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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm They really need to introduce an Extra Large Sheild Extender to compete with the 1600mm Plate.
Oh and the Phoon has an Explosive Resist Hole also, not as pronounced but still there.
no they dont need to introduce XL extenders.
simple reason is that shields regen... armor dont. no counter argument will change this untill shields stop regenning. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:10:00 -
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Armour gets remote reps that don't have hilariously stupid fitting reqs. That > regen. Bring in XL Extenders. _________________________________
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Armour gets remote reps that don't have hilariously stupid fitting reqs. That > regen. Bring in XL Extenders.
No matter how large extenders you have remote reps will always be better than regen, by that preset. If you want to fix it, fix shield transfers. XL extenders has nothing to do with it and will do nothing but boost the ships currently viable with extenders. Parrots, commence!
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier
Quote: for the typhoon? see you in 2 years or so then \o
Not much for reading are you? I said a torp raven vs. a torp phoon.
Already have near max missile skills, just need min BS 4. 5 days to fly, 5 days to fly well. JUST SHY OF 2 YEARS THERE COWBOY.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:31:00 -
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one shield tank. One armor tank. So different, yet people still try to compare them, it makes my head spin.
Typhoon can have 110K Ehp, but it means nothing when your resists are all rock bottom since you are fitting a gazillion 1600mm's. They can fit 3 neuts/armor reps/energy transfers or any combination of them.
Ravens on the other hand shield tanks. They can fit two neuts. or shield transfers. or energy transfers or a combination of them. Non sniper amarr ships wont be able to kite the raven as their javs reach 45-50km. Also, you can overheat a sixth launcher. Cant do that with Ogre's. You can overheat invuls. Cant do that with 1600's/eanms.
Morale of story is, use raven as a shield tanker. Typhoon as an armor tanker. When you pitch these two against the other, whoever have more ships will win. They are very balanced.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: NoLimit Soldier on 17/09/2010 18:36:54 Edited by: NoLimit Soldier on 17/09/2010 18:36:43
Quote: Typhoon can have 110K Ehp, but it means nothing when your resists are all rock bottom since you are fitting a gazillion 1600mm's.
That is AWESOME. Has no one told you that EHP is HP amount with resists taken into effect? And considering the phoon will out neut the raven, and the raven will have a 0% EM resist (unless rigged), how exactly are these balanced? Toe to Toe the phoon should FACE **** the raven. Even its sig is less than a torp, a raven's isn't.
At the end of the day the typhoon is a better torp boat then the boat that is supposed to fire torps.
The last thing I want is for all ships to be even, but the one that is ONLY supposed to shoot torps shouldn't be outclassed by one that isn't.
Quote: Also, you can overheat a sixth launcher. Cant do that with Ogre's.
That is awesome to. :)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 18/09/2010 01:39:24 No. The typhoon has high EHP from 1600's, but less resistance. This means because low resists means logistics from any ships will apply much less on you then on a raven, since the raven has 5-10% better resists on average.
if you fit 3 ballistics on both ships, 2 resists mods , they will end up with approximately the same EHP, dps, average resists, except one is shield tanked and the other is armor tanked. They have totally different points where they excel at.
Only one ship can be the better "armor tanked torp user" ,and only one can be the better "shield tanked torp user"
the real only time high EHP low resists is good is when you are soloing or you aint have logistics. But dang. Good luck getting any kills with a solo typhoon. You wont see any lone ravens going off hunting stuff, unless they are macro farmers, which any ship should be able to kill anyways.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:13:00 -
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The Range was really crippling to me on the Phoon, Hell my Nuets had more range than my Torps until I got full skills and Javs, That means there is no fighting in Dist range. But the ACS Phoon looks like a Beast im going to try very soon great DMG and way more versatile since you dont need painters. Hell against BC`s you dont really need a Web.
If I ever fought a Phoon in my Raven I would simply burn in opposite Direction and Spew Torps until we got in his range, also instantly I would target his Med/Heavy fdrones and kill em with my Lights. But best of All the Ravens Higer ECM STR means My Med ECM`s Drones will almost assuredly get a Jamm on him during the fight which might tip the battle.
Very close fight but IMO the 2 Heavy Nuets vs the 2 Heavy 1 Med Nuet are basically even since we will both get nueted out very fast.
Comes down to pilot, I personally would be in Raven for simply the range, Its frusterating being at 15km while your target burns away and watching volleys miss, becauase that extra 6km secs he just traveled is to much for them sometimes.
Raven is more forgiving in training but Phoon is very ver yElite even though I`d prefer ACS Nuet Phoon. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:21:00 -
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This thread is about how bad the raven sucks, not how bad the raven sucks compared to the typhoon. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Opertone
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.18 11:09:00 -
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I cross trained to typhoon just because of that. 12 Months ago...
I still suck, minmatar BS 4, ACs spec 4, drones tech 1 large (total 1.5 mill SP), navigation not maxxed.
Trust me, it's a long way before a typhoon may outshine a raven. But you can sure take this path and tell us your own experience.
yes, typhoon is a good jack-of-all trades, bait, booby trap and neuter, but again, who falls for it? Newbs and carebears?
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.09.18 16:35:00 -
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Could some one link their "2 heavy neut" raven? I just don't have the power grid for it, not by a LONG shot. (assuming MWD + tech 2 siege)
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.18 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 18/09/2010 16:38:20
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Could some one link their "2 heavy neut" raven? I just don't have the power grid for it, not by a LONG shot. (assuming MWD + tech 2 siege)
Check page one, there is a Raven fitting using 2 Heavy Neuts!
-- Alara's Law!
As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1 |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.09.18 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 18/09/2010 16:38:20
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Could some one link their "2 heavy neut" raven? I just don't have the power grid for it, not by a LONG shot. (assuming MWD + tech 2 siege)
Check page one, there is a Raven fitting using 2 Heavy Neuts!
No, its a fitting using 2 named energy transfers...
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.18 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 18/09/2010 16:38:20
Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Could some one link their "2 heavy neut" raven? I just don't have the power grid for it, not by a LONG shot. (assuming MWD + tech 2 siege)
Check page one, there is a Raven fitting using 2 Heavy Neuts!
No, its a fitting using 2 named energy transfers...
Eep!
I am dumb.
Yea I dun know why I did that!
-- Alara's Law!
As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1 |
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