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Psymn
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Posted - 2010.08.29 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Psymn on 29/08/2010 11:16:14 Edited by: Psymn on 29/08/2010 11:14:54
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: Tellenta
... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.
Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy...
As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long.
Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time.
LOL, so its ok for you to annoy someone else by popping a hulk or pve ship, but you dont want to deal with the minor tedium and slight risk of npc intervention for 15 minutes because you might lose a ship changing systems......
Ive got a better idea, lets all just park up next to this guy, pick up his can and let him shoot our faction fits without firing back until hes completely satisfied everything is going his way :)
Also, you said that even if nothing changed, piracy would still be the best career in eve, so whats the problem really? you just want it to be even better at the cost of other careers? lol
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Psymn
Also, you said that even if nothing changed, piracy would still be the best career in eve, so whats the problem really? you just want it to be even better at the cost of other careers? lol
Basically this, just about everyone in this game wants their pet pony to be better than everyone else's and very often have no problem killing/maiming other people's ponies so they can make theirs better/prettier/more sparkley. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.29 11:41:00 -
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TBH, the current GCC timer is more of a deterrent to small gang/solo piracy in low sec than anything else. I wont cry about it, because it is what it is, however the GCC system just encourages the usage of bigger ships/gangs and using logistics.
I guess it's like they say.. don't do the crime, if you can't do the "time" but it does seem to be a lopsided punishment more so toward small gang/solo piracy vs anything thing else. Larger gangs and gate campers are typically not affected by GCC as they will normally have logistics or ships that can tank the guns.
As far as GCC being a deterrent to piracy, it's really not, however it does force me to decide if attacking a specific ship is "worth" sitting in space bored for 15 mins when I'm running around solo.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:01:00 -
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Pirate tears are the sweetest I have ever tasted, thanks Tressin & Co. I was really in need of some.
Also I'm all for increasing GCC timers, just to ruin the lives of pirates, whose only due is a podding down to basic SP.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper Pirate tears are the sweetest I have ever tasted, thanks Tressin & Co. I was really in need of some.
Also I'm all for increasing GCC timers, just to ruin the lives of pirates, whose only due is a podding down to basic SP.
Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game right? If you cant handle "pirates" then stay out of lowsec.
Please show me on this doll where the evil "pirate" man touched you. What have "pirates" ever done to you? You seem to seriusly hate them, perhaps you should go play another game? I havent seen much "pirate" tears in this thread but yours are all over the place.
They live with the 15 minut timer now without any problems, its just an minor obstacle. How is increasing that timer going to encourage more pvp in a pvp oriented game?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:16:35
Originally by: Scott Ryder Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game with consequences to your actions right? If you cant handle "pirates" the time then stay out of lowsec don't do the crime.
Please show me on this doll where the evil "pirate" man GCC touched you? Has the GCC warp scrambled you? You seem to seriusly hate it, perhaps you should go play another game? I have seen much pirate tears in this thread but mine are all over the place.
They live with the 15 minut timer now with many problems, its just a huge obstacle to my fun.
Fixed the whole post for ya. No need to thank me.
Keep crying some moar . Your tears are absolutely exquisite.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:14:44
Originally by: Scott Ryder Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game with consequences to your actions right? If you cant handle "pirates" the time then stay out of lowsec don't do the crime.
Please show me on this doll where the evil "pirate" man GCC touched you? Has the GCC warp scrambled you? You seem to seriusly hate it, perhaps you should go play another game? I have seen much pirate tears in this thread but mine are all over the place.
They live with the 15 minut timer now with many problems, its just huge obstacle to my fun.
Fixed the whole post for ya. No need to thank me.
Keep crying some moar . Your tears are absolutely exquisite.
Hmm i like that you infact claim im a pirate :) I enjoy some occational pvp in lowsec with friends yes. Ive never ransomed anyone and I actually try avoid podding.
Ive done my fair share of "carebearing" and pvp is just another part of eve I like to try out. Im not really bothered by the GCC. I am on the other hand fairly sure more pvp would blossom if it was reduced or the timer reset was changed in some manner. And no I dont seriusly hate the GCC you should perhaps study posts furhter until you decide to troll.
And how is running missions griefing a pvper? I didnt know eve was some sort of war between mission runners and pvpers? Its different aspects of the game. Some people enjoy both some enjoy neither. Stop trolling and please bring some good arguments.
Why should we not encourage more pvp in a pvp oriented game, and yes to answer your previus post. I have read nearly all your whines, why dont you go reprosess your character over it a bit?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:30:43 Learn to read. Never called you a pirate.
And the obligatory, u mad?
And again, I'm honored you've taken the time and cared enough to read all my posts. I know few people have taken their time to actually read all of my work. It's nice to find someone who cares enough to do it. And for that I am very greatful. I'm serious. Thank you.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:29:00 -
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1. Move to null
2. ???
3. Profit!
Although I suppose there are significantly less stupid targets down here, there's no GCC! :D
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 12:36:16
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:28:27 Learn to read. Never called you a pirate.
And the obligatory, u mad?
And again, I'm honored you've taken the time to read all my posts. I know few people have taken the time to actually read all of my work. It's nice to find someone that cares enough to do it. And for that I am very greatful. I'm serious. Thank you.
Ah you are right, sorry. I missed that. I oh the other hand have the ego to admit erros :) So back to the point shall we? Care to answer my question about encouraging pvp in lowsec in a pvp oriented game?
Originally by: Super Whopper School is out and the 13 year olds are here to amuse us with their middle class misery.
I suggest a razer blade, instead of wasting your time proving how 1337 you aren't.
Hmmm bitter much? Try brushing the sand out of your vagina, and bring some arguments to the discussion
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:33:00 -
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School is out and the 13 year olds are here to amuse us with their middle class misery.
I suggest a razer blade, instead of wasting your time proving how 1337 you aren't.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:46:04
Originally by: Scott Ryder Ah you are right, sorry. I missed that. I oh the other hand have the ego to admit erros :) So back to the point shall we? Care to answer my question about encouraging pvp in lowsec in a pvp oriented game?
You're assuming that open "no-holds-barred" PVP should be allowed in lo sec. Remember that Eve is divided into "teers" (no pun intended), hi, lo, and null sec. PVP is allowed in lo sec, but it isn't the PVP you would expect say, in null sec. There are still rules in lo sec. So to answer your question, yes, PVP is encouraged in lo sec, more so than hi sec, but less than you would expect in 0.0.
If lo sec was meant to exclusively encourage PVP to the max then you wouldn't have GCCs at ALL. Gates and stations wouldn't shoot you either. But that isn't the case. The timer is there to serve as a deterrent to SOME degree. You may not like it. And you may (rightfully) feel like it's a deterrent to PVP, and you are correct. It's meant to serve as a PARTIAL deterrent. But by no means does it completely discourage PVP either. In other words, it serves slight consequences for breaking the rules.
0.0, on the other hand, IS trully a no-holds-barred environment. And if that is what you're looking for then that is the place for you.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:54:00 -
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Quote:
0.0, on the other hand, IS trully a no-holds-barred environment. And if that is what you're looking for then that is the place for you.
Sadly it's not so linear.
It's not "just" Hi sec = no PvP, Lo sec = limited PvP and null sec = full PvP.
Lo sec is also small and more fun PvP for those who are stuffed at waking up at 2.30am, blob up and go 50 jumps away and waste 6 hours at some unknown POS. 0.0 PvP can be terrible.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.29 13:05:00 -
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Everyone who does alarm clock ops is taking eve way too serious, also in 0.0 barely anyone does that. And if you dont like being in 60-person fleets, dont join a corp/alliance that does them. Go solo roaming through 0.0, or join a smallish corp that usually bases from either npc 0.0 or surrounding empire space.
But wanting to change low sec into 0.0 but refusing to enter 0.0 because it is so scary is just stupid.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.29 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Aiwha on 29/08/2010 13:07:59
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Some people just prefer small gang pvp. Not mining ops, ratting and huge lagfests.
12-20 people is a lagfest?
I'm not sure if people realize, with Dominion bringing BC/HAC fleets to the foreground, blobbing is really reserved for defense, or SOV warfare. 15 or so BC's, 4 logi, and ewar guy, a few tackle, and away you go. I haven't blobbed since the last NC incursion. Its been allot of smaller fleet roams, good times.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.29 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 13:10:38
Originally by: Furb Killer Everyone who does alarm clock ops is taking eve way too serious, also in 0.0 barely anyone does that. And if you dont like being in 60-person fleets, dont join a corp/alliance that does them. Go solo roaming through 0.0, or join a smallish corp that usually bases from either npc 0.0 or surrounding empire space.
But wanting to change low sec into 0.0 but refusing to enter 0.0 because it is so scary is just stupid.
How is 0.0 scary? Its nearly as safe as highsec. 0.0 isnt scary, some people just prefer smaller fleets. Some people just dont like lag or blobs.
Originally by: Aiwha Edited by: Aiwha on 29/08/2010 13:07:59
12-20 people is a lagfest?
I'm not sure if people realize, with Dominion bringing BC/HAC fleets to the foreground, blobbing is really reserved for defense, or SOV warfare. 15 or so BC's, 4 logi, and ewar guy, a few tackle, and away you go. I haven't blobbed since the last NC incursion. Its been allot of smaller fleet roams, good times.
Then you have better experience with 0.0 then what I have. All I actually remember was blobs and lag.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.29 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Sadly it's not so linear.
For better or for worse, it really isn't. But reducing the GCC timer isn't going make it any more linear either (if that is what you're looking to accomplish).
Quote: It's not "just" Hi sec = no PvP, Lo sec = limited PvP and null sec = full PvP.
Never said hi sec = no PVP. What I did say is that the mechanics encourage more PVP in lo sec than hi sec, but less than 0.0.
Quote: Lo sec is also small and more fun PvP for those who are stuffed at waking up at 2.30am, blob up and go 50 jumps away and waste 6 hours at some unknown POS. 0.0 PvP can be terrible.
You can get this type of fight in null sec as well. You just have to know where to look. But assuming you can ONLY find small fights during the day in lo sec and lo sec only, remember that there are three tiers. And they need to accomodate different play styles, not just your own. Changing the GCC does have a global effect in the game and WILL alter other play styles. And while some may not care that other play styles would be getting screwed others do.
What you may want to ask for in this case, is for a different type of lo sec where there isn't a GCC and gate guns, and whatever other "deterrents" you feel are stopping you from PVPing. But then again, there already is: NPC 0.0.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.29 14:02:00 -
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I hate all other players. Their playstyles should be nerfed, as they are overpowered. My playstyle needs to be buffed. CCP also should give me 100,000,000 free SP and a Titan for thinking this revolutionary idea.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.08.29 15:46:00 -
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If 15 minutes is "dead time" because you're just hiding somewhere to wait it out, it clearly isn't long enough to be working. Let's make it a 1h timer and see if pirates will still be hiding stupidly or if it then works as intended (i.e. has consequences for them).
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.29 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus If 15 minutes is "dead time" because you're just hiding somewhere to wait it out, it clearly isn't long enough to be working. Let's make it a 1h timer and see if pirates will still be hiding stupidly or if it then works as intended (i.e. has consequences for them).
How is 15 minutes of not being able to go into highsec and being shot at on gates or stations not a consequence? ______
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RazerKill
New-Roots Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.08.29 15:55:00 -
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lol pirate qq go and nyx camp some 0.0 instead of low sec
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Analissa Fiora
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Analissa Fiora on 29/08/2010 16:04:58 came in expecting pirate QQ.
found it! thk you
op did not dissapoint
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:06:00 -
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If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08
Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to. ______
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08
Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to.
I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:15:38
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08
Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to.
I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kill_rights ______
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 29/08/2010 16:33:53 If your GCC only lasts for 15 minutes, you're doing it wrong.
Edit: Oh and quit whining ffs.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Troll o'Ninetails
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08
Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to.
I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player.
Ive pvped in a hulk 150 - 200 dps from drones if i dont recall wrongly. It can also be a 600 dps omnitank.
But that was when pithi b and gistii b was cheap :\ Now I wouldnt consider it.. X ♥ VOTE TROLL ♥ |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I hear mining lasers do quite the damage.
We need Frontier-style mining lasers in Eve.
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2010.08.29 17:25:00 -
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Only annoying thing about GCC is when the timer is reset back to 15mins when doing nothing but going near a gategun. Is it a bug originally and then accepted as a feature?
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