.
4) When you are looking at contracts, make sure you read them carefully so you won't be scammed. If you are trading with someone make sure that the trade has all the items you expect.
5) if you have to haul valuable items, then use a courier, or a covert hauler. If you use a slow tech 1 hauler and you are AFK, then you are asking for someone to suicide you for the goods.
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Rath Blazit
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:00:00 -
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Basil is either a troll or mentally handicapped.
And Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 23/08/2010 14:02:36
If anything bad happens to you in EVE, it was your own fault.
I'm a miner/industrialist. I've lost billions to other players. Each time I learned something.
Sure I bitcjh and swear for a while after a loss, but then I come to my senses, pick myself up and dust myself off, and go forward with more experience.
About the best piece of advice I can give is that EVE is not like other games. Everything is replaceable; don't get attached to the pixels.
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Vaul Taic
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:02:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Rath Blazit
Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:25:00 -
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I'm also quite amazed by this. When I was a noob I didn't a single problem. The first time I lost a ship to another player was when I started living borderlands and 0.0 and and even those losses came after months.
You must be doing something wrong.
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:50:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/08/2010 14:50:08
Edited by: Captain Yifan on 23/08/2010 14:49:40
Originally by: Ealthor
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
stuffz
I have to second this post, the most important thing:
Dont't smack and cry in local if something dosent go your way.
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:21:00 -
[47]
There are two possibilities for this topic:
1. Troll topic
2. OP has no business playing EVE
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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:56:00 -
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Will you please either tell us specifics of what happened so we can help you or stop threatening to quit and just do it? Thanks.
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Zanzbar
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:39:00 -
[49]
Not everyone who does somting that frustrates you is specificaly doing it to greif you, most have motives behind their actions that realy have nothing at all to do with you. Eve is very pvp oriented with all but a few of the t2 ship classes being desighned for a specific role in a pvp fleet providing new and more interesting ways to kill eachother.
Even industry is tied in with pvp as majority of an industrialists clients are pvp pilots and their victim, without them their is no supply to meet your demand and your prfoits suffer greatly. So in a cruel ironic way industrialist need the pvpers as much as the pvp needs them to build them ships,that's just the cuthroat nature of eve and the sooner you accept this the more fun you will have
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:04:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Vaul Taic
Originally by: Rath Blazit
Flesh Slurper has the coolest looking avatar I've ever seen.
Dude, your....hood?
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:05:00 -
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Be aware that for every "you call griefing" there is a counter here in eve.
If you get a little more specific we will be happy to provide proper technics.
And the usual trolls will be here as well, so lets hope you are not trolling us.
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Creepy CousinRoger
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:15:00 -
[52]
8/10, much better than the usual quality of Trolling one finds here.
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.24 22:56:00 -
[53]
spinning in a station is griefer -free :)
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:36:00 -
[54]
All of Eve is griefer-safe. Every last system.
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Chiana Moro
Dark Shadow Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.25 10:10:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Or yes,
If you behave sensibly in Eve you will not be griefed - more or less. Don't mine during official Hulkageddon ...
Don't shoot can flippers.
Don't mission in low sec.
Don't smack war targets in local.
Always check contracts in Jita to see that they are what it says on the can. (Or even outside of Jita).
Then of course don't visit PvP space.
Your definition of griefers would most likely differ from mine. I would be a griefer to you, although not to other pvp'ers.
Use your bloody head, learn the game mechanics and stop whining.
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whiteshark12
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:13:00 -
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only grief-free place is sitting in station with the chat windows closed
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Squid Prime
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:46:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
No EVE for you! 
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:12:00 -
[58]
Considering that the biggest griefers in the game are the developers, no there is no where safe in the game.
Most of the activities that would be considered griefplay in other games are intended game mechanics in EVE. Further any requests to balance certain inequities are almost universally met with the HTFU response.
It's like Ninja salvaging and mission completion item theft. The mechanic completely favors the "griefer" in this case they aren't doing anything that requires any great skill. It doesn't require them to be great PVPers or be particularly stealthy or use any real skill beyond operating scan probes because the way the game is designed the mission runner has no recourse.
Further even in the cases where the thieves do something that would give aggression the missioner would be stupid to act on it thanks to the way the mission system is designed to make efficient PVE setups completely ineffective in PVP.
and that's just one example.
Then again if you accept that it's that kind of game and adapt to it then it can be quite fun. I recently ganked my first hulk the guy had been threatening a corp mates alt for mining in "his" system. We finally found the guy in a .5 system took a small gang of Destroyers and suicided his hulk. It was quite satisfying.
This is a game where people will scan you down suicide your shinny ship and then destroy your pod they will then hunt down your home station and camp you until you go back to wow. It's the kind of game.
It can however be a hell of a lot of fun but you've got to have the right kind of attitude.
I was going to say you either become a predator or your a victim but that isn't entirely true. One can also play a smart prey and frustrate the predators by avoiding their claws.
Of course I think it's infinitely more satisfying to reduce their ships to wreckage.
and while the game will never be "griefer" safe there are ways to minimize your risks. One get away from the hubs and populated systems. Griefers like to be efficient too so they play the odds like everyone else. The greater the concentration of potential victims the more attractive the area becomes for them.
Avoid autopilot, don't agress that ninja who just looted your mission. If he looted he's wanting to fight and these guys are generally risk adverse so if he's wanting to fight he's pretty damned sure he can take you.
Don't get too attached to your stuff. Don't fly... hell don't buy anything you aren't willing to lose. Consider every ship and all it's contents and fittings lost the second it un-docks and count it as a bonus if it makes it back into a station.
Get into some fights with some stuff you can bear to part with. Nothing will get you past combat shakes faster than a little combat. Join EVE U or a good newb friendly player corp so you can learn the ropes from some experienced players.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:58:00 -
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I've recently poking my nose back into Eve, but this question was common before I took my break (and has been since inception....)
I've spend years living in 0.0, and I've spent time living in Empire. I've hardcore carebeared, and taken part in 0.0 fleet battles as part of a hardcore pvp alliance.
Truth told, I'd like to see things a bit safer for empire hugging carebears that don't like pvp (I'm serious), but I also remember that Eve was designed DELIBERATELY as a PERSISTENT pvp game.
Just like all other Eve players, I know for a 100% fact that if CCP adopted all MY ideas, the game would be perfect. But baring CCP's recognition of my obvious genius at game design, they've done a decent job.... (could be improved, but for that they'd need to impliment my brillant ideas....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:40:00 -
[60]
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
All of Eve is griefer-safe. Every last system.
This is exactly right.
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Silent Shaz
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Posted - 2010.08.27 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Silent Shaz on 27/08/2010 05:20:38
CrazyKinux is running griefing as the latest Eve Blog Banter topic. There is much in the way of interesting posts on the topic. You can even start here if you want: http://evilsilents.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/blog-banter-20-the-joy-of-loss/
To the OP, I've skimmed the entire thread and I couldn't see where you listed what happened to you that you consider griefing. Can you expand? it sounds at this point that you define any interaction with another player where you lose something as griefing. Unfortunately Eve is a PvP MMO, and as such isn't really suited to those who want to be left alone and safe.
In all honesty you're better off with WoW if that's what you want - but I hope you keep giving Eve a try because when you let go of the safety bubble, you realise that you too can be one of the sharks and there's a whole lot of potential in that.
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Liralynn
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Posted - 2010.08.28 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Liralynn on 28/08/2010 06:20:12
It's funny you should mention that. I've been thinking that some of you vets that say "it's not griefing" don't really know anymore what's griefing, such as the following:
Originally by: Hai Karamba
For new players.
Perhaps another oft-unstated point about 'griefing' is that even if you don't smacktalk or act like an arse, when you do get ganked, ninjad, podded or just loose out in some way - if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response.
Often it is better to just be quiet if all you can say is 'that sucks', or 'Where did all those remote-repping alts-come from?'.
It is not always obvious to High-sec industrial or mission/tradey type players (not saying carebares - oops I said it) that a lot of players just want to get more 'points' on their particular kill counting forum or whatever, and they don't care about style or kudos. If you register on thier radar or stick in thier minds as a bit of a joke they will come for you for ****s and giggles - and points on their kill list. This stilll isn't griefing, but it is nasty and to avoid the attention of such people just take losses silently if you can't avoid either moaning or trying to pretend 'that never hurt' nosily in local.
"if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response."
Um, the people who "get off on that kind of response" is a griefer. The definition of griefer is someone who enjoys causing grief.
Having said that, I'm a newb, less than 3 weeks old, and haven't been griefed yet. I'm a major carebear. My idea of fun in solo games is city building, and in MMO's I'm always a crafter and a healer.
So I've been cautious about Eve, and wouldn't have tried it at all, except that I've gotten bored with other games, and none of the stuff I haven't tried appeals to me. So my husband mentioned that he read that Eve was described as "Spreadsheets in Space" - ooohhh, spreadsheets! That's right up my alley.
So I give it a try. Within about 2 and half weeks, I've got about 30 newbie ships from doing the tutorials for each faction and enough ISK to buy AND fit about 50 more. Hmmm. I can afford to lose a ship or two. Then reminisced about some care bear games I've played.
In Eve, I haven't died within minutes of character creation by falling out of the tree where I was born.
I haven't been killed in a newbie zone by a griffon 30 levels higher than me who was invulnerable to weapons except ones that I won't find for another 10-15 levels. While in a building which prevented me from attacking back. Not that I had any chance if I could.
I haven't died, ending up naked, hungry, and losing hours of EXP, because all my gear is on my corpse, which is being camped by the mobs that killed me. Behind a locked door that I can't open because the key is on my corpse.
I haven't been caught in an infinite death loop, being killed over and over again by NPC guards, because I didn't make it to a safe insurance point after switching factions and the guards at my old home were really unhappy about me switching. Ironically, the ability for player griefers to camp spawn points had been removed a few years before.
So Eve doesn't seem so bad in comparison, especially since the game seems to be designed to make sure us carebears are adequately compensated for giving the griefers some fun. So far, my little Punisher hasn't attracted any attention, and if it does, *shrug*, I can buy over 50 more.
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Posted - 2010.08.28 23:04:00 -
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To the above:
In Eve there is NO corpse to run back to, it's been salvaged and looted (unless you mission, safely).
Nothing is safe in Eve, not Skillpoints, not Iskies.
to OP: Welcome to Griefers online. Seems the Eve playerbase has a different definition of griefing compared to other games.
If a rogue 50 levels higher kills your newbie, you are being griefed. If a player with 20 mil SP kills your newb char in Eve, he is "a good player", capitalizing on opportunities where they arise.
Don't waste time if you don't like it
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Vajra Spear
Gallente
Liquor and Scrap Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.29 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vajra Spear on 29/08/2010 04:36:16
Edited by: Vajra Spear on 29/08/2010 04:35:56
Originally by: Liralynn
Edited by: Liralynn on 28/08/2010 06:28:55
Edited by: Liralynn on 28/08/2010 06:20:12
It's funny you should mention that. I've been thinking that some of you vets that say "it's not griefing" don't really know anymore what's griefing, such as the following:
Originally by: Hai Karamba
For new players.
Perhaps another oft-unstated point about 'griefing' is that even if you don't smacktalk or act like an arse, when you do get ganked, ninjad, podded or just loose out in some way - if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response.
Often it is better to just be quiet if all you can say is 'that sucks', or 'Where did all those remote-repping alts-come from?'.
It is not always obvious to High-sec industrial or mission/tradey type players (not saying carebares - oops I said it) that a lot of players just want to get more 'points' on their particular kill counting forum or whatever, and they don't care about style or kudos. If you register on thier radar or stick in thier minds as a bit of a joke they will come for you for ****s and giggles - and points on their kill list. This stilll isn't griefing, but it is nasty and to avoid the attention of such people just take losses silently if you can't avoid either moaning or trying to pretend 'that never hurt' nosily in local.
"if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response."
Um, the people who "get off on that kind of response" is a griefer. The definition of griefer is someone who enjoys causing grief.
The point is that pilots who kill you, rob you, scam you or generally have characters that make your EVE-life difficult may not be griefers, they may just be playing EVE in a way which aggrieves you personnally - it is natural after all for pirates to conflict with haulers etc and because EVE is the great free PVP sandbox that it is there are going to be lots of creative variations on this.
However, for most of us it is part of the fun and even with all the acting hard and heartless, the fun is intended to be mutual. Yarr!. After all, what fun would hauling be without pirates? What fun would mining be without rats, or other PC baddies? What fun would running a corp be without competition? What fun would pirating be without Merc Defense Gangs and Revenge Posses?
But if you whine in local, or the forums, or whatever then you will attract those who *ARE* griefers, those who *do* get off on you having a bad time, and that is to be avoided. Because for one thing, who wants to attract them to EVE?
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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vajra Spear
The point is that pilots who kill you, rob you, scam you or generally have characters that make your EVE-life difficult may not be griefers, they may just be playing EVE in a way which aggrieves you personnally - it is natural after all for pirates to conflict with haulers etc and because EVE is the great free PVP sandbox that it is there are going to be lots of creative variations on this.
VS
To repeat: A griefer is someeone who gets off on making life difficult for other players without any other gain. The fact that someone is playing a character ingame who gets off on making life difficult for other players does not stop them being a griefer. They are just a griefer playing a griefer.
If you indulge in PvP you are being a griefer unless you:
- Are defending yourself
- Hope and expect to benefit economically, directly or indirectly, from the attack
- Hope to establish a social connection
- Seek to establish or defend a territorial claim
- Seek to establish competitive superiority with a foe of equal or greater potential, and thereby to build reputation
There are players, corporations and alliances in this game who exist solely for the purpose of griefing. One of the things you need to learn is that that will always be the case, and often they lay claim to some spurious strain of one of the above if challenged.
However they are much, much rarer than the OP is implying. Much more often they are part of the list above and you have strayed into something for which you were unprepared. If a heavyweight champion stands in a bar whacking anyone that passes, that would be griefing. If you wander into the ring with them you have no-one to blame but yourself.
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Vajra Spear
Gallente
Liquor and Scrap Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vajra Spear on 29/08/2010 23:33:06
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Vajra Spear
The point is that pilots who kill you, rob you, scam you or generally have characters that make your EVE-life difficult may not be griefers, they may just be playing EVE in a way which aggrieves you personnally - it is natural after all for pirates to conflict with haulers etc and because EVE is the great free PVP sandbox that it is there are going to be lots of creative variations on this.
VS
To repeat: A griefer is someeone who gets off on making life difficult for other players without any other gain. The fact that someone is playing a character ingame who gets off on making life difficult for other players does not stop them being a griefer. They are just a griefer playing a griefer.
I agree. That is my point.
A griefer is someone whos intention is to make, life, or the gameplay experience for players a bad one - whether they are playing in character or not.
However there is no doubt that the assumption in EVE is that a player is going to enjoy PVP, it is going to be mutual fun. It is why they are playing EVE.
So most of the players engage in PVP so that everyone can enjoy playing EVE. Those who do it for the purpose of causing another player mental pain in any way for whatever reason, in or out of character are griefers. yes. I agree.
These are the people we do not want to attract to EVE - it is just not fun playing with them. The same as it is not fun playing with bullies.
On the other hand, it IS fun - and indeed neccesarry for someone to play the bad guy in a game of cops and robbers, and if someone is going to play cops and robbers and then accuse the robbers of being griefers then that is insulting, and thay will loose friends and no-one will want to play with them and it is also sad because the people playing the robbers were doing it so that everyone, especially the people they are actually interacting with at the time, can have fun and be happy, and if that is not why they are playing EVE for, to have fun, then why exactly are they playing it?
The reason I post in these threads - even though they keep turning up and the same things keep being said over and over, is because it is important in EVE to correctly and usefully, and appropriately be clear about the difference between griefers and players, because the whole point of games is to have fun. God knows life is hard enough as it is, we need to enjoy our fun time.
And if we are playing a game and someone is not enjoying it, and we allow that to continue without saying anything - we may even get off on it, then that is abuse. Abuse is *bad*.
Playing games and having fun is *good*.
If the players do not agree on these definitions before they start playing then people will end up crying. Crying is *bad*
So clear definitions have been made, by CCP and repeatedly by the players, so that pain and suffering can be avoided.
:)
<edit> Sorry for the rant Tranka - I didn't read your post properly the first time around and I got the wrong end of the stick 
Anyway I will leave it here - someone emay enjoy reading it  <edit>
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.08.30 01:03:00 -
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Hey OP, come on in the water is fine. It's more fun to be a piraħa than a baitfish. Sure we still have to keep our eyes peeled for the big sharks, but we don't really get much grief. Only "new, emergent forms of game play" in which we are happy to participate.
Ninja Extravaganza, Strategies for Ninja Salvagers
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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.08.30 12:12:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Vajra Spear
<edit> Sorry for the rant Tranka - I didn't read your post properly the first time around and I got the wrong end of the stick
Anyway I will leave it here - someone emay enjoy reading it <edit>
Small tip: If you are going to post a lot please leave a line between your paragraphs to break them up. I don't know about anyone else but I find your walls of text quite hard to read.
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Liralynn
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Posted - 2010.08.30 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina
To the above:
In Eve there is NO corpse to run back to, it's been salvaged and looted (unless you mission, safely).
Yeah, but my point was also that it's so easy to replace equipment in Eve compared to old school Carebear games.
As I mentioned above, I'm a diehard Carebear (is that an oxymoron? ;)), but after spending only a few weeks in Eve, as much as I hate to admit it, it's clear the economy would be toast if it weren't so easy to lose equipment. The first to suffer would be the crafters and the people who supply them, both of which are occupations that interest me.
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