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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:32:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:and I totally agree with that. that's why I'm in my "wait and see" mode to see how it goes. Winter expansion is the time limit. Now here's a thing. Can the winter expansion contain massive new content? Has CCP got time? CCP been backed into a corner to "fix this, fix that, gimme this, gimme that" and the release will probably be no more than an acquiecence to the demands placed upon them by the slap CCP brigade.... New content? Maybe. Fixed content? Probably. Will you settle for the latter?
properly fixed content yes.
then again, "properly fixed" can be subjective. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
D Liver
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:51:00 -
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well a lot of these ppl have no lives
i fully support the constructive ones tho |
Meryl SinGarda
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:59:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I for one am sick and tired of the CCP bashing. I am also starting to feel that the CSM is a worthless waste of time and should be abolished.
Especially after coming to the "table" with a few blogs that are just a bit off the window of time when they SHOULD'VE come out. Not that I ever agreed with CCP bashing, but when CCP admits to making mistakes and then pulls all of this awesome out of their hats, the first thing the CSM does is come to the forums with some blog posts about things from four months ago?
What?
Again, I didn't vote for any of these people. I would pay a healthy amount of ISK just to make sure Mittens never gets another seat. In fact, I would be interested in running against him.
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 10:09:00 -
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Swooshie wrote:grimpak wrote:why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.
do tell when was the last time since that happened. Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?
Do tell when saying "we've been through a period of introspection" equates to new resources actually being committed or new content actually being delivered.
We've seen this "yielding" before, and it yielded very little tangile end result. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 10:14:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I for one am sick and tired of the CCP bashing. I am also starting to feel that the CSM is a worthless waste of time and should be abolished. Especially after coming to the "table" with a few blogs that are just a bit off the window of time when they SHOULD'VE come out. Not that I ever agreed with CCP bashing, but when CCP admits to making mistakes and then pulls all of this awesome out of their hats, the first thing the CSM does is come to the forums with some blog posts about things from four months ago? What? Again, I didn't vote for any of these people. I would pay a healthy amount of ISK just to make sure Mittens never gets another seat. In fact, I would be interested in running against him.
Incidentally I'm still waiting for you to tell me about those two awesome things that CCP have actually released to TQ since Incarna Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:36:00 -
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Swooshie wrote:This "I want actions, not words" antic is getting silly. When you get a corporation to admit a refocus publicly, you know something will happen. Lay down the weapons and take a breather already boys!
We all got the point, we know you, mighty forums warriors, will run to the front again if nothing comes out of it. Your might and virility has been established.
Chill down. Wait.
what exactly are they refocusing on? cos that blog dosnt say.
after years of misplaced faith in ccp, i have none left for them CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Yasumoto
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.09.24 17:14:00 -
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Mr M wrote:There's a difference between constructive criticism and comparing people with HIV positive peadophiles. Quite a big one. Ah, somebody understood what I was trying to do there. That was indeed an extreme example.
Constructive criticism and reasonable language has been used extensively in these forums if people bother to read the voluminous feedback and issues threads. We have written lucid posts that detail bugs and game play issues. We have written reasonable posts asking why certain game design decisions have been put into place. CCP has made the choice to not continue a dialog regarding various issues.
Is there any question why EVE service subscribers are irrate or utilize off-the-wall language to illustrate the absurdity of the situation that CCP has created? |
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Do tell when saying "we've been through a period of introspection" equates to new resources actually being committed or new content actually being delivered.
We've seen this "yielding" before, and it yielded very little tangile end result.
It doesn't equates to anything and they can still do or not do anything. My point is that since there is nothing else to do now to ensure that, it might be a good time to concentrate a bit less on bashing and a bit more on constructiveness.
Smoking Blunt wrote:what exactly are they refocusing on? cos that blog dosnt say.
after years of misplaced faith in ccp, i have none left for them
I don't know what they are refocusing on. I just know they came forward and announced that because they must have seen that somehow the consequences of not doing anything were bad. What do you think is going to secure actions from CCP right now? Our bashing or the prospect that if they don't get back on the right path that game is going down?
"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie |
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:43:00 -
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Swooshie wrote:It doesn't equates to anything and they can still do or not do anything. My point is that since there is nothing else to do now to ensure that, it might be a good time to concentrate a bit less on bashing and a bit more on constructiveness.
For what its worth, I kinda agree with this sentiment. Not saying the whip needs to be put away, but maybe some balance is needed. Maybe since using the 'stick' pushed things along in terms of communication, maybe using a few carrots can help with the moral of the devs who do actually work hard to make the game better for us all. I heard a good number of them were of the same mindset as the 'angry' section of the playerbase when incarna plopped out.
I'll start with what I consider a 'carrot'. If, and only if the winter expansion turns out some decent fixes and generally makes EvE an improved game experience for all, I'll resub one of my chars.
Obviously, if the winter thing turns into another 'incarna' then I'll get my stick back out by walking my last remaining sub out of the 'door' regardless of its status as a non-functioning object and never to return again. I'd like for the winter 'patch/expansion' to be great though, I miss my two other acc's and would like a good reason to resub them.
Could all go to crap though, BF3 is nearing release and I've always had a soft spot for 'nade spamming. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:48:00 -
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MollyPuss wrote: O.k you guys just wanted to say thanks to my fellow eve players that have made so many brilliant points on the forums and interwebs, I've really enjoyed reading posts that have put arguments forward with so much thought and effort to improve our beloved game, most of those made in much more concise, intelligent and detailed way than I ever could (or maybe i'm just lazy), CCP has taken a kicking from the player base, I think there has been enough analysis done into how, where and why we are mildly annoyed to out right enraged with certain area's of game play or the lack of etc etc . Personally I'm going to cut CCP a little slack now, Hope you CCP guys pull the rabbit out of the hat. Group hug! I think all of us everyone! just want this game to be amazing and that unites us all. I've got 7 years invested myself. I've stayed that long because i'\ve always had hope in what eve could be. Just, a not normally very vocal player putting in my 2 penneth. Cheers
Yup, I agree. It was necessary to bash for a while.
Now is the time not to bash.
However, if we don't see action from CCP like they've outlined, and this has turned out just to be another kind of expectation management exercise, bashing will recommence forthwith.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:53:00 -
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CCP ran up a debt on "TRUST US GUYS" and the players have decided to call in that debt.
We were very patient for years. Enough is enough.
Even the sycophants cant stop people from calling bull on what they have done and not done.
To be honest if those leaks hadn't happened it is most likely that there would not have been the outrage there was. But it showed the players that we were consider little more then cows to be milked for money to the company now.
They just plain don't see us as people anymore. Now they view us as an obstacle more rather then partners. They have a wapred view of things and that's pretty much a death knell for a game company when that mindset sets in. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.24 22:00:00 -
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Quote:But it showed the players that we were consider little more then cows to be milked for money to the company now.
They just plain don't see us as people anymore. Now they view us as an obstacle more rather then partners.
In RL I have been both a manager and a business owner.
My good customers were treated with respect and an absolute passion to keep their trade with us.
My "bad" customers were treated with 10 times the respect and 10 times the passion to keep their trade with us.
Business 101. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
lego brick
FOO FOO NINJA BADGERS
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Posted - 2011.09.24 23:11:00 -
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Well I'm in a wait and see holding pattern. I tend to think that the information I have read, points to the fact. CCP executives have taken their eye off the ball,
in their collective mind we are indeed the goose that keeps giving. All their business decisions seem based around that "truth" and eve's revenue is being used to expand into other projects. Which is fine as long as you don't starve the damn goose.
The executives, consultants and MMO market "experts" seem to be the one's that really seem to decide on eve's direction not the game designers or the players.
Lets face it up to now we have kept giving. During my holding pattern I'll see if they can deliver the things we as players want. I'd like to hear this from the people making the real decisions, not the guys on the sharp end working on what they are told to work on. If more half baked half finished crap is churned out I'm off and I'll take my cash for both my accounts elsewhere. Only change skills these day really anyway. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.24 23:45:00 -
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MollyPuss wrote:I've got 7 years invested myself. I've stayed that long because i'\ve always had hope in what eve could be. Just, a not normally very vocal player putting in my 2 penneth. Cheers ^^ This was the line which is very common in posts what people write. Stopping for a moment to think what it actually means reveals the golden path to the future. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Freako X
Deviant Inc
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Posted - 2011.09.25 04:30:00 -
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CCP bashing?!?
But, but ... it's what all the cool kids are doing!
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.09.25 04:39:00 -
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MollyPuss wrote: Group hug!
Parole officer says I'm not to do that anymore even if they ask.
Amphetimines are your friend. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.25 07:36:00 -
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I haven't read the responses here, and regardless of whether the OP is a troll or not, I feel pretty ashamed to be among the same overly-entitled player base that keeps touting the "I'm paying your salary" line over and over.
I love this game, and will give Dust514 a shot when it comes out (and pray for a later PC release), and generally don't give 2 damns about WoD. I do believe CCP needs to maintain a certain level of focus on FiS, and hopefully the events this summer have really caused a change in behavior from them. And I still support them, and hope for a real redirection of effort.
I currently have "door" enabled, and was ecstatic to read t0rfi's blog about the return of ship spinning. It's bizarre that people who bitched about losing ship spinning, upon hearing about their return instantly took up the position of "Oh, look, CCP, way to introduce something that brings us backwards in development! "
Was removal of ship spinning wrong? Yes. Is bringing it back good? Yes. Should CCP have listened to test server feedback when it was repeatedly stated that people wanted a disembark button to enter the CQ? Yes. And I think, after the backlash of negativity of the past months, it'd be hard for them to move forward without listening to feedback in the future. But being negative about a overwhelmingly positive change is ridiculous.
It seems that the current flavor of feedback to CCP is just hate without purpose. Very frustrating. It'seasy to imagine that when nothing but insults and threats are tossed out, with no concrete constructive purpose, it'll just lead the dev's to move back to ignoring the player base since all we are capable of supplying them with is threats of "I pay your salary, so if I quit, then you don't get paid, LOL!" We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
Devious Relation
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:32:00 -
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Eve should be treated like any disbediant child. No matter how long invested, be it 1 day or 7 years like the OP. It comes a time with everything when you jsut have to let go and say goodbye. Now if this disobediant EVE child doesnt buck its idea's up i think that times come for many..
* BASH BASH BASH**
98% D/L on another game when i plan to spend money cmoooooooooon that last 2% |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company. Somnium Romanum
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:24:00 -
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Eh, I never saw an issue with the game to begin with, and the content available is enough to keep me occupied for......... *Checks interwebz*....... 27 years.
Cool.
Regardless of what CCP does in the winter with Eve, the release of Dust, and perhaps the full release of Incarna are reasons enough to like them. And yes, I would like them to release moar stuff, but some of you have gotta' let it go. |
Gevlin
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:15:00 -
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this summer has been a solid case of group think from the eve vocal community.
The implementation of Incarna has been tough. a lot slower than I had expected to start off with. This winter they say 3 other captain quarters and establishments. I hope that is the case, and the production of Incarna ramps up.
It could just be the speed of computers they are waiting for.. I don't know.
Just I feel this last year has been the building of a solid foundation. Many items have been fixed, side stepping super carriers, I expect to see some spurts in the next 2 years, with inferstructure for incarna being stolen from World of Darkness, and the finishing curve of Carbonizing Eve. |
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:59:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:this summer has been a solid case of group think That phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:59:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:Playerbase will always criticize CCP, and we need to so they're aware of what is wrong, and their bad directions.
By 'playerbase', you of course are referring to the less than one percent of butt hurt bittervets and various other whiny, self important, wannabe game designers that post on the forums. Not the two hundred and ninety thousand other people that simply play the game and have fun.
Right?
Mr Epeen
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:11:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:I haven't read the responses here, and regardless of whether the OP is a troll or not, I feel pretty ashamed to be among the same overly-entitled player base that keeps touting the "I'm paying your salary" line over and over Expecting value for a product or service you're paying for isn't being "overly-entitled". The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:24:00 -
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mkint wrote:[quote=Ammzi]Incursion expansion had some good features, yeah. The problem is separating features from the expansion name... incursions as a feature was good, but incursions as an expansion had the anom nerf that has finished off nullsec as being even remotely livable. And coincidentally, played right into the hands of certain RMTing members of the CSM...
You know, I see this accusation being leveled a lot around here, so let me say this:
If you have evidence that members of the CSM are engaging in RMT, there's a process you can follow to report them to CCP and get their cheating asses banned.
If you don't, then kindly shut the **** up and go polish your tinfoil hat. |
trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
4
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:34:00 -
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I think it's pretty obvious, even to CCP that the game needs a complete refit. They could even throw a relaunch event for it because, we know how CCP loves events. |
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