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Posted - 2004.12.26 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 26/12/2004 16:43:27
Greetings all. No this isn't another "ore thieves suxor" thread. I won't complain about the obvious.
I had an idea for dealing with ore theft but I need some input from people in the know to see if it would work. Namely "pirates" who have suffered the wrath of Concord (and anyone else who has).
Questions for you:
1. Once you fired on someone in Empire how long does it take for Concord to arrive (say your at a belt)?
2. How long from your firing until your actually locked by Concord?
I'm asking because my idea is this. Park a tanked Raven at a belt (with full insurance in case it doesn't work). Load it up with six cruise missiles in launchers, burst dampners and a cloaking device.
Now when the ore thief cruises up you decloak, let go a barrage of cruise missiles then cloak again ASAP.
Will Concord find you while cloaked? I've seen people say it takes a few seconds for them to appear. A few seconds is all it takes to fire and recloak.
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Posted - 2004.12.26 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 26/12/2004 16:43:27
Greetings all. No this isn't another "ore thieves suxor" thread. I won't complain about the obvious.
I had an idea for dealing with ore theft but I need some input from people in the know to see if it would work. Namely "pirates" who have suffered the wrath of Concord (and anyone else who has).
Questions for you:
1. Once you fired on someone in Empire how long does it take for Concord to arrive (say your at a belt)?
2. How long from your firing until your actually locked by Concord?
I'm asking because my idea is this. Park a tanked Raven at a belt (with full insurance in case it doesn't work). Load it up with six cruise missiles in launchers, burst dampners and a cloaking device.
Now when the ore thief cruises up you decloak, let go a barrage of cruise missiles then cloak again ASAP.
Will Concord find you while cloaked? I've seen people say it takes a few seconds for them to appear. A few seconds is all it takes to fire and recloak.
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Posted - 2004.12.26 16:55:00 -
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"Genius! Now miners won't ever have to worry about orethieves again! As they won't be allowed in 0.5 and higher because of their mutilated sec.
Not to mention the time and preparation thi takes that could've been spent mining."
I wasn't thinking of miners for this I was thinking of mercenaries. But thanks for the compliment (genius ).
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Posted - 2004.12.26 16:55:00 -
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"Genius! Now miners won't ever have to worry about orethieves again! As they won't be allowed in 0.5 and higher because of their mutilated sec.
Not to mention the time and preparation thi takes that could've been spent mining."
I wasn't thinking of miners for this I was thinking of mercenaries. But thanks for the compliment (genius ).
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Posted - 2004.12.26 18:03:00 -
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"Assuming you use a Prototype Cloak it would take 30 seconds before you can reactivate it."
Well even if you uncloak you have to wait anyway to fire because there is a penalty 50% to sensor lock time with a cloak installed. So theoretically you should be able to reactivate again.
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"I'm starting to think that the only people that post about ore "theft" are nothing more than griefers that intend to start a flame war."
If you've ever read my posts do you honestly think I'm a griefer?
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"1. Lag is a factor. If it is laggy, CONCORD's arrival will be delayed."
Good point Joshua. Might work better in a busy busy system.
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"I thought it was considered an exploit (by the GM's not the forum warriors) to gank in Concord contolled space and not lose your ship, hence the uber webbing/scrambling their ships possess"
There have been instances of pirate/gankers camping gates in empire with super-tanked battleships and podding people. This is a little different though. Ore theft is a "problem" CCP refuses to deal with (I thought they were going to put in a way to kill these guys??). Anyway this is just a little "turnabout". As CCP always says they want people to live with the consequences of their actions. Well ore theft in empire space in an alt corp has no consequences. This just levels the playing field a little.
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Posted - 2004.12.26 18:03:00 -
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Quote:
"Assuming you use a Prototype Cloak it would take 30 seconds before you can reactivate it."
Well even if you uncloak you have to wait anyway to fire because there is a penalty 50% to sensor lock time with a cloak installed. So theoretically you should be able to reactivate again.
Quote:
"I'm starting to think that the only people that post about ore "theft" are nothing more than griefers that intend to start a flame war."
If you've ever read my posts do you honestly think I'm a griefer?
Quote:
"1. Lag is a factor. If it is laggy, CONCORD's arrival will be delayed."
Good point Joshua. Might work better in a busy busy system.
Quote:
"I thought it was considered an exploit (by the GM's not the forum warriors) to gank in Concord contolled space and not lose your ship, hence the uber webbing/scrambling their ships possess"
There have been instances of pirate/gankers camping gates in empire with super-tanked battleships and podding people. This is a little different though. Ore theft is a "problem" CCP refuses to deal with (I thought they were going to put in a way to kill these guys??). Anyway this is just a little "turnabout". As CCP always says they want people to live with the consequences of their actions. Well ore theft in empire space in an alt corp has no consequences. This just levels the playing field a little.
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Posted - 2004.12.27 15:18:00 -
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"Anyone who knows anything knows who and what Archbishop stands for. Anyone accusing him of exploiting or trying to start a flame war should make a New Years resolution in 4 days time to be less n00bish in 2005."
Thank you for all the moral and character support. It's not my intention to create an exploit or anything. I've been victimized by these ore thieves (since I live in Empire and mine where I cant shoot them). I've tried to think of various ways to defeat them.
This idea came about after nearly losing a load of ICE to a thief. It was a Bestower race to the ore I won by about 550m (very intense  ).
Someone posted about "risk vs. reward" and correctly pointed out that in Empire the ore thieves operate with impunity. They have nothing but reward with no risk at all. Thats why I decided to try and figure out a way to counter them. While I do some mining in .5-.7 I also mine a .9 system heavily (has about 500 belts and is close to home). I can't use locked cans there and hauling 20 loads of tritanium to my base to build an Apoc isn't "fun" so I have to mine close to were I build.
I'm not real familiar with the "Zombie Incident" someone mentioned. I'd heard some players were gate camping in Empire in heavily tanked ships. I wasn't aware they had been banned.
Oh well. It was just an idea. From the sounds of it Concord is too quick and with .5 second lock times anyone trying this wouldn't have time to hit the cloak before being cannon fodder for Concord.
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Posted - 2004.12.27 15:18:00 -
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Quote:
"Anyone who knows anything knows who and what Archbishop stands for. Anyone accusing him of exploiting or trying to start a flame war should make a New Years resolution in 4 days time to be less n00bish in 2005."
Thank you for all the moral and character support. It's not my intention to create an exploit or anything. I've been victimized by these ore thieves (since I live in Empire and mine where I cant shoot them). I've tried to think of various ways to defeat them.
This idea came about after nearly losing a load of ICE to a thief. It was a Bestower race to the ore I won by about 550m (very intense ).
Someone posted about "risk vs. reward" and correctly pointed out that in Empire the ore thieves operate with impunity. They have nothing but reward with no risk at all. Thats why I decided to try and figure out a way to counter them. While I do some mining in .5-.7 I also mine a .9 system heavily (has about 500 belts and is close to home). I can't use locked cans there and hauling 20 loads of tritanium to my base to build an Apoc isn't "fun" so I have to mine close to were I build.
I'm not real familiar with the "Zombie Incident" someone mentioned. I'd heard some players were gate camping in Empire in heavily tanked ships. I wasn't aware they had been banned.
Oh well. It was just an idea. From the sounds of it Concord is too quick and with .5 second lock times anyone trying this wouldn't have time to hit the cloak before being cannon fodder for Concord.
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