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Fenix Rebirth
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:05:00 -
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we run a wing of Jaguars and its awesome, no complaints at all I also have an Iskur and Enyo and they have yet to lose to a cruiser with full racks of Tech II blasters churning out over 300 dmg every 3 seconds no complaints and they have a reasonable armour tank. Only thing I agree with is the Gallante Assault frigs speed its CRAP!!!
I prefer to be in at 500mtrs gettin there is the problem! I prefer not to use railguns. But overall they eat cruisers intys and frigs without to much hassle.
I dont suffer from Insanity *I ENJOY EVERY FECKIN MINUTE OF IT* |
Fenix Rebirth
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:05:00 -
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we run a wing of Jaguars and its awesome, no complaints at all I also have an Iskur and Enyo and they have yet to lose to a cruiser with full racks of Tech II blasters churning out over 300 dmg every 3 seconds no complaints and they have a reasonable armour tank. Only thing I agree with is the Gallante Assault frigs speed its CRAP!!!
I prefer to be in at 500mtrs gettin there is the problem! I prefer not to use railguns. But overall they eat cruisers intys and frigs without to much hassle.
I dont suffer from Insanity *I ENJOY EVERY FECKIN MINUTE OF IT* |
Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:08:00 -
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Ship bonuses make the difference in damage between a small weapon and a medium one without ship modifiers negligble.
They don't need a cruiser weapon any more than a Heavy Assault needs a BS weapon.
They are pretty balanced, they just need to be used right. If the pilots you've fought in them are crap then your opinion will obviously be skewed.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:08:00 -
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Ship bonuses make the difference in damage between a small weapon and a medium one without ship modifiers negligble.
They don't need a cruiser weapon any more than a Heavy Assault needs a BS weapon.
They are pretty balanced, they just need to be used right. If the pilots you've fought in them are crap then your opinion will obviously be skewed.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 29/12/2004 17:11:07
I give up. I was clearly wrong. Assault frigates are perfect as they are.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 29/12/2004 17:11:07
I give up. I was clearly wrong. Assault frigates are perfect as they are.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:31:00 -
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I agree that Assault frigs (but not heavies) lack survivability... especialy Caldari ones due to dumb distribution of resistances. Even with 2 passive EM hardeners fitted i cant imagine doin lvl3 Bloodriders/Sansha mission - i will be torn apart in seconds. Now this does not really apply to Heavy assaults, as they can reasonably easy run 2x active EM hardeners (even tho it puts them into disadvantage compare to other faction ships).
As for frigs... EM damage is way to common, and that kinda defeats whole "assault" idea 
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When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:31:00 -
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I agree that Assault frigs (but not heavies) lack survivability... especialy Caldari ones due to dumb distribution of resistances. Even with 2 passive EM hardeners fitted i cant imagine doin lvl3 Bloodriders/Sansha mission - i will be torn apart in seconds. Now this does not really apply to Heavy assaults, as they can reasonably easy run 2x active EM hardeners (even tho it puts them into disadvantage compare to other faction ships).
As for frigs... EM damage is way to common, and that kinda defeats whole "assault" idea
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When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 29/12/2004 17:41:42
The Vengeance lacks some damage output. If the resistances were distributed smarter on its shields it could tank those and thus use one or two lowslots for damage mods, to make up for its crappy armament.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 29/12/2004 17:41:42
The Vengeance lacks some damage output. If the resistances were distributed smarter on its shields it could tank those and thus use one or two lowslots for damage mods, to make up for its crappy armament.
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Skullbunny
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Toran Mehtar
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The thing wrong with them isn't at all that they're vulnerable to cruise missiles.
So you're saying they're not vulnerable to cruise missiles ? 
No he's saying that the vulnerability isn't his gripe, not that the vulnerability doesn't exist. Even I can see that.
*Sigh* Toran, it is painfully clear that you tried desperately to come off as being intelligent, but instead you only came off as a total dolt, who's only reason for posting was to have a few cheap stabs at someone for no apparant reason.
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Skullbunny
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Posted - 2004.12.29 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Toran Mehtar
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The thing wrong with them isn't at all that they're vulnerable to cruise missiles.
So you're saying they're not vulnerable to cruise missiles ?
No he's saying that the vulnerability isn't his gripe, not that the vulnerability doesn't exist. Even I can see that.
*Sigh* Toran, it is painfully clear that you tried desperately to come off as being intelligent, but instead you only came off as a total dolt, who's only reason for posting was to have a few cheap stabs at someone for no apparant reason.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.29 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skullbunny
*Sigh* Toran, it is painfully clear that you tried desperately to come off as being intelligent, but instead you only came off as a total dolt, who's only reason for posting was to have a few cheap stabs at someone for no apparant reason.
So the reason for your post is..... ?
Of course, you're quite right though. That comment was a cheap attempt at humour based on a single line written in such a way that it could be interpreted other than as the writer intended. Fortunately, I also decided to make other comments regarding the topic being discussed, rather than simply throw insults to make me look superior.
Shame that some other people fall into that trap though.
Oh, btw; did you have any comments about assault frigs ?
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.29 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skullbunny
*Sigh* Toran, it is painfully clear that you tried desperately to come off as being intelligent, but instead you only came off as a total dolt, who's only reason for posting was to have a few cheap stabs at someone for no apparant reason.
So the reason for your post is..... ?
Of course, you're quite right though. That comment was a cheap attempt at humour based on a single line written in such a way that it could be interpreted other than as the writer intended. Fortunately, I also decided to make other comments regarding the topic being discussed, rather than simply throw insults to make me look superior.
Shame that some other people fall into that trap though.
Oh, btw; did you have any comments about assault frigs ?
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:32:00 -
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I own an Enyo, great ship For PvP...own frigs and intys easy....tank good, and have gread damage output...
I'v been atatcke dby ferox, caracal, destoryer and 2 frigs, killed destroyer and a frig and got out with fulla armor, was low on cap tho...
great ship..
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"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:32:00 -
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I own an Enyo, great ship For PvP...own frigs and intys easy....tank good, and have gread damage output...
I'v been atatcke dby ferox, caracal, destoryer and 2 frigs, killed destroyer and a frig and got out with fulla armor, was low on cap tho...
great ship..
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:40:00 -
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ass frigs rules, when missiles get fixed they'll be even better..
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"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:40:00 -
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ass frigs rules, when missiles get fixed they'll be even better..
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"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:43:00 -
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Fitting 4 125mm II's puts out more damage than one cruiser-sized weapon..........
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:43:00 -
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Fitting 4 125mm II's puts out more damage than one cruiser-sized weapon..........
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:48:00 -
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Assault frigates are excellent for what they do. The fact that you ran into an enyo who elected to use blasters (a very stupid move, IMO, since you lack the speed to close on most targets) doesnt change that fact.
I'll agree the retribution needs another turret, right now I'd take a crusader over a retribution for every application.
As for increasing the grid on all of them to allow them to fit cruiser weapons, I have just one thing to say to that - 10mn MWD.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:48:00 -
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Assault frigates are excellent for what they do. The fact that you ran into an enyo who elected to use blasters (a very stupid move, IMO, since you lack the speed to close on most targets) doesnt change that fact.
I'll agree the retribution needs another turret, right now I'd take a crusader over a retribution for every application.
As for increasing the grid on all of them to allow them to fit cruiser weapons, I have just one thing to say to that - 10mn MWD.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.12.29 21:36:00 -
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I can't remember what item it was, but I know I fit 1 cruiser weapon on my wolf before. This setup sucked nuts of course, but it was fun.
All in all, I think assault frigs will be great if CCP ever fixes missles, and for now they are great as long as the enemy missle users don't see them.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.12.29 21:36:00 -
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I can't remember what item it was, but I know I fit 1 cruiser weapon on my wolf before. This setup sucked nuts of course, but it was fun.
All in all, I think assault frigs will be great if CCP ever fixes missles, and for now they are great as long as the enemy missle users don't see them.
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.12.29 23:05:00 -
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Nah, the assault friggies are perfectly fine atm, and BALANCED! And most of them already deal more dammage than most cruisers.
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.12.29 23:05:00 -
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Nah, the assault friggies are perfectly fine atm, and BALANCED! And most of them already deal more dammage than most cruisers.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2004.12.29 23:48:00 -
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I have both the Retribution and Vengence. I love them both, though I prefer the Vengence for the extra mid slots. The retribution has plenty of firepower to be a real threat in PvP. Mix the two types in a group and you have the best of both worlds. The Vengence can scramble and web with the Retribution bashing their brains out. The only thing I dont like about them is the speed. Everyone says that missles need to be fixed but I think they just need to give the assault frigates a bit of a speed boost and they would be ideal IMO. I am not suggesting they be as fast as an intercepter. Im just saying they need to be just a bit faster than the frigates they were based on. If they did that there would be speed options to deal with the cruise missle problem without really hitting the missle spammers to hard with the nerf bat.
As far as being able to fit oversized weapons Im against it. I have no complaints with the damage I get from my small T2 pulses. 
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xenorx
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Posted - 2004.12.29 23:48:00 -
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I have both the Retribution and Vengence. I love them both, though I prefer the Vengence for the extra mid slots. The retribution has plenty of firepower to be a real threat in PvP. Mix the two types in a group and you have the best of both worlds. The Vengence can scramble and web with the Retribution bashing their brains out. The only thing I dont like about them is the speed. Everyone says that missles need to be fixed but I think they just need to give the assault frigates a bit of a speed boost and they would be ideal IMO. I am not suggesting they be as fast as an intercepter. Im just saying they need to be just a bit faster than the frigates they were based on. If they did that there would be speed options to deal with the cruise missle problem without really hitting the missle spammers to hard with the nerf bat.
As far as being able to fit oversized weapons Im against it. I have no complaints with the damage I get from my small T2 pulses.
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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:16:00 -
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I have yet to PVP in my Enyo, but I just got done fighting 25+ ships including a 2.5 mill mega and WON!! I've never had so many ships firing on me at once and I was amazed that I was able to finish the level and not warp out. The cruise missiles hurt but my tech II repairer had not problem keeping up. 91% Kinetic resistance and 74% thermal works wonders. Level 4 kill missions are nothing now and once I'm orbiting the NPC BS's at 500m they don't stand a chance.
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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:16:00 -
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I have yet to PVP in my Enyo, but I just got done fighting 25+ ships including a 2.5 mill mega and WON!! I've never had so many ships firing on me at once and I was amazed that I was able to finish the level and not warp out. The cruise missiles hurt but my tech II repairer had not problem keeping up. 91% Kinetic resistance and 74% thermal works wonders. Level 4 kill missions are nothing now and once I'm orbiting the NPC BS's at 500m they don't stand a chance.
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