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Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:18:00 - [1] Breaking News! HHLOTTO, A.K.A. Helena Hurry, has been proven to be untrustworthy. Who have you really been giving your ISK to? I started this story with the intention of exposing dishonest lottery runners. Here is my first story about HHLOTTO. Bear in mind that all the following content is unedited and told neutrally. There are others that I can expose as well, but for now I will release this story first. I had begun the conversation with HHLOTTO with the intention of getting enough information to use as blackmail material. What I found out through the various conversations was rather disturbing. Through several of my conversations I found that Grendell was innocent and didn't support rigging lotteries. However, HHLOTTO was eager to get started right away. I had said that I have a few ships I wish to give for the lottery. This had amazed her, but she was suspicious. I began to explain that she would have to rig the lottery to make an alt win. I told her this is a win-win situation. If she were to lottery out some of my supercaps she could keep all 100% if the ticket profit. She would in turn sell the ship off her alt and send me that ISK. She fell right into my trap. I continued to collect information. I believed that I had enough so I sent the blackmail mail. I had told her to send me 5billion ISK (Which is a fair price for her stature) or I would post this thread. She never came through. That pretty much sums it all up. Below are various convoes for viable proof. Convos: Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100815_234819 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_002917 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_004546 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_005712 Disclaimer: Blackmail is not violating any rules, nor is posting links to retrieve convoes.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:19:00 - [2] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Breaking News! HHLOTTO, A.K.A. Helena Hurry, has been proven to be untrustworthy. Who have you really been giving your ISK to? I started this story with the intention of exposing dishonest lottery runners. Here is my first story about HHLOTTO. Bear in mind that all the following content is unedited and told neutrally. There are others that I can expose as well, but for now I will release this story first. I had begun the conversation with HHLOTTO with the intention of getting enough information to use as blackmail material. What I found out through the various conversations was rather disturbing. Through several of my conversations I found that Grendell was innocent and didn't support rigging lotteries. However, HHLOTTO was eager to get started right away. I had said that I have a few ships I wish to give for the lottery. This had amazed her, but she was suspicious. I began to explain that she would have to rig the lottery to make an alt win. I told her this is a win-win situation. If she were to lottery out some of my supercaps she could keep all 100% if the ticket profit. She would in turn sell the ship off her alt and send me that ISK. She fell right into my trap. I continued to collect information. I believed that I had enough so I sent the blackmail mail. I had told her to send me 5billion ISK (Which is a fair price for her stature) or I would post this thread. She never came through. That pretty much sums it all up. Below are various convoes for viable proof. Convos: Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100815_234819 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_002917 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_004546 Private_Chat_(HHLOTTO)_20100816_005712 Disclaimer: Blackmail is not violating any rules, nor is posting links to retrieve convoes. In before the man locks it...
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:48:00 - [3] She is a potential cheater. Do not trust her with your hard earned ISK.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Zelot Blueice She is a potential cheater. Do not trust her with your hard earned ISK. Potential? I think the first convo was pretty straight up about she was cool with rigging a lottery.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 04/09/2010 19:59:16 Yeah, if only I had the supercaps to actually do it, we both coulda made isk, but alas I didnt
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.04 20:00:00 - [6] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 20:00:08 Originally by: Zelot Blueice Yeah, if only I had the supercaps to actually do it, we both coulda made isk, but alas I didnt. I have no caps plus i don't involve myself in lotteries that are known to be lies. However, when you said you had proof someone was dirty, i couldn't wait to reply to the post.
Molesty Smurf	Posted - 2010.09.04 22:16:00 - [7] Originally by: logs Anaxis muntain is something else. Uh oh you've been called out anaxis. For what its worth, anaxis has bought into all of my (4) lotteries... I don't think he's won anything yet. Also, is there anything in there that is actual definitive proof? A chatlog can be faked, after all.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 22:17:00 - [8] I know it can be faked but thats alot of **** to fake. I am too lazy. Anyway, I did have pictures of the convoes but lost them. I will try and find them.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.04 22:18:00 - [9] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 22:18:28 Originally by: Molesty Smurf Originally by: logs Anaxis muntain is something else. Uh oh you've been called out anaxis. For what its worth, anaxis has bought into all of my (4) lotteries... I don't think he's won anything yet. Also, is there anything in there that is actual definitive proof? A chatlog can be faked, after all. Grendell was involved in one of the convo's. So i guess you might be able to ask him. Edit: To The "Grendell" Channel!
Fh'ear Caldari Asset Relocation Specialist Enterprises Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:10:00 - [10] Am I missing something? Out of those convo's I see Zelot saying he has x, y and z for lotto and he wants to rig them, and HH saying uh huh, uh huh, uh huh, and in the last convo when Zelot asks how they're going to rig it HH says you can't and that he won't. Am I missing something in these? Where is the admission of rigging from HH?
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:14:00 - [11] He was into the whole thing. At any point if he wanted to he could have done it. HHLOTTO wanted to play it safe, but none the less she was tempted. This alone is already enough to incriminate.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Fh'ear Am I missing something? Out of those convo's I see Zelot saying he has x, y and z for lotto and he wants to rig them, and HH saying uh huh, uh huh, uh huh, and in the last convo when Zelot asks how they're going to rig it HH says you can't and that he won't. Am I missing something in these? Where is the admission of rigging from HH? Well, someone who didn't stop at the first mention of rigging his own lottery is rather fishy.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Zelot Blueice He was into the whole thing. At any point if he wanted to he could have done it. HHLOTTO wanted to play it safe, but none the less she was tempted. This alone is already enough to incriminate. Anytime I'm in highsec I'm tempted to blow a random neutral out of the sky. Should CONCORD preemptively destroy me? Sounds to me like you failed at blackmail. Try harder next time. I like me.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:42:00 - [14] Yes, obviously I have failed or else I wouldnt be here. She should have stopped at the beginnning and left the convo. Infact somewhere between the beginnning and middle she insisted on rigging it. Why dont you read it all first before you post?
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:47:00 - [15] Because I can. I like me.
JennyD	Posted - 2010.09.05 00:14:00 - [16] So basically HHLOTTO did not rig any lottery? I hear HHLOTTO was collecting information about idiots that are trying to blackmail lottery runners into giving them isk/ships ? I hear these idiots have not managed to score any isk/ships from the lottery runners ? I hear these kids have got all emo , stamped their feet , squealed about how their daddies are bigger then other kids daddies . This all sound about right ?
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 00:52:00 - [17] LOL sorry im just LOLING :P because you just showed how I dont rig my lottos and how I repeatedly said I DONT RIG LOTTOS lol
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 00:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 05/09/2010 00:56:23 Okay, tell me which covno says you DONT RIG LOTTOS and copy a few lines above and below the quote. Please. I will never trust you with my isk. You were so willing to rig it wasnt even funny. You are definately dangerous to my wallet. [ 2010.08.15 23:49:11 ] Zelot Blueice > Okay well I have another deal. # [ 2010.08.15 23:49:29 ] Zelot Blueice > I am thinking rig the thing, your alt gets the hel and you give me 50% of the price its worth # [ 2010.08.15 23:49:35 ] Zelot Blueice > 16bill so 8b for me? # [ 2010.08.15 23:49:54 ] HHLOTTO > would this be before or after the lotto is done? # [ 2010.08.15 23:49:58 ] Zelot Blueice > I mean 16 for me # [ 2010.08.15 23:50:00 ] Zelot Blueice > After # [ 2010.08.15 23:50:26 ] Zelot Blueice > You will make the price of the hel in lotto tickets. And you will have a hel. So I ask that i can just get 16ish afterwards # [ 2010.08.15 23:50:26 ] HHLOTTO > id be down for that if your interested in it Here is this part of one of the convoes for you to chew on. Explain this.
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:00:00 - [19] Edited by: HHLOTTO on 05/09/2010 01:02:36 as stated you wouldve bought the bulk of the tickets? paying 16 bill for it. so its not rigging but just stiffing yourself out of 16 billion isk if the other 400 tickets win which is just you losing 16 billion isk lol. EDIT: also if you read what you posted carefully im responding to every other thing you say I never said id be down for rigging lottos but for being down with the 16 bill deal
Carson Achura Colonial Defense Agency	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:03:00 - [20] I have been following this thread all day and HHLOTTO, I gotta say that you are really stupid for even considering rigging it. Can you please bring some supporting evidence to the table that you infact misunderstood Zelot. It seems to me you understood everyword.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:04:00 - [21] You still havn't cited what I wanted cited HHLOTTO. Why the hesitation? Is it perhaps that you really are bad and that you are worried if you paste those few lines you will actually reinforce the facts that I have been telling everyone?
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:05:00 - [22] Seriously talk to grendell me and him talked to this guy and did not even think of rigging... he said he had these super caps he wanted us to lotto so it was a good deal... didnt think he was trying to get me to rig it
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:06:00 - [23] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 05/09/2010 01:08:18 Prove you spoke with Grendell. Show us some unedited convoes. Go ahead and just paste the chatlogs here so we can all read them. Edit: You and grendell could have just had these convoes and had small talk as a defence plan against me if I went public so that you could easily paste them on my thread as anti. Keep this in mind folks. She is in it for the ISK, not for you. Another idea, why dont you get Grendell in here to confirm these things.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:07:00 - [24] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 01:07:43 gets popcorn
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:10:00 - [25] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 01:07:43 gets popcorn share please? I like me.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:12:00 - [26] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 01:12:41 Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: AtheistOfFail Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 01:07:43 gets popcorn share please? throws some popcorn at Aiwha Catch!
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:13:00 - [27] Edited by: HHLOTTO on 05/09/2010 01:14:18 also this guy zelot just wanted isk anyway... hey From: Zelot Blueice Sent: 2010.08.29 03:17 To: HHLOTTO, Remember out talk on the titans? Ill cut you a deal. You are obviously not a trusted lotto runner. You are willing to be tempted by dishonesty and profit so I will release these convoes to the public and ruin your entire reputation if you dont pay me a ransom of 5b. I think thats a fair asking consider I can damn everything you have made for a very long time. EDIT: With a 3rd party you cant even rig a lotto so do not even see how this had gotten this far lol
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:16:00 - [28] >_> <_< >_> <_< >_> <_< Balls in your court Zelot. I like me.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:17:00 - [29] LOL proof zelot is the true scammer I bet he is atheistoffail there both annoying...
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:18:00 - [30] HHLOTTO, Cite some god damn evidence from the convoes. Also, post your convoes here with Grendell, and if you read the OP i stated I wanted ISK from you. Perhaps you should read more. And it is possible with 3rd party. How do these people know if you and Grendell actually almost went through with this? POST YOUR CONVOES
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:19:00 - [31] Originally by: E Taylor LOL proof zelot is the true scammer I bet he is atheistoffail there both annoying... Lol? I don't even like Zelot
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:22:00 - [32] Dont need to post anymore due to I know I dont rig Lottos. Read every single convo you posted and I said several times I DONT RIG LOTTOS, all you want is isk and since you cant get any from me your crying to the "public". I just stated my point and you stated yours if yall dont want to participate in my Lottos so be it... I have never scammed anyone or rigged a lotto, but can you say the same for yourself?
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Zelot Blueice HHLOTTO, Cite some god damn evidence from the convoes. Also, post your convoes here with Grendell, and if you read the OP i stated I wanted ISK from you. Perhaps you should read more. And it is possible with 3rd party. How do these people know if you and Grendell actually almost went through with this? POST YOUR CONVOES Because we trust Grendell and haven't even heard of you before this? I like me.
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:30:00 - [34] Edited by: HHLOTTO on 05/09/2010 01:30:03 just wanted to state im glad I got haters means I must be doing something right :D Edit: Dusts off shoulder
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:33:00 - [35] # [ 2010.08.16 01:06:22 ] HHLOTTO > you pretty much have to buy tickets and try to win # [ 2010.08.16 01:06:35 ] Zelot Blueice > That cant work. Anaxis always wins >< # [ 2010.08.16 01:06:49 ] HHLOTTO > pretty much # [ 2010.08.16 01:06:52 ] Zelot Blueice > wat about dark? # [ 2010.08.16 01:07:06 ] HHLOTTO > if u buy more tickets than him you could win lol trayjan beats anaxis all the time lol # [ 2010.08.16 01:07:12 ] Zelot Blueice > I mean we need to get it rigged. I cant risk losing the ships for nothing. # [ 2010.08.16 01:07:19 ] HHLOTTO > nah none of the 3rd partiers rig lottos # [ 2010.08.16 01:07:38 ] Zelot Blueice > u know for a fact # [ 2010.08.16 01:07:45 ] HHLOTTO > yuh # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:58 ] Zelot Blueice > You think you can ask around? # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:10 ] Zelot Blueice > I mean we can try to do it this way but (not prefered) # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:17 ] HHLOTTO > ahhh sry man dont wanna risk losing all my customers lol # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:30 ] HHLOTTO > got a good customer base atm # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:34 ] Zelot Blueice > Hm sounds good. We will see if this nyx lotto can go # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:12 ] Zelot Blueice > Wait # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:20 ] HHLOTTO > ? # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:20 ] Zelot Blueice > losing customer by contacting 3rd party? # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:32 ] Zelot Blueice > /emote is deathly confused. # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:34 ] HHLOTTO > yuh they could post on my stuff # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:41 ] HHLOTTO > forum posts # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:45 ] HHLOTTO > this guy rigs lottos or w/e # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:48 ] Zelot Blueice > thats why u flash a wallet # [ 2010.08.16 01:12:03 ] Zelot Blueice > When you start to play with supercaps its a different game # [ 2010.08.16 01:12:07 ] Zelot Blueice > everyone wants to win. # [ 2010.08.16 01:12:22 ] Zelot Blueice > I will contact f900 and leave ur name out of it. infact i wont mention you at all # [ 2010.08.16 01:12:35 ] HHLOTTO > k sorry but is not that enough proof right there that you tried to take HHLOTTO and failed?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:36:00 - [36] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 01:36:02 Now we're all gonna get banned. This went from a pastebin thread to a full out convo posting. I'm just gonna sit quietly, maybe i can avoid the banhammer.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:39:00 - [37] you should be 2nd to go right after zelot lol
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:41:00 - [38] Originally by: E Taylor you should be 2nd to go right after zelot lol
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:41:00 - [39] HHLOTTO, You even said that you know for a fact that 3rd parties dont rig. You know because you have probably asked them to do it with you before. You also that said if possible you would rig it. So why dont you CITE some stuff from those CONVOES and then we can see.
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 01:46:00 - [40] Please your just grasping at straws now lol keep on hating, Nice try at trying to get 5 billion isk off me though lol
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:18:00 - [41] OMG A LOTTERY ON EVE IS A SCAM???!!!! CALL THE FEDS!!!! (While im passing no judgment on this particular person, all lottos in eve are scams.) Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Lana Torrin OMG A LOTTERY ON EVE IS A SCAM???!!!! CALL THE FEDS!!!! (While im passing no judgment on this particular person, all lottos in eve are scams.) BIG lottery? Chribba's AT8 lottery? I like me.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:26:00 - [43] ITT: people who think eve has legit lottery's Vote Support For Great Justice
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Lana Torrin OMG A LOTTERY ON EVE IS A SCAM???!!!! CALL THE FEDS!!!! (While im passing no judgment on this particular person, all lottos in eve are scams.) I've actually seen more legit lotteries than scam lotteries. At least the ones on the forum that is.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:34:00 - [45] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: Lana Torrin OMG A LOTTERY ON EVE IS A SCAM???!!!! CALL THE FEDS!!!! (While im passing no judgment on this particular person, all lottos in eve are scams.) I've actually seen more legit lotteries than scam lotteries. At least the ones on the forum that is. You sir have been scammed, and you don't even realize it. Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:37:00 - [46] lol you mean hes been scamming, hes like the worst scammer on sell orders forums.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:40:00 - [47] Originally by: E Taylor lol you mean hes been spamming, hes like the worst spammer on sell orders forums. Fixed it for ya. I don't scam. I spam like a caffeine-fueled 8-year old.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:42:00 - [48] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: E Taylor lol you mean hes been spamming, hes like the worst spammer on sell orders forums. Fixed it for ya. I don't scam. I spam like a caffeine-fueled 8-year old. I don't beleive this statement. I like me.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: E Taylor lol you mean hes been spamming, hes like the worst spammer on sell orders forums. Fixed it for ya. I don't scam. I spam like a caffeine-fueled 8-year old. I don't beleive this statement. PS: On an unrelated note, my FREE lottery is closing up in less than 1 day so some of you might wanna get a ticket
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:45:00 - [50] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: E Taylor lol you mean hes been spamming, hes like the worst spammer on sell orders forums. Fixed it for ya. I don't scam. I spam like a caffeine-fueled 8-year old. I don't beleive this statement. PS: On an unrelated note, my FREE lottery is closing up in less than 1 day so some of you might wanna get a ticket oh, oh! whatcaniwin?! I like me.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:46:00 - [51] 1 free lotto dont mean your legit, your just a scammer hiding under a ton of spam!
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:48:00 - [52] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 02:50:15 Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 02:48:35 Originally by: Aiwha oh, oh! whatcaniwin?! T2 Cruiser of choice, Ashimmu and T2 frigate of choice. like 1/4 billion worth of prizes. Just click on my signature and look down to current lotteries. It's only currently running one right now. Originally by: E Taylor 1 free lotto dont mean your legit, your just a scammer hiding under a ton of spam! Or a spammer who isn't actually scamming. Don't forget: Spam =/= Scam. Last Second Edit: Applebabe just cleaned up the lottery thread for HHLotto so i'm guessing this post might be next.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:50:00 - [53] Edited by: Aiwha on 05/09/2010 02:51:23 Possible free ship to get exploded? I'm in... I'm sorry for OT'ness! Please don't eat my soul. /cower I like me.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Aiwha Possible free ship to get exploded? I'm in... Cos how can it possibly be a scam if its free right? Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 02:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Aiwha Possible free ship to get exploded? I'm in... Cos how can it possibly be a scam if its free right? Not completely free. You still have to send 1 isk to be registered by the ticket tracker and the first few people did have to deal with all the bugs we fixed on Melleia's site. I should say "Mostly free".
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:11:00 - [56] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 05/09/2010 03:11:32 Guise, this isnt about AOF. This is about HHLOTTO being a ****tard. What if 3rd parties didnt exist? You all would be scammed out of multiple sets of 20billion isk. Just get that through your heads. He is dangerous. Also, AOF is not a spammer/scammer so FACK off. Also, I find it hilarious how HHLOTTO never cited anything I asked her to. I wonder why?
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 05/09/2010 03:11:32 Guise, this isnt about AOF. This is about HHLOTTO being a ****tard. What if 3rd parties didnt exist? You all would be scammed out of multiple sets of 20billion isk. Just get that through your heads. He is dangerous. Also, AOF is not a spammer/scammer so FACK off. Also, I find it hilarious how HHLOTTO never cited anything I asked her to. I wonder why? Because nobody really cares? I like me.
Molesty Smurf	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Lana Torrin OMG A LOTTERY ON EVE IS A SCAM???!!!! CALL THE FEDS!!!! (While im passing no judgment on this particular person, all lottos in eve are scams.) Unless SOE scammed to give someone they've never met the main prize, that one was legit.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:27:00 - [59] It's funny how CCP Applebabe removed my post directed players to this thread that was on HHLOTTO's current lottery. I felt people should know about this and I didn't violate any rules. Hmmm.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Zelot Blueice It's funny how CCP Applebabe removed my post directed players to this thread that was on HHLOTTO's current lottery. I felt people should know about this and I didn't violate any rules. Hmmm. Obviously Applebabe is receiving kickbacks from HHLOTTO. I like me.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:42:00 - [61] This is worse then China. So what level of corruption is there?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: Zelot Blueice It's funny how CCP Applebabe removed my post directed players to this thread that was on HHLOTTO's current lottery. I felt people should know about this and I didn't violate any rules. Hmmm. Obviously Applebabe is receiving kickbacks from HHLOTTO. Omg, that's the funniest forum thing i've ever seen as an icon.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 03:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Zelot Blueice This is worse then China. So what level of corruption is there? I dont know... I like me.
Clown Pron	Posted - 2010.09.05 04:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Zelot Blueice It's funny how CCP Applebabe removed my post directed players to this thread that was on HHLOTTO's current lottery. I felt people should know about this and I didn't violate any rules. Hmmm. Hmmm....you fail at reading lesson mmmkay? What did Applebabe say in the other thread?
Clown Pron	Posted - 2010.09.05 04:26:00 - [65] Edited by: Clown Pron on 05/09/2010 04:29:47 hehe, *****
Sun Zoo	Posted - 2010.09.05 05:45:00 - [66] You've convinced me.... to buy an HHLOTTO ticket. Just because you're an obvious troll and blackmailer.
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 05:46:00 - [67] Edited by: HHLOTTO on 05/09/2010 05:53:58 ty bud if there is one thing I get from this is advertisement :) EDIT: also if you read what I said in the convo's I like my customers, I try to have a good one to keep them coming back and do not want to lose them, I make a decent enough profit off the lottos where rigging it would just be stupid. # [ 2010.08.16 01:08:50 ] Zelot Blueice > Well hes worth a shot. We need someone or else I cant do this effectively. # [ 2010.08.16 01:08:56 ] Zelot Blueice > I dont want to lose a titan dude. # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:04 ] HHLOTTO > lol # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:07 ] Zelot Blueice > And I dont even have 40b of isk to put in half the tickets. # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:16 ] Zelot Blueice > tbh straight up honest i only have 3mill # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:38 ] Zelot Blueice > I have isk issues... I just buy and buy and never sell # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:46 ] HHLOTTO > lol # [ 2010.08.16 01:09:58 ] Zelot Blueice > You think you can ask around? # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:10 ] Zelot Blueice > I mean we can try to do it this way but (not prefered) # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:17 ] HHLOTTO > ahhh sry man dont wanna risk losing all my customers lol # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:30 ] HHLOTTO > got a good customer base atm # [ 2010.08.16 01:10:34 ] Zelot Blueice > Hm sounds good. We will see if this nyx lotto can go # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:12 ] Zelot Blueice > Wait # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:20 ] HHLOTTO > ? # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:20 ] Zelot Blueice > losing customer by contacting 3rd party? # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:32 ] Zelot Blueice > /emote is deathly confused. # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:34 ] HHLOTTO > yuh they could post on my stuff # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:41 ] HHLOTTO > forum posts # [ 2010.08.16 01:11:45 ] HHLOTTO > this guy rigs lottos or w/e
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.05 05:54:00 - [68] So... Are the super carriers going to be raffled off now? I like me.
JASON W0RTHING Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division	Posted - 2010.09.05 06:48:00 - [69] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Disclaimer: Blackmail is not violating any rules, nor is posting links to retrieve convoes. So, I think this pretty much sums up the op and his thread and all his future threads. Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.	Posted - 2010.09.05 14:54:00 - [70] faking convos is so hard. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.05 15:15:00 - [71] Let's clear this up shall we Ok given the fact when I secure lotteries I not only hold the prizes, but I do the draws, I hold the API, and hand out the prizes. Even if HHlotto was tempted to try something, my policies and setup simply don't allow him/her to. The conversations posted, do nevertheless point towards HHlotto being tempted and willing to take part in a rigging. As the only conversation he clearly stated he was against rigging, was the one I was invited to. Issue now becomes are the chat logs fake or are they real? I can confirm the chat logs I was invited to match up perfectly to the ones in my chat file. But the ones I was not involved in, it is impossible to tell if they are in fact real. The speech mannerisms in the conversations I was not involved in by HHlotto, do seem to match up which leaves me suspicious. So who to believe? After all, Zelot clearly admitted to try and extort HHlotto for 5b isk. 5b isk is surely worth the trouble of faking a few chat logs. Zelot could be a disgruntled lottery player who was upset he had not won some previous lottery. On the other hand what if the logs are in fact 100% legitimate? HHlotto was in no position to ever rig any lottery with my policies and setup. But it doesn't look good for him if he was willing to potentially support the rigging of a lottery if he was ever in a position to do so. So despite there being no chance of a rigging to be successful on HHlotto's part, I'll be doing own talks with HHlotto. Grendell ♥
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 15:45:00 - [72] Thank you for clearing that part up Grendell. Just imagine what would happen if HHLOTTO were her own 3rd party. Just like you Grendell. You can run your own lotteries and you control everything. What if HHLOTTO did that? Clearly she has proven to be unstable in that respect.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.05 16:05:00 - [73] Edited by: T''Amber on 05/09/2010 16:09:50 I love this guy's style, heres some convos we had while he was on his alt Carson Achura. [SoE:X]
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.05 16:18:00 - [74] My alt is Carson Achura? I dont think so. I dont even know him really. I did have some dealings with him in the past however.
Jones Bones Final Agony	Posted - 2010.09.05 16:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Grendell The conversations posted, do nevertheless point towards HHlotto being tempted and willing to take part in a rigging. You keep using that word...
HHLOTTO	Posted - 2010.09.05 19:58:00 - [76] So aside from all this anyone who buys a ticket to my lotto from this thread gets and extra free ticket :D and... Lol t'amber "i like boobies"...
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 20:43:00 - [77] Originally by: HHLOTTO Lol t'amber "i like boobies"... Who doesn't? I've taken 3rd Party payment in boobies before and so has Chribba
TitansRus	Posted - 2010.09.05 22:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Zelot Blueice My alt is Carson Achura? I dont think so. I dont even know him really. I did have some dealings with him in the past however. Really ? [ 2010.08.27 22:22:49 ] Carson Achura > I am talking about a thing you can do in space. Get CCP to make you a custom mission or something. Funny, the punctuation analyzer says your the same person with a 92% chance according to the logs above. HHLotto looks like a scammer waiting to happen.
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.09.05 22:30:00 - [79] Edited by: Raid''En on 05/09/2010 22:32:42 Edited by: Raid''En on 05/09/2010 22:31:25 Originally by: TitansRus Originally by: Zelot Blueice My alt is Carson Achura? I dont think so. I dont even know him really. I did have some dealings with him in the past however. Really ? [ 2010.08.27 22:22:49 ] Carson Achura > I am talking about a thing you can do in space. Get CCP to make you a custom mission or something. Funny, the punctuation analyzer says your the same person with a 92% chance according to the logs above. HHLotto looks like a scammer waiting to happen. you didn't saw the topic before this one ? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1379698 it's his alt, but it's also a scammer. and AtheistOfFail, which help him for all his threads, is a friend ... hmmmmm... a friend of a scammer who try to be 3rd party... (or maybe fail is even his 3rd account...)
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.05 22:38:00 - [80] Originally by: TitansRus Funny, the punctuation analyzer says your the same person with a 92% chance according to the logs above. Where'd you get a punctuation analyzer? I need that...
Somerset Mahm Somer's Omnibus Exploration and Reclamation Cognitive Development	Posted - 2010.09.06 04:49:00 - [81] Confirming he did the same thing to me, using the Carson Achura alt instead of the Blueice account. Link to my relevant chatlog He initially mailed me saying that he had a Titan he wanted me to act as the third-party for so I thought he just needed to sell it to someone. Then when he convoed he tried to get me to go for his little scheme. Tee. --- SOMER Lotteries - http://somer.idiofx.com/ SOMER Escrow Services: Third-Party
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 07:57:00 - [82] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:04:50 Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:03:32 Somer, I did this in the effort to prove that certain third parties and lottery runners were trust worthy. Would anyone like a list of people that I have labeled as bad and good? You guys are not the only ones. I have a list with 17 names on it. 7 of which are suspicious and 3 of which are very popular and that I have something against. Edit: I have used more then just the alts I have to contact these other people so I suppose in the next few days stuff will start to float around. I will make a new thread for these names. Edit: No new thread I will just post here?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Raid'En and AtheistOfFail, which help him for all his threads, is a friend ... hmmmmm... a friend of a scammer who try to be 3rd party... (or maybe fail is even his 3rd account...) Wow, i have plenty of past public offerings that prove that i don't need to scam. Although my lotteries and myself are rather unusual to the forums, it doesn't mean i scam. Also, on an unrelated note, i knew Zelot before he started posting this stuff. He was an old buddy and now he's a client. He gets the same rights/restrictions as anyone else.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:14:00 - [84] Well your friends are blackmailers and scammers so I do not think you are trustworthy 3rd party if you have such bad clients.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:20:00 - [85] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:21:40 Here are the names. AtheistOfFail Darknesss Grendell Kontraer04 Lotto49 Somerset_Mahm T'Amber HHLotto Chribba Raid'En The Ambusher ----------- CaLdArIaN AdMiRaL EveRaffles Beltan Kelara Molesty Smurf Optimus P Vularis Toralla These are divided into two groups at the moment. The reason why this is setup this way is because all the names on top I have convoes to verify their status. The names on bottom were from older dates. I had lost my HDD to corruption so I lost all the older convoes. Here is my Good to Evil list now. AtheistOfFail Darknesss Grendell Kontraer04 Lotto49 Somerset_Mahm T'Amber Chribba The Ambusher EveRaffles Beltan Kelara Molesty Smurf Optimus P Vularis Toralla CaLdArIaN AdMiRaL ----------- Raid'En - Needs more experience. HHLotto - Dangerous. Allow me to explain a few things. First off the top is for the most part good and the bottom is dangerous. I do however have 5 names that I havnt shown on the bottom because the blackmail has worked so 5 lucky people are saved for today. HHLotto has potential to be wrong, so always make sure she has a TRUSTY 3rd party and never let her run her own lotteries. Raid'En simply needs to learn "Due Process" and shoudlnt have been hit so hard by me. I apoligize. Do not ask for other names because I will not say.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:28:00 - [86] Funny that atheistofail is at the top because hes your alt.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:31:00 - [87] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 06/09/2010 08:32:42 Originally by: E Taylor Funny that atheistofail is at the top because hes your alt. Funny that you keep spamming the same thing over and over. Zel: You might have just proved them wrong. We posted at the same time. No 2 minute lag time.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:31:00 - [88] Actually its called logical process. I started with alphabetical order and then I was like, **** it. Also, He is definately not my alt. I wish there was some way to confirm this. Any ideas anyone? Perhaps CCP can verify IP usage or something?
Paknac Queltel Coffee Muggers	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:32:00 - [89] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Actually its called logical process. I started with alphabetical order and then I was like, **** it. Also, He is definately not my alt. I wish there was some way to confirm this. Any ideas anyone? Perhaps CCP can verify IP usage or something? Unfortunately, a negative cannot be proven. Nor can a positive, when it comes to alts. - Paknac Queltel
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:33:00 - [90] Well no matter this just shows us no lottos even HHLOTTO cant be trusted even the ones with atheistoffail/zelot blueice as 3rd party.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:36:00 - [91] That's what sucks. Well I hope you all enjoy looking over these names and knowing at least something more about these people. Just keep in mind. There are five people not listed here. I would suggest that you just watch where your ISK goes. Also, I am not a third party. AtheistOfFail is however, and he has the most badass sig ever. Imo ofc.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Zelot Blueice That's what sucks. Well I hope you all enjoy looking over these names and knowing at least something more about these people. Just keep in mind. There are five people not listed here. I would suggest that you just watch where your ISK goes. Also, I am not a third party. AtheistOfFail is however, and he has the most badass sig ever. Imo ofc. Thank you. Noone's noticed during this 3rd Party Flame fest...
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:38:00 - [93] I would have me a sick sig too if I had an alt who was a scammer / blackmailer.... woops I mean lotto runner.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:41:00 - [94] I hope I can say this for the last time. I am not a scammer. I am a blackmailer. So watch out However, I never even became involved in eve petty scams at Jita. My history is clean.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:43:00 - [95] Originally by: E Taylor I would have me a sick sig too if I had an alt who was a scammer / blackmailer.... woops I mean lotto runner. I don't need an alt. I already have a cool sig . Also, on an unrelated note, there's less than 14 hours before the MALL Free lottery closes. Should get in on this. It's FREE!
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:44:00 - [96] ^ This I just can't wait for my TRUSTY and EFFICIENT lotteries to sell out so Atheist can CONTRACT the prizes out FAIRLY.
Paknac Queltel Coffee Muggers	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:44:00 - [97] Originally by: Zelot Blueice AtheistOfFail is however, and he has the most badass sig ever. Imo ofc. The mouse pointer in it annoys me. It won't move. MOVE, YOU STUPID MOUSE POINTER! - Paknac Queltel
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:46:00 - [98] Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Zelot Blueice AtheistOfFail is however, and he has the most badass sig ever. Imo ofc. The mouse pointer in it annoys me. It won't move. MOVE, YOU STUPID MOUSE POINTER! Lol, When i thought of it, i thought it would draw people to click on it. It's a link to my services page.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:46:00 - [99] You both almost finished each others sentences several times... every time one post the other post like you know what they going to type or as if your the same person (caught)!!!! I have fun
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:46:00 - [100] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:47:42 Agreed. Atheist, we all think its a cool sig, but secretly this whole time we have been plotting to "terminate" the cursor. We are holding your signature ransom until you do so. Taylor, think what you want, but I am starting to think that Atheist is actually that accident my father keeps bringing up that he said happened a few years before I was born. I think we are releated.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:48:00 - [101] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Agreed. Atheist, we all think its a cool sig, but secretly this whole time we have been plotting to "terminate" the cursor. We are holding your signature ransom until you do so. Cursor > Let me go man, i got a family and kids come on.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:52:00 - [102] E Taylor, I am going to write a short poem to you dedicating the idiocy of your claims. Should I guys?
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:53:00 - [103] Yes just make sure you do not mess up and post on your alt Atheistoffail
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:55:00 - [104] I will make sure you don't trip and fall and hit your head five or six times. We wouldn't want that now would we?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:55:00 - [105] Originally by: Zelot Blueice I will make sure you don't trip and fall and hit your head five or six times. We wouldn't want that now would we? Trollololololololol.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:59:00 - [106] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 09:01:03 We just figured out a way to bust the trolls and prove we arn't alts. Come chat with us at "XTC PUBLIC" without the quotes of cource. Edit: Trolls are welcome.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:06:00 - [107] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 09:07:55 No trolls are here. I sense they have been defeated. Edit: Well Atheist just logged so thats probably my que as well. When we are on I will let you all know.
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:08:00 - [108] well first step is where do both yall live?
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:09:00 - [109] Me, West Coast, and I think Atheist is on east coast but thats all for tonight. NN C&P
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:11:00 - [110] Edited by: E Taylor on 06/09/2010 09:15:03 k then post your relevant IP's should kill any questions, also if you both take over 3 minutes to post I am sure your both same person. EDIT: well I win lol
Somerset Mahm Somer's Omnibus Exploration and Reclamation Cognitive Development	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:22:00 - [111] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Also, on an unrelated note, i knew Zelot before he started posting this stuff. He was an old buddy Originally by: AtheistOfFail Lol? I don't even like Zelot Get yer story straight son. --- SOMER Lotteries - http://somer.idiofx.com/ SOMER Escrow Services: Third-Party
E Taylor	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:28:00 - [112] k nvm somer wins lol
Sutskop PILSGESCHWADER	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:57:00 - [113] Originally by: Zelot Blueice I hope I can say this for the last time. I am not a scammer. I am a blackmailer. so why would anyone take a blackmailers "trusted" list serious? you're trying way too hard, with your "hey look I have two supercaps, oh and a titan, oh and I almost forgot, there I steal another titan next week, and I have 800 faction battleships in jita but only 3mil liquid coz icba to create one or two contracts". how obvious can you possibly be?
Paknac Queltel Coffee Muggers	Posted - 2010.09.06 11:49:00 - [114] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 09:01:03 We just figured out a way to bust the trolls and prove we arn't alts. Come chat with us at "XTC PUBLIC" without the quotes of cource. Edit: Trolls are welcome. Actually, I do chat with my alt from time to time. As I said, it's impossible to disprove this, short of meeting in real life. And even then, the shadow of doubt still lingers. Lurking. In darkness. Originally by: E Taylor Edited by: E Taylor on 06/09/2010 09:15:03 k then post your relevant IP's should kill any questions, also if you both take over 3 minutes to post I am sure your both same person. EDIT: well I win lol My IP is 538.222.987.5000. >.> Prove you're not Chribba's trolling alt, plox. - Paknac Queltel
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.09.06 14:44:00 - [115] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:26:58 Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/09/2010 08:21:40 Here are the names. AtheistOfFail Darknesss Grendell Kontraer04 Lotto49 Somerset_Mahm T'Amber HHLotto Chribba Raid'En The Ambusher ----------- CaLdArIaN AdMiRaL EveRaffles Beltan Kelara Molesty Smurf Optimus P Vularis Toralla you just confirmed who your alt is, and so that i can prove a new scam from you :P
daddys helper	Posted - 2010.09.06 14:57:00 - [116] so just to be clear here the lotteries on your good list paid the blackmail and the ones on the bad list didn't? thanks for clearing up whos a sucker for us.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.06 17:17:00 - [117] Originally by: Somerset Mahm Originally by: AtheistOfFail Also, on an unrelated note, i knew Zelot before he started posting this stuff. He was an old buddy Originally by: AtheistOfFail Lol? I don't even like Zelot Get yer story straight son. Damn. The plot is up. I hate Zelot. He got Chribba pregnant once. It's an old secret
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente GenEX Technologies Group	Posted - 2010.09.06 18:07:00 - [118] What, I'm not even on the list of "tested" lotto people? I claim this blackmailer is not being thorough in his attempts to test people, and probably didn't even try all the people on his list. On an unrelated note, still running an Ark lotto, so buy some tickets wouldja? Dead Man's Lotto Mailing list: Dead Man's Lotto Ingame Channel: Dead Man's Lotto
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.06 18:54:00 - [119] Sorry dude I only tested people that had to work with Anaxis and at the time you didn't

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