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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 10:09:00 -
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I'd have been fine with SD destroying loot - it'd make sense that if you designed self destruct mechanics into your spaceship you'd set it up to destroy all the sensitive or important items. But at the same time I won't complain over more free stuff.
Finally having killmails for it is a wonderful thing though. You cannot hide your terribleness from the universe any more. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 10:27:00 -
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Unfortunately all this will do is make more people move towards using that ejecting exploit. Except for the really terrible ones I guess, they're so bad they won't know how to do it. Or they'll panic and do it wrong and I end up with a free capital (repairs needed of course).
Also rib, please refrain from bigotry and insults. I'm sure you're capable of discussing this change without resorting to such disgusting behaviour, but if you can't feel free to self destruct your posts. Then we can look at the killmail and see how many officer tear launchers you have fitted. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 12:50:00 -
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Roime wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Why?
Why in hell do you cater so overtly to the very small (but insanely loud(mouthed)) group of players called griefers/gankers?
What makes you think that this has anything to do with griefing or ganking?
There's a certain type of player who think that any mechanic they don't like is 'griefing'. The majority of players realise this was an issue with reports of the events in a battle being a bit wonky because of a very old mechanic, but good luck getting these fools to understand that.
Repeat after me, folks: Blowing up your ship is not griefing. It is not griefing for the game to record/make visible your loss.
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 13:57:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Roime wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Why?
Why in hell do you cater so overtly to the very small (but insanely loud(mouthed)) group of players called griefers/gankers?
What makes you think that this has anything to do with griefing or ganking? There's a certain type of player who think that any mechanic they don't like is 'griefing'. The majority of players realise this was an issue with reports of the events in a battle being a bit wonky because of a very old mechanic, but good luck getting these fools to understand that. Repeat after me, folks: Blowing up your ship is not griefing. It is not griefing for the game to record/make visible your loss. Quite true, but think about it .. when/where do you encounter the SD, I bet it is not in what we like to call the 'Good Fight' .. which just happens to leave griefs and ganks. There is just no reason to press that button except when all possibilities of/options for survival has been exhausted. If you can blow up my ship then more power to you, but if you can't even be bothered to bring a tool big enough to do it before I fall asleep then I want the option of spitting in your face .. that is what they are taking away. Scuttling to avoid capture of materials and valuables has been used since mankind first discovered buoyancy and took to the sea to wage war (ie. quite a while). As I said, I am more than on board with it generating a mail or loot .. but it should not do both or the entire feature just makes no sense and should be removed outright (or given a 0-5s timer), doubly so if blobs are not working as intended .. because Goddess forbid that blob monkey's should have a grain of sand in their sandals, much better to stick rest of Eve's lower legs in cement!!!!!!!!!  Answer the question of why the mechanic should even be in game without the Spit-in-face function .. it adds absolutely nothing and offers nothing for the player other than the ability to save a bit of time before undocking in a new ship .. something that can be just easily accomplished by ejecting. Sure, ejecting leaves the whole ship in the hands of the anaemic dps aggressor, but a loss is a loss and it doesn't really matter to a mugging victim if a mugger only takes half the cash in his wallet before burning it or empties it proper like. Suggested change just makes no sense.
Well, even before considering the possibility of denying loot (which I'd be fine with), self destructing still allows for players to get out of certain places or situations. Stuck in a wormhole? SD. Someone pointed you and wont let you go (but wont kill you) until you pay a ransom? SD. Etc.
As for "but if you can't even be bothered to bring a tool big enough to do it" ... this isn't quite reasonable. For a start, the timer is a static two minutes, but the ehp of ships ramps up like crazy with capitals and supers. It's not that someone didn't have a force appropriate to kill the ship, it's just the fact that despite the ships survivability being scaled up, and even the aggressors forces being scaled up to overcome it... the effort/time/whatever for it to pop itself didn't scale at all. That was a bit silly. Also it's more of a problem in wormhole space where mass limits may prevent you bringing a force big enough to kill (potentially multiple) capitals, let alone wipe them out in under 120 seconds. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 15:55:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Veshta you obviously don't like blobbing and yet you want people to be able to "scuttle" their ship if their opponent doesn't blob enough ? (i can only assume you mean blobbing when you say griefs and ganks) You'll get more good fights if people don't have to bring overwhelming force to be able to get loot/killmail.
The change Masterplan is making is perfect because the old mechanic was idiotic and only kept in place because of whiney carebears who wanted to be able to grief the people who defeated them. (you can call it spit-in-the-face if you want)
But hey write off my opinion as just another insanely loudmouthed griefer/ganker, and not that of someone who has been active in this game since beta.
PS; as a roleplayer do you honestly think it's reasonable for every single ship in eve to have explosives rigged up everywhere that'll do more damage than any external attack could ? That's a colossal waste of resources, and a huge stupid risk to the safety of ship and crew.
Yes, that is entirely reasonable. Who WOULDN'T want to have their spaceship packed to the rafters with dangerous explosives and other such materials. Risk to the crew? It's motivation. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.07.31 20:08:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote: True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes. After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.
I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop.
So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something? |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:24:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ribikoka wrote: True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes. After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.
I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop. So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something? Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example. Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items. Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy. Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense.
It would help if you read posts before screaming that what I'm saying is bs, or that I'm a troll, or whatever else. I gave a handful of examples - beyond denying loot - of where self destructing is a useful, if not flat out necessary, game mechanic.
Since you've worked yourself up into an insane little rage and seem incapable of reading posts, I'll repeat them: Stuck in a wormhole? Self destruct to get out. Someone pointed you and threatening to hold you indefinitely unless you pay a ransom? Self destruct. On the other side of the universe and want to quickly get somewhere else? Self destruct.
I also urge you to self destruct all your ships before this change goes live, this is your last chance to hide your failfits and dumb choices from the rest of the universe. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.08.01 10:07:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ribikoka wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ribikoka wrote: True, just gunslinger troll dont understand anything from this changes. After this changes the SD function will be an useless feature which is nonsense and loot drops from a ship a fail when a player destruct his ship and his modules because he dont want to give them to enemy hands.
I do believe I gave very clear examples of where self destructing is still a useful action. I even said I personally wouldn't mind if loot DIDN'T drop. So I don't know why you're screaming that I'm a troll. Had to self destruct one too many capitals, have you? Don't want the rest of EVE to know you lost a ship because of an embarrassing lolfit or something? Your logic is bullsh*t and you gave a crap example. Man if the pilot use explosives to self destruct his ship and modules you just get wrecks and exploded!!! items. Do you understand this with your childish logic ? That's why using self destruct someone, because he dont want to give his ship and technologies to enemy. Without this feature the SD is useless and nonsense. It would help if you read posts before screaming that what I'm saying is bs, or that I'm a troll, or whatever else. I gave a handful of examples - beyond denying loot - of where self destructing is a useful, if not flat out necessary, game mechanic. Since you've worked yourself up into an insane little rage and seem incapable of reading posts, I'll repeat them: Stuck in a wormhole? Self destruct to get out. Someone pointed you and threatening to hold you indefinitely unless you pay a ransom? Self destruct. On the other side of the universe and want to quickly get somewhere else? Self destruct. I also urge you to self destruct all your ships before this change goes live, this is your last chance to hide your failfits and dumb choices from the rest of the universe. If would help if you trying to use your brain. Yes you are a troll without logical thinking. Maybe you never could to bring to fight enough firepower to sink enemy ships and crying to CCP when you cant get killmails. YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE NOT CIVILIAN GUNS YOU NOOB!!! And another thing self destruct a pod not equal with self destruct a ship after when someone agressed your ship. Maybe equal for you without brain but not for other else. The SD is nonsense after this patch when someone aggressed you. Why use anyone when the ship will drop loots and wont give to no one any advance. Other one, why will drop loots, when a player exploding his modules/ships, designedly annihilate his stuffs. When someone exploding his combat tools that will be undamaged ??? LOL Maybe you used failfit, your unlogical thinking show to us your answer, but the real pilots, (not you noob) dont want to give to enemy his very expensive modules, that's why they exploding their ships, because they know they will lost their ship. Thats why the military why destroying their high technologies,when no chance to survive because they dont want to give their stuffs to enemy. So, the loot drop after selfdestructing it's a fail. The killmail it's fine if the killmail info includes the self destructing at involved parties and the exploded ship HP what the ship owner destroyed.
Ah, so your gripe is with self destructing being "fail" or "useless" specifically when in combat (rather than in general, which is obviously a silly thing to suggest, for the reasons I've pointed out)?
Well all I can say to that is deal with it. You were going to lose a ship anyway (because of you were doing something stupid or have an embarrassing lolfit and got caught), but now the people who put in the time and effort to kill you get an accurate battle report and maybe some loot. Seems fine to me :) |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:19:00 -
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Untouchable Heart wrote:The butthurt by Bite Me inc because they didnt bring enough firepower to shot a noobship and didnt got a simple killmail.
We're not butthurt about you self destructing your failfit capitals ribikoka, we'd just like to see battle reports existing. Which we're going to get because CCP happen to agree with us. We look forward to your tears and failfit killmails in the future. And the gytostabs you fit to your archon, or whatever other lol mods you have, since they'll drop for our amusement and profits. |

TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:27:00 -
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If you want to "deny loot" then don't involve yourself in a fight. Simple. More loot for me please, as well as delicious killmails and tears. |
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2012.08.21 10:35:00 -
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The way I see it, self destructing was meant to be a mechanic to allow you to get out of certain situations - like being griefed by being held indefinitely by someone, or being trapped in a wormhole, or whatever, not as a way for you to 'get back' at the person who killed you. |
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