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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 07:47:20
So far all things I tried in eve (1.5 months here) are overloaded with griefers.
Every thing I tried in EVE so far which seemed fun was ruined by them.
So, the question is - Is there some place in EVE a newbie can occupy and be griefer-safe at?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:59:00 -
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I've played for years and haven't been griefed even once. Either you are doing it horribly wrong or you are mistaking interaction and PvP as griefing.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:17:00 -
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I hear people talking about it, but I've never been entirely sure how one does get oneself 'griefed'. Can you give me some tips? How did you do it?
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:43:00 -
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I can't figure that out myself. In an npc corp you fear nothing but suicide ganks so long as you're in empire (which every month-old newbie should be unless he plans to go balls-to-the-walls and pvp from the get-go). You won't be flying a ship at that point that's worth suiciding, so you essentially have nothing to fear at this juncture.
Months later you join some newb player corp, you then have to put up with war decs, but you can always jump back to the safety of npc corp if the water gets too hot. Barring that, you can just not smack local in jita and generally you wont see a day of grief even in the dumbest newb corp.
I get the feeling the general "I got griefed" newb's life goes something like this:
Day1 - proceed to shoot the first person to touch my jet-can (I'm an angry miner!)
Week1 - proceed to join player corp of like-minded dolts so you can have strength in numbers (lol?)
Month1 - jump into lowsec, get popped, smack and cry in local or direct to the player and get a wardec in reply
etc- continue to act indignant to the idea that your actions have in any way brought griefers to you
Honestly, even the most tear-hungry griefers i'm aware of don't waste all that much time pounding rookies. The last time my corp wardec'd a gaggle of brand newbs it was because they came into our (lowsec) system for a mining op and proceeded to give us no end of laughs as they died and screamed at us in local.
Moral of the story: there are plenty of ways to avoid grief. You practically have to go out of your way to get griefed in EVE. So long as you dont: loan isk, give your corp control over to someone else, or otherwise put yourself in danger for no reason, you'll be fine.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Irae Ragwan
I can't figure that out myself. In an npc corp you fear nothing but suicide ganks so long as you're in empire (which every month-old newbie should be unless he plans to go balls-to-the-walls and pvp from the get-go). You won't be flying a ship at that point that's worth suiciding, so you essentially have nothing to fear at this juncture.
Months later you join some newb player corp, you then have to put up with war decs, but you can always jump back to the safety of npc corp if the water gets too hot. Barring that, you can just not smack local in jita and generally you wont see a day of grief even in the dumbest newb corp.
I get the feeling the general "I got griefed" newb's life goes something like this:
Day1 - proceed to shoot the first person to touch my jet-can (I'm an angry miner!)
Week1 - proceed to join player corp of like-minded dolts so you can have strength in numbers (lol?)
Month1 - jump into lowsec, get popped, smack and cry in local or direct to the player and get a wardec in reply
etc- continue to act indignant to the idea that your actions have in any way brought griefers to you
Honestly, even the most tear-hungry griefers i'm aware of don't waste all that much time pounding rookies. The last time my corp wardec'd a gaggle of brand newbs it was because they came into our (lowsec) system for a mining op and proceeded to give us no end of laughs as they died and screamed at us in local.
Moral of the story: there are plenty of ways to avoid grief. You practically have to go out of your way to get griefed in EVE. So long as you dont: loan isk, give your corp control over to someone else, or otherwise put yourself in danger for no reason, you'll be fine.
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
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Ealthor
Amarr
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
lol.
Mining is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec
2) Try not to jetcan mine. Try a large secure container if you must.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Missioning is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec.
2) Don't shoot people who come in to ninja-salvage or loot.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Being in a PC missioner/miner corp is griefer-safe if you:
1) Do it in Highsec
2) Don't join a group of angry children who smack and cry in local when something doesn't go their way.
3) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Living outside of Highsec is griefer safe if you:
1) Don't smack and cry in local if something doesn't go your way.
Sure, people will try to steal your stuff or blow you up if it seems profitable but that's not griefing and so long as you don't aggravate them they'll just go on about their merry way.
I personally have done a bit of mining, missioning, low and null-seccing and can't say I've been griefed. I've been blown up (Once when I was a noob I got blown up while ratting in lowsec, took it well and the bloke who sploded me reimbursed my ship 5x over), can flipped and had chaps bait me in missions (that was fairly funny, I wish they'd be more imaginative).
Only smack if you KNOW that you can back up your words with in-game actions.
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 21/08/2010 09:22:47
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
So, my question has no answer. Thank you, now I know I will get griefed no matter what I do.
Anyone buying accounts?
Can't you just explain what happened?
If you stay in the NPC corp for a while and don't go to lowsec too often nothing will happen in most cases. I'm playing for 7-8 months now (with 2 accounts) and except for the occasional loss because of wardecs when in a player corp (my miner/indy char) not any of my characters have been suicide ganked, killed in lowsec or canflipped at all (well that's cheating as I hate can mining so I never do it).
It really isn't that bad, unless you're doing reckless things that mark you as very easy prey EVE isn't that dangerous for rookies.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:24:00 -
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It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful! 
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
What I and the other posters are trying to get across to you is that being picked at is entirely optional in any part of EVE. It is extremely easy to make choices that completely preclude being picked at. We're more than willing to advise you of those choices if you're willing to make the effort to apply them.
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Guru'Kha
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Guru''Kha on 21/08/2010 10:04:33
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
What I and the other posters are trying to get across to you is that being picked at is entirely optional in any part of EVE. It is extremely easy to make choices that completely preclude being picked at. We're more than willing to advise you of those choices if you're willing to make the effort to apply them.
Wise words Indeed.
Stay in highsec, watch your mouth and accept the occasional loss, if your willing to engage. This is Eve, not a soft cuddly word.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
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Ealthor
Amarr
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
So... because you can't do/say stupid things in EVE without worrying about consequences you don't want to play?
You're right, EVE isn't for you.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
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VinLieger
StoneDogS
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ealthor
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
So... because you can't do/say stupid things in EVE without worrying about consequences you don't want to play?
You're right, EVE isn't for you.
This. The new player forum is normally very nice to ppl compared to the rest of the forums and people go out of their way to help but when you refuse to accept that help or acknowledge that its your fault then its pretty obvious eve is not for you
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Generals4
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
A: I can accept some loss when there's some win. So far my EVE life was everyday's loss and almost no win.
B: It happened actually. Twice. With all the wreck stolen. That's pretty surprising, isn't it?
C: WoW is never an option.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:42:00 -
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In Eve, you have to be streetwise. If you are, you'll enjoy the game. If you aren't, you will meet people who are. Many people are looking for an opportunity to get you - the obvious solution is not to give them an opportunity.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Generals4 on 21/08/2010 10:43:59
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Generals4
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Well actually the whole point of EvE is the fact there are almost no constraints , but that allows the other players to use their freedoms to ruin your day. Just in case you're not totally hopeless for EvE:
A: Learn to accept losses, a couple of days i lost my Rokh because i had to make 1 single jump through low sec . And that jump was enough. But meh , i dealt with it. Sure i was ****ed but **** happens. And i could have avoid that loss by simply not making that jump to .
B: High Sec lets you do a lot unharmed . While many will say you're never safe , unless you carry 74 plex's in Jita pretty much all of High sec is safe (unless you can mine) . It might happen with the odds of 0.001% that someone suicide kills you but with such a low amount of odds i think we can easily take that out of the equation . So if you want "freedom" stick to High sec, its still a huge world in high sec . And if you want to PvP you still have the option to use a jump clone , buy cheap frigs and go to Null Sec for a while .
C: the Only freedom this game will not give you is being an ass . Well you may be one in theory , but be prepared to fight for your "assery" . But if being an ass is what you seek in an MMO i'd suggest WoW and corpse camping lowbies in a PvP server.
A: I can accept some loss when there's some win. So far my EVE life was everyday's loss and almost no win.
B: It happened actually. Twice. With all the wreck stolen. That's pretty surprising, isn't it?
C: WoW is never an option.
B: Than you must have done something wrong. It never happened to me , neither my friends who play EvE. The only time it actually happened was because i got can-stolen and thought it was a good idea to fight back in a Mining-fitted osprey . But like i said: can mining is a big exception.
EDIT: well add to B that transporting very valuable goods can make you a target of suicide killers as well . If you want to transport very valuable goods you better have a tanking capable ship.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:14:00 -
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Greifer Safe for a small corp? Quiet Lowsec. Granted, it's 'dangerous' and you'll probably lose the odd ship, but the chances you'll be singled out for greif play are far, far lower.
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Basil Pupkin
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:15:00 -
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Yeah that Mexallon must have been very valuable...
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William Walker
Amarr
House Celtae
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:24:00 -
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Griefing is when you get harassed time and time again and the people not only harass you by killing your ships but also verbally and with threats.
If you just get killed once by some crazy guy in highsec that is not griefing. If you get your jetcan stolen then you should rethink your methods.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Yeah that Mexallon must have been very valuable...
Well then you got bad luck , i have already carried more than a mill mex to jita and nover got blown up or even locked . And yes **** happens , but its not because it happened it always does . Far from it
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.08.21 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Edited by: Basil Pupkin on 21/08/2010 10:07:44
Advice is something you seek when you know the answer, and wish you didn't.
With those wise words, I believe it's futile to ask anything beyond what I already got.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I don't see how you can enjoy EVE under those not-picked-at constraints, and there's definitely no way to outside of those.
Don't smack. Join another corp one with older players who can teach you. Don't smack. Join EVE university they can teach you. Don't smack.
From my memory if you play any game and proceed to irritate people it will not go well.
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Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:12:00 -
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The same guy with black avatars has been trolling this section for 2 weeks now.
Dont feed the troll.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
It was exactly as Irae Ragwan said (with corrections and circumstances, but generally not too far away).
EVE is just not for me.
Ok then. But you have to be more careful!
Doesn't matter. Since there's no way to play EVE without being picked at, there is no way to play EVE.
You're absolutely correct in what you say. The tens of thousands of us who play the game quite happily only do so because we're entirely masochistic. Thank you for enlightening us.
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Hai Karamba
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:31:00 -
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For new players.
Perhaps another oft-unstated point about 'griefing' is that even if you don't smacktalk or act like an arse, when you do get ganked, ninjad, podded or just loose out in some way - if you act aggrieved and display your unhappiness then that will attract the kind of people who get off on that kind of response.
Often it is better to just be quiet if all you can say is 'that sucks', or 'Where did all those remote-repping alts-come from?'.
It is not always obvious to High-sec industrial or mission/tradey type players (not saying carebares - oops I said it) that a lot of players just want to get more 'points' on their particular kill counting forum or whatever, and they don't care about style or kudos. If you register on thier radar or stick in thier minds as a bit of a joke they will come for you for ****s and giggles - and points on their kill list. This stilll isn't griefing, but it is nasty and to avoid the attention of such people just take losses silently if you can't avoid either moaning or trying to pretend 'that never hurt' nosily in local.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:31:00 -
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Let me put it this way... for most of us (the ones that have been playing for some time anyway), the fact you can never automatically be completely 100% safe anywhere is one of the main attractions of EVE.
You know, the attraction of not being safe yet still getting away unharmed (or even victorious).
But you're right, EVE isn't for everybody.
You need to have an ever so slightly thick skin to fully enjoy EVE.
If you're particularly thin-skinned and afraid even of your own shadow, EVE is certainly not for you.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:31:00 -
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"Griefing" is something that only exists inside the "victim's" head.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.21 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 21/08/2010 21:03:35
Originally by: Basil Pupkin
Anyone buying accounts?
Trolling Newb forums?
Nice.
6/10 because I think most posters took you seriously.
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