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Denize
Echoes Infinitum
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Posted - 2012.07.29 13:26:00 -
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Is it the death by concord that causes the no insurance payout, or is it the aggressive action against the innocent?
Can i ex. gank someone quick, and my corp mate alpha's me, so i still get insurance by dying before concord even shows up.?
from what i read on the wiki it tells me this
" Suicide attack someone in High-Sec (players destroyed by CONCORD do not receive an insurance payout). "
which makes the getting ganked by corp mate before concord shows up to keep insurance useable. |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.07.29 13:50:00 -
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... quick, to the lab!
In before nerf! |

Kyrin Ongrard
Darkness Fallsss Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:00:00 -
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.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing |

Denize
Echoes Infinitum
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:14:00 -
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true about the having to be quick....
you could increase the odds by having your corp mate beat you down to near no hull/armor before starting the gank... |

Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:33:00 -
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damnit all my toons on sisi are in null and i'm lazy! Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |

Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:34:00 -
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Kyrin Ongrard wrote:.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing
Could you just have your corpmate shoot your hull below 25%, then eject as soon as the target is dead? "SDs" still get payoff, right? Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |

Denize
Echoes Infinitum
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:50:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:Kyrin Ongrard wrote:.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing Could you just have your corpmate shoot your hull below 25%, then eject as soon as the target is dead? "SDs" still get payoff, right?
i don't think ejecting will throw the eggro from concord, kind of like when against simple npc's, they will still shoot your ship to death, even though you ejected.
could be a chance though since concord has not arrived at the time of 'eject', so maybe the mechanics is different, worth a try at least.
i've earlier tried things like ejecting and have alt ready to board a ship ..but concord says no...
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Kyrin Ongrard
Darkness Fallsss Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:11:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:Kyrin Ongrard wrote:.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing Could you just have your corpmate shoot your hull below 25%, then eject as soon as the target is dead? "SDs" still get payoff, right?
This may work although youd have to have hella good timing. Maybe another option is calculate the exact damage you would need to kill your ship in two hits, then have your corp mate just hit you twice, but this would require you being able to get the gank off during the time between shots. Not sure if this is even possible tho. Maybe if you have a alt trained into arties with high damage but nothing that would speed up cycle time on them might get you there, but thats a hell of alot of work for an insurance payout.
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lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:12:00 -
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Yes its possible and allowed by CCP.
I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him |

Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:11:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:Kyrin Ongrard wrote:.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing Could you just have your corpmate shoot your hull below 25%, then eject as soon as the target is dead? "SDs" still get payoff, right? You cannot eject from a ship in highsec while under GCC. Also of note is the other person doesn't need to be in your corp. If CONCORD is coming to get you, you are fair game for anyone to shoot. |

Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:27:00 -
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Killing corp mates is not a Concord offence. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:22:00 -
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Rat Farmer wrote:Killing corp mates is not a Concord offence.
I see you made your dodge roll.
The point of this thread totally missed you. Here's your sign... |

Rip Marley
The Dakka Delivery Service
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:45:00 -
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I think CCP might drop the hammer on you if you make this work. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:22:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:... quick, to the lab!
In before nerf!
Will be trying this tonight if I can get all the stuff in one place to do it. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Cyprus Black
Metallurgy Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:30:00 -
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How can you tell the difference if it's Concords involvement that denies insurance payouts or if it's the aggression itself? It's difficult to tell them apart because they both come hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.
I have a highsec kill where both Concord and I are on the KM yet I laid the final blow. We were both in corp together and he wanted to murder me. He taunted me to come out, so I quit corp and undocked. He and his buddy both engaged and Concord said hi. Got off a few shots but nothing substantial.
The thing is, when I was in his corp minutes before, we were both aggressed to one another and slugging it out. I docked to avoid death from his regular Domi. Not sure why he pulled the navy issue one out but he did.
Not quite sure how that mechanic worked but he was ultra pissed that he did not get any insurance payout. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.07.31 14:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:How can you tell the difference if it's Concords involvement that denies insurance payouts or if it's the aggression itself? If you gank something on a gate, and the gate guns pop you before CONCORD arrives, you won't get any insurance. That leads me to believe it's the GCC in highsec that invalidates insurance, and not CONCORD.
Post with your monkey. |

daddi0
Brooklyn Tax Dodgers
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:54:00 -
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There must be some way to make it profitable. I got ganked in an Iteron V with about $3 mil in cargo by a Tornado packing 1400mm howizers. Can't see the economics in that unless there's some insurance payout. |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.08.16 03:10:00 -
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daddi0 wrote:There must be some way to make it profitable. I got ganked in an Iteron V with about $3 mil in cargo by a Tornado packing 1400mm howizers. Can't see the economics in that unless there's some insurance payout. 3 million dollars? That's like a gazillion ISK.  Post with your monkey. |

Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.17 18:08:00 -
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Denize wrote:Possum's Awesome wrote:Kyrin Ongrard wrote:.....Really wish i was at home so i could try this. I think the only problem would be doing it before concord gets you. would prolly have to be in .5 to get the gank off AND get alpha'd by a corp mate in time.
EDIT: i suck at this grammar thing Could you just have your corpmate shoot your hull below 25%, then eject as soon as the target is dead? "SDs" still get payoff, right? i don't think ejecting will throw the eggro from concord, kind of like when against simple npc's, they will still shoot your ship to death, even though you ejected. could be a chance though since concord has not arrived at the time of 'eject', so maybe the mechanics is different, worth a try at least. i've earlier tried things like ejecting and have alt ready to board a ship ..but concord says no...
You can't eject once GCC. Maybe once you could. Not now.
It is likely the GCC flag that cancels insurance. I have been killed by drones, not concord once GCC and didn't get a dime.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
349
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Posted - 2012.08.18 09:16:00 -
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daddi0 wrote:There must be some way to make it profitable. I got ganked in an Iteron V with about $3 mil in cargo by a Tornado packing 1400mm howizers. Can't see the economics in that unless there's some insurance payout.
Doesn't need to be profitable for some.
My cyno alt got his kessie ganked by a tornado wich then got plopped by the station guns .Another alt got podded in empire by another Tier3 BC , just fyi he only lost a 900k for a new med clone as he is a low sp alt so not really worth it compared to the BC loss.
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Elli M0o
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:30:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:How can you tell the difference if it's Concords involvement that denies insurance payouts or if it's the aggression itself? It's difficult to tell them apart because they both come hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. I have a highsec kill where both Concord and I are on the KM yet I laid the final blow. (see original killmail tab). We were both in corp together and he wanted to murder me. He taunted me to come out, so I quit corp and undocked. He and his buddy both engaged and Concord said hi. Got off a few shots but nothing substantial. The thing is, when I was in his corp minutes before, we were both aggressed to one another and slugging it out. I docked to avoid death from his regular Domi. Not sure why he pulled the navy issue one out but he did. Not quite sure how that mechanic worked but he was ultra pissed that he did not get any insurance payout.
You will always get the final blow and the kill mail when you take a shot at someone getting owned by concord. I guess concord dudes are too damn stupid to post them.
On a serious not, if you even activate a painter on someone getting killed by npcs you always get the km.
This is why op wants his corp mate to volley him before concord arrives. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:20:00 -
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Thread closed because of uninformative. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Sunrise Omega
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.20 21:33:00 -
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Denize wrote:Is it the death by concord that causes the no insurance payout, or is it the aggressive action against the innocent?
Can i ex. gank someone quick, and my corp mate alpha's me, so i still get insurance by dying before concord even shows up.?
from what i read on the wiki it tells me this
" Suicide attack someone in High-Sec (players destroyed by CONCORD do not receive an insurance payout). "
which makes the getting ganked by corp mate before concord shows up to keep insurance useable.
No, you will not get insurance. Even if CONCORD never shows up on the grid, once they are summoned you can't get a payout. |

jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2012.08.20 21:50:00 -
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in b4 the -10/10 oh wait... |
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