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Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:58:00 - [1] Topic comes from this article: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/23/reality-tv-loves-polygamy.html My question is...WHY? Why would anyone want more than one spouse? What are your feelings on the matter?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:23:00 - [2] Sweet! Now I can disappoint multiple women at once!
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sweet! Now I can disappoint multiple women at once! Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die.
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:57:00 - [4] that's no revolution, we're already doing it. albeit we don't understand what we're doing (despite current revelations, we really do know **** all about ourselves, the more you learn eh) it's nice that we're becoming more aware though. - Desusigs!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.24 16:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. -----------
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 16:40:00 - [6] Edited by: Intense Thinker on 24/09/2010 16:41:51 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sweet! Now I can disappoint multiple women at once! Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die. ^This tbh... already have 1, last thing I need is to double or triple the hell she puts me through Edit: And FYI, the new sexual revolution is all about mudkips Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.09.24 16:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 24/09/2010 17:00:04 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sweet! Now I can disappoint multiple women at once! Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die. It propably doesn't work quite like that. Your time would be split between multiple spouses, so you would not have as much time per person and they would compete for your attention and between themselves to some extent. This might mean they(and you) would want to make the best of the limited time they have with you and self censor most of the usual venom from their interaction with you. You would naturally start favoring the other spouses, if one of them constantly nagged at you. The spouses could also bond and compete with the other spouses, so maintaining their social needs wouldn't fall solely on your shoulders and having multiple intimate social companions might be better for people in general. In many ways the multiple spouses would propably have a more intimate relationship between themselves than with you. And finally, just because you are taught to be monogamous doesn't mean it is best suited for people in reality.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.24 17:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? Actually, thanks to Menstrual Synchrony, you might end up with multiple PMS a single time a month. Dealing with one PMSing women is one thing.... dealing with three is a circle of hell Dante would **** himself at. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 17:22:00 - [9] Also when they decide to divorce you, instead of losing 1/2 of your stuff you'd lose 2/3 or 3/4 Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.24 18:03:00 - [10] Nothing new there. Newsweek needs to go bankrupt already, it is worthless.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.09.24 18:16:00 - [11] Edited by: Akita T on 24/09/2010 18:22:03 Originally by: Atticus Fynch My question is...WHY? [...] Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die. As long as the second wife also comes with a second husband for a total of 4... or 5.. or 6... or many... as long as the ratio between male to female is not too far away from 50:50... ...the question actually becomes, WHY NOT ? Ideally, you'd have one "sensitive" pair, one "neat freak" pair, one "party-goer" pair... not necessarily actual active pairs, just one of each in the big group (in fact, it's best if they're from separate pairs - so the "sensitive" guy is paired with the "neat freak" and the "party-goer" girls, etc). And it would also help if most of them would be bisexual. Basically it would be a big group of "apartment mates with benefits" _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.24 18:35:00 - [12] The thought that any one person is the be all and end all to all of our interpersonal and physical interactions is archaic. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sweet! Now I can disappoint multiple women at once! Now that made my laugh Originally by: Merin Ryskin Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. Well put. The current trend is towards polyamory, as Merin pointed out above. Polygamy is not a beneficial practice for women, whereas polyamory, if delt with in an equal fashion, can benefit all parties. As for the PMS thing, if men would start not allowing women to get away with it then that BS will stop. The reason I say this is that I was raised in a house with 3 women. I had some very serious health issues, the whole time I was dealing with said pain I was the picture of control and comedy. This pain was much more sever then any women can complain about with menstrual cramps, we are talking about an abscess the size of a large grapefruit and as hard as oak in my abdomen. Yes, that time of the month, for women is uncomfortable, but that is no excuse for being a *****. I can also say that my relations with women are not really hindered by this mentality, and it is a mentality that I speak openly about with every woman that starts with me and then tries to put it off with the PMS excuse later when they apologize. I am not a hard ass about it, but when a woman tries to apologize for their attitude I explain to them that they need to learn to control themselves and their pain better. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Caleidascope Nothing new there. Newsweek needs to go bankrupt already, it is worthless. I know, but it's worth a chuckle.
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Slade Trillgon As for the PMS thing, if men would start not allowing women to get away with it then that BS will stop. The reason I say this is that I was raised in a house with 3 women. I had some very serious health issues, the whole time I was dealing with said pain I was the picture of control and comedy. This pain was much more sever then any women can complain about with menstrual cramps, we are talking about an abscess the size of a large grapefruit and as hard as oak in my abdomen. Yes, that time of the month, for women is uncomfortable, but that is no excuse for being a *****. I can also say that my relations with women are not really hindered by this mentality, and it is a mentality that I speak openly about with every woman that starts with me and then tries to put it off with the PMS excuse later when they apologize. I am not a hard ass about it, but when a woman tries to apologize for their attitude I explain to them that they need to learn to control themselves and their pain better. Slade I think you are missing the point here Slade. Your pain may be way more intense, but your abdominal abscess doesn't turn you into a crazy horny love machine on a predictable few days, followed by an irrational unpredictable emotional mess a little while later in the month (and guess which I'm dealing with this weekend ). Having raging hormones that so obviously effect your mental state is something that is hard for men to really comprehend the effects of. I know I didn't really 'buy' it when I was younger.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:26:00 - [15] I believe it is practiced in Saudi Arabia... plenty of suicide bombers come from there, I wonder why?
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.24 21:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I believe it is practiced in Saudi Arabia... plenty of suicide bombers come from there, I wonder why? You may have hit on something there.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.24 21:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I believe it is practiced in Saudi Arabia... plenty of suicide bombers come from there, I wonder why? An illusion of every man having a shot at a woman need to be maintained to avoid rampant ****. You're only a gentleman so long, if denied prospect of ever finding a mate, you don't want to see that scenario unfold. On the topic of no women and violence, check Chinas women to men ratio. Delenda est achura.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I believe it is practiced in Saudi Arabia... plenty of suicide bombers come from there, I wonder why? You may have hit on something there. The few super rich ones hog all the women and leave the others sexually frustrated to a level where they join crazy sects and blow themselves up! It makes perfect sense Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.09.24 22:05:00 - [19] Make sure your women go both ways and problem solved.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.24 22:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 24/09/2010 22:55:56 Originally by: dr doooo I think you are missing the point here Slade. Your pain may be way more intense, but your abdominal abscess doesn't turn you into a crazy horny love machine on a predictable few days, followed by an irrational unpredictable emotional mess a little while later in the month (and guess which I'm dealing with this weekend ). Having raging hormones that so obviously effect your mental state is something that is hard for men to really comprehend the effects of. I know I didn't really 'buy' it when I was younger. Trust me, I do not underestimate the effects, but I also put a lot of weight in the abilities of humans to control themselves during periods of extreme duress. Yes I am a male and I do not know the true feelings/sensations that accompany the menstrual period, but I do expect humans that experience something every month, for a majority of their life, to be able to learn to cope. That being said, I do not hold the occasional 'situations' from women against them during these times, because I know that humans can be complete insensitive asses; but for certain individual women, it is crutch that is used to abuse the situation. Hell most women espouse the 'fact' that they have superior pain thresholds as compared to men because they are the child bearers. Where is that pain control when they are dealing with cramps, bloating, and the changes in their hormane levels? So until a women gets away with murder because she was menstruating I will continue to give less slack to menstrual women then my fellow male compatriots do. Originally by: Intense Thinker The few super rich ones hog all the women and leave the others sexually frustrated to a level where they join crazy sects and blow themselves up! It makes perfect sense You know that is a good point Originally by: Barakkus Make sure your women go both ways and problem solved. We have a winner! Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
lachesis	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:27:00 - [21]
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:39:00 - [22] Edited by: Sturmwolke on 25/09/2010 00:41:44 WHY? Man's viewpoint, the more the merrier. I would like to dream of my own personal harem filled with attractive girls of all sorts. More variety, more spice ... and more of my own offsprings. Female's viewpoint, biology isn't an issue since their offsprings are really from their own DNA (and the male of course). The basics of self-continuation is satisfied for the female. Since traditionally they're not the main bread winner, it makes more sense to live with a male who can provide adequately all their needs .... whether the male already has two or three other females in the house. This behaviour is fairly prevalent in the extreme areas of human habitations and poorer countries. As to the possible question of females thinking like males (i.e. have as many offsprings with different males), there could be a few but probably extremely rare due to the social conditions. There's also possibly some genetic programming/memory that goes into the subconcious that modifies how females think .... aside from the working descriptions on how their brain & thinking works differently from the male. Finally, add the cosmetic layers of customs, religion and culture conditioning that leads to a variety of emotional responses to the term polygamy, there you have it - people asking WHY!!?? ... because they're unable to strip of those layers. Ho hum ... it's nothing new. /minor wording change
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Sturmwolke WHY? Man's viewpoint, the more the merrier. I would like to dream of my own personal harem filled with attractive girls of all sorts. More variety, more spice ... and more of my own offsprings. Female's viewpoint, biology isn't an issue since their offsprings are really from their own DNA (and the male of course). The basics of self-continuation is satisfied for the female. Since traditionally they're not the main bread winner, it makes more sense to live with a male who can provide adequately all their needs .... whether the male already has two or three other females in the house. This custom is fairly prevalent in the extreme areas of human habitations and poorer countries. As to the possible question of females thinking like males (i.e. have as many offsprings with different males), there could be a few but probably extremely rare due to the social conditions. There's also possibly some genetic programming/memory that goes into the subconcious that modifies how females think .... aside from the working descriptions on how their brain & thinking works differently from the male. Finally, add the cosmetic layers of customs, religion and culture conditioning that leads to a variety of emotional responses to the term polygamy, there you have it - people asking WHY!!?? ... because they're unable to strip of those layers. Ho hum ... it's nothing new. Big extra l÷l at you for automatically thinking yourself a man with women, instead of the one without. Delenda est achura.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Wendat Huron Big extra l÷l at you for automatically thinking yourself a man with women, instead of the one without. No pain, no gain
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.25 01:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 25/09/2010 01:15:28 I think two view points have come forth here. One, from the horny young single men that see having multiple girls in one household as a plus (for obvious reasons). Two, from the seasoned, married for many years, older men who see having multiple girls in one household as a complete nightmare. Take it from the experienced guys, playboy magazine is fantasy, not reality. In other words, see how sexy you feel when your wives send you out shopping for tampons because they are out and they feel too ugly to go to the store. The look of pity from the check-out register clerk says it all. ...and god help you if you get the wrong kind or size.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.25 01:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Basically it would be a big group of "apartment mates with benefits" I can see so many ways this would either crash and burn or become awesome. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.09.25 02:57:00 - [27] Edited by: Templar Dane on 25/09/2010 02:58:17 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 25/09/2010 01:15:28 I think two view points have come forth here. One, from the horny young single men that see having multiple girls in one household as a plus (for obvious reasons). Two, from the seasoned, married for many years, older men who see having multiple girls in one household as a complete nightmare. Take it from the experienced guys, playboy magazine is fantasy, not reality. In other words, see how sexy you feel when your wives send you out shopping for tampons because they are out and they feel too ugly to go to the store. The look of pity from the check-out register clerk says it all. ...and god help you if you get the wrong kind or size. Divorcee here. I was only made to go get tampons once, and I came back with the large extra-absorbent ones. My thinking was that I should buy the ones that covered all the bases, because I thought that having too much tampon was better than having ones that weren't...enough. Instead of a "thank you so much for being man enough to walk into a store and buy me feminine products" I got the you-aren't-getting-laid-for-months stare.
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.09.25 04:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives... To send these types of people into an apoplectic fit, agree that polygamy should be legal, but that of course the rules should apply equally to women.
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.09.25 05:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I believe it is practiced in Saudi Arabia... plenty of suicide bombers come from there, I wonder why? they can't get laid because all of the women were taken by the few guys in power so they become very angry and suicidal? zero blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.09.25 05:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Templar Dane Divorcee here. I was only made to go get tampons once, and I came back with the large extra-absorbent ones. My thinking was that I should buy the ones that covered all the bases, because I thought that having too much tampon was better than having ones that weren't...enough. Instead of a "thank you so much for being man enough to walk into a store and buy me feminine products" I got the you-aren't-getting-laid-for-months stare. Geez, no wonder you got divorced j/k... or am I ? You know next to nothing about both task avoidance or covering your ass... whenever you get asked to purchase something for anybody, you ask them so many questions about WHAT EXACTLY they want you to get them and you ask about various contingencies in case you can't find the stuff they're looking for until they either give up and get it themselves or you actually get what they wanted. That works the same for anything anybody ever asks you to do. Unless you are absolutely 100% certain of what you need to do, you refuse to do anything before you cover all possible bases so in case you do something wrong (and they didn't cover it) it's "not your fault". Bonus points for asking the really pointless (and/or potentially embarrassing) questions first, so they would just give up earlier and tell you "just get whatever you find". Then, might also want to do it (a little) wrong intentionally while precisely following ALL of their instructions so far. Just so they won't ask you to do it again, while still feeling they were at fault (at least partially). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.25 05:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Florio Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives... To send these types of people into an apoplectic fit, agree that polygamy should be legal, but that of course the rules should apply equally to women. IMO, this is true: if the pesky legal issues with tax rates/inheritance/etc can be made to work with marriages of more than two people, I fail to see why it shouldn't be legal for a group of 2+ people (of any combination of genders) to be married. Or even across multiple groups with only some of the people included in each, though then the legal issues get really complicated. Maybe someone should suggest this to the IRS, I'm sure they'd love to have some extra forms to make everyone fill out... Of course you're right, and we all know that the polygamists would never accept that. After all, the imaginary man in the sky has declared that true marriage is about one man getting all the sex (and household servants) that he wants, not about fairness and equality and possibly loving more than one person at a time. -----------
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 08:57:00 - [32] One woman is enough.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:44:00 - [33] Some people you connect with socially, some sexually. Diversity wins.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T You know next to nothing about both task avoidance or covering your ass... whenever you get asked to purchase something for anybody, you ask them so many questions about WHAT EXACTLY they want you to get them and you ask about various contingencies in case you can't find the stuff they're looking for until they either give up and get it themselves or you actually get what they wanted. Nope, it's better to have them write it down, otherwise they might later pretend they never said it or they said it differently. Also they must agree to the disclaimer that anything not specified is irrelevant :P
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Some people you connect with socially, some sexually. Diversity wins. most only connect socially to connect sexually, then there are those who are kidding themselves. Delenda est achura.
Cikulisuy Amarr D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.09.26 05:19:00 - [36] consenting adults consent to something. the wisest legal precept: no harm, no foul. ~
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Cikulisuy consenting adults consent to something. the wisest legal precept: no harm, no foul. Are you wise enough to determine whether or not harm has been done? Delenda est achura.
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:38:00 - [38] POLYGAMY, n. A house of atonement, or expiatory chapel, fitted with several stools of repentance, as distinguished from monogamy, which has but one.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. Humans also kill humans by nature. Monogamy is a control device set in place to help keep the murder rate down. Delenda est achura.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:38:00 - [41] I practice polyamory (subtly different from polygamy, although polygamy usually at least implies polyamory). I am not ashamed of it. It may sound corny and condescending, but assure you that I am being entirely honest when I say it's not something someone who does not practice it would, or perhaps even could understand. And yes, before you ask, all the partners I have are aware of the fact that they are not exclusive. Call me what you want, but I am at least an honest what-you-want. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Atticus Fynch Why would anyone want more than one spouse? Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to not have multiple wives, and questioning your imaginary friend is a good way to earn yourself eternal torture? This of course has nothing at all to do with those in power wishing to have sex with multiple women and have it "approved", it's all a sacred burden and clearly does not benefit the man in any way. Just like it is entirely reasonable that only the men get this privilege, because, uh, god said so! Or perhaps you feel that monogamy is a result of social and biological pressures that are not relevant to your life (after all, I doubt any of us have to worry about ensuring a proper heir for our kingdom), and that love is not a zero-sum game (just like nobody feels that they can only have one friend, or one favorite band). Therefore why NOT have relationships involving multiple people (of either gender) if one or both people happen to find someone else that is a good fit? Of course these people tend to prefer the term "polyamory" to distance themselves from the polygamists who don't exactly share the same ideals of fairness and equality. FIXED Humans are not single mate creatures by nature. Anything that changes that is a control device, period. Humans also kill humans by nature. Monogamy is a control device set in place to help keep the murder rate down. Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. Delenda est achura.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. In other words its not working out. Both religious and athiest people kill each other all day long all over the world. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Cipher Jones ...Hows that workin out for ya? According to the bible the original murder rate is 25%. And that had nothing to do with monogamy or pologamy, just jealousy. The bible is an arcane text with little to no application in the real world. Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. In other words its not working out. Both religious and athiest people kill each other all day long all over the world. Over resources yes, speculative or withheld such. If you view women as a resource and withhold it too from the greater masses that too will be a catalyst for violence. It's working as intended, it's a feature not a bug. Delenda est achura.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Wendat Huron Why is it you don't see me murdering you if you hog all the women? I'm not held in place by promises of an afterlife full of virgins. I know that you have the women and by removing you I may have them or at least deny you. Either way there will be violence. This only applies to polygamy, but yes, it's a real problem. Just look at the results in fundamentalist Mormon communities where the men who don't get multiple wives get kicked out of the community entirely. If the "elites" in society get many wives as a perk of their position, then it's a perfect recipe for angry and desperate men. Of course it isn't an argument that monogamy is necessary to avoid murder. If you remove the restriction that only (wealthy/powerful) men are allowed to have multiple partners, then the problem goes away. Some men will have multiple wives, some women will have multiple husbands, some people will have relationship groups involving multiple people of each gender, and in the end it all balances out. -----------
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:21:00 - [47] It seems like keeping track of who is your Very Close Relative would become exceedingly difficult in such a polyamory society. Also: I may desire all the hot sexy women in the world, but really one woman is enough to keep me guessing for years to come (Married 10 years, 5 kids). -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Liang Nuren It seems like keeping track of who is your Very Close Relative would become exceedingly difficult in such a polyamory society. Not really. After all, plenty of people are doing it right now and have no problem finding ways to describe multiple relationships of varying degrees of closeness. And even in a society where polyamory was the default, you probably wouldn't have more than a few "real" relationships anyway. Would it really be that hard to keep track of a spouse or two and a friend with benefits? Or to remember to send your wife's girlfriend a birthday card? Besides, even if monogamy was no longer enforced by threats of hell and/or social exile, monogamous relationships wouldn't disappear. Many people just aren't suited (whether due to jealousy, personal beliefs, satisfaction with one partner, whatever) to non-monogamous relationships, and they aren't going to change that preference just because other options are available. Sure, you'd see an increase in polyamory if that enforcement disappeared, but you're hardly going to get to anything that could be called a "polyamory society" in the foreseeable future. -----------
Jhagiti Tyran Invicta.	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Templar Dane Divorcee here. I was only made to go get tampons once, and I came back with the large extra-absorbent ones. My thinking was that I should buy the ones that covered all the bases, because I thought that having too much tampon was better than having ones that weren't...enough. Instead of a "thank you so much for being man enough to walk into a store and buy me feminine products" I got the you-aren't-getting-laid-for-months stare. Geez, no wonder you got divorced j/k... or am I ? You know next to nothing about both task avoidance or covering your ass... whenever you get asked to purchase something for anybody, you ask them so many questions about WHAT EXACTLY they want you to get them and you ask about various contingencies in case you can't find the stuff they're looking for until they either give up and get it themselves or you actually get what they wanted. He shouldn't need to ask your supposed to know things like that, just the same way your supposed to know exactly how they feel all the time.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 24/09/2010 18:22:03 Originally by: Atticus Fynch My question is...WHY? [...] Twice..even three times the nagging? Dealing with PMS multiple times a month? OMG..I would die. As long as the second wife also comes with a second husband for a total of 4... or 5.. or 6... or many... as long as the ratio between male to female is not too far away from 50:50... ...the question actually becomes, WHY NOT ? Ideally, you'd have one "sensitive" pair, one "neat freak" pair, one "party-goer" pair... not necessarily actual active pairs, just one of each in the big group (in fact, it's best if they're from separate pairs - so the "sensitive" guy is paired with the "neat freak" and the "party-goer" girls, etc). And it would also help if most of them would be bisexual. Basically it would be a big group of "apartment mates with benefits" At least you are honest about yourself and treat it as a theoretical question. --
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.29 02:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Because you're a religious nut who thinks that an imaginary man in the sky has commanded you to have multiple wives Nah, that's not the reason people used to have multiple wives, just what people try to use to justify it in this day and age. When everyone was starving and living in filth, and making it to 30 was rare, the guys who had a comfortable amount of food and wealth found themselves very popular with the women. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.29 12:28:00 - [52] Why are you buying into the legal bull** with this in the first place? Its not like anyone is stopping you from living with multiple parteners as is, unless you live in a backwards country that still sotne people that is... And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". ** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.29 13:16:00 - [53] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 29/09/2010 13:22:20 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". **** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? The religious aspect of it may be ridiculus, but the State recognized aspect of marriage is very important. If you do not understand why currently you will see either when your parents gets old or when you get old EDIT: That is unless you understand the importance of power of attorney, living wills, etc., in which case disregard the above statement. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.29 13:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 29/09/2010 13:22:20 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". **** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? The religious aspect of it may be ridiculus, but the State recognized aspect of marriage is very important. If you do not understand why currently you will see either when your parents gets old or when you get old EDIT: That is unless you understand the importance of power of attorney, living wills, etc., in which case disregard the above statement. Slade I might choose to not acknowledge marrige, but I am not stupid ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.29 22:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Why are you buying into the legal bull** with this in the first place? Its not like anyone is stopping you from living with multiple parteners as is, unless you live in a backwards country that still sotne people that is... And in regards to marrige, its a stupid "ritual" that has outlived its usefulness (as a control device by religions). I for one will never marry, why should I? I can happily live with a partner without any "goverment/religious approval". ** that. I will do as I see fit. Me living wiht a partner is something personal, not any business of any "leagal institutions". If one day I have multiple partners, then so be it, who cares? Lol. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. No seriously, lol. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.

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