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Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.25 05:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Florio Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives... To send these types of people into an apoplectic fit, agree that polygamy should be legal, but that of course the rules should apply equally to women. IMO, this is true: if the pesky legal issues with tax rates/inheritance/etc can be made to work with marriages of more than two people, I fail to see why it shouldn't be legal for a group of 2+ people (of any combination of genders) to be married. Or even across multiple groups with only some of the people included in each, though then the legal issues get really complicated. Maybe someone should suggest this to the IRS, I'm sure they'd love to have some extra forms to make everyone fill out... Of course you're right, and we all know that the polygamists would never accept that. After all, the imaginary man in the sky has declared that true marriage is about one man getting all the sex (and household servants) that he wants, not about fairness and equality and possibly loving more than one person at a time. -----------
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 08:57:00 - [32] One woman is enough.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:44:00 - [33] Some people you connect with socially, some sexually. Diversity wins.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T You know next to nothing about both task avoidance or covering your ass... whenever you get asked to purchase something for anybody, you ask them so many questions about WHAT EXACTLY they want you to get them and you ask about various contingencies in case you can't find the stuff they're looking for until they either give up and get it themselves or you actually get what they wanted. Nope, it's better to have them write it down, otherwise they might later pretend they never said it or they said it differently. Also they must agree to the disclaimer that anything not specified is irrelevant :P
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Some people you connect with socially, some sexually. Diversity wins. most only connect socially to connect sexually, then there are those who are kidding themselves. Delenda est achura.
Cikulisuy Amarr D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.09.26 05:19:00 - [36] consenting adults consent to something. the wisest legal precept: no harm, no foul. ~
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Cikulisuy consenting adults consent to something. the wisest legal precept: no harm, no foul. Are you wise enough to determine whether or not harm has been done? Delenda est achura.
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:38:00 - [38] POLYGAMY, n. A house of atonement, or expiatory chapel, fitted with several stools of repentance, as distinguished from monogamy, which has but one.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. Humans also kill humans by nature. Monogamy is a control device set in place to help keep the murder rate down. Delenda est achura.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:38:00 - [41] I practice polyamory (subtly different from polygamy, although polygamy usually at least implies polyamory). I am not ashamed of it. It may sound corny and condescending, but assure you that I am being entirely honest when I say it's not something someone who does not practice it would, or perhaps even could understand. And yes, before you ask, all the partners I have are aware of the fact that they are not exclusive. Call me what you want, but I am at least an honest what-you-want. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. Humans also kill humans by nature. Monogamy is a control device set in place to help keep the murder rate down. Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. Delenda est achura.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. In other words its not working out. Both religious and athiest people kill each other all day long all over the world. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. In other words its not working out. Both religious and athiest people kill each other all day long all over the world. Over resources yes, speculative or withheld such. If you view women as a resource and withhold it too from the greater masses that too will be a catalyst for violence. It's working as intended, it's a feature not a bug. Delenda est achura.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Wendat Huron Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. This only applies to polygamy, but yes, it's a real problem. Just look at the results in fundamentalist Mormon communities where the men who don't get multiple wives get kicked out of the community entirely. If the "elites" in society get many wives as a perk of their position, then it's a perfect recipe for angry and desperate men. Of course it isn't an argument that monogamy is necessary to avoid murder. If you remove the restriction that only (wealthy/powerful) men are allowed to have multiple partners, then the problem goes away. Some men will have multiple wives, some women will have multiple husbands, some people will have relationship groups involving multiple people of each gender, and in the end it all balances out. -----------
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:21:00 - [47] It seems like keeping track of who is your Very Close Relative would become exceedingly difficult in such a polyamory society. Also: I may desire all the hot sexy women in the world, but really one woman is enough to keep me guessing for years to come (Married 10 years, 5 kids). -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Liang Nuren It seems like keeping track of who is your Very Close Relative would become exceedingly difficult in such a polyamory society. Not really. After all, plenty of people are doing it right now and have no problem finding ways to describe multiple relationships of varying degrees of closeness. And even in a society where polyamory was the default, you probably wouldn't have more than a few "real" relationships anyway. Would it really be that hard to keep track of a spouse or two and a friend with benefits? Or to remember to send your wife's girlfriend a birthday card? Besides, even if monogamy was no longer enforced by threats of hell and/or social exile, monogamous relationships wouldn't disappear. Many people just aren't suited (whether due to jealousy, personal beliefs, satisfaction with one partner, whatever) to non-monogamous relationships, and they aren't going to change that preference just because other options are available. Sure, you'd see an increase in polyamory if that enforcement disappeared, but you're hardly going to get to anything that could be called a "polyamory society" in the foreseeable future. -----------
Jhagiti Tyran Invicta.	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Templar Dane Divorcee here. I was only made to go get tampons once, and I came back with the large extra-absorbent ones. My thinking was that I should buy the ones that covered all the bases, because I thought that having too much tampon was better than having ones that weren't...enough. Instead of a "thank you so much for being man enough to walk into a store and buy me feminine products" I got the you-aren't-getting-laid-for-months stare. Geez, no wonder you got divorced j/k... or am I ? You know next to nothing about both task avoidance or covering your ass... whenever you get asked to purchase something for anybody, you ask them so many questions about WHAT EXACTLY they want you to get them and you ask about various contingencies in case you can't find the stuff they're looking for until they either give up and get it themselves or you actually get what they wanted. He shouldn't need to ask your supposed to know things like that, just the same way your supposed to know exactly how they feel all the time.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 24/09/2010 18:22:03 Originally by: Atticus Fynch My question is...WHY? [...] Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die. As long as the second wife also comes with a second husband for a total of 4... or 5.. or 6... or many... as long as the ratio between male to female is not too far away from 50:50... ...the question actually becomes, WHY NOT ? Ideally, you'd have one "sensitive" pair, one "neat freak" pair, one "party-goer" pair... not necessarily actual active pairs, just one of each in the big group (in fact, it's best if they're from separate pairs - so the "sensitive" guy is paired with the "neat freak" and the "party-goer" girls, etc). And it would also help if most of them would be bisexual. Basically it would be a big group of "apartment mates with benefits" At least you are honest about yourself and treat it as a theoretical question. --
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.29 02:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives Nah, that's not the reason people used to have multiple wives, just what people try to use to justify it in this day and age. When everyone was starving and living in filth, and making it to 30 was rare, the guys who had a comfortable amount of food and wealth found themselves very popular with the women. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.29 12:28:00 - [52] Why are you buying into the legal bull** with this in the first place? Its not like anyone is stopping you from living with multiple parteners as is, unless you live in a backwards country that still sotne people that is... And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". ** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.29 13:16:00 - [53] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 29/09/2010 13:22:20 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". **** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? The religious aspect of it may be ridiculus, but the State recognized aspect of marriage is very important. If you do not understand why currently you will see either when your parents gets old or when you get old EDIT: That is unless you understand the importance of power of attorney, living wills, etc., in which case disregard the above statement. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.29 13:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 29/09/2010 13:22:20 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". **** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? The religious aspect of it may be ridiculus, but the State recognized aspect of marriage is very important. If you do not understand why currently you will see either when your parents gets old or when you get old EDIT: That is unless you understand the importance of power of attorney, living wills, etc., in which case disregard the above statement. Slade I might choose to not acknowledge marrige, but I am not stupid ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.29 22:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Why are you buying into the legal bull** with this in the first place? Its not like anyone is stopping you from living with multiple parteners as is, unless you live in a backwards country that still sotne people that is... And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". ** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? Lol. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. No seriously, lol. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.

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