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Kensai Assassin
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:59:00 -
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Hey all, Some of you may be familiar with my previous CS vs HAC Post in the W&T forum.
Here is a question.
My brother in law has decided to pvp with me now.
He is going for a Nighthawk shield tanked T2 fit.
I myself have listened to some great tips from my previous post and have taken into deep concideration that we might be faced with a problem with speeddrials (Dramiels).
We have come up with some ideas for the two of us to use specific set ups.
We came ip with these idea's
Nighthawk - Passive shield tanked, 2 webber's 1 Neut Absolution - Armor tanked, 1 webber 1 warp disrupter 1 MWD
Nighthawk - Passive shield tanked, 2 webber's 1 Neut Navy Omen - Same set up as the absolution
Nighthawk - Passive shield tanked, 2 webber's 1 Neut Damnation
The purpose of these setups are for low-sec Faction warfare.
All the set up's will be T2 fitted (Except the webbers and disruptor which will be faction to get an extra edge on the competition
Some of the reasons why we made these specific combos is for:
Combo 1 - Solid dps group, nice mix between sheild and armor, might give an extra bang for the buck vs. Drams and Interceptors (webs webs webs!) and can contend with larger hulls such as cruisers, battlecruisers and MAYBE a battleship.
Combo 2 - since the Absolution PROBABLY will get flammed for not being needed or something random....the Zealot is to much of a sniper so it probably wouldnt work out to well and leave my brother in law in the heat WAY WAY WAY to much....i figured a ship with some tackle and a bit of a punch added in some drones would be a solid support and extra close range fighter. Kind of good to get in fast and focus down a frig but still give me that chance to really do some damage against larger hulls.
Combo 3 - Damntation for pure support.
Additional information:
- There will be a Guardian all the time at these battles (1 of my alts)
- All fits T2 - We will always be grouped up no solo ****
Thanks everyone! Since FW is really broken...i figured i might as well get as much noobishness out of me before I join up Milita and **** up ppl's scores and KM's.
Please don't flame to hard! Atleast I admit to being a carebear noob.....and be careful....1 day...i might catch you down for flaming me to hard
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.22 03:38:00 -
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Absolution needs cap booster, NH doesn't need 2 webs. Fit the NH for buffer and have precision missiles in the cargo bay at all time to deal with frigs. Along with a full compliment of t2 light drones in both. Guardian isn't exactly the best to support the NH nor is it the best solo Logi. Works much better in a dual Guardian configuration with the cap transfer going. Make sure to fit MWDs to both ships though. Also as stated in the other thread, PvP in CHEAP ships first. For example, a Harbinger and a Drake. The Abso and NH don't offer THAT much of a boost over those 2 and they are quite a bit cheaper to fit out. Once you know how to PvP, upgrade to NH/Abso + faction gear. Otherwise, join Caldari/Amarr militia and come play in Heyd. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari Fit the NH for buffer and have precision missiles in the cargo bay at all time to deal with frigs.
With its bonuses, the Nighthawk doesn't need precision missiles. Use faction instead.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:34:00 -
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With a Guardian present wouldn't a Buffer/Active NH be better than a pure buffer? Cap won't be much of an issue with cap transfers.
NH bonus eliminates the need for all those webs. One web, one neut and most Dramiel's will be toast. Might swap one of the webs for a scram to control MWD boats better.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:25:00 -
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OK, you like commandships. Well done. Actually the feeling is mutual. I adore my Sleipnir and if I could find more gangs where it wouldn't just be "oooh shiny, primary that" I'd use it more often. But to be honest in faction warfare field command ships are asking for an expensive lossmail unless you can guarantee tactical superiority over the enemy fleet.
The advantage the sleipnir has over the two CSes you mentioned is agility. You can use it in small gang engagements and still get out when the order to bail is given by your scout after the inevitable counter-blob is spotted.
The main strenth of CSes in faction warfare is the fleet command ships. A damnation, a vulture or a claymore is well worth a squad/wing command spot if you train the ganglinks.
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Night Angelo
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Posted - 2010.09.24 00:50:00 -
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WOW Thank you all so much for the replies!
And they actually were helpful!
Btw this is Kensai's main :)
So I am thinking then to bring a Scimitar instead of the guardian simply because i hear the capacitor transfers are better on that boat then the Guard.
I am thinking that with a NH Absol and Scim gang between 3 ppl....we should be able to handle almost anything that is thrown at us....minus the blob bull****.
we plan on spending 1-2 kills in a system...then jumping systems a few times to loose the blob (hopefully)
Granted that is risky...but yeah the NH and the Abso will both be active tanked (NH shield and Absol Armor...so which is why the Scim would be great for the capacitor and really help the NH out in the shield recharge since it cant use to many mid-slots needed for the E-War)
Thanks all...what do you think of that idea?
cheers!!!
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.24 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Night Angelo WOW Thank you all so much for the replies!
And they actually were helpful!
Btw this is Kensai's main :)
So I am thinking then to bring a Scimitar instead of the guardian simply because i hear the capacitor transfers are better on that boat then the Guard.
I am thinking that with a NH Absol and Scim gang between 3 ppl....we should be able to handle almost anything that is thrown at us....minus the blob bull****.
we plan on spending 1-2 kills in a system...then jumping systems a few times to loose the blob (hopefully)
Granted that is risky...but yeah the NH and the Abso will both be active tanked (NH shield and Absol Armor...so which is why the Scim would be great for the capacitor and really help the NH out in the shield recharge since it cant use to many mid-slots needed for the E-War)
Thanks all...what do you think of that idea?
cheers!!!
Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Admiral Hawke
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.24 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Hawke on 24/09/2010 01:19:27 If you actually use the same hp tank, on your dps boats, you can have the logistics ship repair them both, otherwise you'll probably have troubles "taking on the world." They don't have to shoot the ship that you have RR for. Cap is nice though but meh...Cap inject and use that alt for something else.
So, since you're going to use multiple tanks, the pilot flying the logi would probably be better to have in a cloaky recon for possible tackle and scouting, or even just a probing covert ops. Scouting a small gang around can help you avoid blob action.
You will become a juicy target rolling around low sec with a couple of command ships all on their lonesome.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.09.24 11:30:00 -
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lonely commandship in FW lowsec is like lonely white rich boy with Rolex asking for direction in middle of the Rio slum.
Everybody will know about u in 5 mins. Everybody will try to give u the podexpress direction in 15.
2 CSs are like two white richies with Rolexes ....
Dont fly CSs without proper support gang.
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David Devant
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.24 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Night Angelo WOW Thank you all so much for the replies!
And they actually were helpful!
Btw this is Kensai's main :)
So I am thinking then to bring a Scimitar instead of the guardian simply because i hear the capacitor transfers are better on that boat then the Guard.
Scimis do not transfer cap at all.
Originally by: Night Angelo I am thinking that with a NH Absol and Scim gang between 3 ppl....we should be able to handle almost anything that is thrown at us....minus the blob bull****.
How much dps can your ships tank? How much can your targets put out? If B>A then no.
Originally by: Night Angelo we plan on spending 1-2 kills in a system...then jumping systems a few times to loose the blob (hopefully)
You might kill things. However you will definitely die in a fire when you jump out of system, if you insist on trying this then stick to stations.
Originally by: Night Angelo Granted that is risky...but yeah the NH and the Abso will both be active tanked (NH shield and Absol Armor...so which is why the Scim would be great for the capacitor and really help the NH out in the shield recharge since it cant use to many mid-slots needed for the E-War)
If you have logistics with you need buffer tanks not active tanks. This is why there is no 'good mix' of shield and armor tank.
Basically, my advice is stick huge buffers on both CS and don't leave stations unless you're clear to by a scout. Don't worry too much about tackle, the only stuff you'll be shooting at will be shooting at you first.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.25 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 25/09/2010 02:30:11 Also know that as soon as the enemy militia intel channels get word of 2 lone CS's with minimal RR backing they will go out and kill you with a far larger force, most likely baiting you into a trap. Though much of FW is a ragtag bunch there are a group of corps on each side with shared intel channels that work together alot.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.09.25 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hidden Snake on 25/09/2010 05:30:22 on the honest note ..... u will get ganked and as u have no experience with bc deployment even stations are not save for u. fw is pretty tough nutt sometimes.
i would recommend to take drake + shield harbie + scimi .... and find urself tackler. once u have it train and map ur ground
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Igloo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 25/09/2010 05:30:22
i would recommend to take drake + shield harbie + scimi .... and find urself tackler. once u have it train and map ur ground
It really hurts to agree with Hidden Snake but this is great advice. If you can't get a 4th, go drake/harb/tackle. Two command ships together is going to get you ganked within minutes. That said if you decide to go ahead with your first plan please join the Caldari militia.
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