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SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.08.30 18:14:00 - [1] I would like to present to you a new website which a friend and I have been working on for a little while. Initially we planned for the site to be an ôIn Corpö website which would allow its members to record their own exploration activity. We designed it to give Corp players rankings and statistics along with an individual statistics system which would allow you to see where you have had the most success, what types of signatures you have been finding the most etc. After we did some internal testing and getting some really positive feedback we decided to take the site one step further and release it to the exploration community. We have added a few additional features which we thought would be necessary for a ôGlobalö exploration website. IMPORTANT NOTE: Player Global Rankings are entirely optional, you are able to opt in and opt out at any time via your account page. IMPORTANT NOTE #2: Although the site will work in traditional web browsers, this site was designed to work specifically within the Eve Online In Game Browser, as it pulls some data from the client so you do not have to fill in certain fields of information yourself. Just be aware that if you choose to use an external web browser some features will be disabled. So, here are just a few of the features available at the moment: Instantly find statistics for the system that you are in via the "Current System" Page Personal Statistics which include, top 5 regions, top 5 systems, breakdown of signature finds by specific type Internal Corp Statistics which include the same stats as the individual statistics along with a ranking of players within the corporation based upon how many signatures they have found and the last 5 submissions made by players within your corp. Global Corp Statistics which give a ranking by total number of signatures found by each corp, broken down by which type of signatures they have found. Global Character Rankings which again, gives a ranking by total number of signatures found by each player broken down by signature types. You are able to comprehensively search the historical data in the database specific to region/system/signature type. We also have a community forum where you can share your experiences/feedback/general chat. So, after much waiting we are finally able to open up the site to the public for Beta testing. Exploration Database It is essential that you leave us feedback via the forums, that way we will be able to resolve any issues that you experience. SebN TL:DR Essentially an ôExploration Journalö which also doubles as an ôExploration Killboardö designed to run from within the IGB. Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.08.30 18:41:00 - [2] Yes, we do ask our users to register to be able to view the historical data and the real time reports, by doing this it allows you to post your feedback and ideas on the forums, ultimately this will lead to an improved and more functional site for everyone. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.08.30 19:04:00 - [3] I understand what you are saying and fully appreciate the concern. This site however is a totally different concept to eve-survival. It gives you personal statistics based upon your activities, personalised corporation statisics, allowing you to keep a log and share corporation activity. Unfortunatly we need for the users to authenticate with the website to make sure your data is protected. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.08.31 07:02:00 - [4] Edited by: SebN on 31/08/2010 07:02:02 Thanks for the support! Please feel free to leave any suggestions either in this post or on the forum Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.08.31 16:51:00 - [5] Just a few updates to report: Added the ability to browse by signature id Added check for duplicate signature id, removing the possibility of duplicate entries. Added "All" option to the region field when browsing the database Please check the changelog for full changes. Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 07:45:00 - [6] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I'm kinda confused here. The overall idea sounds good but I'm not sure if players want to disclose the location of systems where they get a lot of exploration sites. I know I'm not going to give up prime location's when I've searched for a long time to create 'Exploration Routes' that all have double digit amounts of exploration sites found in each system. If so, then there would be a lot of players scanning in my 'Exploration Routes' and then those systems would end up being just as dead and empty as the heavy population systems. I don't mind giving up information about the system security level and the exploration site's found. As for location, nope, sorry. I don't even like the idea of saying what Region it was found in. If locations can be kept 'confidential' then I wouldn't have a problem with sharing basic information about what was found. Just some thoughts from a 'Poor' overworked explorer. Thanks for your suggestions! So your thinking along the lines of: Including the whole database into the opt in/out system, instead of just the char rankings But would not mind releasing Entries so long as location cannot be seen What is everyone elses view on this? Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 11:53:00 - [7] Edited by: SebN on 01/09/2010 11:53:29 How would you feel about removing the system name from the browse database results ( To prevent discovery/rush to popular systems ) This would allow users to keep their most popular routes hidden, yet still grow the database for everyone to use. Thanks Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 12:35:00 - [8] Just as another note to your last post DeMichael, the initial idea of the database was to see if a pattern would emerge between the types of site and the signature ID naming scheme. This is something that we are very interested in, I get the feeling that we are going to need a LOT of data to be submitted into the database to make any progress on this. I am going to review the privacy of the data this evening with my other developer and see what we can do. I fully understand that people would not want to give away specific intel on where they scan etc. We just need to work out what is "just enough" information to make the data useful for everyone. In terms of it being just like "BattleClinic" we will definatly make some changes to the opt-in and out system. Most likely to the extent where if you want all your data to be private you will have the ability to do so. This is all good feedback and we welcome any more comments. Remember, we designed this site for the explorers out there, so if you have a suggestion let us know and we will do our best to implement it. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 16:58:00 - [9] Update: For the time being we have removed the system name from the "Browse Database" results page for privacy reasons. This feature is currently under review pending feedback from the community. Note: You are still able to search by specific system name SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 17:50:00 - [10] Edited by: SebN on 01/09/2010 17:54:53 Originally by: Elena Vherokia There is no pattern to the site naming scheme. Apart from that names (aka xyz-123) are reset after dt. Whilst the chance to "Crack" the naming algorithm would have been nice (if the above statement is correct, I would love to see a post by a dev to confirm this) it really is secondary to the concept of the site. If we could ever get this confirmed then it would allow us additional resources to improve the Journal and Rankings aspect of the site. NOTE: We have made a few additional privacy changes over the past hour or so. You will now only appear in your corp statistics and on the global statistics pages if you have opted into the Global Ranking system. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:27:00 - [11] We have had some great feedback from many people regarding the privacy element of our website, therefore we have modified the database website to be a lot more privacy aware. Please visit the ChangeLog on our forums for more information. Remember you are able to modify your privacy settings via the Account page. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.01 22:23:00 - [12] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson If the Constellation name as well as the System name is kept confidential, I think that would be fine. The Region name and the System Security Level should be enough information to give other Explorers an idea what to expect when in that area. As it stands now (since tonight due to the feedback so far) you are currently unable to see the system name via the browse page. Only the signature id, signature type, region and date. Unfortunately at the moment, there is no way to "grab" the security status of the system from the IGB. It has been on the Requested Headers page for a while now. Obviously there are other methods we could utilise to associate the security status with the system name but that would require a fairly radical redesign of the site (in terms of time, we are only 2 guys working on this). It is definatly a possibility for the future though. It would be great if you could post the suggestion on our feedback section of our Forum to help remind us. Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Now about the option to search a specific System by name, I'm not sure about that and will need to think about it a bit more. I might have the wrong impression about that option but it seems to me that someone could log in, sit in a station and do a System by System name search and within a couple of hours would have the names of all the 'Prime' Systems where multiple Exploration sites are found. I think this would be a major exploitation of the Database as well as create a rush by other Explorers to those Systems which would then soon be emptied and void of Exploration sites. Not to mention that it would also deprive the original Explorer of his 'special' Exploration Routes that was found by a lot of hard work and time invested. If possible, maybe have the System name search option only available when the Explorer is currently in the same Constellation that the System is located in, then that might work more to help keep 'Prime' locations a bit more confidential. Yup, I can see your concern there. It is a valid one, although it would be fairly time consuming for someone to exploit it, it would still be possible. (and we know how patient an EVE player can be) The other developer and I have been having a long discussion tonight regarding the System search function. One of the possibilities that we talked about was only having signatures "viewable" within the database if the person who has submitted them has decided to "Opt In" to the global ranking system. Our only concern here was that if every player decided to "opt out" it would leave the database appearing empty to users. Which would kind of negate the idea of the site. What are your thoughts on this? Appreciate the feedback. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:13:00 - [13] Siiee, I know what you are saying regarding the signature strength, the only issue with having data like that stored in the database is that imo there are far too many variables which can affect the results, i.e. Player Skills, Ship type used, probe type used, rigs used etc etc. I shall have a think about the possibiliy of storing the data for "personal use" for each user. If we were to just analyse every sig strength result from players the data would not be of any use due to the variables (as mentioned above). DeMichael, I have been having a think about the constellation search feature, i.e. only able to search the systems within your current constellation. It would involve some database-jiggery but it is certainly possible, perhaps even to the extent where if you were to visit the browse page, the system field would be a drop down list populated with just the systems in your current constellation. The more i think about it the more i like it, we shall have a real think about this idea. Whilst we would be changing the way the db works we could also tie in the security status of each system. Anyway, thanks again for the feedback, keep it coming. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.02 22:19:00 - [14] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Good to hear that. Just a few more thoughts or questions. Is this Database just for Cosmic Signatures or will the Database also include Cosmic Anomalys? If so, will there be an option to only show one or the other as well as both? DMC We have now added Anomaly to the available signature types, the majority of statistics tables have been updated to relfect this change, the others will follow shortly. In regards of being able to filter the results between including anomalies and everything else, you will be able to distinguish what is an anomaly and what is an "unknown" now we have made the change. Is this what you mean? Would appreciate your feedback on a new feature that we are planning. You can view the post here on our forums. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.03 12:44:00 - [15] Edited by: SebN on 03/09/2010 12:49:28 Originally by: GBlock o/ Seb good job :) Hey mate, its been quite a while! How you been? Would love to get your ideas on this project, hit me up in game or post here when you are around :) Siiee; I shall have a rethink about the signal strength suggestion. Whilst it wasnt on our initial design plan it would be nice to have the database as complete as it could be, if users think it is an important feature then we shall do our best to implement it. SebN Site Update: Constellation limted Search should be implemented within the next day or so. Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.03 21:55:00 - [16] Update: Due to feedback we have now gone live with our implementation of current Constellation search. Please note, you are still able to search by signature id or region and signature type. This should alleviate concerns regarding privacy and being able to "hunt down" the best systems. We feel that current constellation is a good compromise. Please let us know what you think! You may view the changelog here. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.04 11:39:00 - [17] Edited by: SebN on 04/09/2010 11:43:31 Originally by: Eno Lacigol I don't do exploration that much, but I dabble in it now and again. Is it possible to opt in the information of the exact system I find sigs in, to help build a better database? Hi Eno, When you submit data into the database the system name along with various other bits of information are stored. Only you are able to see the specific system (and corp mates if you choose to opt in). Is this what you meant by your question? The foundations of the database are in place and running, we have members who are already eagerly entering data so give it a try. DeMichael, Thank your for your kind words and suggestions they have been noted and we shall have a think about the filtering of anomalies. Yes we have been working "overtime" on the site for the past few weeks. When we went live with this project we knew that there were going to be some immediate changes that would need to be addressed, such as the newly implemented Constellation restriced Search and other privacy changes. This initial "push" of development needed to happen to make the site better for everyone. We will continue to develop and improve the service for our members, and we consider every suggestion seriously as at the end of the day, we want you, as users to get what you want out of the site. We have many exciting ideas in the pipeline so why not log onto our forums and give us some feedback. SebN UPDATE: We are currently in the process of linking the security level of the system with each record and over the next day or so the results tables will be changed to reflect this. Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.07 20:05:00 - [18] Edited by: SebN on 07/09/2010 20:13:04 Edited by: SebN on 07/09/2010 20:10:06 Hey fellow Explorers, Just an update on the status of the Exploration Database, we have just gone live with the first iteration of our new Journal system. In this new area you are able to re-visit all of your old scanning results with ability to filter them. You are also now able to attach private comments and hints to your historical data for quick referencing in the future. We would love your feedback on this and welcome any new feature ideas. You are able to do this on our Feedback Forum We are rapidly approaching the 100 member mark and are having more and more signups each day, so for this, we thank you. We hope to build a community with this website and we are currently on the right track due to you guys. Kind Regards, SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.14 17:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Soldarius Interesting concept. In regards to the signal strength issue, with enough datapoints, the strengths could be averaged out to give a reliable average strength in the search results. Perhaps have the number of datapoints listed in small text next to the strength result so the user would have an idea how reliable the result is. I think I'll take a look at the site just to see how it works. Hey Soldarius, thanks for the feedback, this lack of signature strength being recorded has been a fairly hot topic between myself and the other developer, and we are still deciding how best we can implement it. It will be coming though. As a note: At the moment you are able to record the signature stength yourself by adding notes within the Journal section. Just as an update for the everyone, we broke the 1000th submission to the database this afternoon and we are extremely happy and gratefull to the players that are contributing. Over the past week the site has gained some attention and we have had over 700 submissions over this short period of time. We have been constantly developing the site and optimising the overall speed of it since we have gone live, we have also added a few more statistics, but we are ALWAYS open to feedback. Untill next time. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.16 10:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Triumdicta 404 on register.php page btw, why do we need to register to just browse? it's so annoying to register for everything i hate it Hi Triumdicta, apologies for the 404, it all appears to be working now, I shall have to check through the logs to see what happened, but thanks for letting us know. In regards to registering, we have authentication on the page for the users benefit, it allows us to have personalised statistics linked with your account. We have been discussing the registration process for browsing internally and weighing up the benefits of both sides of the argument, it is something that we are aware of though, as we understand some people might be hesitant to register. We hope to come to a conclusion soon. Untill next time. SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.20 10:44:00 - [21] Anonymous users are now able to browse the database and also see the Global statistics. Click to browse! Click to see Global Stats! Enjoy! SebN Exploration Database
SebN Eldritch Storm	Posted - 2010.09.30 08:21:00 - [22] URL has changed to http://www.explodb.co.uk/ Please update your EVE ingame browser trusted site to: http://www.explodb.co.uk/* --NEW-- True sec tool - Allows you to see the top systems in EVE ranked by true sec status. You can see the top 50 systems in EVE, or the top 10 in any region! Click here to try. Exploration Database

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