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Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.28 11:57:00 - [1] 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... --
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:01:00 - [2] Yea i too wish i could just walk back to where i died as a ghost and its all over.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Brian Ballsack Yea i too wish i could just walk back to where i died as a ghost and its all over. Nope, you don't get it. I didn't say get rid of GCC. I didn't say make eve easier. There's no protection that 15 minutes is giving that 5 minutes wouldn't equally give without forcing pirates to twiddle their thumbs in space for an extra ten minutes. --
EVEcitizen2119278	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:07:00 - [4] Obvious troll, you'd have to be an idiot not to see why the game is this way.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:14:00 - [5] Not trolling. I probably get 10 globals a day. Some overlap, but I'd bet I spend close to an hour a day in safe spots or docked waiting out GCC. It's irritating since there is NO reason for 15 minutes of global. Just calling me an idiot doesn't prove you're right. Please explain how 15 minutes better serves to make piracy difficult, or how 5 minutes would be exploited. --
heheheh Ecliptic Refuge	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:20:00 - [6] Edited by: heheheh on 28/08/2010 12:20:00 urgh wrong post sry
Jones Bones Final Agony	Posted - 2010.08.28 12:57:00 - [7] Knock GCC down to 5 mins and increase aggression timers to 2 mins. You'll see less gate/station lameness and more pee vee pee.
Grace Halibel	Posted - 2010.08.28 13:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne It's irritating Your victim just lost his ship, maybe his pod too. He must fly back to his HQ, buy a new ship, buy all the fitting, fit it, rig it insure it, update clone, buy implants... Do you think this is happiness? It's irritating too, so... you are an outlaw, face the consequences. -5 pirate should have a lifetime GCC if you ask me, 15 minuts to get "police" forget about you is nothing.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Personally I would like to see it extended. If you choose to initiate agression, those you aggress should have the posibillity to hunt you down without penalty at least an hour after the attack! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Personally I would like to see it extended. If you choose to initiate agression, those you aggress should have the posibillity to hunt you down without penalty at least an hour after the attack! He's a pirate, you know, neg 10? You can 'hunt him down' any time you want. He'd probably enjoy that.

Yansa Tholus	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Go to 0.0 noob.
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:35:00 - [12] CCP Made it the way it Is because that is the Way It is meant to Be. It is not your place to approve or dissaprove of their actions, which are ineffable to mere mortals such as you. Trust in CCP to do the right thing, for the Right Thing is what CCP does. How could it be otherwise?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne I probably get 10 globals a day. Some overlap, but I'd bet I spend close to an hour a day in safe spots or docked waiting out GCC. It's irritating since there is NO reason for 15 minutes of global. You answered your own question above. As you can see, it IS serving a purpose. It's keeping you from continuing to agress and instigate unprovoked attacks and it's keeping you in the run. WORKING AS INTENDED. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Laedy Bi-Polar Bears	Posted - 2010.08.28 14:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Laedy on 28/08/2010 14:39:45 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I'm not sure about the 5 minute timer thing, but this bugs me to no end. Assisting corpmates that are outlaws should not give you GCC. I think that assisting someone WITH GCC should give you GCC, but not if they are simply below -5. My EVE blog http://laedyinred.blogspot.com/
Apollo Gabriel Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.28 15:21:00 - [15] Your pirate tears will be served at my next carebear tea party! Thank you! Apollo =============================== \|\| Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. \|\| ===============================
Gashblight	Posted - 2010.08.28 15:24:00 - [16] Much rarer than care bear tears. Pirate tears are the sweetest of all.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.28 15:30:00 - [17] Can't take the time? Don't do the crime. Alsoà Originally by: Laedy Assisting corpmates that are outlaws should not give you GCC. I think that assisting someone WITH GCC should give you GCC, but not if they are simply below -5. àthis. The distinction between the two is critical, though. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Bogota Lovejoy	Posted - 2010.08.28 15:44:00 - [18] Yea, in 18 months.. what were you saying?
Ker HarSol Minmatar Zip - I	Posted - 2010.08.28 15:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. ... Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Just who is the carebear here? Who wants actions without consequences? Yeah ... tell me about carebearing. lol
El Liptonez	Posted - 2010.08.28 16:51:00 - [20] Go to 0.0 ffs.

Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.28 22:42:00 - [21] If pirates wanted to go to 0.0, they would. Bottom line is, piracy is a different game than 0.0. The mechanics are different, the ships flown are different, and the type of pvp you regularly engage in is different. As for tears; I never stated that a 15 minute timer is to "hard" or "unfair", it just serves as useless boredom. I would gladly accept a 24 hour aggression timer for 5 minutes less of pointless waiting. 99 times out of 100, I'm left in an empty system, orbiting a corpse - it simply slows down pirate gameplay. It's not an OMGWTFIQUIT issue, it's not even a deterrent from pirating. If nothing changed, I would still enjoy piracy more than any other style of eve-play. I'm simply stating that it's a useless irritant that could be changed to work as intended. And to all you "screw pirates and what they want" people, I would remind you that pirates keep your game alive. 0.0 PVP is completely removed from empire babies. Pirates are the living threat that makes empire alive and exciting for newer, or less adventurous players. As much as you may hate them, your game would be less fulfilling without them. You have to admit that no mission or successful trade has been as exciting as the time you were chased by pirates and got away, or the gate camp you ran. We represent the only real threat in empire space, and in the back of your mind you know that eve is dangerous as a result. Make some friends, fit some cheap ships, and go out and attack a pirate (they'll fight), and win or lose I'm sure you'll have a whole new appreciation for what they offer your game. TLDR: Not crying, piracy != 0.0, you need pirates. --
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.28 22:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne We represent the only real threat in empire space privs are more realer
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.28 22:59:00 - [23] This is why 0.0 is more fun. This is also why hitting up hotspots like Tama can be more fun as you can play in the belts and ignore GCC. ~
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.08.28 23:02:00 - [24] Sooner see it extended so people can't just log out after 15 mins. Interesting troll though.
Remald Kar	Posted - 2010.08.28 23:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Griefer tears are sooo SWEET. I recommend increasing GCC to 20 minutes.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.28 23:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne If pirates wanted to go to 0.0, they would. Bottom line is, piracy is a different game than 0.0. The mechanics are different, the ships flown are different, and the type of pvp you regularly engage in is different. As for tears; I never stated that a 15 minute timer is to "hard" or "unfair", it just serves as useless boredom. I would gladly accept a 24 hour aggression timer for 5 minutes less of pointless waiting. 99 times out of 100, I'm left in an empty system, orbiting a corpse - it simply slows down pirate gameplay. It's not an OMGWTFIQUIT issue, it's not even a deterrent from pirating. If nothing changed, I would still enjoy piracy more than any other style of eve-play. I'm simply stating that it's a useless irritant that could be changed to work as intended. And to all you "screw pirates and what they want" people, I would remind you that pirates keep your game alive. 0.0 PVP is completely removed from empire babies. Pirates are the living threat that makes empire alive and exciting for newer, or less adventurous players. As much as you may hate them, your game would be less fulfilling without them. You have to admit that no mission or successful trade has been as exciting as the time you were chased by pirates and got away, or the gate camp you ran. We represent the only real threat in empire space, and in the back of your mind you know that eve is dangerous as a result. Make some friends, fit some cheap ships, and go out and attack a pirate (they'll fight), and win or lose I'm sure you'll have a whole new appreciation for what they offer your game. TLDR: Not crying, piracy != 0.0, you need pirates. If the 15-minute timer is not serving a purpose, then what exactly is stopping you from doing your thing and not be bored? What's stopping you from popping more ships? You're contradicting yourself. It is serving a purpose. You just don't like that purpose. These are the consequences to face for your actions, but you don't like these consequences. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.08.28 23:13:00 - [27] Maybe we should have hidden floating star symbols in small nooks and crannies of stations and in belts, where if you fly over one they lower your GCC by 5 minutes ... Or maybe spray paint / body shop celestials where you can lose all of your GCC in one go but you'd have to pay for it. Ain't that sweet? I agree with everything Barakkus posts.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:02:00 - [28] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 If the 15-minute timer is not serving a purpose, then what exactly is stopping you from doing your thing and not be bored? What's stopping you from popping more ships? You're contradicting yourself. Nah, I'm not. You just don't understand what I'm saying - that's ok. For clarity's sake, THE PURPOSE of GCC is to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give-or-take) to people attacked in highsec. It would equally serve this purpose at 5 minutes as it does at 15. The extra 10 minutes serves only as dead time for pirates. I realize many of you feel like it's a major victory to bore people, but it's not good gaming. If you want to win the battle, do so with skill, don't just sit back smirking because I have to orbit your corpse for 15 minutes now... all this joy over my irritation is quite pathetic. --
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:06:00 - [29] I quite like circling corpses. ~
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:14:00 - [30] Then stop hiding until your GCC expires every time you kill someone. It's your own fault that you are bored when you have GCC. ______

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:17:00 - [31] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:22:00 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 If the 15-minute timer is not serving a purpose, then what exactly is stopping you from doing your thing and not be bored? What's stopping you from popping more ships? You're contradicting yourself. Nah, I'm not. You just don't understand what I'm saying - that's ok. For clarity's sake, THE PURPOSE of GCC is to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give-or-take) to people attacked in highsec. It would equally serve this purpose at 5 minutes as it does at 15. The extra 10 minutes serves only as dead time for pirates. I realize many of you feel like it's a major victory to bore people, but it's not good gaming. If you want to win the battle, do so with skill, don't just sit back smirking because I have to orbit your corpse for 15 minutes now... all this joy over my irritation is quite pathetic. Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you? And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:21:00 - [32] It's a templar, the amarrian fighter drone, which can only be used by carriers.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Brusanan Then stop hiding until your GCC expires every time you kill someone. It's your own fault that you are bored when you have GCC. Hush, troll. --
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Not trolling. I probably get 10 globals a day. Some overlap, but I'd bet I spend close to an hour a day in safe spots or docked waiting out GCC. It's irritating since there is NO reason for 15 minutes of global. Just calling me an idiot doesn't prove you're right. Please explain how 15 minutes better serves to make piracy difficult, or how 5 minutes would be exploited. The 15 minute timer does not make piracy difficult, it is just an arbitrary timer during which everything NPC wants to shoot at you if they can. The fact that you are allowed to dock at all during this time period is kind of a meh thing in my opinion. Beyond alleviating a minor inconvenience for an act of piracy by 10 minutes changing the timer to 5 minutes makes no sense. You say there is no reason for a GCC which is an interesting statement, I mean you did 'break the law' and are now being punished for your actions. 5 minutes is to short for it to be a punishment, 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. :generic whine flame here:
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:31:00 - [35] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you? And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended. Either post with your main, or, if this is your main, quit flapping your gums about something you know nothing at all about. Killing something else is only possible if there is something else to kill in the system you're in. Changing systems with GCC is usually ill-advised, and will eventually cost you ships. More often than not it is better to just wait it out... which brings me back to my main point - waiting 15 minutes is unnecessary. --
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:33:00 - [36] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:34:53 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you? And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended. Either post with your main, or, if this is your main, quit flapping your gums about something you know nothing at all about. Killing something else is only possible if there is something else to kill in the system you're in. Changing systems with GCC is usually ill-advised, and will eventually cost you ships. More often than not it is better to just wait it out... which brings me back to my main point - waiting 15 minutes is unnecessary. Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Stop crying about the consequences to your actions and HTFU. Jeez, are all of Tuskers cry babies? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Personally I would like to see it extended. If you choose to initiate agression, those you aggress should have the posibillity to hunt you down without penalty at least an hour after the attack! If you don't shoot back it's much longer than that. they are called kill rights, look them up on your character sheet.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Tellenta ... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy... As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long. Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time. --
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:43:00 - [39] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:44:01 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: Tellenta ... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy... As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long. Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time. Again, it's designed to offer consequences, not protection to your victims. Don't know what those consequences are? Warp to a gate and find out. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:46:00 - [40] I like how matrix successfully annoys op's by making the same reply constantly ad infinitum. Good work. ~

Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:51:00 - [41] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it. --
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:52:00 - [42] Edited by: Tellenta on 29/08/2010 00:55:04 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: Tellenta ... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy... As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long. Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time. Lets turn that one on its head piracy is also a mechanic that is designed to annoy should we get rid of that to? My answer is of course no as griefing is rather fun and I do laugh every time I kill a hauler. If changing the timer from 15 to 5 minutes wouldn't make piracy any easier why is it that you yourself hide for 15 minutes so it would go away? If it was not inconveniencing you this would not be an annoyance to you. The GCC is not simply a tool of a pathetic attempt to protect, it is also a tool of punishment as in all station and gate guns shoot at you until it is up (adding on the extra minute or so if you stick around to loot for faction timer). I think it's just a misinterpretation of what the GCC is, it's not protection it is punishment. Quote: Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it. I can't recall the last time a GCC has forced dead time upon me. You position is flawed as well as your reasoning. You can travel gates in a frig with GCC (just don't dwadle) for crying out loud. You suck as a pirate
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it. He gets bored if you ignore him. ~
Daxx Arman Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.29 00:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... Another pirate crying cause he ain't got it his own way HTFU YOU GIRL!!!!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 01:02:00 - [45] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank He gets bored if you ignore him. You remind me of a little chihuahua that used to follow me around the forums, humping my leg. Ki An, I think his name was. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.29 01:32:00 - [46] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank He gets bored if you ignore him. You remind me of a little chihuahua that used to follow me around the forums, humping my leg. Ki An, I think his name was. Oh come on! You know it's true ~
Koyama Ise Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.29 02:18:00 - [47] Think of it like ice mining. You have a boring bit and an interesting bit, the boring bit is ice mining the interesting bit is not ice mining. Seriously thought, saying the 15 minute GCC serves no purpose is stupid. It's to prevent you ganking another person/group of persons within 15 minutes of your last. If you cannot see this then you really should go do some ice mining as it should be around you mental capacity. Now if you're still with me you might ask "why does it have to be so long?" and the answer is; everyone of these ganks you perform increases the chance of someone leaving the game. People don't generally like being ganked and if you could do it willy nilly it could start making a notable impact on people leaving. ______________________________ There is not enough EVE Online in your toast.
Muad' Dib Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.29 03:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... So some of the tuskers have stepped out of frigs despite the possible decrease in :efficiency: and the result is a whine thread on eve-o. u go tuskers ! --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.08.29 04:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Tressin Khiyne 15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates. For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two. Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating. Already smells like flaming carebears in here... So some of the tuskers have stepped out of frigs despite the possible decrease in :efficiency: and the result is a whine thread on eve-o. u go tuskers ! Go where, he need to safe up for the next 15 min.
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.08.29 05:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Jones Bones Knock GCC down to 5 mins and increase aggression timers to 2 mins. You'll see less gate/station lameness and more pee vee pee. that would be interesting

Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 07:36:00 - [51] I just wanna let everyone in this thread know, that in spite of all of my "whining" and "crying", I would gladly wait 15 minutes for any of you. It's true, you all mean that much to me. --
stankpod	Posted - 2010.08.29 07:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: Tellenta ... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy.. Sounds like pirates (entirely designed to annoy you)
Kestrix	Posted - 2010.08.29 08:27:00 - [53] The 15mins GCC is not 'dead time' think of it as an oppertunity to do something constructive like mining or ratting. You have a single track mind, it'll do you good to try to broaden your horizons.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 08:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Kestrix The 15mins GCC is not 'dead time' think of it as an oppertunity to do something constructive like mining or ratting. You have a single track mind, it'll do you good to try to broaden your horizons. Only worthwhile troll in the whole thread. --
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.29 08:52:00 - [55] Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 08:54:04 MatrixSkye is a **. The timer is a bit too much yes. lowsec needs love really, sec hits are to big aswell. and before someone says go to nulsec. Nulsec is filled with carebears and 600 man lagfests. Some people actually enjoy the smaller gangs in lowsec. Active areas provide good pvp daily and eve is supposed to be a pvp game. Edit: Clarifiction on the statement "MatrixSkye is a **" Ive read all his whine posts. He does nothing but whining or trolling people that enjoy pvp.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.29 08:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec Yeah, you said it. But that doesn't necessarily make it true. All the GCC really does in my opinion is two things : it lets anybody else be able to shoot at you at first sight (but that's only relevant for fist-aggressors with secrating above -5) and has the NPC turrets shooting at you (which, unless you fly a flimsily tanked ship that aligns relatively slow, shouldn't matter all that much when traveling). How exactly do you argue that a 15 min GCC timer offers any noticeable protection at all to people in the same system with you compared to a 1 second GCC timer and the usual aggression timer ? If anything, in order to offer any meaningful protection, the timer would need to be increased radically, to, oh, say, 1 year. Nah, seriously now, what it would make sense is split it into two timers : the "NPCs shooting at you" part (which could be reduced to a mere 2 minutes) and the "anybody can attack you" part (which should be increased radically to at least 24 hours). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Win Gemst	Posted - 2010.08.29 09:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Your pirate tears will be served at my next carebear tea party! Thank you! Apollo I remember when my FW gang(all 3 of us) chased down and killed a very well known and outspoken forum/pirate ***.. Not the "decent" pirate type, but the one who always comes out with the cry moar noob, etc quote.. We chased through a few systems and caught up with her at a moon of all places..(SS fail) Now those tears broadcast on local were so precious i will remember and hold them in my heart them forever. The cries of unfair fight, gank squad and fin noobs try f***n solo me,they still echo in my head till this day.. Whenever i see pirate tears, and especially this certain person rant away..i always picture the burning domi , and the impotent rants in local..
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.29 09:58:00 - [58] Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/08/2010 09:59:39 Originally by: Gashblight Much rarer than care bear tears. Pirate tears are the sweetest of all. Pirate tears are indeed very sweet while having surprisingly low amounts of sugar, so this should become a market hit as new sweetener. However someone with good knowledge of pirate society can easily harvast their tears. I always recommend a battleship fitted with stabs, mwd and expanded cargoholds. MWD so you can gatecrash if needed, stabs are for generating huge amounts of tears, and expanded cargoholds to store them all. Quote: And to all you "screw pirates and what they want" people, I would remind you that pirates keep your game alive. 0.0 PVP is completely removed from empire babies. Pirates are the living threat that makes empire alive and exciting for newer, or less adventurous players. As much as you may hate them, your game would be less fulfilling without them. You have to admit that no mission or successful trade has been as exciting as the time you were chased by pirates and got away, or the gate camp you ran. We represent the only real threat in empire space, and in the back of your mind you know that eve is dangerous as a result. Make some friends, fit some cheap ships, and go out and attack a pirate (they'll fight), and win or lose I'm sure you'll have a whole new appreciation for what they offer your game. TLDR: Not crying, piracy != 0.0, you need pirates. I suppose you need to enter buildings via the cargo entrance so your ego can also enter?
Commoner Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.08.29 10:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Tressin Khiyne As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec Yeah, you said it. But that doesn't necessarily make it true. All the GCC really does in my opinion is two things : it lets anybody else be able to shoot at you at first sight (but that's only relevant for fist-aggressors with secrating above -5) and has the NPC turrets shooting at you (which, unless you fly a flimsily tanked ship that aligns relatively slow, shouldn't matter all that much when traveling). How exactly do you argue that a 15 min GCC timer offers any noticeable protection at all to people in the same system with you compared to a 1 second GCC timer and the usual aggression timer ? If anything, in order to offer any meaningful protection, the timer would need to be increased radically, to, oh, say, 1 year. Nah, seriously now, what it would make sense is split it into two timers : the "NPCs shooting at you" part (which could be reduced to a mere 2 minutes) and the "anybody can attack you" part (which should be increased radically to at least 24 hours). It's just an annoyance tbh, especially when you triger individual 15 min timers on every gate you pass through with GCC. Makes running home with 2min GCC left give you gate aggro for a full 15min with each gate. I'd love your suggestion, the npc's for me, atleast is a huge annoyance because it's so easy to re-trigger a 15min timer on these places. 24 hours of free-shootage is nice too =)
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 11:14:00 - [60] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 11:14:31 Originally by: Scott Ryder Edit: Clarifiction on the statement "MatrixSkye is a ****" Ive read all his whine posts. He does nothing but whining or trolling people that enjoy pvp. All of my posts, you say? I'm honored . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

Psymn	Posted - 2010.08.29 11:14:00 - [61] Edited by: Psymn on 29/08/2010 11:16:14 Edited by: Psymn on 29/08/2010 11:14:54 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Originally by: Tellenta ... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC. Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy... As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long. Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time. LOL, so its ok for you to annoy someone else by popping a hulk or pve ship, but you dont want to deal with the minor tedium and slight risk of npc intervention for 15 minutes because you might lose a ship changing systems...... Ive got a better idea, lets all just park up next to this guy, pick up his can and let him shoot our faction fits without firing back until hes completely satisfied everything is going his way :) Also, you said that even if nothing changed, piracy would still be the best career in eve, so whats the problem really? you just want it to be even better at the cost of other careers? lol
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.29 11:21:00 - [62] Originally by: Psymn Also, you said that even if nothing changed, piracy would still be the best career in eve, so whats the problem really? you just want it to be even better at the cost of other careers? lol Basically this, just about everyone in this game wants their pet pony to be better than everyone else's and very often have no problem killing/maiming other people's ponies so they can make theirs better/prettier/more sparkley. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
Mutnin Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.08.29 11:41:00 - [63] TBH, the current GCC timer is more of a deterrent to small gang/solo piracy in low sec than anything else. I wont cry about it, because it is what it is, however the GCC system just encourages the usage of bigger ships/gangs and using logistics. I guess it's like they say.. don't do the crime, if you can't do the "time" but it does seem to be a lopsided punishment more so toward small gang/solo piracy vs anything thing else. Larger gangs and gate campers are typically not affected by GCC as they will normally have logistics or ships that can tank the guns. As far as GCC being a deterrent to piracy, it's really not, however it does force me to decide if attacking a specific ship is "worth" sitting in space bored for 15 mins when I'm running around solo.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:01:00 - [64] Pirate tears are the sweetest I have ever tasted, thanks Tressin & Co. I was really in need of some. Also I'm all for increasing GCC timers, just to ruin the lives of pirates, whose only due is a podding down to basic SP.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Super Whopper Pirate tears are the sweetest I have ever tasted, thanks Tressin & Co. I was really in need of some. Also I'm all for increasing GCC timers, just to ruin the lives of pirates, whose only due is a podding down to basic SP. Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game right? If you cant handle "pirates" then stay out of lowsec. Please show me on this doll where the evil "pirate" man touched you. What have "pirates" ever done to you? You seem to seriusly hate them, perhaps you should go play another game? I havent seen much "pirate" tears in this thread but yours are all over the place. They live with the 15 minut timer now without any problems, its just an minor obstacle. How is increasing that timer going to encourage more pvp in a pvp oriented game?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:14:00 - [66] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:16:35 Originally by: Scott Ryder Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game with consequences to your actions right? If you cant handle ~~"pirates"~~ the time then ~~stay out of lowsec~~ don't do the crime. Please show me on this doll where the evil ~~"pirate" man~~ GCC touched you? Has the GCC warp scrambled you? You seem to seriusly hate it, perhaps you should go play another game? I have seen much pirate tears in this thread but mine are all over the place. They live with the 15 minut timer now with many problems, its just a huge obstacle to my fun. Fixed the whole post for ya. No need to thank me. Keep crying some moar . Your tears are absolutely exquisite. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:22:00 - [67] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:14:44 Originally by: Scott Ryder Aww sweety, this is a pvp oriented game with consequences to your actions right? If you cant handle ~~"pirates"~~ the time then ~~stay out of lowsec~~ don't do the crime. Please show me on this doll where the evil ~~"pirate" man~~ GCC touched you? Has the GCC warp scrambled you? You seem to seriusly hate it, perhaps you should go play another game? I have seen much pirate tears in this thread but mine are all over the place. They live with the 15 minut timer now with many problems, its just huge obstacle to my fun. Fixed the whole post for ya. No need to thank me. Keep crying some moar . Your tears are absolutely exquisite. Hmm i like that you infact claim im a pirate :) I enjoy some occational pvp in lowsec with friends yes. Ive never ransomed anyone and I actually try avoid podding. Ive done my fair share of "carebearing" and pvp is just another part of eve I like to try out. Im not really bothered by the GCC. I am on the other hand fairly sure more pvp would blossom if it was reduced or the timer reset was changed in some manner. And no I dont seriusly hate the GCC you should perhaps study posts furhter until you decide to troll. And how is running missions griefing a pvper? I didnt know eve was some sort of war between mission runners and pvpers? Its different aspects of the game. Some people enjoy both some enjoy neither. Stop trolling and please bring some good arguments. Why should we not encourage more pvp in a pvp oriented game, and yes to answer your previus post. I have read nearly all your whines, why dont you go reprosess your character over it a bit?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:27:00 - [68] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:30:43 Learn to read. Never called you a pirate. And the obligatory, u mad? And again, I'm honored you've taken the time and cared enough to read all my posts. I know few people have taken their time to actually read all of my work. It's nice to find someone who cares enough to do it. And for that I am very greatful. I'm serious. Thank you. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:29:00 - [69] 1. Move to null 2. ??? 3. Profit! Although I suppose there are significantly less stupid targets down here, there's no GCC! :D 101SMF Recruiter CONTACT INFO Skype -- cpl.aihwa IRC -- irc.raelgun.net #The_Aihwa_Lair Tinychat -- http://tinychat.com/aihwa Ingame -- 101SM RECRUITMENT
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:30:00 - [70] Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 12:36:16 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:28:27 Learn to read. Never called you a pirate. And the obligatory, u mad? And again, I'm honored you've taken the time to read all my posts. I know few people have taken the time to actually read all of my work. It's nice to find someone that cares enough to do it. And for that I am very greatful. I'm serious. Thank you. Ah you are right, sorry. I missed that. I oh the other hand have the ego to admit erros :) So back to the point shall we? Care to answer my question about encouraging pvp in lowsec in a pvp oriented game? Originally by: Super Whopper School is out and the 13 year olds are here to amuse us with their middle class misery. I suggest a razer blade, instead of wasting your time proving how 1337 you aren't. Hmmm bitter much? Try brushing the sand out of your vagina, and bring some arguments to the discussion

Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:33:00 - [71] School is out and the 13 year olds are here to amuse us with their middle class misery. I suggest a razer blade, instead of wasting your time proving how 1337 you aren't.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:41:00 - [72] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:46:04 Originally by: Scott Ryder Ah you are right, sorry. I missed that. I oh the other hand have the ego to admit erros :) So back to the point shall we? Care to answer my question about encouraging pvp in lowsec in a pvp oriented game? You're assuming that open "no-holds-barred" PVP should be allowed in lo sec. Remember that Eve is divided into "teers" (no pun intended), hi, lo, and null sec. PVP is allowed in lo sec, but it isn't the PVP you would expect say, in null sec. There are still rules in lo sec. So to answer your question, yes, PVP is encouraged in lo sec, more so than hi sec, but less than you would expect in 0.0. If lo sec was meant to exclusively encourage PVP to the max then you wouldn't have GCCs at ALL. Gates and stations wouldn't shoot you either. But that isn't the case. The timer is there to serve as a deterrent to SOME degree. You may not like it. And you may (rightfully) feel like it's a deterrent to PVP, and you are correct. It's meant to serve as a PARTIAL deterrent. But by no means does it completely discourage PVP either. In other words, it serves slight consequences for breaking the rules. 0.0, on the other hand, IS trully a no-holds-barred environment. And if that is what you're looking for then that is the place for you. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:54:00 - [73] Quote: 0.0, on the other hand, IS trully a no-holds-barred environment. And if that is what you're looking for then that is the place for you. Sadly it's not so linear. It's not "just" Hi sec = no PvP, Lo sec = limited PvP and null sec = full PvP. Lo sec is also small and more fun PvP for those who are stuffed at waking up at 2.30am, blob up and go 50 jumps away and waste 6 hours at some unknown POS. 0.0 PvP can be terrible. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.29 13:05:00 - [74] Everyone who does alarm clock ops is taking eve way too serious, also in 0.0 barely anyone does that. And if you dont like being in 60-person fleets, dont join a corp/alliance that does them. Go solo roaming through 0.0, or join a smallish corp that usually bases from either npc 0.0 or surrounding empire space. But wanting to change low sec into 0.0 but refusing to enter 0.0 because it is so scary is just stupid.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.29 13:05:00 - [75] Edited by: Aiwha on 29/08/2010 13:07:59 Originally by: Scott Ryder Some people just prefer small gang pvp. Not mining ops, ratting and huge lagfests. 12-20 people is a lagfest? I'm not sure if people realize, with Dominion bringing BC/HAC fleets to the foreground, blobbing is really reserved for defense, or SOV warfare. 15 or so BC's, 4 logi, and ewar guy, a few tackle, and away you go. I haven't blobbed since the last NC incursion. Its been allot of smaller fleet roams, good times. 101SMF Recruiter CONTACT INFO Skype -- cpl.aihwa IRC -- irc.raelgun.net #The_Aihwa_Lair Tinychat -- http://tinychat.com/aihwa Ingame -- 101SM RECRUITMENT
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.29 13:09:00 - [76] Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 13:10:38 Originally by: Furb Killer Everyone who does alarm clock ops is taking eve way too serious, also in 0.0 barely anyone does that. And if you dont like being in 60-person fleets, dont join a corp/alliance that does them. Go solo roaming through 0.0, or join a smallish corp that usually bases from either npc 0.0 or surrounding empire space. But wanting to change low sec into 0.0 but refusing to enter 0.0 because it is so scary is just stupid. How is 0.0 scary? Its nearly as safe as highsec. 0.0 isnt scary, some people just prefer smaller fleets. Some people just dont like lag or blobs. Originally by: Aiwha Edited by: Aiwha on 29/08/2010 13:07:59 12-20 people is a lagfest? I'm not sure if people realize, with Dominion bringing BC/HAC fleets to the foreground, blobbing is really reserved for defense, or SOV warfare. 15 or so BC's, 4 logi, and ewar guy, a few tackle, and away you go. I haven't blobbed since the last NC incursion. Its been allot of smaller fleet roams, good times. Then you have better experience with 0.0 then what I have. All I actually remember was blobs and lag.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 13:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Sadly it's not so linear. For better or for worse, it really isn't. But reducing the GCC timer isn't going make it any more linear either (if that is what you're looking to accomplish). Quote: It's not "just" Hi sec = no PvP, Lo sec = limited PvP and null sec = full PvP. Never said hi sec = no PVP. What I did say is that the mechanics encourage more PVP in lo sec than hi sec, but less than 0.0. Quote: Lo sec is also small and more fun PvP for those who are stuffed at waking up at 2.30am, blob up and go 50 jumps away and waste 6 hours at some unknown POS. 0.0 PvP can be terrible. You can get this type of fight in null sec as well. You just have to know where to look. But assuming you can ONLY find small fights during the day in lo sec and lo sec only, remember that there are three tiers. And they need to accomodate different play styles, not just your own. Changing the GCC does have a global effect in the game and WILL alter other play styles. And while some may not care that other play styles would be getting screwed others do. What you may want to ask for in this case, is for a different type of lo sec where there isn't a GCC and gate guns, and whatever other "deterrents" you feel are stopping you from PVPing. But then again, there already is: NPC 0.0. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.08.29 14:02:00 - [78] I hate all other players. Their playstyles should be nerfed, as they are overpowered. My playstyle needs to be buffed. CCP also should give me 100,000,000 free SP and a Titan for thinking this revolutionary idea.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2010.08.29 15:46:00 - [79] If 15 minutes is "dead time" because you're just hiding somewhere to wait it out, it clearly isn't long enough to be working. Let's make it a 1h timer and see if pirates will still be hiding stupidly or if it then works as intended (i.e. has consequences for them). How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.29 15:54:00 - [80] Originally by: Pan Crastus If 15 minutes is "dead time" because you're just hiding somewhere to wait it out, it clearly isn't long enough to be working. Let's make it a 1h timer and see if pirates will still be hiding stupidly or if it then works as intended (i.e. has consequences for them). How is 15 minutes of not being able to go into highsec and being shot at on gates or stations not a consequence? ______

RazerKill New-Roots Care Factor	Posted - 2010.08.29 15:55:00 - [81] lol pirate qq go and nyx camp some 0.0 instead of low sec PiRatE KiTtY
Analissa Fiora	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:02:00 - [82] Edited by: Analissa Fiora on 29/08/2010 16:04:58 came in expecting pirate QQ. found it! thk you op did not dissapoint
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:06:00 - [83] If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7.
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:12:00 - [84] Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08 Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7. There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to. ______
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:13:00 - [85] Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08 Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7. There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to. I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:15:00 - [86] Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:15:38 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08 Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7. There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to. I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kill_rights ______
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:32:00 - [87] Edited by: Mag''s on 29/08/2010 16:33:53 If your GCC only lasts for 15 minutes, you're doing it wrong. Edit: Oh and quit whining ffs. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Troll o'Ninetails	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:54:00 - [88] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Brusanan Edited by: Brusanan on 29/08/2010 16:12:08 Originally by: Brian Ballsack If it wasnt for this c/d you would be out there popping industrials and miners and various other people that cant shoot back 23/7. There is no such thing as someone who can't shoot back. There are only those who are too afraid to. I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. Now if only that hulk pilot wasn't afraid of using it against a player. Ive pvped in a hulk 150 - 200 dps from drones if i dont recall wrongly. It can also be a 600 dps omnitank. But that was when pithi b and gistii b was cheap :\ Now I wouldnt consider it.. X ♥ VOTE TROLL ♥
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:56:00 - [89] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I hear mining lasers do quite the damage. We need Frontier-style mining lasers in Eve.
Jekyl Eraser	Posted - 2010.08.29 17:25:00 - [90] Only annoying thing about GCC is when the timer is reset back to 15mins when doing nothing but going near a gategun. Is it a bug originally and then accepted as a feature?

Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.08.29 17:33:00 - [91] If anything I would love to see it extended. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.29 17:36:00 - [92] Originally by: Jekyl Eraser Only annoying thing about GCC is when the timer is reset back to 15mins when doing nothing but going near a gategun. Is it a bug originally and then accepted as a feature? That's not GCC, that's the aggro timer. You can let your GCC run out but still have aggro to the stations and gates. ______
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.08.29 17:59:00 - [93] Originally by: El Liptonez Go to 0.0 ffs. Yes, please leave low sec more broken than it already is. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
jimmy jack	Posted - 2010.08.29 18:51:00 - [94] back in the day when i was a pirate i ignored the gcc and sat my ass on the gate and welcomed the beating of the guns with glee. it was a badge of courage, ive even had some of my best fights under the gcc. to fight off a bs and a bc and kill another at the same time all the while tanking the sentry was me at my best, and yes i was all alone for that one. so what you get shot for 15 minutes... build a setup that can easily tank it and move on.
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.30 00:04:00 - [95] Originally by: Nova Fox If anything I would love to see it extended. I've had a few too many but I will see what I can do. ~
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2010.08.30 16:30:00 - [96] Originally by: Brusanan Originally by: Pan Crastus If 15 minutes is "dead time" because you're just hiding somewhere to wait it out, it clearly isn't long enough to be working. Let's make it a 1h timer and see if pirates will still be hiding stupidly or if it then works as intended (i.e. has consequences for them). How is 15 minutes of not being able to go into highsec and being shot at on gates or stations not a consequence? Not being able to go to highsec is no problem with the countless alts nowdays. Being shot at on gates/stations is mildly annoying, but obviously not as big a concern as boredom according to the OP. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Kojee DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2010.08.30 18:31:00 - [97] Too bad you can't forum-gank people :/ Lots of carebears have posted in this thread. I agree with the OP on this one, but I can see why all these carebears are getting the tear ducts flowing. Let's consider the benefits/drawbacks of the timer from different perspectives: Carebear Benefits: ò Extra DPS on pirates looking to kill me at gates/stations ò Free aggression on anyone with GCC Drawbacks: ò Potential loss of demand caused by (lack of)destruction of property -> decreased prices on items -> less profit Pirate Benefits: ò Potential incentive for my targets to aggress me (they can't dock/jump and I may look like an easier kill) Drawbacks: ò More incoming DPS ò More time I have to spend away from station/gate All in all, the mechanic is more or less balanced. Being a pirate, I'd be down with the timer being dropped to 5 minutes rather than 15. The result is the same: I have to be smarter about when I attack. GCC won't stop me from killing a ship unless I'm by myself and the ship equals or is larger than my own ship's class, which doesn't happen very often to begin with (I'm usually with friends and flying a larger ship, BC or BS). The only reason carebears would want the GCC to stay where it is, or to increase it, is because it would mean less possibility of them getting ganked in lowsec, which is a complete fallacy anyway. If a pirate wants to blow you up, they'll do it with or without GCC. We're resourceful enough and can typically summon help if needed. How often do carebears come into lowsec anyway? Not very. If a carebear comes into lowsec alone they basically deserve to die. All you have to do is go in a gang; your typical small pirate gang of 2 to 4 ships will think twice about attacking a fleet of ships twice its size. I might attack, but that's just me :)


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