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Pony Tail
Caldari Martyr's Vengence OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.28 04:29:00 -
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Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
and...........Post
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:15:00 -
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Hybrids have yet to have their moment in the sun.
Patience.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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David88x77
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2010.08.28 05:54:00 -
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Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that I love Caldari. But as a race in eve, they are screwed. Only race which cannot effectively armor tank a ship... worst weapons systems with crappy bonuses to it.
Look at the bright side though. A drake baits well.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:00:00 -
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Railguns are sadly ineffective at the moment - I mostly blame the weapon tiering. Railguns are the long range weapon. More range means more tracking and higher damage ammo. Top tier guns are the only way you get this, and you _also_ get the highest base damage when you do.
A Rokh is just about a decent railboat, because it can comfortably fit 425mm railguns, along with a MWD and a tank.
The rest of the railboats can't do this, and so they're not very good - once you downsize your guns because of fittings, you end up with neither firepower nor range, and ... so why bother? Just fit lasers to your Ferox instead.
I think the solution would be to rejig hybrids - boost the grid the 'railboats' or adjust top tier rails a bit so they're easier to get on. Concurrently, redo the 'short range' rails - the dual 150s, dual 250s - to be much more damaging - somewhere between blasters and rails in terms of DPS, fittings and range. Give me a credible amount of midrange DPS, and a lot of my objections vanish.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 28/08/2010 11:28:44
Quote: Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that I love Caldari. But as a race in eve, they are screwed. Only race which cannot effectively armor tank a ship... worst weapons systems with crappy bonuses to it.
Screwed how? Even their gunboats can be used effectively. AutoFerox, blaster Ferox, Laser Ferox, all work surprisingly well. The Moa is also a surprisingly workable cruiser, and the Rokh is just plain awesome. Sure rails suck, but it hasn't rendered any of the turret lineup completely useless.
Quote: Look at the bright side though. A drake baits well.
You love Caldari, but you clearly never actually fly them. Here's a hint: train your skills past 3 and stop bringing your passive tanked mission ship to PVP with.
Also if your corp really does nothing but armour roams - perhaps it's time to either cross train or find another corp?
Now, the problem with rails as I see it now - ok, they have a range advantage over the other guns. Trouble is, it's useless. What, really, is the point of being able to shoot 30k or so further than an Apocalypse can at the cost of dps? An Eagle can fire at 150k+ but why would it want to when standard sniper HAC range is around 100?
Ok this does mean you get to use faction ammo in place of tracking crippling t2 but even then you end up on the low end of the damage. _________________________________
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/08/2010 11:31:21
Originally by: Pony Tail Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
How much damage do the other (equivalent) weapon systems do at that range?
Also, the Caldari supreme pwnership of the galaxy can be summed up in one word: Kaalakiota. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/08/2010 11:31:21
Originally by: Pony Tail Yes i can hit him at 150km.......For 12.7 dps? I have max skills for rails and ive always wondered why they fail. Eagle is a joke for a hac. Explain and troll it like CAOD.
How much damage do the other (equivalent) weapon systems do at that range?
Also, the Caldari supreme pwnership of the galaxy can be summed up in one word: Kaalakiota.
over 9000 who cares doing ****ty dmg at range is useless
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Torpir Lee on 28/08/2010 12:13:44 Tank. Or if you use your mids to range fit, you can fit in mid-range ammo and have great tracking and good range.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight who cares doing ****ty dmg at range is useless
It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pony Tail Why do Caldari Rail Guns fail so much in the dps section
Because of Falcon.
No wait that was last year.
I would say because Rails are already a little weak, and because Caldari have fewer damage bonuses compared to the other factions.
Also, it is kinda hard to balance rails, since 2 factions use them. How can you balance one weapon system to make a Rokh and a Mega equal, when one ship doesn't have a damage bonus, nor can it fit 5 sentries.
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Beverly Sparks
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
That would be true if Gallente snipers were powerful.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Torpir Lee
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
What were they thinking. They should make a new turret and give it to the Caldari. Then they would have the ability to make caldari snipers better, without overpowering Gallente snipers (At BS class anyway).
That would be true if Gallente snipers were powerful.
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
Where it suffers is that it has low alpha. So in laggy environments, it's on paper DPS suffers a lot.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.28 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torpir Lee on 28/08/2010 14:19:15
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
Where it suffers is that it has low alpha. So in laggy environments, it's on paper DPS suffers a lot.
Sentries are the only way Gallente can pull ahead with sniping. But relying on sentries limits your range severely, and it makes aligning out/kiting while still putting out great DPS not a possibility. Good for stuff like gatecamping, bad for stuff like fleet warfare, which is where snipe BS's/HAC's are used mainly.
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Arkanor
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.28 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 18:46:37
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 18:46:37
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
There is nothing wrong with the mega + 5 sentries. It does very good DPS with decent tracking and competitive EHP.
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
I fail to see the relevance of your statement.
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Asuze
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:33:00 -
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OK let me translate from English to English for you. The relevance is simple - why even bother with failtron, when you can perform so much much better with geddon at 60% cost?
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Asuze OK let me translate from English to English for you. The relevance is simple - why even bother with failtron, when you can perform so much much better with geddon at 60% cost?
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
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Arkanor
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 21:17:08
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
Originally by: Arkanor
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
Let me clarify:
Originally by: Arkanor
medium range
You know, as in: the range lots of people are fighting at?
Also, consider:
1. Your sentry drones don't mean jack at sniper range 2. Apoc can do sniper range just fine.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 28/08/2010 21:17:08
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Show me your LR geddon fit please.
Originally by: Arkanor
You mean like a Geddon? Oh wait, Geddon does more (medium range) DPS, carries 5 sentries, fits a better tank and costs 60% as much.
Let me clarify:
Originally by: Arkanor
medium range
You know, as in: the range lots of people are fighting at?
Also, consider:
1. Your sentry drones don't mean jack at sniper range 2. Apoc can do sniper range just fine.
I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
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Actionbastrd
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Posted - 2010.08.29 17:51:00 -
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Personally I love the/my rokh. I just hate having to either sacrifice a lot of tank, dps, or cap to do missions effectively in it. Even with implants. Unless trying to make my cap last atleast 5 minutes is too much.
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Altaica Amur
The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:31:00 -
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Quote: It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà
Completely and utterly false, if you switch from spike to a higher damage ammo you're using thorium at less then half the range, if you want a smaller step down in range then you do less damage then spike on an already DPS poor platform.
Quote:
I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
Neither do sentries then, which was his point. Megathron is definitly not too powerful in fleet warfare and the Rokh is caught in a 90% uselessly small niche for those who want to out range the opponent with a fleet of Rokhs at 249km.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 29/08/2010 19:09:58
Originally by: Altaica Amur
Quote: It's not useless if it means you can scale back that range by switching to shorter-range/higher-damage ammoà
Completely and utterly false, if you switch from spike to a higher damage ammo you're using thorium at less then half the range, if you want a smaller step down in range then you do less damage then spike on an already DPS poor platform.
Quote:
I think you need to match my replies to the quotes, because you are getting confused.
Geddon has no relevance in a LR weapon discussion. Period, end of story.
Neither do sentries then, which was his point. Megathron is definitly not too powerful in fleet warfare and the Rokh is caught in a 90% uselessly small niche for those who want to out range the opponent with a fleet of Rokhs at 249km.
This. Try fitting into an rr bs fleet in a rohk, tempest, mael, raven... etc. it's a much bigger pain in the ass than the mega. The mega might not be an optimal full LR snipe outfit, but since the apoc and rohk are best in class there (and the rohk is excluded for shield tanking), it's hard to argue anything here except "we're all out-classed by amarr." No big secret there.
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Mona X
Caldari C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan (and the rohk is excluded for shield tanking),
What is wrong with shields and lr?
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:29:00 -
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Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Pony Tail
Caldari Martyr's Vengence OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari.
Um what... Would carebears please refrain from posting. I AM TALKING ABOUT PVP FITS ie: Sniper Hacs
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Divercity
Martyr's Vengence OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Railguns will receive a buff and become FOTM next expansion.
Also, Gallente are rails, not Caldari.
Either you've never flown Caldari, or you've just not played very long.. I'm going to figure the latter.. or both. Please learn about Caldari before posting further in this topic. Thank you for your time ;)
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 08:58:00 -
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Let's see..
Caldari have the least effective weapons, worst drone capability, slowest ships, and in order to have a tank they have to give up any versatility. Other than ECM what exactly are they good for?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.30 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers Let's see..
Caldari have the least effective weapons, worst drone capability, slowest ships, and in order to have a tank they have to give up any versatility. Other than ECM what exactly are they good for?
As mentioned, one word: Kaalakiota. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.30 09:35:00 -
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Reasons to use eagle. 1) Good tank. the eagle can get as much tank as the zeal/munin with a single dc2/lse2 2) Damage projection. --- 243 dps(CN Thorium) at 100km is decent, slightly more then trip gyro muninn, although slightly less then the zealot. --- but the point is, the eagle can apply dps even at 150km+ range. sure 189 isnt impressive, but applying dps is applying dps.
3) Insane tracking. The eagle has almost 300% the tracking of muninn, zealot, and almost 10 fold that of a lolimos. Its normal practice for snipehacs to take down frigs first. And darn eagle does it good.
Of course, in return it is slower, but , something gotta offset its other major stats =/
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 09:48:44 Reasons to use eagle. 1) Good tank. the eagle can get as much tank as the zeal/munin with a single dc2/lse2 2) Damage projection. --- 243 dps(CN Thorium) at 100km is decent, slightly more then trip gyro muninn, although slightly less then the zealot. --- but the point is, the eagle can apply dps even at 150km+ range. sure 189 isnt impressive, but applying dps is applying dps.
3) Insane tracking. The eagle has almost 300% the tracking of muninn, zealot, and almost 10 fold that of a lolimos. Its normal practice for snipehacs to take down frigs first. And darn eagle does it good.
Of course, in return it is slower, but , something gotta offset its other major stats =/
Although, anything closer it will be better to field the cerberus, which almost double the dps of any snipehac, while you can nano it to 1800 m/s, while still having as much tank, while only having the disadvantage of 8-11 second missile flight time, which any decent FC should be able to coordinate properly.
you fail in eve quess you never have flown the eagle
insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 10:47:48
Quote: insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
Because i smoke weed.
both my cookie cutter snipelot and muninn fits gives .01 tracking which is almost 3x less what eagle has.
If thats not "insane tracking" , then i dont know what is.
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 10:47:48
Quote: insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
Because i smoke weed.
both my cookie cutter snipelot and muninn fits gives .01 tracking which is almost 3x less what eagle has.
If thats not "insane tracking" , then i dont know what is.
Im not seeing it...
The Eagle and Munnin with cookie cutter sniper setups with top tier guns and T2 ammo all level 5 skills looks like..
Eagle : 250mm Railgun II Tracking = .00787
Munnin: 720mm Howitzer Artillery II = Tracking .01121
Eagle has a massive range advantage but not 3x the tracking...not even close
The Munnin is also pushing 300DPS compared to the 180~ish of the Eagle.
Guess who wins on volley too.
My guess is that things look even funnier if someone breaks out a Zealot.
Where did you get your " Eagle has 3x better tracking " Info?
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Torpir Lee on 30/08/2010 16:55:41
Originally by: Meeko Atari
Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 10:47:48
Quote: insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
Because i smoke weed.
both my cookie cutter snipelot and muninn fits gives .01 tracking which is almost 3x less what eagle has.
If thats not "insane tracking" , then i dont know what is.
Im not seeing it...
The Eagle and Munnin with cookie cutter sniper setups with top tier guns and T2 ammo all level 5 skills looks like..
Eagle : 250mm Railgun II Tracking = .00787
Munnin: 720mm Howitzer Artillery II = Tracking .01121
Eagle has a massive range advantage but not 3x the tracking...not even close
The Munnin is also pushing 300DPS compared to the 180~ish of the Eagle.
Guess who wins on volley too.
My guess is that things look even funnier if someone breaks out a Zealot.
Where did you get your " Eagle has 3x better tracking " Info?
You're using the wrong "cookie cutter" fits, bro.
[Eagle, Fleet Sniper 2] Reactor Control Unit II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Photon Scattering Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
I have to say though, a cookie cutter sniper zealot can carry IN Radio, and can switch into it in an instant to stoop down to eagle DPS levels, while having greatly more tracking.
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Vokradacka
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:50:00 -
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easy,"op" meter is ,how often you see ship in real game...btw: i saw eagle one time in last year in syndicate/OR..he was probably gas harvest fitted...:D... low alfa = bad sniper
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Torpir Lee
Originally by: Meeko Atari
Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 10:47:48
Quote: insane tracking lol... where did u get this info ??? :D
Because i smoke weed.
both my cookie cutter snipelot and muninn fits gives .01 tracking which is almost 3x less what eagle has.
If thats not "insane tracking" , then i dont know what is.
Im not seeing it...
The Eagle and Munnin with cookie cutter sniper setups with top tier guns and T2 ammo all level 5 skills looks like..
Eagle : 250mm Railgun II Tracking = .00787
Munnin: 720mm Howitzer Artillery II = Tracking .01121
Eagle has a massive range advantage but not 3x the tracking...not even close
The Munnin is also pushing 300DPS compared to the 180~ish of the Eagle.
Guess who wins on volley too.
My guess is that things look even funnier if someone breaks out a Zealot.
Where did you get your " Eagle has 3x better tracking " Info?
You're using the wrong "cookie cutter" fits, bro.
[Eagle, Fleet Sniper 2] Reactor Control Unit II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Photon Scattering Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
With that setup, if your defining Snipe HAC range at 130k to 150k would you not be comparing T1 Faction ammo ( with no tracking penalty )
to another setup using T2 ammo ( with a tracking penalty )
I guess that is the advantage of all that extra range.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:16:00 -
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In my experience sniper HAC gangs operate at 80-100km range. But yes with that setup the eagle can switch into T2 LR ammo, tracking scripts, and targeting range script, for those really far away targets(though it would take 10 seconds to switch, ugh). That is something the Zealot and Muninn can't do.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: OT Smithers Let's see..
Caldari have the least effective weapons, worst drone capability, slowest ships, and in order to have a tank they have to give up any versatility. Other than ECM what exactly are they good for?
As mentioned, one word: Kaalakiota.
This might be a better answer if that 'one word' actually linked to something specific. In other words, use more words.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.30 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 23:43:30 For example, comparing with a cookie cutter snipelot 22k EHP 290k DPS 109+25 optimal with an MWD, sebo and targeting range rigs.
This fit will have 21k EHP, an MWD, and 243 dps at 100+25 km 216 dps at 114+25 km 189 dps at 137+25 km, and a targeting range of 140km+fleet bonus+ implants.
Like all caldari railboats, like the rokh, and the eagle, they field faction ammo to get insane damage at generic sniping distances. Although they can use T2 to shoot 249km, but its generally not needed.
They are not limited like gallente boats, which are forced to use T2 in anything more then "mid-range", severely limiting their damage and options.
You can go double sebo, and swap ancs for another optimal rig if you are sniping more to 220km.
If any frig gets into your sphere of damage, you can swap tracking and score almost 0.5 tracking. which is enough to perfectly wreck any frigs getting closer.
[Eagle, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.31 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 30/08/2010 23:43:30 Like all caldari railboats, like the rokh, and the eagle, they field faction ammo to get insane damage at generic sniping distances. Although they can use T2 to shoot 249km, but its generally not needed.
I've never heard Caldari railboat and insane damage in the same sentence before.
Also if you have a 3% pg implant, you can switch your setup to have 2 ACR rigs , drop the reactor control and pop in a tracking enhancer II, for extra falloff and tracking.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.31 06:49:00 -
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muninn is much better at killing frings due to insane alpha better tracking and 5 drones, it also locks faster and moves faster
zealot does better dps+instant ammo change ,it locks/moves faster too
the eagle only can match tracking when TCs are tracking scripted but then it looses significant range or have to change to iridium then its dps is much lower than the zealots with microwave crystals,while yielding the same optimal oh and zealot needs 1 sec to change to anti frig mode while eagle needs much more
eagle is a joke it has no advantages over the other hacs,and only can do medicore dmg at sniper hac range,while every other hac can be much better in different realistic! situation the ability to shoot farther is useless,omg 200km range tell me where can u use this out, no it is not in bs snipe fleets...
btw better tank??? just divide 140m/110m for sigs * 245mps/205mps for speed to quess how much harder to actually hit the zealot/muninn over eagle oh it is 1.5x hmm that makes up for the lower ehp in most situations , so even this is false that the eagle has better tank
you should go back to hunting sleepers in your wh ,and stop using eft arguments in s&m topics thx
BOOST HYBRIDS!!!
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 31/08/2010 07:14:37 Edited by: Moose Burger on 31/08/2010 07:09:05
Nah ill stick to my argument. Hybrid doesnt need a boost.
even without tracking scripts , 0.3 is still more then 0.1 . And 243 dps at 100km+ is still more then what muninn can chew out.
Give eagle a 25% damage boost? it will outdps all gunsnipehacs, while having 3x more tracking, and more tank, while being able to shoot longer given the need to. You are basically dissing out all the advantages of eagle as "unimportant" to support your argument.
In reality, ill rather have a +300% tracking bonus then a +5% damage bonus, nor a +5% falloff bonus.
And note how you can make "lock time" an argument. "scriptless sebo" eagle has more scan resolution then the others, so i dont see any issue here. In reality alpha doesnt matter because when you primary a frig, it either warps out or dies (unless ur in a sniper hac alone, in which case, is utter fail)
As i said. i dont see any issue in using eagle if you are skilled up for it. Ill still stick too good ol cerb as imo, its better at the job. But there is no reason to buff hybrids as there is enough advantages over the other hac's.
(and also partially because i dont have it ;(
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Akisawa
Caldari Path Of The Cursed
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 31/08/2010 07:14:37 Edited by: Moose Burger on 31/08/2010 07:09:05
Nah ill stick to my argument. Hybrid doesnt need a boost.
even without tracking scripts , 0.3 is still more then 0.1 . And 243 dps at 100km+ is still more then what muninn can chew out.
Give eagle a 25% damage boost? it will outdps all gunsnipehacs, while having 3x more tracking, and more tank, while being able to shoot longer given the need to. You are basically dissing out all the advantages of eagle as "unimportant" to support your argument.
In reality, ill rather have a +300% tracking bonus then a +5% damage bonus, nor a +5% falloff bonus.
And note how you can make "lock time" an argument. "scriptless sebo" eagle has more scan resolution then the others, so i dont see any issue here. In reality alpha doesnt matter because when you primary a frig, it either warps out or dies (unless ur in a sniper hac alone, in which case, is utter fail)
As i said. i dont see any issue in using eagle if you are skilled up for it. Ill still stick too good ol cerb as imo, its better at the job. But there is no reason to buff hybrids as there is enough advantages over the other hac's.
(and also partially because i dont have it ;(
I understand that you bored, but really, who the f**ck would fly Eagle into HAC gang.... given a choice of anything else --- Improving my day by ruining yours
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:59:00 -
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Someone who made the lifelong mistake of getting T2 rails :D
I dont condone the eagle just i think it doesnt need a buff. But ill still stick to nano/unscannable cerbs. definitely.
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger
even without tracking scripts , 0.3 is still more then 0.1 . And 243 dps at 100km+ is still more then what muninn can chew out.
The Muninn atleast has the benefit of damage types and alpha.(although the Muninn does get screwed on low/mid slots) The issue would be the Zealot can do almost the same dps as the Eagle at 100km with double the tracking(faction ammo), and still be able to insta fit closer range 500+ dps ammo, whereas an Eagle will barely be able to break 300 dps.
The Deimos, another failboat, is a total joke in the sniping aspect.
250mm rail II's either need more damage or more range to compensate... Deimos/Eagle are the least used of the gun hacs.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.31 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers This might be a better answer if that 'one word' actually linked to something specific. In other words, use more words.
It links to all the Kaalakiota ships, all of which have the best paint schemes in the game! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Zyress
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:20:00 -
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It links to all the Kaalakiota ships, all of which have the best paint schemes in the game!
They match the d****s...
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:22:00 -
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It links to all the Kaalakiota ships, all of which have the best paint schemes in the game!
What??? I was talking about curtains....
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Opertone
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.31 22:43:00 -
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oh quit being a nerd... rails totally suck and need a boost in DPS, a serious boost
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