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Pony Tail
Caldari
Martyr's Vengence
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.28 04:29:00 -
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Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
and...........Post
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:15:00 -
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Hybrids have yet to have their moment in the sun.
Patience.
 Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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David88x77
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:54:00 -
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Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that I love Caldari. But as a race in eve, they are screwed. Only race which cannot effectively armor tank a ship... worst weapons systems with crappy bonuses to it.
Look at the bright side though. A drake baits well.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:00:00 -
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Railguns are sadly ineffective at the moment - I mostly blame the weapon tiering. Railguns are the long range weapon. More range means more tracking and higher damage ammo. Top tier guns are the only way you get this, and you _also_ get the highest base damage when you do.
A Rokh is just about a decent railboat, because it can comfortably fit 425mm railguns, along with a MWD and a tank.
The rest of the railboats can't do this, and so they're not very good - once you downsize your guns because of fittings, you end up with neither firepower nor range, and ... so why bother? Just fit lasers to your Ferox instead.
I think the solution would be to rejig hybrids - boost the grid the 'railboats' or adjust top tier rails a bit so they're easier to get on.
Concurrently, redo the 'short range' rails - the dual 150s, dual 250s - to be much more damaging - somewhere between blasters and rails in terms of DPS, fittings and range.
Give me a credible amount of midrange DPS, and a lot of my objections vanish.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 28/08/2010 11:28:44
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Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that I love Caldari. But as a race in eve, they are screwed. Only race which cannot effectively armor tank a ship... worst weapons systems with crappy bonuses to it.
Screwed how? Even their gunboats can be used effectively. AutoFerox, blaster Ferox, Laser Ferox, all work surprisingly well. The Moa is also a surprisingly workable cruiser, and the Rokh is just plain awesome.
Sure rails suck, but it hasn't rendered any of the turret lineup completely useless.
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Look at the bright side though. A drake baits well.
You love Caldari, but you clearly never actually fly them. Here's a hint: train your skills past 3 and stop bringing your passive tanked mission ship to PVP with.
Also if your corp really does nothing but armour roams - perhaps it's time to either cross train or find another corp?
Now, the problem with rails as I see it now - ok, they have a range advantage over the other guns. Trouble is, it's useless. What, really, is the point of being able to shoot 30k or so further than an Apocalypse can at the cost of dps? An Eagle can fire at 150k+ but why would it want to when standard sniper HAC range is around 100?
Ok this does mean you get to use faction ammo in place of tracking crippling t2 but even then you end up on the low end of the damage.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/08/2010 11:31:21
Originally by: Pony Tail
Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
How much damage do the other (equivalent) weapon systems do at that range?
Also, the Caldari supreme pwnership of the galaxy can be summed up in one word: Kaalakiota.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 28/08/2010 11:31:21
Originally by: Pony Tail
Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
How much damage do the other (equivalent) weapon systems do at that range?
Also, the Caldari supreme pwnership of the galaxy can be summed up in one word: Kaalakiota.
over 9000
who cares doing ****ty dmg at range is useless
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Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Torpir Lee on 28/08/2010 12:13:44
Tank. Or if you use your mids to range fit, you can fit in mid-range ammo and have great tracking and good range.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
who cares doing ****ty dmg at range is useless
It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pony Tail
Why do Caldari Rail Guns fail so much in the dps section
Because of Falcon.
No wait that was last year.
I would say because Rails are already a little weak, and because Caldari have fewer damage bonuses compared to the other factions.
Also, it is kinda hard to balance rails, since 2 factions use them. How can you balance one weapon system to make a Rokh and a Mega equal, when one ship doesn't have a damage bonus, nor can it fit 5 sentries.
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
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Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Beverly Sparks
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
That would be true if Gallente snipers were powerful.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Torpir Lee
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
That would be true if Gallente snipers were powerful.
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
Where it suffers is that it has low alpha. So in laggy environments, it's on paper DPS suffers a lot.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torpir Lee on 28/08/2010 14:19:15
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
Where it suffers is that it has low alpha. So in laggy environments, it's on paper DPS suffers a lot.
Sentries are the only way Gallente can pull ahead with sniping. But relying on sentries limits your range severely, and it makes aligning out/kiting while still putting out great DPS not a possibility. Good for stuff like gatecamping, bad for stuff like fleet warfare, which is where snipe BS's/HAC's are used mainly.
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Arkanor
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.28 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 18:46:37
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 18:46:37
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
I fail to see the relevance of your statement.
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Asuze
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:33:00 -
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OK let me translate from English to English for you.
The relevance is simple - why even bother with failtron, when you can perform so much much better with geddon at 60% cost?
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Asuze
OK let me translate from English to English for you.
The relevance is simple - why even bother with failtron, when you can perform so much much better with geddon at 60% cost?
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
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Arkanor
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 21:17:08
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
Originally by: Arkanor
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
Let me clarify:
Originally by: Arkanor
medium range
You know, as in: the range lots of people are fighting at?
Also, consider:
1. Your sentry drones don't mean jack at sniper range
2. Apoc can do sniper range just fine.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 21:17:08
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
Originally by: Arkanor
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
Let me clarify:
Originally by: Arkanor
medium range
You know, as in: the range lots of people are fighting at?
Also, consider:
1. Your sentry drones don't mean jack at sniper range
2. Apoc can do sniper range just fine.
I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
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Actionbastrd
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Posted - 2010.08.29 17:51:00 -
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Personally I love the/my rokh. I just hate having to either sacrifice a lot of tank, dps, or cap to do missions effectively in it. Even with implants. Unless trying to make my cap last atleast 5 minutes is too much.
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Altaica Amur
The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:31:00 -
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It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà
Completely and utterly false, if you switch from spike to a higher damage ammo you're using thorium at less then half the range, if you want a smaller step down in range then you do less damage then spike on an already DPS poor platform.
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I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
Neither do sentries then, which was his point. Megathron is definitly not too powerful in fleet warfare and the Rokh is caught in a 90% uselessly small niche for those who want to out range the opponent with a fleet of Rokhs at 249km.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 29/08/2010 19:09:58
Originally by: Altaica Amur
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It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà
Completely and utterly false, if you switch from spike to a higher damage ammo you're using thorium at less then half the range, if you want a smaller step down in range then you do less damage then spike on an already DPS poor platform.
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I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
Neither do sentries then, which was his point. Megathron is definitly not too powerful in fleet warfare and the Rokh is caught in a 90% uselessly small niche for those who want to out range the opponent with a fleet of Rokhs at 249km.
This. Try fitting into an rr bs fleet in a rohk, tempest, mael, raven... etc. it's a much bigger pain in the ass than the mega. The mega might not be an optimal full LR snipe outfit, but since the apoc and rohk are best in class there (and the rohk is excluded for shield tanking), it's hard to argue anything here except "we're all out-classed by amarr." No big secret there.
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Mona X
Caldari
C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan
(and the rohk is excluded for shield tanking),
What is wrong with shields and lr?
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:29:00 -
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Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari. 
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Pony Tail
Caldari
Martyr's Vengence
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari.
Um what... Would carebears please refrain from posting. I AM TALKING ABOUT PVP FITS ie: Sniper Hacs
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Divercity
Martyr's Vengence
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari.
Either you've never flown Caldari, or you've just not played very long.. I'm going to figure the latter.. or both. Please learn about Caldari before posting further in this topic. Thank you for your time ;)
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 08:58:00 -
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Let's see..
Caldari have the least effective weapons, worst drone capability, slowest ships, and in order to have a tank they have to give up any versatility. Other than ECM what exactly are they good for?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.30 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Let's see..
Caldari have the least effective weapons, worst drone capability, slowest ships, and in order to have a tank they have to give up any versatility. Other than ECM what exactly are they good for?
As mentioned, one word: Kaalakiota.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.30 09:35:00 -
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Reasons to use eagle.
1) Good tank. the eagle can get as much tank as the zeal/munin with a single dc2/lse2
2) Damage projection.
--- 243 dps(CN Thorium) at 100km is decent, slightly more then trip gyro muninn, although slightly less then the zealot.
--- but the point is, the eagle can apply dps even at 150km+ range. sure 189 isnt impressive, but applying dps is applying dps.
3) Insane tracking. The eagle has almost 300% the tracking of muninn, zealot, and almost 10 fold that of a lolimos. Its normal practice for snipehacs to take down frigs first. And darn eagle does it good.
Of course, in return it is slower, but , something gotta offset its other major stats =/
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger
Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 09:48:44
Reasons to use eagle.
1) Good tank. the eagle can get as much tank as the zeal/munin with a single dc2/lse2
2) Damage projection.
--- 243 dps(CN Thorium) at 100km is decent, slightly more then trip gyro muninn, although slightly less then the zealot.
--- but the point is, the eagle can apply dps even at 150km+ range. sure 189 isnt impressive, but applying dps is applying dps.
3) Insane tracking. The eagle has almost 300% the tracking of muninn, zealot, and almost 10 fold that of a lolimos. Its normal practice for snipehacs to take down frigs first. And darn eagle does it good.
Of course, in return it is slower, but , something gotta offset its other major stats =/
Although, anything closer it will be better to field the cerberus, which almost double the dps of any snipehac, while you can nano it to 1800 m/s, while still having as much tank, while only having the disadvantage of 8-11 second missile flight time, which any decent FC should be able to coordinate properly.
you fail in eve
quess you never have flown the eagle
insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
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